Dear List I have just found that my Molan ancestor came from this town. His name was John Molan. He emigrated to Australia in 1840 as an 8 year old. His parents names were Daniel Molan and Bridget Gallagher. There is also a strong connection with John Molan and Bridget Fitzgerald who he came with. The family immigrated to Victoria. Would like to find out if there are any Cork records that go back this far. Regards to all Liz Australia

To the List. Google Co.Cork Grave Inscriptions This is not a complete set but a selective one mainly put by individuals, if you have the patience to trawl you may find an ancestor. John Patrick

Volume II of Trevor McClaughlin's "Barefoot and Pregnant" is now available from the Genealogical Society of Victoria bookshop online at http://www.gsv.org.au/Bookshop/publications.htm See http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/morph.htm for a list of Mallow area orphans sent out to Australia between October, 1848 and August, 1850. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Mr. John Caplice, Dromore, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hi Art, I suggest you email the Cork city library and they may be able to tell you if these houses still exist. As far as I can remember they cannot photocopy maps, but they can give you a description so that you can find it on your map. Erin NZ

Barbara, The LDS have filmed Casey'sVol's and I have Vol 14 coming but I believe they are in very fine print (like 3 pages on one). Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Holt" <BHHolt@xtra.co.nz> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Dr Casey's Records > I have been interested in the discussion about Casey's volumes. As far as I know, we have only one of the volumes in New Zealand in Auckland's Public Library. I went to Australia doing research in 2004 and found there were only a few volumes of it in Sydney's State Library but the whole set in Canberra's National Library. When I came home ( after studying the index of all 16 volumes and finding many references to my family names) I noticed certain defects in my notes, with references missing in some cases and others mysteries. Then I read in Rosemary Ffolliott's Journal "The Irish Ancestor" (all on CD) this year that there are many errors in Casey's volumes. She described his work as one of the great tragedies of Irish genealogy or words to that effect in that such a large amount of time and resources had been spent on them. One example I found is this: > > > > Dr A.E. Casey ( or one of his helpers) found the baptism in 1800, on March 16, of William Clements, son of William and Ann at Ballyvourney in Cork West, in the Barony of Muskerry West, Cork. [A.E. Casey, Volume Eleven, page 4, Protestant Marriage Records, Ballyvourney Parish, Co. Cork.] However, Michael Leader, prominent Irish genealogist, told a Clements researcher in England who was employing him that the same baptism took place on the same date at Mallow. On my reckoning, Ballyvourney and Mallow are quite far apart as Mallow is in the north of Cork County. Did Casey, one of his helpers or Leader make a mistake when transcribing this entry, did the parents have their child baptised in different places, or did I make a mistake when making my notes from Casey? Could someone who has access to Casey's Vol Eleven help me out here, please? > > > > Barbara Holt in NZ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > [1] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dorothy, I doubt if there is a street named Porknomor in Ballincollig but there is an area at the Eastern end called Parknamore. In the old days it was probably spelt differently. Regards, Brendan Jones. > Can anyone tell me if there is such a street in Ballincollig > name "Porknamor" or something like that? > > Dorothy > MN > >

Thought you'd like to know that next Friday, October 27, at 10:15pm ET David Rencher will be giving a special talk entitled "Using the Irish Resources at the LDS Library." All are welcome.  This is a part of the 2006 Online Genealogy Conference being celebrated from Oct. 1-Oct. 31 at http://www.genealogyforum.org.  Once on the site, slide down a little bit until you see "Click here to go into the chat rooms."  Click on it.  You'll need to key in a screen name to use, but no password.  Click on "Go." That's it.  You'll be in the chat room and no, there is NO fee whatsoever nor will you be bombarded with advertising from various areas. You do need Java software.  If you don''t have it, do a google search for it.  Far as I know it's free. Come join us!  If you do Irish research, you do NOT want to miss David's talk.  I've been researching for 26 years and I have never met another researcher as knowledgeable as he is. David's impressive bios below - David E. Rencher, ireland, CG, FUGA, is employed by the Family and Church History Department in Salt Lake City where he is the Director of the Records and Information Division. A professional genealogist since 1977, he is an Accredited GenealogistCM with ICAPGenSM in Ireland research and a Certified Genealogist with the Board for Certification of Genealogists. > > David E. Rencher, AG, CG, FUGA, is employed by the Family and Church History > Department in Salt Lake City where he is the Director of the Records and > Information Division. A professional genealogist since 1977, he is an Accredited > GenealogistCM with ICAPGenSM in Ireland research and a Certified > GenealogistSM with the Board for Certification of Genealogists. He is the Irish course > coordinator and instructor for the Samford University Institute of > Genealogical and Historical Research (IGHR) in Birmingham, Alabama. He graduated from > Brigham Young University in 1980 with a BA in Family and Local History. He is a > past-president of the Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) 1997-2000, > a national genealogical society umbrella organization, a past-president of > the Utah Genealogical Association (UGA) 1993-1995 and a Fellow of that > organization. He is a vice-president of the Genealogical Society of Utah (GSU). He is > currently serving as the Chair of the joint Federation of Genealogical > Societies and National Genealogical Society committee for Record Preservation and > Access and serves as a Director for the National Institute of Genealogical > Research Alumni Association (NIGRAA), and Trustee for the Umpstead, Jr. and > Elizabeth Jemima Philpott Rencher and the Winslow Farr, Sr. Family > Organizations.

Hi Art, There is a Convalescent Home in Cuskinny which may be one of the "Big Houses" you mention. I haven't seen the actual house but the entrance gates would suggest such is the case. It now goes under the name of Cuskinny Court. I'm sure if you dropped them a line they would they would update you on the history of the place. In Guys Postal Directoryfor 1914 at http://failteromhat.com/guy/queenstown.htm Lady Mary Aldworth is living at Carrigrhu. This may well be the name of an estate as I can't find a reference to it in any townland index. If Peter in "The Glorious Hills of Berkshire" is tuned in he may know of such a place. In the same directory Savage French is lised as a Justice of The Peace and also as the owner of a Dairy in Cuskinny. I hope this helps. Regards, Brendan Jones. > The landowner for houses No. 1 to 6 is Savage FRENCH. Landowner for > houses No. 7 to 9 is Lady Mary ALDWORTH, and it seems evident that > If anyone out there is familiar with the area, I wonder if they know > if these houses are still in existence, perhaps used for some other > purpose in this more modern age ? Or, if long gone, can tell me > roughly where they were on a modern map of the Cuskinny area ? > 1911. Thanks Art Pearse in Ontario > > > >

I have been interested in the discussion about Casey's volumes. As far as I know, we have only one of the volumes in New Zealand in Auckland's Public Library. I went to Australia doing research in 2004 and found there were only a few volumes of it in Sydney's State Library but the whole set in Canberra's National Library. When I came home ( after studying the index of all 16 volumes and finding many references to my family names) I noticed certain defects in my notes, with references missing in some cases and others mysteries. Then I read in Rosemary Ffolliott's Journal "The Irish Ancestor" (all on CD) this year that there are many errors in Casey's volumes. She described his work as one of the great tragedies of Irish genealogy or words to that effect in that such a large amount of time and resources had been spent on them. One example I found is this: Dr A.E. Casey ( or one of his helpers) found the baptism in 1800, on March 16, of William Clements, son of William and Ann at Ballyvourney in Cork West, in the Barony of Muskerry West, Cork. [A.E. Casey, Volume Eleven, page 4, Protestant Marriage Records, Ballyvourney Parish, Co. Cork.] However, Michael Leader, prominent Irish genealogist, told a Clements researcher in England who was employing him that the same baptism took place on the same date at Mallow. On my reckoning, Ballyvourney and Mallow are quite far apart as Mallow is in the north of Cork County. Did Casey, one of his helpers or Leader make a mistake when transcribing this entry, did the parents have their child baptised in different places, or did I make a mistake when making my notes from Casey? Could someone who has access to Casey's Vol Eleven help me out here, please? Barbara Holt in NZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1]

I am unable to answer Jerry's letter of inquiry with the E-mail address that accompanied it. Please try it again. Bruce N. Levis blevis@adelphia.net

Thank you much. I believe that is it. Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Brendan Jones Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:41 AM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Street address in Co Cork Hi Dorothy, I doubt if there is a street named Porknomor in Ballincollig but there is an area at the Eastern end called Parknamore. In the old days it was probably spelt differently. Regards, Brendan Jones. > Can anyone tell me if there is such a street in Ballincollig > name "Porknamor" or something like that? > > Dorothy > MN > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/492 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/492 - Release Date: 10/23/2006

Can anyone tell me if there is such a street in Ballincollig name "Porknamor" or something like that? Dorothy MN -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/492 - Release Date: 10/23/2006

Guys PO Directory 1914: http://www.failteromhat.com/guy/queenstown.htm Aldworth Lady Mary, Carrigrhu Aldworths were extensive property owners earlier (1870) including in Queenstown http://www.cmcrp.net/Cork/Landowner1.html But I think the property you are looking for may have been called Carrigrhu at Queenstown. Kae Lewis On Oct 23, 2006, at 3:03 AM, irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Form B1 also shows that the townland is Cuskinny, parish is > Templerobin, barony is Barrymore, Queenstown No, 1 (Rural). > The landowner for houses No. 1 to 6 is Savage FRENCH. Landowner for > houses No. 7 to 9 is Lady Mary ALDWORTH, and it seems evident that > the coachman in No. 8 is employed by Lady Mary.

Hello Art & other listers, Unfortunately I can't be of any help regarding your Sillett family but I am very interested in these houses or anything you might find out about Savage French or Mary Aldworth. I am researching the Perry family of Tipperary & Cork and Savage French was the son of Phoebe Maria Perry of Tipperary and Sampson Towgood Wynne French of Cuskinny, Co. Cork. He died in 1922. Phoebe Maria Perry's gt-nephew married an Aldworth in 1934, also of Cork , and I'll bet this is the same family. Any information you might come across would be greatly appreciated and I'll keep my eyes open for the Sillett family in my future research. Karen Bell, native Ontarian "Art Pearse" <mailto:apearse@muskoka.com> schrieb: > Hi List: When I last asked for info., you were very helpful and > enabled me to find the SILLETT family on the 1911 Census, which I was > able to order from my local History Centre. > So, again I'm looking for someone who might have local knowledge. > The SILLETT family of nine persons are entered on a Census Form A, > the head of family being a coachman. House or building number > was No. 8 on Form B1. > Form B1 also shows that the townland is Cuskinny, parish is > Templerobin, barony is Barrymore, Queenstown No, 1 (Rural). > The landowner for houses No. 1 to 6 is Savage FRENCH. Landowner for > houses No. 7 to 9 is Lady Mary ALDWORTH, and it seems evident that > the coachman in No. 8 is employed by Lady Mary. > The picture in my mind is of two large houses which are probably in a > rural area, East of Cobh. Some servants for these two houses live in > smaller houses nearby, while others live in the "big house". > If anyone out there is familiar with the area, I wonder if they know > if these houses are still in existence, perhaps used for some other > purpose in this more modern age ? Or, if long gone, can tell me > roughly where they were on a modern map of the Cuskinny area ? > I know, once you find out a bit more about a family in the past, you > get nosey trying to put together a fuller picture of that life. Would > appreciate any snippets of info.about Cuskinny in > 1911. Thanks Art Pearse in Ontario > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to mailto:IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List: When I last asked for info., you were very helpful and enabled me to find the SILLETT family on the 1911 Census, which I was able to order from my local History Centre. So, again I'm looking for someone who might have local knowledge. The SILLETT family of nine persons are entered on a Census Form A, the head of family being a coachman. House or building number was No. 8 on Form B1. Form B1 also shows that the townland is Cuskinny, parish is Templerobin, barony is Barrymore, Queenstown No, 1 (Rural). The landowner for houses No. 1 to 6 is Savage FRENCH. Landowner for houses No. 7 to 9 is Lady Mary ALDWORTH, and it seems evident that the coachman in No. 8 is employed by Lady Mary. The picture in my mind is of two large houses which are probably in a rural area, East of Cobh. Some servants for these two houses live in smaller houses nearby, while others live in the "big house". If anyone out there is familiar with the area, I wonder if they know if these houses are still in existence, perhaps used for some other purpose in this more modern age ? Or, if long gone, can tell me roughly where they were on a modern map of the Cuskinny area ? I know, once you find out a bit more about a family in the past, you get nosey trying to put together a fuller picture of that life. Would appreciate any snippets of info.about Cuskinny in 1911. Thanks Art Pearse in Ontario

John, Is there anyone whose last name is Hanberry, Handberry, Hambury, or other similar surnames in the gravestones you have. This is a very small family that started in Co Roscommon and spread in Ireland. Their records are hard to find and your help is very much appreciated. My wife is a descendant. J R

----- Original Message ----- From: <EilGrffths@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Bandon Protestant Census > Listers. > I have 4 booklets with Gravestone Inscriptions of Kilbrogan C.of I.and R.C. > and Ballymodan C.of I. and R.C. > If anyone would like me to look up an ancester just email. > John Patrick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there a 1841 or 31' Irish census too? Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <jayghkub@coastalnet.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: Re: IRISH CENSUS > There are also fragments from the 1851 census as published by J. > Masterson. ISBN: 0-8063-4610-8. They include records of 4 parishes of > County cork, in the Union of Kilworth. These parishes are Kilcrumper, > Kilworth and portions of Leitrim and Macroney. Included are 750 > households & 4000 persons. > Jeannine > North Carolina > > -----Original Message----- >>From: SydHockey <syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk> >>Sent: Oct 20, 2006 12:28 PM >>To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com >>Subject: IRISH CENSUS >> >>Thank you to KEVIN & DAVID for the information regarding IRISH CENSUS. >> Regards, >> Syd (Southampton) >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Barb, Jeannine, and Patsy, One of the beauties of the digest is the information sharing that takes place. Thanks for the updates to the early census records. I just ordered Josephine Masterson's book on 1851 fragments. It's available in paperback on <www.amazon.com> for $12.50 and <www.genealogical.com> for $17.50. Take your pick :)! Thanks again, David Collins Hudson, MA, USA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 2. IRISH CENSUS (SydHockey) 3. 1821 Census Fragment transcription Inchigeela (Thomas Glassel) 4. Bandon Protestant 'Census' 1834 and 1846 (Patricia O'Shea) 5. Re: IRISH CENSUS (jayghkub@coastalnet.com) > Subject: > IRISH CENSUS > From: > "SydHockey" <syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: > Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:28:55 +0100 > To: > <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > > Thank you to KEVIN & DAVID for the information regarding IRISH CENSUS. > Regards, Syd (Southampton) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: > 1821 Census Fragment transcription Inchigeela > From: > Thomas Glassel <tglassel@execpc.com> > Date: > Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:37:21 -0500 > To: > irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > > Greetings census hunters, > Add to the census list: a transcription exists of the 1821 Census, for > 18 townlands of Inchigeela. Online! Transcriptions are not the same as > the destroyed originals. My ancestors lived near but not in those 18, > but I consider it a visualizing help anyway. [They probably walked > across some of this land, even if they didn't own or rent it.] > Online as part of M. Grogan's great website: > <http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/~mgrogan/cork/inch_1821_cen.htm> > The Ballingeary Historical Society had published this transcription in > about 1999 in its Journal, and had hoped to add more pieces of this > transcription. Does anyone have an update on that possibility? > Margaret Grogan's site has a whole page on Co. Cork censuses: > <http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/~mgrogan/cork/a_census.htm> > > Barb Glassel > > Subject: > Bandon Protestant 'Census' 1834 and 1846 > From: > "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> > Date: > Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:43:03 +1300 > To: > "Cork List" <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Hi listers. If you have Protestant ancestors from Ballymodan in Bandon > there are two 'censuses' available at the National Library in Dublin. > These are full lists of names etc but not always with ages. They > appear to have been completed by the local parish minister and have > great comments alongside some families. > The reference is MS 3676 and/or 675. List of Protestants, Ballymodan. > Positive number 9020. > Worth checking if you are able to get to Dublin. > Ballymodan is one of the two parishes in Bandon, but I did not see > anything similar for Kilbrogan. > > Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: > Re: IRISH CENSUS > From: > jayghkub@coastalnet.com > Date: > Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:14:02 -0400 (EDT) > To: > irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > There are also fragments from the 1851 census as published by J. > Masterson. ISBN: 0-8063-4610-8. They include records of 4 parishes of > County cork, in the Union of Kilworth. These parishes are Kilcrumper, > Kilworth and portions of Leitrim and Macroney. Included are 750 > households & 4000 persons. Jeannine North Carolina -----Original > Message----- > > > > >

Hi Kay, Yes, LDS microfilmed [most of] the same set, lucky us. That long geographic title is often abbreviated in articles, as "OKM" "OCM" "OK" or Casey. Helps the spelling resistant among us. Use Ray Marshall's article, describing contents of each volume, Mother Lode article IGSI <http://www.irishgenealogical.org/igsi_published/casey.htm> to figure out which volumes / films to order. Note: Some library catalogs have the different volumes catalogued separately, not always in a set, due to differences in the titles / publishing house / authors' names. One more opportunity for creative searching! Barb Glassel ______________________ Barbara, I believe Casey's work can be found on microfilm at your local Family History Center. Starting with film # 823801 Vol.1 thru 15. Is this the same work? "O'Kief, Coshe Mange, Slieve Lougher and Upper Blackwater" Kay