Hi Jane, Did they get married in the UK? Have you got the marriage cert with the fathers on it? Just a thought. Erin.

Hi - I'm new to this list (again - have been here before), I'm looking for Patrick COLEMAN b.c.1821 & Ellen CATON b.c.1829/30, both born Ireland - hopefully Cork! I have found them seperate/unmarried on the 1851 Brit census and I have also found a 1821 Iveleary/Inchingeela census with a Denis Coleman & fam and a Cornelius Caton & fam - just not sure if they're mine. Not hoping for miracles - over that long time ago - just to say 'hi' and hope you're possibly related! If not - maybe you have a bunch of FLANAGAN's in your tree with no fixed abode? Thanks Jane

Summer's on the way, so moved to the "bach" and time for more research- and to let you know where I am, on the CORKER journey, as a reminder to anyone who may have some insights, and thanks for all the help received to date: The family line I am tracing appears to have originated from Robert CORKER of Mancester, - his eldest son Thomas married Abigail. dau. of Robert CHAMBRE of Dublin 1662, and the name Chambre features as a first/christian name from then on, down through the generations, unto my father's brother.- should have passed it on to one of my sons???? I am now searching for information on the CORKER line descended from Thomas CORKER b 1707, who purchased property near Innishannon from the Earl of Cork & Burlington, and built "Firgrove" where he resided. Can anyone tell me about "Firgrove"? This Thomas CORKER married 20 April, 1738, Hannah, daughter of Rev. John Moore - it also looks as though he married a second time to Alice Neville. He had 3 sons (1) John, (2) Thomas and (3) Chambre - who later became Archdeacon of Ardagh. (most of this has comes from Burkes/Brady/Church of Ireland records, searching the net, and help from people on this list- again thanks.) I've exhaused the line down from Archdeacon Chambre, and now endeavouring to look for descendants of his brothers John and/or Thomas, so if anyone has anything - would be most appreciated. By way of explanation- I was part of a social/structural analysis week long workshop many years ago, and during it- as a result of family story-telling- I will always remember the then Catholic Bishop of Christchurch telling me - every so gently- that I could no longer claim to be "working class"- as my stories were of "impoverished gentry"- and the more I read from these lists, the more I am learning just who was "improverished" while my folk were being "gentry"???? - hope that does not offend anyone - Kia Ora from the winterless north of NZ- where it is currently blowing a gale!!!! Joan Cook (NZ)

Dear Candi, Thank you for your reply. I am waiting for my husband to retire next year. I am very aware how precious and sometimes very short life can be. I am a breast cancer survivor who is still surviving after six years. Unfortunately, I am not free of it as it metastaized to my neck. I have wonderful doctors who have kept it from spreading any further. But every month I go in for tests. I am an optomist and I believe I can keep on surviving. but I must admit to a slight feeling urgency.. Why couldn't my O'Driscoll family have kept in touch!!! I have written to a priest at St. Patrick's in Dunmanway and I am hoping for a reply. Edwina

One of the questions Richard Shea asked on this list has been answered by the Irish Centre for Migration Studies in Cork. A few years ago it interviewed people whose relatives emigrated in the 1950's from Ireland, the period of the highest emigration from Ireland in the 20th century. You can listen to these interviews on this website: http://migration.ucc.ie/oralarchive/testing/nbreaking/index.html. The gist of these interviews is that the families who stayed behind were devastated and many protected themselves by a form of denial. This is now breaking down as more and more Irish have the means to travel and visit other countries, as I discovered on my recent trip there. Barbara Holt in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 51 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Personal ties to family lost (and1stp) > 2. Troys in Cork (Sheila328@aol.com) > 3. Richard Shea, personal ties .. researching in Ireland > (Jan Fortado) > 4. (Mary Simpson) > 5. Driscolls in Dunmanway (Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)) > 6. Re: Troys in Cork (Libby Gaffney) > 7. Re: Personal ties to family lost (wm.karr@insightbb.com) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the IRL-CORK list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CORK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CORK mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Good questions, Rick. I would like yo know the answers to those. Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Shea <rshea1@nycap.rr.com> Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 0:48 Subject: Personal ties to family lost To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > I would be curious to ask the few genealogically-minded in > Ireland if they have noticed this loss of touch with thier > American cousins by thier Irish ancestors? My family says > we were all from Cork although I believe it was because it was > where they left from not what county they were from but some > could be and I haven't found them yet. Even the ones who I > have found a given names for Walsh/Welch haven't seemed to stay > in touch with thier relatives in the same city. > The other question I would have for the Irish > genealogist is what was the size of families in Ireland in the > early-mid 1800s? In America 6-18 children were not unusual > but was it the same in Ireland? Obviously there were many > factors involved such as health, environment and threats to life > and limb from neighbors; even if many American then didn't think > of the Natives as neighbors. One great-grandmother of mine > in MA had 26 children, 3 husbands and lived to over 100 but in > the 1600s twins didn't survive very often, so only 7 children > lived to adulthood. > Can I get some ideas from those who lived, > research or have researched in Ireland. I've been there > twice but my wife wouldn't let me do genealogy back then. > Rick Shea > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sheila, Thank you so much for your reply. I will certainly keep an open mind about Carlow. Did any of your Troys go to Richmond, Ma where there was a big contingent of Troys in the 1850's? I did find James Troy on a passenger list with his wife, Johanna Flannigan, in June of 1846 from St John, Nova Scotia- I don't know if St John was just a transit stop for him or that he had been in Canada for a while. Keep up the good work Libby Gaffney ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sheila328@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Sheila328@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:41 AM Subject: Troys in Cork >I have a batch of Troys in my family, going back to the early 18th century, > but they're all in Co. Carlow, and well-documented. James is one of the > family > names. > > Sheila Connolly (the Connollys were from Cork) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Candi Best of luck with the searches in the NLI - hope that the old eyes can take it!!!! I forgot completely about Cornelius, and there are a fair few in our family also. When I went back over the copies that I had made of the baptismal records, some of the entries had ' Curly ' ( Cornelius?? ), and some had ' Carly ' ( was this Charles?? ) Am now cross-listing the reams of names that I took down and ' grouping ' them according to names appearing on the Griffiths' Lists in correct town-lands for our family, proximity of names from surrounding areas and town-lands, and with known ' family names ' ( including surnames ), within these areas that appear either as parents, sponsors, husbands and wives, and witnesses. It helps if you can do Sudoku! Mary McCarthy ( from Clougheenduane and Killaminoge, Templemichael, Cork ) Simpson

It is still possible your family came from Cork. I believe it is the largest county so it makes sense that a good many people came to the US from Cork. Although a death record, cemetery stone, or obituary might have the county of origin, often the best source to check for county is a naturalization record. If your family came to MA, you would probably find the naturalization record at the regional National Archives in Waltham. In my own family, the number of children varied. Usually, if there was only one marriage, the limit was about 12 children (again, in my own family). I found that with my poorer families and with families who lived during the famine, there were often about six children. Perhaps immigrants had better food and thus better nutrition when they arrived in the US and that led to bigger families??? Good luck.

If you are hunting Driscolls anywhere, you must visit Colin Ferguson's website! I send him all my Driscoll finds and you can tell him I've a few more from Kilmacow, Kilkenny. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colin/DriscollOfCork/Civil.htm Edwina, it is more than likely that the baptism of your Denis O'Driscoll, born in Dunmanway in 1838 is sitting in the Parish records at St Patrick's waiting for you, along with his parents, siblings, Townland information. Try not to wait until you retire. Life is short. Regards, Candi in California

I have a batch of Troys in my family, going back to the early 18th century, but they're all in Co. Carlow, and well-documented. James is one of the family names. Sheila Connolly (the Connollys were from Cork)

Off subject Richard, Read your posting. Saw the surnames Shea, Welsh and your reference's to Cork and Mass. Do you have ties to Coakley-Shea, Shea-Holden, Shea-Cahel, Shea-Bennett, and Dundon-Coakley families? Regards, John of the Dundon/Coakley/Welsh/Ahearn Families from Cork

Hello listers, Has anyone come across a Troy family with sons James and Thomas, both of whom settled ijn Danvers, Ma, USA? Their parents were James and Mary Sullivan- Thomas" grave says he was from Waterpark., I believe this is in the parish of Lismore and Mocollop. James' only son to make it to adulthood, James E Troy, was killed with General Custer in his last stand. His daughters married Rogers, Rundlett And Gaffney Would love to hear from anyone researching this name Libby Gaffney -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gary Sutherland" <garys@naplia.com> > Sorry doesn't seem to match up with my Flynn's. > My Flynn's startded to come over in 1910 and after. > I have not discovered a Dennis to date. Although I do have a John Flynn but he > never married. > Flynn is a very popular name in Cork. > > > ________________________________ > > From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lois Hill > Sent: Tue 10/10/2006 7:18 PM > To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 47 > > > > Just read your e mail and noticed that you are from MA and have Flynns for > ancestors. I ,also ,have John Flynn and Catherine Grady Flynn that lived in > Hingham, MA in the 1850s. Any connections. I know that John had a brother, > Dennis. Could you check yourcensus and let me know if there is any more > information about them. That is all I know about them until they moved to > Illinois. Thanks loddee > > Gary Sutherland wrote: David, > > I noticed you are from Hudson Ma, I am from Framingham Ma. > I plan on going to Ireland next year maybe you could give me some > research tips. > > My Flynn's are from Tim league > > > Thanks, > Gary > > > Gary B. Sutherland, CEO, CIC > 5 Whittier Street, 4th Floor > Framingham, Ma 01701 > www.naplia.com > Phone: 866-262-7542 ext 1350 > Fax: 866-656-1399 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Collins > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:57 PM > To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com; pegleg2@bigpond.net.au > Subject: Re: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 47 > > Peggy, > > On one of my research trips to Ireland, a relative asked me, "Why are > all of you coming over here to dig up our past when we're trying to bury > it?" Classic Irish wit. > > But I've noticed on other trips that the Irish are becoming as > interested in their family histories as we are. > > > David Collins > Hudson, MA, USA > > irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > 9. Re: West Cork Heritage Center (Peggy) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Re: West Cork Heritage Center > > From: > > "Peggy" > > > Date: > > Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:14:42 +1000 > > To: > > > > > > > >I agree with you Tom and would like to add that here in Australia we > have the same keen interest and need for local help in our Irish > research. In fact we are even more disadvantaged because of the vast > distance and expense involved in making a trip to Ireland to personally > research the records. I have been lucky enough to have two extended > trips across in the early days of my research but could only afford that > because I have cousins living over there who provided most of the > accommodation. I might add that these same cousins, who are the most > hospitable people I have ever met, thought I was a bit "off the planet" > because of my keen interest in our ancestors and knew [ or cared] even > less than I did about our roots. > > > >I can't see things changing Tom in the very near future, by which time > we will probably all be in a position to know "all":-)) > > > >Peggy > >Australia > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I would be curious to ask the few genealogically-minded in Ireland if they have noticed this loss of touch with thier American cousins by thier Irish ancestors? My family says we were all from Cork although I believe it was because it was where they left from not what county they were from but some could be and I haven't found them yet. Even the ones who I have found a given names for Walsh/Welch haven't seemed to stay in touch with thier relatives in the same city. The other question I would have for the Irish genealogist is what was the size of families in Ireland in the early-mid 1800s? In America 6-18 children were not unusual but was it the same in Ireland? Obviously there were many factors involved such as health, environment and threats to life and limb from neighbors; even if many American then didn't think of the Natives as neighbors. One great-grandmother of mine in MA had 26 children, 3 husbands and lived to over 100 but in the 1600s twins didn't survive very often, so only 7 children lived to adulthood. Can I get some ideas from those who lived, research or have researched in Ireland. I've been there twice but my wife wouldn't let me do genealogy back then. Rick Shea

Just read your e mail and noticed that you are from MA and have Flynns for ancestors. I ,also ,have John Flynn and Catherine Grady Flynn that lived in Hingham, MA in the 1850s. Any connections. I know that John had a brother, Dennis. Could you check yourcensus and let me know if there is any more information about them. That is all I know about them until they moved to Illinois. Thanks loddee Gary Sutherland <garys@naplia.com> wrote: David, I noticed you are from Hudson Ma, I am from Framingham Ma. I plan on going to Ireland next year maybe you could give me some research tips. My Flynn's are from Tim league Thanks, Gary Gary B. Sutherland, CEO, CIC 5 Whittier Street, 4th Floor Framingham, Ma 01701 www.naplia.com Phone: 866-262-7542 ext 1350 Fax: 866-656-1399 -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Collins Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:57 PM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com; pegleg2@bigpond.net.au Subject: Re: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 47 Peggy, On one of my research trips to Ireland, a relative asked me, "Why are all of you coming over here to dig up our past when we're trying to bury it?" Classic Irish wit. But I've noticed on other trips that the Irish are becoming as interested in their family histories as we are. David Collins Hudson, MA, USA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 9. Re: West Cork Heritage Center (Peggy) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: West Cork Heritage Center > From: > "Peggy" > Date: > Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:14:42 +1000 > To: > > > >I agree with you Tom and would like to add that here in Australia we have the same keen interest and need for local help in our Irish research. In fact we are even more disadvantaged because of the vast distance and expense involved in making a trip to Ireland to personally research the records. I have been lucky enough to have two extended trips across in the early days of my research but could only afford that because I have cousins living over there who provided most of the accommodation. I might add that these same cousins, who are the most hospitable people I have ever met, thought I was a bit "off the planet" because of my keen interest in our ancestors and knew [ or cared] even less than I did about our roots. > >I can't see things changing Tom in the very near future, by which time we will probably all be in a position to know "all":-)) > >Peggy >Australia > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry doesn't seem to match up with my Flynn's. My Flynn's startded to come over in 1910 and after. I have not discovered a Dennis to date. Although I do have a John Flynn but he never married. Flynn is a very popular name in Cork. ________________________________ From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lois Hill Sent: Tue 10/10/2006 7:18 PM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 47 Just read your e mail and noticed that you are from MA and have Flynns for ancestors. I ,also ,have John Flynn and Catherine Grady Flynn that lived in Hingham, MA in the 1850s. Any connections. I know that John had a brother, Dennis. Could you check yourcensus and let me know if there is any more information about them. That is all I know about them until they moved to Illinois. Thanks loddee Gary Sutherland <garys@naplia.com> wrote: David, I noticed you are from Hudson Ma, I am from Framingham Ma. I plan on going to Ireland next year maybe you could give me some research tips. My Flynn's are from Tim league Thanks, Gary Gary B. Sutherland, CEO, CIC 5 Whittier Street, 4th Floor Framingham, Ma 01701 www.naplia.com Phone: 866-262-7542 ext 1350 Fax: 866-656-1399 -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Collins Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:57 PM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com; pegleg2@bigpond.net.au Subject: Re: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 47 Peggy, On one of my research trips to Ireland, a relative asked me, "Why are all of you coming over here to dig up our past when we're trying to bury it?" Classic Irish wit. But I've noticed on other trips that the Irish are becoming as interested in their family histories as we are. David Collins Hudson, MA, USA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 9. Re: West Cork Heritage Center (Peggy) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: West Cork Heritage Center > From: > "Peggy" > Date: > Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:14:42 +1000 > To: > > > >I agree with you Tom and would like to add that here in Australia we have the same keen interest and need for local help in our Irish research. In fact we are even more disadvantaged because of the vast distance and expense involved in making a trip to Ireland to personally research the records. I have been lucky enough to have two extended trips across in the early days of my research but could only afford that because I have cousins living over there who provided most of the accommodation. I might add that these same cousins, who are the most hospitable people I have ever met, thought I was a bit "off the planet" because of my keen interest in our ancestors and knew [ or cared] even less than I did about our roots. > >I can't see things changing Tom in the very near future, by which time we will probably all be in a position to know "all":-)) > >Peggy >Australia > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I noticed you are from Hudson Ma, I am from Framingham Ma. I plan on going to Ireland next year maybe you could give me some research tips. My Flynn's are from Tim league Thanks, Gary Gary B. Sutherland, CEO, CIC 5 Whittier Street, 4th Floor Framingham, Ma 01701 www.naplia.com Phone: 866-262-7542 ext 1350 Fax: 866-656-1399 -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Collins Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:57 PM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com; pegleg2@bigpond.net.au Subject: Re: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 47 Peggy, On one of my research trips to Ireland, a relative asked me, "Why are all of you coming over here to dig up our past when we're trying to bury it?" Classic Irish wit. But I've noticed on other trips that the Irish are becoming as interested in their family histories as we are. David Collins Hudson, MA, USA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 9. Re: West Cork Heritage Center (Peggy) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: West Cork Heritage Center > From: > "Peggy" <pegleg2@bigpond.net.au> > Date: > Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:14:42 +1000 > To: > <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > > >I agree with you Tom and would like to add that here in Australia we have the same keen interest and need for local help in our Irish research. In fact we are even more disadvantaged because of the vast distance and expense involved in making a trip to Ireland to personally research the records. I have been lucky enough to have two extended trips across in the early days of my research but could only afford that because I have cousins living over there who provided most of the accommodation. I might add that these same cousins, who are the most hospitable people I have ever met, thought I was a bit "off the planet" because of my keen interest in our ancestors and knew [ or cared] even less than I did about our roots. > >I can't see things changing Tom in the very near future, by which time we will probably all be in a position to know "all":-)) > >Peggy >Australia > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peggy, On one of my research trips to Ireland, a relative asked me, "Why are all of you coming over here to dig up our past when we're trying to bury it?" Classic Irish wit. But I've noticed on other trips that the Irish are becoming as interested in their family histories as we are. David Collins Hudson, MA, USA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 9. Re: West Cork Heritage Center (Peggy) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: West Cork Heritage Center > From: > "Peggy" <pegleg2@bigpond.net.au> > Date: > Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:14:42 +1000 > To: > <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > > >I agree with you Tom and would like to add that here in Australia we have the same keen interest and need for local help in our Irish research. In fact we are even more disadvantaged because of the vast distance and expense involved in making a trip to Ireland to personally research the records. I have been lucky enough to have two extended trips across in the early days of my research but could only afford that because I have cousins living over there who provided most of the accommodation. I might add that these same cousins, who are the most hospitable people I have ever met, thought I was a bit "off the planet" because of my keen interest in our ancestors and knew [ or cared] even less than I did about our roots. > >I can't see things changing Tom in the very near future, by which time we will probably all be in a position to know "all":-)) > >Peggy >Australia > >

Dear Candi, I am wishing you the best of luck in Ireland. I hope to get there when my husband retires in a couple of years. In the meantime I have been working on the intenet and writting letters. I am looking for a Denis O'Driscoll, born in Dunmanway in 1938 (according to hid obituary.) He apparently left Ireland around 1867 or 1868. I do know he was married at St. Paul's Catholic Cathedral in Pittsburgh in 1870 to Catherina McCarthy. They later moved to Kansas (Lincoln, Co). They had a total of 15 children. Denis was my greatgrandfather and one would think with the number of children he had there would be others looking for him. Unfortunately, he left home at an early age and the family seems to have had no close person ties to each other. I will keep serching the internet and hoping and perhaps some day Dunmanway information will be available on line. As I know so little about him, I am not sure I could even find information in Ireland, but I am an optimist. Good luck in you endevers. Edwina Ribaudo _edribaudo@aol.com_ (mailto:edribaudo@aol.com)

Mary McCarthy Simpson I enjoyed your informative note. I never knew there was a café there at NLI. I'll be doing the same on the 18th October. My CURLY was a Cornelius. I cannot attest to the curly state of his hair. Regards, Candi McCarthy (from Dunmanway) Zizek in California