Yes, go to the LDS Family History Centre nearest you, and check the records of civil births - Ireland for the years concerned. First go to www.seanruad.com and get a list of the "PLU's" for Co.Cork, take a copy of those with you., then at the LDS check first the index of births for 1906-1907, the Film# is 0101071 - focus on the PLU's (Reg. Dists) of the list you have with you. The entries are alphabetical by surname in a quarterly reported manner. When you find him, note the Year, the Page and Volume number (it will be either a 4 or a 5) and the Reg. Dist. , then get the LDS to bring in the required full detail film, when they do go to the page number and they will copy it for you a nominal charge. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Smith" <lindasfamily@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: Nellie SULLIVAN > Hello List, > My name is Linda and I live in Hampshire, England. I have experience in > genealogy but not Irish roots! > I'm helping my friend and her mother (neither of whom have computers) to > try > and trace their Irish roots. > All the information we have is as follows: > > Nellie SULLIVAN was born in County Cork about 1906/1907 > She came to England at some point and married Frederick Walter BROWN on > 4th > June 1932 at St. Mary of the Angels, Crescent Road, Worthing, West Sussex. > Her father's name is given as John SULLIVAN, a farm labourer - he was > deceased at the time of her marriage. > > The only other family member known about is Michael SULLIVAN who was > Nellie's brother - no other information is known about him. > > Nellie and Frederick had one child - a daughter Eileen born in 1932 ( my > friends mum) who was born in Worthing, West Sussex. > > Can anyone help/advise me with any of this please - they have never known > any of the SULLIVAN family! > > Many thanks. > Linda e quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Vincent, Can I ask who actually did the search for you? Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "VINCENT IMBRIANI"

Looking for any information on the FARRELL family, who may have been from Cork. My ggrandfather was Thomas A. Farrell born about 1859. His parents were William FARRELL and Anna GREEN. any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mamie

Would there be an y referance to the PIM family please. Cheers, Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kae Lewis" <kae@chartertn.net> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:37 AM Subject: Re Becher, Leslie and Hedge schools >I have acquired two books lately, both of which have numerous > references to the Becher family. These are: > > Protestant Society and Politics in Cork 1812 - 1844 by Ian d'Alton 1980 > > Old World Colony Cork and South Munster 1630 - 1830 by David Dickson > 2005 > > Both published by the Cork University Press. > > In the later book, the name is spelt Beecher. > > Someone was asking about the Leslie family the other day. The > Dickson book has a reference in the index to Charles Leslie and > another to Leslie's Bank. Rev Charles Leslie is mentioned in the > D'Alton book too. > > Also a reference to Hedge schools in the Dickson book where it says, > "The evidence for schooling in the Catholic Diocese of Cloyne is > particularly rich: Bishop McKenna found 117 informal schools > operating at the time of his 1775 visitation. These were 'hedge > schools' in the sense that they were outside the strict terms of the > law, that the master charged a fee and that they often moved > location. The teacher usually operated with the direct patronage of > the parish priest and included catechesis in the basic syllabus but > some teachers were it seems a law unto themselves...." There is much > more about the rapid development of RC schools from then on. > > Kae > > > > On Sep 25, 2006, at 9:39 PM, irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >>> I am still hoping that I can find someone with information about the >> Becher family in Ireland. I am seeking in particular baptism >> records of >> the children of the marriage of Lionel Becher of Sherkin b 1686 d >> 1772 and >> Catherine Dunscombe. Many thanks. Eileen. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am in touch with a member of BECHER family . We are both researching same also Baldwin. My website is www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com. It contains much info on connections to BECHER.. I will pass on your email to friend. Lorraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eilfran" <eilfran@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: Becher, Dunscombe > I am still hoping that I can find someone with information about the Becher family in Ireland. I am seeking in particular baptism records of the children of the marriage of Lionel Becher of Sherkin b 1686 d 1772 and Catherine Dunscombe. Many thanks. Eileen. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have acquired two books lately, both of which have numerous references to the Becher family. These are: Protestant Society and Politics in Cork 1812 - 1844 by Ian d'Alton 1980 Old World Colony Cork and South Munster 1630 - 1830 by David Dickson 2005 Both published by the Cork University Press. In the later book, the name is spelt Beecher. Someone was asking about the Leslie family the other day. The Dickson book has a reference in the index to Charles Leslie and another to Leslie's Bank. Rev Charles Leslie is mentioned in the D'Alton book too. Also a reference to Hedge schools in the Dickson book where it says, "The evidence for schooling in the Catholic Diocese of Cloyne is particularly rich: Bishop McKenna found 117 informal schools operating at the time of his 1775 visitation. These were 'hedge schools' in the sense that they were outside the strict terms of the law, that the master charged a fee and that they often moved location. The teacher usually operated with the direct patronage of the parish priest and included catechesis in the basic syllabus but some teachers were it seems a law unto themselves...." There is much more about the rapid development of RC schools from then on. Kae On Sep 25, 2006, at 9:39 PM, irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> I am still hoping that I can find someone with information about the > Becher family in Ireland. I am seeking in particular baptism > records of > the children of the marriage of Lionel Becher of Sherkin b 1686 d > 1772 and > Catherine Dunscombe. Many thanks. Eileen.

Another excellent book about the famine is "Paddy's Lament," by Thomas Gallagher. About the textbook conversation, it might also be productive to call various textbook publishers--or probably more important, the authors of those textbooks, whose names are on the books. In the U.S., they, or people working under their name, have direct influence over what should be kept in a textbook and what should be deleted. The authors have guidelines to follow (influenced by school districts, with, I believe, the states of Texas and California having a lot to say about the content since they're so big), but a decision as to whether to cut a story about the Irish famine down from two pages to half a page, for instance, could be within the discretion of the authors. I don't have any history textbooks at hand, so I can't point to the right publishers to contact, but someone on the list might have access to history textbooks. The following page has some information about history textbooks: http://www.historytextbooks.org/adoptions.htm And you might find the following abstract interesting: http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/(hfozkc45u51s2j55qef2gzms)/app/home/co ntribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,6,10;journal,18,27;linkingpublic ationresults,1:104595,1#search=%22%22history%20textbooks%22%20%22Irish%20fam ine%22%22 On 9/25/06 7:49 PM, "MARY THOMAS" <coloknight@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Jill, > I did as you suggested and they couldn't answer the question. They > "assumed" that the "famine thing" was covered as well as any other historical > event. I asked them to check the history book the schools were using and said > I'd call them back in an hour. I can only imagine the names they called me. > :-) Anyway, when I called back, I learned that the "facts about the famine" > filled less than half a column on half a page. > > I probably earned myself a few more names when I asked why, when the Irish > who came to America did more than any other race to build the country, was > their no Irish History Week. Yes, I was a little politically incorrect and > brought up Black History Month. My timing was pretty darn good though. In > Muskegon we have an Irish music festival during the month of September. It > just finished and there were thousands there over the three day event. > > Jill Morrison <edencurra@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > So this is the challenge to you......contact your Board of Education and > just question them.Now that I brought this to your attention, If you don't do > it.....who will? Maybe you will be more enticed after reading Frank's book > suggestion. > > > > Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I realize this is the CORK list but I would like to share. I had a search done in Leitrim for McNulty. They gave me info about my ggrandfather's family back to 1837. The date recorded was the date of baptismal which they said was a few days after birth. The second child was named Francis who died. My ggrandfather was named Francis and the 6th child. He had a brother Patrick who was not recorded. My ggrandfather had a brother who stayed in Leitrim, married, had children and died there. On a trip to Ireland I visited the home that he had. It was very small and was listed in the Griffiths. Also found articles about the family in the paper that said his wife had been arrested. I felt no shame for this. I also have in this family an Irish washerwoman who was my ggrandmother. I am very proud of this heritage and grateful for all of those wonderful genes that they have passed to me. I am also researching Callahan in Cork and just wish it were as easy to do as Leitrim. I realize Cork is much larger and Callahan -Daly are common names. Cathryn

Hi Jill, I did as you suggested and they couldn't answer the question. They "assumed" that the "famine thing" was covered as well as any other historical event. I asked them to check the history book the schools were using and said I'd call them back in an hour. I can only imagine the names they called me. :-) Anyway, when I called back, I learned that the "facts about the famine" filled less than half a column on half a page. I probably earned myself a few more names when I asked why, when the Irish who came to America did more than any other race to build the country, was their no Irish History Week. Yes, I was a little politically incorrect and brought up Black History Month. My timing was pretty darn good though. In Muskegon we have an Irish music festival during the month of September. It just finished and there were thousands there over the three day event. Jill Morrison <edencurra@sbcglobal.net> wrote: So this is the challenge to you......contact your Board of Education and just question them.Now that I brought this to your attention, If you don't do it.....who will? Maybe you will be more enticed after reading Frank's book suggestion. Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Thank you, David. I'll check it out. David Collins <dfc.jr@earthlink.net> wrote: Hi Mary, Let me recommend another Famine book for your collection. Most people interested in the story of the Famine consider The Great Hunger by Cecil Woodham-Smith to be the best and most objective study of the subject. As an English woman, Smith is anything but pro-British. Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Hi Mary, Let me recommend another Famine book for your collection. Most people interested in the story of the Famine consider The Great Hunger by Cecil Woodham-Smith to be the best and most objective study of the subject. As an English woman, Smith is anything but pro-British. Happy reading, David Collins Hudson, MA, USA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote 4. [Cork] Irish Birth dates > Hedgerow schools>British oppression. (MARY THOMAS) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Cork] Irish Birth dates > Hedgerow schools>British oppression. > From: > MARY THOMAS <coloknight@verizon.net> > Date: > Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT) > To: > Cork List <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > > > Last night, I happened across a program called Moments in Time that > covers different historical events. This one happened to be the Irish > Famine and I wish I'd seen all of it. Out of ignorance, I always > thought the Irish left to escape the famine. I had no idea that they > were actually forced out in many cases. I didn't know about the deadly > marches from the rural areas to the ports and I didn't know that the > British yanked the Irish out of their homes, destroying the house so > that they couldn't return to it. I knew about workhouses but not that > they were, for all intents and purposes, a means to work the Irish > like slaves in exchange for watery soup. I didn't know about the > pestilance and disease that workhouses fostered and how many Irish > men, women, and children died there. When I learned that a million had > died and another million had been forced by the need to survive to > seek a new life away from Ireland, it gave me a whole new view of my > ancestors. > > I'd been wondering why only the two brothers came to the States. Now I know that it's possible they were the only survivors of their family. I've always been proud of my Irish heritage but never as much as I feel now. Those two brothers created a legacy that they probably never realized they had...pride in their courage, pride in their strength, pride in the fact that I carry their name, pride in knowing that I...and the rest of you on this list...are making certain that they won't be forgotten. > > Okay. Sunday sermon's over. Just had to put it out there. > > Chris > 2nd great granddaughter of Patrick Sullivan > 2nd great grandniece of Jeremiah Sullivan > > > >

I am still hoping that I can find someone with information about the Becher family in Ireland. I am seeking in particular baptism records of the children of the marriage of Lionel Becher of Sherkin b 1686 d 1772 and Catherine Dunscombe. Many thanks. Eileen.

This may be a bit off base for this site but I feel it is important and needs further looking into. First, I would like to thank Frank for the recommendation of "Famine In Muskerry." I am also planning to purchase it even though I have read much about it, in general, not just pertaining to Cork. Second, I would like to inform the USA readers of this site to look in their State Board of Education agenda to see what is written on the teaching of the "Great Famine" in our school systems. I can only refer to the State of CT. but it was approved May 14, 1997 that the "Holocaust education and awareness and the HISTORICAL EVENTS SURROUNDING THE GREAT FAMINE IN IRELAND" be included in our education. Each year I usually take a personal "goal". Last year it was to help start Irish History Class' and Irish Language Class (open to the public). Both were successful and still ongoing. This year it is to have the CT. State Board of Education explain exactly what is included in this act. It is VERY vague as it is stated in the CT public act. How many hours, what is included, is it taught by persons qualified to teach this subject (or by a teacher who has no interest but to do what is required). I plan to pursue this come January and if I get unsatisfactory answers.....heaven help them. LOL. Then there's no end to me. So....for those of you who are interested....it's just a phone call/email away to see if your state has something similar, and to what extent. I believe that the devastation of Ireland and truth needs to be brought forth. We know more about how many pubs are on each corner in Ireland then we do on the destruction of the Irish people during the Famine years. SAD! PLEASE do not take what I am about to say wrong. The Jewish Holocaust was very well produced in the movie for education and TRUTH of what happened (thank you S.S). We read about it quite frequently in newspapers, articles, TV and many other ways. SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE IRISH FAMINE. Didn't Ireland experience their own holocaust (dictionary-holocaust-a mass slaughter of people). Wouldn't it be grand if someone produced the Irish Famine half as well. So this is the challenge to you......contact your Board of Education and just question them.Now that I brought this to your attention, If you don't do it.....who will? Maybe you will be more enticed after reading Frank's book suggestion. MARY THOMAS <coloknight@verizon.net> wrote: Last night, I happened across a program called Moments in Time that covers different historical events. This one happened to be the Irish Famine and I wish I'd seen all of it. Out of ignorance, I always thought the Irish left to escape the famine. I had no idea that they were actually forced out in many cases. I didn't know about the deadly marches from the rural areas to the ports and I didn't know that the British yanked the Irish out of their homes, destroying the house so that they couldn't return to it. I knew about workhouses but not that they were, for all intents and purposes, a means to work the Irish like slaves in exchange for watery soup. I didn't know about the pestilance and disease that workhouses fostered and how many Irish men, women, and children died there. When I learned that a million had died and another million had been forced by the need to survive to seek a new life away from Ireland, it gave me a whole new view of my ancestors. I'd been wondering why only the two brothers came to the States. Now I know that it's possible they were the only survivors of their family. I've always been proud of my Irish heritage but never as much as I feel now. Those two brothers created a legacy that they probably never realized they had...pride in their courage, pride in their strength, pride in the fact that I carry their name, pride in knowing that I...and the rest of you on this list...are making certain that they won't be forgotten. Okay. Sunday sermon's over. Just had to put it out there. Chris 2nd great granddaughter of Patrick Sullivan 2nd great grandniece of Jeremiah Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barb, I am SO glad you discuss this litteracy issue of our Irish ancestors. Let me add, that sometimes the censuses or civil registrations recorded that a person could not read or write, and I suspect that might mean the Irish person could not read or write ENGLISH, but may well have done well in GAELIC, which didn't count. Enumerators and registrars might collect Xs, for signatures, but I have found UK records that my family could not write and the next year in USA, they wrote in beautiful handwriting from America or Wales. The learning in bush schools or families had continued, under the table. And, the first thing my families did in America was take back their O in O'Connor! And you can feel the excitement in 1920 when all my Irish families registered as from the Irish Free State! Regards, Candi in California http://www.corbinconnections.com/

Thanks L and Kevin for these replies; much appreciated. I don't mind a history lesson as I'm always delighted to learn any snippet I can about Irish history and I especially like to hear what Irish people have to say about their own country and people. I was mainly wondering if the word "foster" could have had a different meaning in the late 1700's. I have seen wills where a "godchild" turned out to be a grandchild, and a "nephew" was actually a cousin and very often "brother" for brother-in-law. Maybe "foster" in this case could have meant something like a child who grew up on the property and by the time the two men were middled aged they had become very close and trusting friends. Guess I'll never really know. Thanks again for your ideas, all of which I have considered. Judie, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin " <kevinmcc59@eircom.net> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: RE: Foster Brother. > Perhaps its just a case that he wasn't too keen on him.he could of been a > drunkard or gambler and he knew whatever he left it would be wasted. > As for our Irish history lesson in our "centuries old tradition of > fostering children"I think we can lose the run of ourselves..... "warring > factions?" Are we talking 1800 Ireland or the 1400's? regards,Kevin. Co > Cork. > >> >> Fostering of children is a centuries old Irish tradition. Sometimes >> children >> were fostered by the parents' siblings or near cousins, while other times >> they were fostered by known 'enemies', almost as hostages to assure some >> degree of peace between warring factions. Just as with fostering >> relationships today, some foster siblings would have been very close and >> treated as true brothers and sisters while others would have been barely >> tolerated, with every possible variation between the two extremes. >> >> Rather than comparing John Finn to the widow and children, my suggestion >> would be to compare him to James' birth brothers and sisters. If John was >> mentioned and known birth siblings were not, or if the birth siblings >> fared >> worse than John then it's probably safe to conclude that John and James >> were >> fairly close. >> >> L >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Judie >> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:04 PM >> To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Foster Brother. >> >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I have a will written by James Thornhill in 1796 wherein he leaves a sum >> of >> money to his "foster brother," John Finn. It was a small amount, >> equivalent >> to that bequeathed to his staff and much less than the legacies left to >> his >> wife and children. It seems to me that John was not a brother in the way >> that a foster brother would be today - if this were the case I feel that >> he'd have fared better in the will. >> >> Is anyone able to enlighten me as to the probable relationship between >> James >> Thornhill and John Finn, in Cork, in the late 18th century? >> >> Judie Morris, >> Victoria, Australia. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > www.ancestralservices.co.uk > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property > Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 22/09/2006 >

If anyone would like to read an excellent book on the famine in Muskerry (mid -Cork) I can recommend Famine in Muskerry by Maire Mac Suibne 1997 published by Litho press Midleton, Co Cork. Regards,Kevin. > > Last night, I happened across a program called Moments in Time that covers different historical events. This one happened to be the Irish Famine and I wish I'd seen all of it. Out of ignorance, I always thought the Irish left to escape the famine. I had no idea that they were actually forced out in many cases. I didn't know about the deadly marches from the rural areas to the ports and I didn't know that the British yanked the Irish out of their homes, destroying the house so that they couldn't return to it. I knew about workhouses but not that they were, for all intents and purposes, a means to work the Irish like slaves in exchange for watery soup. I didn't know about the pestilance and disease that workhouses fostered and how many Irish men, women, and children died there. When I learned that a million had died and another million had been forced by the need to survive to seek a new life away from Ireland, it gave me a whole new view of my ancestors. > > I'd been wondering why only the two brothers came to the States. Now I know that it's possible they were the only survivors of their family. I've always been proud of my Irish heritage but never as much as I feel now. Those two brothers created a legacy that they probably never realized they had...pride in their courage, pride in their strength, pride in the fact that I carry their name, pride in knowing that I...and the rest of you on this list...are making certain that they won't be forgotten. > > Okay. Sunday sermon's over. Just had to put it out there. > > Chris > 2nd great granddaughter of Patrick Sullivan > 2nd great grandniece of Jeremiah Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > www.ancestralservices.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Kevin has made the first mention I have seen of hedgerow schools. I visited Cork and Waterford when I began my family history research and someone mentioned that the Irish (oppressed by the British) were denied a formal education (hence their illiteracy, no doubt) and that teachers would travel from village to village, usually on a bicycle, and teach the children "secretly" - i.e. behind hedgerows! We should not forget this era in Irish history. Irish people are and were resourceful and would take whatever steps were necessary to achieve their ends. My ancestor, for example, was pressed into the British navy from Youghal in 1803 (to fight Napoleon) and one would assume, at the age of 18, he would have receive little basic education, but he obviously resolved to make the best of a bad deal and educated himself within the naval environment and elevated himself to the rank of Master (I believe the highest rank available to a rating, as opposed to an officer). He subsequently earned himself a place in history by being the first human being to actually sight and chart a part of the, until then, elusive southern continent! Note the Bransfield Strait, Bransfield Island and Mount Bransfield on the map of Antarctica! Does anyone have any more information about hedgerow schools? My ancestor (1785-1852) would probably have received his basic education in this way. Sheila Bransfield MA FRGS Kent, UK

I was able to buy Hanging Gale at Borders..........a very good film. Kevin

For those interested in the plight of the Irish during the famine you may like to try to see the BBC drama called 'The Hanging Gale' starring the four brothers Joe, Mark, Paul and Stephen McGann who "star in a drama about the Great Famine inspired by their search for their Irish roots. Donegal 1846: the 4 upstanding sons of the Phelan family - two farmers, a school teacher and a priest - are torn between nonviolent protest and bloody revolt when the injustices of the landholding system and the onset of the potato blight combine to devastate their community." The series (2 DVDs in four parts) includes very moving scenes of the potato blight, forced evictions, burning of cottages, forced labor on the roads and forced marches in the depths of winter for half starved men women and children. When they filmed it in Donegal they advertised for large numbers of extras for the crowd scenes, the criteria being that they had to be thin. They sent them all out to a mountain top bare-footed and wet in the middle of winter to make a road. It was very realistic. The DVD is available at the BBC shop online in USA and probably UK as well. (Just google BBC) It illustrates how family research stories such as some listers have shared with us can be turned into very moving drama. It is interesting that there is a large family of Falins in USA, probably descended from this same Phelan family of Donegal.

These anecdotes are well known facts to us, Irish - but for general information they need to be re-told, and re-told, especially in our schools - and not just during St. Patrick's week celebrations - to the present-day children of the great unpublicised Diaspora. Carry on! ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Wilkinson" <delamary@rogers.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [Cork] Irish Birth dates > Hedgerow schools>British oppression. > Thanks for recommending this book Chris. I've just returned from a month > in > Ireland, and learned what happened to my ancestors from Co. Clare. They > never talked about it, out of shame and because it hurt too much. I think > their story needs to be told, so that is what I am beginning to do. Their > absentee landlord ordered his agent to "tumble in" all of the houses in > their village and turn them out in late March 1847. This was because the > potato blight in 1845 and 1846 meant they were literally starving and > could > not afford to pay the rent. As a group they walked to Killaloe where the > priest blessed them and gave them the little help he could, then they > walked > to the pier head in Killaloe and got friends with boats to take them to > Limerick City. Those who were strong enough helped to row. There they > were > taken by fishing boats to Cobh Harbour in Cork where they bought passage > on > the first ship going west. The unscrupulous captain overburdened the > boat, > did not lay in supplies of bread sufficient for the number of passengers, > and the water he provided was foul and inadequate also. The passage was > 63 > days instead of the average 31 days. 40% of the passengers died at sea, > and > many more at Grosse Isle Quarantine Station and on the inland journey to > Ontario. My great-great grandparents had 6 children under 8. Twin > daughters > age 6 and a 2 year old son did not survive to see their destination. > Timothy is buried at Grosse Isle, one of the twins at Kingston, and > another > God alone knows where, perhaps at sea. Within 9 years the father and 9 > children were dead and buried. Eviction was a death sentence in many > cases. > It seems to me a clear and cruel case of Genocide, nothing less! How > terrible it must have been to be starving and at the same time to see > boatloads of food loaded under armed guard to go to England. I have > English, Scottish and Irish ancestors. I know my English ancestors being > ordinary folk did not make the governmental policies of that terrible > time, > but it has soured me to that part of my heritage! Mary Wilkinson, > Ontario, > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of kevin > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:49 PM > To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cork] Irish Birth dates > Hedgerow schools>British > oppression. > > > If anyone would like to read an excellent book on the famine in Muskerry > (mid -Cork) I can recommend Famine in Muskerry by Maire Mac Suibne 1997 > published by Litho press Midleton, Co Cork. Regards,Kevin. > >> >> Last night, I happened across a program called Moments in Time that >> covers > different historical events. This one happened to be the Irish Famine and > I > wish I'd seen all of it. Out of ignorance, I always thought the Irish > left > to escape the famine. I had no idea that they were actually forced out in > many cases. I didn't know about the deadly marches from the rural areas > to > the ports and I didn't know that the British yanked the Irish out of their > homes, destroying the house so that they couldn't return to it. I knew > about workhouses but not that they were, for all intents and purposes, a > means to work the Irish like slaves in exchange for watery soup. I didn't > know about the pestilance and disease that workhouses fostered and how > many > Irish men, women, and children died there. When I learned that a million > had died and another million had been forced by the need to survive to > seek > a new life away from Ireland, it gave me a whole new view of my ancestors. >> >> I'd been wondering why only the two brothers came to the States. Now I > know that it's possible they were the only survivors of their family. > I've > always been proud of my Irish heritage but never as much as I feel now. > Those two brothers created a legacy that they probably never realized they > had...pride in their courage, pride in their strength, pride in the fact > that I carry their name, pride in knowing that I...and the rest of you on > this list...are making certain that they won't be forgotten. >> >> Okay. Sunday sermon's over. Just had to put it out there. >> >> Chris