I haven't done this in a while, so I hope the formatting comes out well. I wanted to share my research findings in Dunmanway parish records from last week. I hope you can decipher the data --the format is at the top. It hardly seems like three hours work, and the long travel to get there, does it? I will soon be posting my finds (and more) onto my website. http://www.corbinconnections.com/ Of course, many of these people are mine, so please contact me if they are yours also. As always, give a shout if you score! Regards, Candi in California Dunmanway Parish Baptisms St Patricks 2006 Date-LDS film #-LDS Vol & Page-Child-Father-Mother-Townland- Sponsors 11 Aug 1837 Timothy to Timothy MCCARTHY & Mary MCCARTHY at Dromdrastil -Cornelius HURLY & Mary CROWLEY May 1838 Ellen to Michael REGAN & Honora MCCARTHY Dromdrastil -Timothy REGAN & Honora MCCARTHY June 1838-Michael to John COLLINS & Ellen DONOVAN at Mileenawing-Timothy COLLINS & Ellen SWEENEY March 1844 Margaret to Con Curly FARRELL & Angel BARRY at Dromdiga -Timothy FARRELL & Mary FARRELL 13 April 1869 Cornelius to Jeremiah FARRELL& Nelly CARROLL at Moneyreague- Jerry MANNING & Margaret COTTER 13 July 1899 101067 V5-193 Ellen to Jeremiah WHITE & Mary MCCARTHY at Dromdrastil -Cornelius LEHEANE & Hanna WHITE 13 Nov 1899 101067 V5-172 Julia to Denis FARRELL& Brigid LEARY Moneyreague -Cornelius FARRELL & Julia FARRELL 14 Nov 1869 Patrick to Patrick DRISCOLL & Mary MAHONEY no Townland-James WALSH & Catherine CROWLEY 14 Oct 1899 Mary to John CARROLL & Mary MCCARTHY Inchafune Richard MILNES & Hanna CARROLL 16 July 1837 Michael to Edward SKUSE & Mary COLLINS Cullinagh Michael COLLINS & Margaret COLLINS 19 April 1899 101067-V5-204 Johanna to Michael WHITE & Mary CULLINANE at Kilronan-Patrick CONNELL & Kate CULLINANE 2 Oct 1899-Daniel to John CARROLL &Mary MCCARTHY at Inchifune-James DRISCOLL & Kate O'NEILL 20 Aug 1899 Mary to Richard WHITE &Mary CRONIN 22 Sept 1899 Thomas to William WHITE & Mary BRADY at AnnPark 23 Aug 1899 Honora to Richard WHITE & Ann HURLEY at Kenrath Richard WHITE & Kate HURLEY 26 Dec 1868 Johanna to Jeremiah FARRELL &Mary DONIHUGH? At Togher -Jerry HURLEY & Julia MCCARTHY 3 Jan 1868 Michael to Thomas DRISCOLL & Mary MAHONEY at Direens-Michael MAHONEY & Johanna BUCKLEY 30 Mar 1869 Margaret to Cornelius FARRELL & Honora MCCARTHY at Moneyreague- Cornelius MANNING & Bridget COAKLEY 6 Oct 1899 101067 V5-171 Jeremiah to John FARRELL & Hanna O'NEIL at Moneyreague-Cornelius FARRELL & Ellen O'NEILL 7 Dec 1868 John to Daniel LORDAN & Catherine CROWLEY at Glaun -Michael LORDAN & Johanna SULLIVAN 7 Oct 1899 Patrick to John LORDAN & Mary MURPHY at Lisheenlea no sponsors 8 April 1838 Mary to Cornelius FARRELL & Johanna REGAN at Moneyreague- Richard MANNING & Margaret REGAN 8 June 1898 -101067- V5-204 James to Denis FARRELL & Bridget LEARY at Moneyreague-John LEARY & Anne FARRELL

> 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT > true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I > could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. It is most likely true, BUT they are forbidden by various Dioceses from making them available to the public., due to copyright issues. There appears to be clear evidence of this in their Library holdings. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: researching in Ireland > Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want > to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. > > My recommendations: >

> 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT > true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I > could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. It is most likely true, BUT they are forbidden by various Dioceses from making them available to the public., due to copyright issues. There appears to be clear evidence of this in their Library holdings. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: researching in Ireland > Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want > to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. > > My recommendations: >

> 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT > true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I > could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. It is most likely true, BUT they are forbidden by various Dioceses from making them available to the public., due to copyright issues. There appears to be clear evidence of this in their Library holdings. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: researching in Ireland > Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want > to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. > > My recommendations: >

> 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT > true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I > could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. It is most likely true, BUT they are forbidden by various Dioceses from making them available to the public., due to copyright issues. There appears to be clear evidence of this in their Library holdings. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: researching in Ireland > Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want > to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. > > My recommendations: >

> 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT > true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I > could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. It is most likely true, BUT they are forbidden by various Dioceses from making them available to the public., due to copyright issues. There appears to be clear evidence of this in their Library holdings. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: researching in Ireland > Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want > to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. > > My recommendations: >

> 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT > true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I > could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. It is most likely true, BUT they are forbidden by various Dioceses from making them available to the public., due to copyright issues. There appears to be clear evidence of this in their Library holdings. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: researching in Ireland > Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want > to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. > > My recommendations: >

Great information Candi! Regarding the GPS - I do have one but when I was going to Ireland the only download I could find was an entire disk for Europe which cost $100. Way too much for me when I only wanted Ireland. Does anyone know where there is a download of Ireland only for a Garmin GPS? Lynch family - found them in Glamorgan, Wales from 1830 - 1870) On one census it lists Daniel LYNCH from Bartholomew, Ballinterry (?), Cork. Pretty sure about the 1st and last part, but does anyone know if the middle is correct or possibly what it could be? Any help would be great appreciated. Karen "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> wrote: Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. My recommendations: SNIP --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

Here is a list of books recommended to me while I was in Ireland. I am having a difficult time finding them. Has anyone a good resource? DUBLIN did not have them! Beara Woman Talking the lore of Peig Minihane ; folklore from the Bara Penisula, Co. Cork / Collected by Tadhg Ò Murchú, edited, arranged and translated by Martin Verling. - Cork : Mercier Press, 2003. - 190 s. ISBN 1-85635-417-2 (h.) DOKID: 03kj12490 Oppstilling: UHS 398.09415 Bea Clonakilty.....A History by Michael J Collins O'Driscolls Past & present by Eamon Lankford A Boy of Destiny by Michael J Carroll Bandon 400 Years of history by Paddy Connolly Regards, Candi in California

Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. My recommendations: DO your homework in America (or your homeland) where things are calm, and believe in your findings. When you don't get an answer that makes sense in Ireland, keep asking. Nobody will do it as well as you do it yourself, if you do your homework. Examples below: 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. 2. Another licensed genealogist at NLI told me there were no such Townlands in Waterford as Ballynaguilke and Clonfadda listed in any of the library's resources. I have the wills and data from Newfoundland and we found these same Townlands on Seanruad and a Discovery map after we left the NLI. However, deciphering the Parish (once called Reiske) now turned into Dunhill, and finding them on the country roads is an amazing challenge. Next visit I bring a GPS! 3. Another knowledgeable Irish person who is expert at the internet and believes this data should be free----advised us that Heritage Centers are into it for the income and often staffed by low paid FAS workers who are not knowledgeable or exactly interested in Irish or family history. When inquiries come in, they refer to the computer or to established lists, and provide a quick response for the fee. There is no critical thinking going on there. I believe this may be true. For certain I know there are more records out there. An Irish detective is hard to find, and to that, I say, rely on yourself and the older people you meet who are willing to share their history. And go soon, while the elders are still alive. Regards, Candi McCarthy from California

I appreciated Candi's comments on my message about possible mistakes in Dr Casey's work. Through the very kind efforts of another Cork rootsweb list member, who looked up Casey's Vol 11 for me, I have now discovered the mistake was mine. In the many notes I made in Canberra, I evidently copied a heading from one part of the volume and included notes under it from another part. I do agree with Candi that mistakes are sometimes made by others, also, in making transcripts. I am still trying to find, among my many papers, a copy of the comments made by Rosemary Ffoilliot about Casey's work having many inaccuracies in it. When I do, I will post it to this list. Barbara Holt

When I asked the librarian at the Sydney State library about Vol 11 (because the page order in that volume is eccentric!), I was told that it was full of errors and dubious pedigrees and was I sure I wanted to use it? She was just giving an opinion of course. I can imagine it would be easy to make mistakes in transcripts because the heading for whatever section your name is in can be many pages back and hard to find. I came close to forgetting to note it a few times. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Holt" <BHHolt@xtra.co.nz> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:02 AM Subject: Errors in parish registrations >I appreciated Candi's comments on my message about possible mistakes in Dr >Casey's work. Through the very kind efforts of another Cork rootsweb list >member, who looked up Casey's Vol 11 for me, I have now discovered the >mistake was mine. In the many notes I made in Canberra, I evidently >copied a heading from one part of the volume and included notes under it >from another part. I do agree with Candi that mistakes are sometimes made >by others, also, in making transcripts. > > I am still trying to find, among my many papers, a copy of the comments > made by Rosemary Ffoilliot about Casey's work having many inaccuracies in > it. When I do, I will post it to this list. > > Barbara Holt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Barbara Holt, I certainly agree there could be mistakes in transcribing civil records/parish records, and that only adds to the mysteries of Irish records. I have transcribed & posted much of my own research and am amazed at how many times a baptism of one child could be listed in different registrations. Just keep in mind-- even if nobody makes mistakes in recording, I have several instances where one or more members of the family registered a birth on different days--same child. Date, location, but registered twice. Still many were NOT registered by my stubborn Irish lot. I also have found many instances where the Priest seemed to travel to rural areas, and take back the records with him to record in another location. So I have found them twice. This is no good answer or solution, but just wanted to share my research experience to add to the pot. Regards, Candi in California

Hello Mary, How am I able to see the townland for Sullivan of Gubbeen Skull west cork? My Sullivan's our from there. Denis & Annie Sullivan in 1901 & 1911 Thank you Sandra Miller >From: MARY THOMAS <coloknight@verizon.net> >Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com >To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cork] Process of elimination...am I off base? >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:15:27 -0700 (PDT) > >I was afraid of that. It's been tough tracking Patrick son of Patrick son >of Patrick of Ireland. Thanks for trying. > >Bob Trehearne <photobob@frontiernet.net> wrote: Mary, >I have a program based on just the surnames that lists all of the >possible combinations of O'Sullivan and O'Brien by townland. In other >words, it looks at each townland and if there was an O'Sullivan and an >O'Brien in the same townland in the 1847-1864 time period it shows a >match and the resuslts are printed out. >For Cork there are many possibilities- based on just the surnames only: The >following is for Cork only. > >PARISH O'SULLIVAN 0'BRIEN > >Ballymodan 1 5 >Buttevant 2 4 >Caheragh 1 1 >Carrigaline 2 1 >Castleyons 1 4 >Clonmeen 1 8 >Cloonmel 1 2 >Desertmore 1 1 >Drishane 1 2 >Fanlobbus 4 1 >Ightermurragh 1 1 >Kilcrumper 1 2 >Kilgarriff 2 7 >Killaconenagh 8 1 >Kilmeen(Duhallow) 1 1 >Kilmichael 1 2 >Kilmocomoge 8 2 >Kilworth 1 13 >Macroom 1 5 >Rathgoggan 1 11 >Shandrum 1 6 >Templerobin 1 4 >Tracton 1 2 >Yougal 5 16 > >For Cork City > >Holy Trinity 3 11 >St Annes Shandon 6 15 >St Finbars 2 5 >St Mary' Shandon 9 7 >St Nicholas 3 7 >St Pauls 1 >3 >St Peters 4 >2 > >At least the townlands of your two citations are listed above!! > >This program actually lists the whole of Ireland but you were interested >in just Cork. >I would not know how to narrow this list down unless you actually know of >the townlands of your ancestors. > >Bob Trehearne > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "MARY THOMAS" >To: "Cork List" >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:48 PM >Subject: [Cork] Process of elimination...am I off base? > > > > Hi Listers, > > I was blessed/cursed with ancestors by the name of O'Sullivan and >O'Brien > > in Cork. Kind of like Smith and Jones so I thought I'd run a check > > against Griffiths. My O'Sullivan was Patrick who married Margaret > > O'Brien. They had two sons that I know of for sure....Jeremiah born 1829 > > and Patrick born about 1830. I don't know the name of Margaret's father. > > > > While there are tons of O'Sullivans and O'Briens throughout Cork, I >found > > only two places where the two families were together. > > > > There is a John O'Brien in Castle Town Bearhaven, Kilaconenagh and there > > is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. > > > > There is a Jeremiah O'Brien in Ballybeg Middle, Buttevant and again >there > > is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. > > > > These are the only two places where the two families lived together...at > > least in Cork. Now supposition kicks in. Since there are no Johns that I > > know of in the family, I put him on the back burner. Problem is, there > > could have been other sons named for Margaret's father and I just >haven't > > located them yet. > > > > That leaves Jeremiah O'Brien. According to custom, Patrick and Margaret > > would have named their second son after her father (I think that's >right.) > > but, as far as I know, Jeremiah was their first son. > > > > Now I'm babbling so I ask...what's my next step? (Other than praying > > that it's one of the two and not one of the hundreds) I know virtually > > nothing about Patrick and Margaret and their sons married in >Massachusetts > > rather than Cork so I can't use the maiden names of their wives to >narrow > > it all down. I'm hoping that, if I can figure out where in Cork Patrick > > and Margaret were from, I can find out more about them. > > > > Help! > > > > > > > > > > Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, > > Chris > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, > Chris > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List Thank you to all who have responded. I will be interested to find out more about my Molan Irish roots. Regards Liz Darcey

I was afraid of that. It's been tough tracking Patrick son of Patrick son of Patrick of Ireland. Thanks for trying. Bob Trehearne <photobob@frontiernet.net> wrote: Mary, I have a program based on just the surnames that lists all of the possible combinations of O'Sullivan and O'Brien by townland. In other words, it looks at each townland and if there was an O'Sullivan and an O'Brien in the same townland in the 1847-1864 time period it shows a match and the resuslts are printed out. For Cork there are many possibilities- based on just the surnames only: The following is for Cork only. PARISH O'SULLIVAN 0'BRIEN Ballymodan 1 5 Buttevant 2 4 Caheragh 1 1 Carrigaline 2 1 Castleyons 1 4 Clonmeen 1 8 Cloonmel 1 2 Desertmore 1 1 Drishane 1 2 Fanlobbus 4 1 Ightermurragh 1 1 Kilcrumper 1 2 Kilgarriff 2 7 Killaconenagh 8 1 Kilmeen(Duhallow) 1 1 Kilmichael 1 2 Kilmocomoge 8 2 Kilworth 1 13 Macroom 1 5 Rathgoggan 1 11 Shandrum 1 6 Templerobin 1 4 Tracton 1 2 Yougal 5 16 For Cork City Holy Trinity 3 11 St Annes Shandon 6 15 St Finbars 2 5 St Mary' Shandon 9 7 St Nicholas 3 7 St Pauls 1 3 St Peters 4 2 At least the townlands of your two citations are listed above!! This program actually lists the whole of Ireland but you were interested in just Cork. I would not know how to narrow this list down unless you actually know of the townlands of your ancestors. Bob Trehearne ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARY THOMAS" To: "Cork List" Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: [Cork] Process of elimination...am I off base? > Hi Listers, > I was blessed/cursed with ancestors by the name of O'Sullivan and O'Brien > in Cork. Kind of like Smith and Jones so I thought I'd run a check > against Griffiths. My O'Sullivan was Patrick who married Margaret > O'Brien. They had two sons that I know of for sure....Jeremiah born 1829 > and Patrick born about 1830. I don't know the name of Margaret's father. > > While there are tons of O'Sullivans and O'Briens throughout Cork, I found > only two places where the two families were together. > > There is a John O'Brien in Castle Town Bearhaven, Kilaconenagh and there > is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. > > There is a Jeremiah O'Brien in Ballybeg Middle, Buttevant and again there > is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. > > These are the only two places where the two families lived together...at > least in Cork. Now supposition kicks in. Since there are no Johns that I > know of in the family, I put him on the back burner. Problem is, there > could have been other sons named for Margaret's father and I just haven't > located them yet. > > That leaves Jeremiah O'Brien. According to custom, Patrick and Margaret > would have named their second son after her father (I think that's right.) > but, as far as I know, Jeremiah was their first son. > > Now I'm babbling so I ask...what's my next step? (Other than praying > that it's one of the two and not one of the hundreds) I know virtually > nothing about Patrick and Margaret and their sons married in Massachusetts > rather than Cork so I can't use the maiden names of their wives to narrow > it all down. I'm hoping that, if I can figure out where in Cork Patrick > and Margaret were from, I can find out more about them. > > Help! > > > > > Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Mary, I have a program based on just the surnames that lists all of the possible combinations of O'Sullivan and O'Brien by townland. In other words, it looks at each townland and if there was an O'Sullivan and an O'Brien in the same townland in the 1847-1864 time period it shows a match and the resuslts are printed out. For Cork there are many possibilities- based on just the surnames only: The following is for Cork only. PARISH O'SULLIVAN 0'BRIEN Ballymodan 1 5 Buttevant 2 4 Caheragh 1 1 Carrigaline 2 1 Castleyons 1 4 Clonmeen 1 8 Cloonmel 1 2 Desertmore 1 1 Drishane 1 2 Fanlobbus 4 1 Ightermurragh 1 1 Kilcrumper 1 2 Kilgarriff 2 7 Killaconenagh 8 1 Kilmeen(Duhallow) 1 1 Kilmichael 1 2 Kilmocomoge 8 2 Kilworth 1 13 Macroom 1 5 Rathgoggan 1 11 Shandrum 1 6 Templerobin 1 4 Tracton 1 2 Yougal 5 16 For Cork City Holy Trinity 3 11 St Annes Shandon 6 15 St Finbars 2 5 St Mary' Shandon 9 7 St Nicholas 3 7 St Pauls 1 3 St Peters 4 2 At least the townlands of your two citations are listed above!! This program actually lists the whole of Ireland but you were interested in just Cork. I would not know how to narrow this list down unless you actually know of the townlands of your ancestors. Bob Trehearne ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARY THOMAS" <coloknight@verizon.net> To: "Cork List" <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: [Cork] Process of elimination...am I off base? > Hi Listers, > I was blessed/cursed with ancestors by the name of O'Sullivan and O'Brien > in Cork. Kind of like Smith and Jones so I thought I'd run a check > against Griffiths. My O'Sullivan was Patrick who married Margaret > O'Brien. They had two sons that I know of for sure....Jeremiah born 1829 > and Patrick born about 1830. I don't know the name of Margaret's father. > > While there are tons of O'Sullivans and O'Briens throughout Cork, I found > only two places where the two families were together. > > There is a John O'Brien in Castle Town Bearhaven, Kilaconenagh and there > is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. > > There is a Jeremiah O'Brien in Ballybeg Middle, Buttevant and again there > is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. > > These are the only two places where the two families lived together...at > least in Cork. Now supposition kicks in. Since there are no Johns that I > know of in the family, I put him on the back burner. Problem is, there > could have been other sons named for Margaret's father and I just haven't > located them yet. > > That leaves Jeremiah O'Brien. According to custom, Patrick and Margaret > would have named their second son after her father (I think that's right.) > but, as far as I know, Jeremiah was their first son. > > Now I'm babbling so I ask...what's my next step? (Other than praying > that it's one of the two and not one of the hundreds) I know virtually > nothing about Patrick and Margaret and their sons married in Massachusetts > rather than Cork so I can't use the maiden names of their wives to narrow > it all down. I'm hoping that, if I can figure out where in Cork Patrick > and Margaret were from, I can find out more about them. > > Help! > > > > > Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Liz, There are still Molans living in Mitchelstown. I'll see what I can find out, remind me again if you don't hear from me. Peter. > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:48:31 +0800 >From: "Liz Darcey" <lizdarcey@primusonline.com.au> >Subject: Molan of Mitchelstown >To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000a01c6f759$f2e10120$486c32d2@BILLSCOMPUTER> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear List > >I have just found that my Molan ancestor came from this town. His name was >John Molan. He emigrated to Australia in 1840 as an 8 year old. His >parents >names were Daniel Molan and Bridget Gallagher. There is also a strong >connection with John Molan and Bridget Fitzgerald who he came with. The >family immigrated to Victoria. > >Would like to find out if there are any Cork records that go back this far. > >Regards to all >Liz >Australia > > _________________________________________________________________ Customise your home page with RSS feeds at MSN Ireland! http://ie.msn.com/

Hi Listers, I was blessed/cursed with ancestors by the name of O'Sullivan and O'Brien in Cork. Kind of like Smith and Jones so I thought I'd run a check against Griffiths. My O'Sullivan was Patrick who married Margaret O'Brien. They had two sons that I know of for sure....Jeremiah born 1829 and Patrick born about 1830. I don't know the name of Margaret's father. While there are tons of O'Sullivans and O'Briens throughout Cork, I found only two places where the two families were together. There is a John O'Brien in Castle Town Bearhaven, Kilaconenagh and there is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. There is a Jeremiah O'Brien in Ballybeg Middle, Buttevant and again there is also a Patrick O'Sullivan. These are the only two places where the two families lived together...at least in Cork. Now supposition kicks in. Since there are no Johns that I know of in the family, I put him on the back burner. Problem is, there could have been other sons named for Margaret's father and I just haven't located them yet. That leaves Jeremiah O'Brien. According to custom, Patrick and Margaret would have named their second son after her father (I think that's right.) but, as far as I know, Jeremiah was their first son. Now I'm babbling so I ask...what's my next step? (Other than praying that it's one of the two and not one of the hundreds) I know virtually nothing about Patrick and Margaret and their sons married in Massachusetts rather than Cork so I can't use the maiden names of their wives to narrow it all down. I'm hoping that, if I can figure out where in Cork Patrick and Margaret were from, I can find out more about them. Help! Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Listers. This is a useful site. Lots of records. Just Google the following. CMCR Project Home Page. Then scroll down to (other county Ireland CMCR Project) click and away you go, it covers many counties other than Cork. John Patrick