Lorraine Thank you for your interest. Our Pyne's came from Baltydaniel in the Doneraile parish. The earliest I have on our Pyne's is a John Pyne who married Anna Roche in Castletownroche in 1822. Would you know the location of the Pyne's you refer to? Dave Williams Marlborough. MA USA -----Original Message----- From: rainel2@bigpond.com To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: PYNE County Cork Dave There are PYNES in our Cork ancestry.(land owners). Lindseys of Peake married Pyne. If you think it so, I will look up chart for you. Have a look at www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com for their relatives. Lorra ----- Original Message ----- From: <dmwilli20@aim.com> To: <IRL-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: PYNE County Cork > Researching PYNE from Doneraile parish in county Cork and in Bellingham and Milford, MA USA > > Dave Williams > Marlborough, MA > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

Hello Jan, When you say that West Cork should have a Heritage centre...... do you mean one that is similar to Mallow? We all know the "employees" in Mallow can search an entry within seconds and in turn charge 75 euro for that search. The amount of work put in by enthusiasts and monies from govt. grants it would be excellent if they put the records on line.We all know this isn't going to happen. We have a rip off culture here in Ireland. If anyone is prepared to pay 75 euro I'll gladly go to Dublin for each person at 25 euro and do it myself.It's quite simple..... just put the records on line...... I'm sure this would encourage more tourism from USA , OZ, NZ etc. Regards, Kevin, Co Cork,Ireland. > > At the recent national genealogical conference held in Boston, Michael Egan, > who was one of the founders of the Irish Family History Society in 1984, > that there are thousands of records all on index cards, ready to be > computerized. The reason the records have not been computerized and > available to people has to do with politics. Michael said that we should > write to the following person to ask if the records that are on index cards > could be computerized and made available to those of us who are doing family > research in the West Cork area. He said writing directly to Mr. O'Donoghue > is the only way to change the situation. > > For those of us who have to put up with the "black hole" (lack of > records/heritage center available in West Cork), maybe we can make a > difference by writing. > > Mr. John O'Donoghue > Minister of Arts, Sport and Tourism > c/o Dail Eireann > Kildare Street > Dublin 2 > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > www.ancestralservices.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

At the recent national genealogical conference held in Boston, Michael Egan, who was one of the founders of the Irish Family History Society in 1984, that there are thousands of records all on index cards, ready to be computerized. The reason the records have not been computerized and available to people has to do with politics. Michael said that we should write to the following person to ask if the records that are on index cards could be computerized and made available to those of us who are doing family research in the West Cork area. He said writing directly to Mr. O'Donoghue is the only way to change the situation. For those of us who have to put up with the "black hole" (lack of records/heritage center available in West Cork), maybe we can make a difference by writing. Mr. John O'Donoghue Minister of Arts, Sport and Tourism c/o Dail Eireann Kildare Street Dublin 2 Jan

thank you Dennis -----Original Message----- From: ahern@world.std.com To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Cc: IRL-CORK-MALLOW-L@rootsweb.com; dmwilli20@aim.com Sent: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:07 AM Subject: Re: PYNE County Cork dmwilli20@aim.com said he was >Researching PYNE from Doneraile parish in county Cork and in Bellingham >and Milford, MA USA According to page 138 of Mallow Field Club Journal #8, 1990, there was a Thomas Pyne Flynn, esq., listed at Mount Ruby, Mallow in the 1824 Pigott's Directory for County Cork. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Mr. John Caplice, Dromore, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

Thanks Denis I think that it must mean that they were 2nd cousins. Forgot that this might have been a problem....... Slan, Mary McCarthy Simpson

I think what was reported means 3rd. degree. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Consanguinity > This reference may help. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Simpson" <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> > To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:59 AM > Subject: Consanguinity > > >> Thanks Denis >> >> I think that it must mean that they were 2nd cousins. Forgot that this >> might have been a problem....... >> >> Slan, >> >> Mary McCarthy Simpson

This reference may help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Simpson" <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Consanguinity > Thanks Denis > > I think that it must mean that they were 2nd cousins. Forgot that this > might have been a problem....... > > Slan, > > Mary McCarthy Simpson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006 > >

Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> said: >" Cum dispensations in 3the ( squiggle - meaning ' and '? ) 3the >consanguinis intatis " Script hard to make out, did this imply that >they were cousins? See: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm Consanguinity (in Canon Law) http://www.cimorelli.com/pie/faq/lat_eng.htm Latin-English Translation of Genealogical Terms http://genealogy-quest.com/glossaries/latin.html Latin Glossary for Genealogy -dja

Hi Listers, Does anyone on the list know of the location of the Ballinvinney cemetery records. This cemetery is near Riverstown in County Cork. I have CLERYS buried there. First recorded burial of our CLERYS, 1851, Thomas CLERY, his son John in 1884, and possibly his daughter Helena in 1872. The Clery vault is a square vault above the ground with a granite slab on top. Relative says that the writing on the gravestone has faded. The Cork council has been rung and they do not have them. The Cork library do not know about them either. Any help greatly appreciated. Erin in New Zealand.

I have just returned from a couple of weeks in Ireland, seeing family and trying to find baptism and marriage entries in the microfilm collections in the NLI, and visiting the places that they were from in Cork, Kerry, and Wexford. We are ' lucky ' in knowing the parishes and townlands that they lived in, so we have a head start. BUT........... Despite the friendly, long-suffering, ever helpful and knowledgeable staff at the Library, ( and they have a really great restaurant / cafe - recommended! ), after three and a half solid days hard labour with the microfilm data resulting in my coming away with over 22 pages of close written data ( pencil, naturally ), I have a few comments to pass on; The entries are often VERY hard to read. Old copperplate handwriting and shortened forms of names - and names spelled in MANY differing forms, means that sometimes you have to make an educated guess, or include a ? next to the entry ( guess how many I have of those? ). The period that you are most interested in will invariably be either so faint that the entries are illegible, or torn and ripped, or missing, or to vary the frustration somewhat, a large thumb will appear on the film blocking out part of the data - i.e. the relevant name....... Because so few Christian names were used, and because the townlands were not included in the information, just the parish ( which covers a larger area ), you are left wondering which of the Pat or Jer, Dns or Dan, Mick ( note, not Michael ) or Curly ( Charles? ), - or Mary, Cath, Ellen or Norry ( Hanora?) is the pertinent one to your family - and might the others be relations, or not? Why could the parish priests not have a little pity and forethought and included the place they were from? So you have to fall back on the names of the sponsors ( Godparents ) - usually close relatives. At least I now understand why the professional genealogists charge so much!!! Also, would anyone understand two notes that appeared on a couple of marriage records; " Dispensation in time " - the date was on the 8th April 1866, could it have been still in Lent? " Cum dispensations in 3the ( squiggle - meaning ' and '? ) 3the consanguinis intatis " Script hard to make out, did this imply that they were cousins? Two books that listers may find interesting; THE IRISH HEDGE SCHOOL AND ITS BOOKS, 1695 - 1831, by Antonia McManus, Four Courts Press, ISBN 1-85182-812-5 FAMINE IN WEST CORK The Mizen Peninsular Land and People 1800 - 1852, by Patrick Hickey, Mercier Press, ISBN 1-85635-388-5 Slan Mary McCarthy Simpson Dorset UK

See http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/Cork/1847/SEP.html#10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"JP & MC Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> asked: Re: [COUNTYCORK] death certificates in 18th century >Would you also know what church I could write to please? If he was >buried in St. James Cemetery, is the church also named St. James and is >it catholic/non-catholic? St. James in Mallow was a Roman Catholic church up to the Reformation when it became Anglican (Church of Ireland). Catholics continued to be buried there, at least up to the start of burials in the graveyard of the later St. Mary's RC Church. The graveyard of St. James also includes the ruins of an earlier church, St. Anne's and some of the tombstones transcribed and mapped in the Mallow Field Club Journal No. 8, 1990 are actually in St. Anne's graveyard. While you could write to the Rector of St. James in Mallow, I doubt they would have much more information than what is transcribed in the Journal on page 149 and that is that Redmond Fitzgerald died in September 1773. The rest of the stone is worn and illegible. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Mr. John Caplice, Dromore, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Have you contacted the New England Historic Genealogical Society (NEHGS) - they have a wealth of info and a great library if you can visit Boston - otherwise go to their website: newenglandancestors.org You can contact one of their genealogists who can advise you. Brigid Boston, MA On Oct 1, 2006, at 5:15 PM, MARY THOMAS wrote: > Thanks. A previous posting hooked me up with Olive Tree and I'm > searching the Boston passengers now. Nice to know I'm on the right > track. :-) > > > > Celticsoul <esledgerwood@comcast.net> wrote: > Try Boston. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: MARY THOMAS > >> Hi, >> >> I'm a newby when it comes to Irish genealogy but I'm sure most of >> you have >> noticed that. :-) My newest question is this: Did the Irish coming >> into the >> States during the famine years all come into New York? >> >> My Sullivans first turn up in Massachusetts. They don't show up on >> any of the >> census reports prior to 1860. They (Patrick Sullivan and Hannah >> Wallace) were >> married in Newburyport on 27 Oct 1855 which would have been after >> the famine >> years so I'm not sure if they left during the famine or not. It's >> also stated >> (1860 census) that their first child was born in Vermont in 1856. >> >> I checked the famine passenger lists coming into New York and they >> weren't on >> it. Are there other online passenger lists? Specifically coming into >> Massachusetts? >> >> Thanks for your patience, >> >> >> >> >> Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, >> Chris >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'm looking for information on my Bromell ancestors. I know there were Bromells in Co. Cork and suspect that they were related to the more numerous Bromells who have been in Co. Limerick since the early 18th century. Our family tradition is that we were originally Dutch (Brummel?). The earliest Bromell ancestor I have identified is John Bromell, born 1794. He married Jane Drought in 1819 in the Church of Ireland church at Castlebar, Co Mayo, and lived in Boyle, Co Roscommon where he founded the Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette in 1822. John published that paper until his death in 1863, and his son George continued to publish it until 1882. Thanks for any information you can provided. John Bromell

"JP & MC Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> asked: >I found a tombstone of REDMOND FITZGERALD 1773 in the Mallow list He was >buried in St. James Cemetery. Can you please tell me where I can find his >death certificate? I have enquired at a few places without replies. Ireland did not begin civil registrations of death until 1864. The only evidence you will find of an 18th century death would be a tombstone, a church burial record, or a death notice in a newspaper. The tombstone of Redmond Fitzgerald who died in 1773 is transcribed on page 149 of Mallow Field Club Journal No. 8, 1990, which may be out of print by now. The Mallow Heritage Centre also has copies of this transcription. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/mherit.htm for details. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Mr. John Caplice, Dromore, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Thanks. I have the records and they were very helpful. Rose56215@cs.com wrote: If they were married at Immaculate Conception Church in Newburyport the Archdiocesan Archives in Boston can send you a copy of the marriage record. There might be witnesses listed who were related. Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Mary Ellen- If you go to Olive Tree, and click on ships, there is a link to the passenger lists. Go to this site- http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/ Scroll down a bit -you'll see a box that says "Free Access for a Limited Time"-directly to the right of the box is a place to click -when you get there, use one of the passenger lists, then bookmark it -you should be able to get back in until Oct. 4th. Ann

If they were married at Immaculate Conception Church in Newburyport the Archdiocesan Archives in Boston can send you a copy of the marriage record. There might be witnesses listed who were related.

Chris, Do you know if any of your Sullivans married Kellehers? My great grandfather, Mathew Keliher married Margaret Leary at Immaculate Conception Church in Newburyport in 1859. Mathew probably arrived around 1852 or 1853. He was from County Cork. His parents were Jeremiah Keliher and Mary Sullivan Keliher. Thanks. Rose

Greetings, I checked out the Olive tree and the sites has lots of links, that's for sure, but the free until Oct. 4th part, I was not able to access. When I tried to use their "search" I got a "request" to sign up with ancestry if I wanted to see any data. I have had no luck whatsoever when trying to find any information about arrival of my ancestors from Ireland to the Peabody/Salem area of north Boston, Mass in the 1860 - 1880 range. All the best, Mary Ellen >From cool, calm San Francisco where the sun doesn't shine because of the fog. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com