I am puzzled by the message from Claire in MA. I am researching my Irish Bransfield family and have visited Dublin so many times that I cannot recall how many. You refer to the Record Office in "Joyce Street" - do you mean "Joyce House in Lombard Street East"? If you do, I am also puzzled about being restricted to five look-ups a day. Please forgive me if they have changed since my last visit (2004) but I paid a fee of 12 euros (I think, or maybe 15) to search all day. You were given three or four volumes (2004 was a long time ago and my memory is fading!), at a time, for the dates you select and I usually manage to cover births, deaths and marriages for about 50 years! Maybe I'm up the wrong street! Best wishes Sheila sunny but cold Kent, UK

Hi Kay & all, Last week I needed to research the Garrycloyne Parish records for a CALLAGHAN client near Blarney, and this is what I did: I called the Mallow Heritage Center (within Ireland) 022-50302 to ask permission to review the Cloyne Diocese records for this CALLAHAN/CALLAGHAN family. They asked if I was looking for my family, which I was. Within 24 hours, they faxed their permission to the National Library of Ireland at 01-661-2523. I think you could specify your needs--for various Cloyne Parish research, for length of time of access, but it is doable. I hope this is helpful. Regards, Candi in California http://www.corbinconnections.com/

I have just received a note from Waterford Museum curator Willie Whelan, who is computer brilliant and so aware of the gap between Irish information and the Irish Americans/Australians/New Zealanders in need of economical Irish resources. I met with Willie in Dungarvan last week and I hope to conspire with him to increase Irish knowledge and resources for us all, via the internet or any way possible. Here is what Willie told me: You have just stumbled across a common problem. A lot of these books are very short run publications produced by a lone individual or small group of enthusiasts. They normally lose money for the person that publishes them. Bookstores outside of the author's locality won't stock them and when they are sold out that is it. They often do not even have ISBN numbers. The best chance you have of sourcing them is to visit abebooks.com . It searches most of the second hand bookshops in the world. We often buy in rare Waterford history books from New Zealand or America using this site. The address is www.abebooks.com I did a quick search and they have many copies of Beara Women talking. They don't appear to have Riobard O'Dwyers book. They don't have the Driscolls book but they have other books by Eamon Lankford They do have a History Of Bandon by Paddy Connolly They have a Bay Of Destiny by Michael J Carroll Hope this is helpful... Regards, Candi in California

I couldn't agree more! Prepare, prepare, prepare!! It pays to research the opening hours of institutions as well, and the bus routes and walking distances etc. Nothing worse than going all that way to find the place is closed on the only day you have free. A folder with copies of documents is useful to 'prove' that the places and people you are researching do/did actually exist. Most places are helpful, especially in the larger centres, but I think the comment regarding heritage centres is probably true. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. PS be sure to pack your Irish luck as well - some discoveries are a result of just that. > Having just returned from a research & discovery trip to Ireland, I want > to share some info I picked up--old lessons rediscovered, it seems. > > My recommendations: > > DO your homework in America (or your homeland) where things are calm, > and believe in your findings. When you don't get an answer that makes > sense in Ireland, keep asking. Nobody will do it as well as you do it > yourself, if you do your homework. > > Examples below: > > 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been captured by the Mormons. I believe that to be NOT > true. Otherwise I would be far more advanced in my family research. I > could copy & study them for relationships and movement, from America. > 2. Another licensed genealogist at NLI told me there were no such > Townlands in Waterford as Ballynaguilke and Clonfadda listed in any of > the library's resources. I have the wills and data from Newfoundland and > we found these same Townlands on Seanruad and a Discovery map after we > left the NLI. However, deciphering the Parish (once called Reiske) now > turned into Dunhill, and finding them on the country roads is an amazing > challenge. Next visit I bring a GPS! > 3. Another knowledgeable Irish person who is expert at the internet and > believes this data should be free----advised us that Heritage Centers > are into it for the income and often staffed by low paid FAS workers who > are not knowledgeable or exactly interested in Irish or family history. > When inquiries come in, they refer to the computer or to established > lists, and provide a quick response for the fee. There is no critical > thinking going on there. I believe this may be true. For certain I know > there are more records out there. > > An Irish detective is hard to find, and to that, I say, rely on yourself > and the older people you meet who are willing to share their history. > And go soon, while the elders are still alive. > > > Regards, > > Candi McCarthy from California > >

This is my limited knowledge of GPS. I bought a handheld Garmin which came with maps that included major roads in the U.S. This little apparatus has a nice sized book, and many menus to go through so I have practiced using it in the car. If you have a good signal it works great and follows your path, gives distance traveled etc. It is a good tool for mapping your way to get back. Every time you turn or hit a fork you can mark a waypoint which you can look for in the opposite direction to find your way back. We purchased it for hiking so trails and off roads are not listed. Also, streets in communities are not listed unless you download the maps. I later purchased the CD which includes trails in the US National Parks West. It was awesome. It showed the trail, the elevation gain/loss, miles traveled, etc. Usually we hike on marked trails so getting lost is not necessarily a problem but it helped out this past summer. Hiking with an overweight and out-of-shape companion and his son in Glacier National Park. We tried to find trails listed as moderate/easy and had the least amount of elevation gain. My husband chooses a trail with a 200 ft. elevation gain over 9 miles. That's nothing. Only problem was that 1000 ft. elevation gain and then a 800 ft. elevation loss. Now our friend is really struggling and it is getting cold and dark. I was getting worried (I could make it there before dark and I wasn't going to sleep with the grizzly bears) and started following the trail with the mouse. I was able to see that we were getting ready to reach our highest elevation and it was all downhill from there. It gave our friend the motivation to start pushing himself and get those crazy ideas about sleeping on the side of the mountain out of his head. After all this I do not know how detailed the map would be for Ireland. I don't think it would give most houses in small townlands but I would recommend contacting one of the GPS manufacturers directly. Our National Park disk even showed "pit toilets" on the trail. I found the Discovery Series Maps to be great but they only cover a small area. If you are looking for a small townland they are awesome. The GPS would at least give you the towns you were approaching so you wouldn't get lost. I did not have time to get in touch with Garmin before leaving for Ireland. I do like to just start driving around and go on little adventures and with the maps we had we never got so lost we couldn't easily find our way back. From my understanding, the GPS uses 3 satellites that do some measurement together to give you an estimate (sometimes within feet) on your present location. If you have 4, you can also get the elevation of your present location. I may not be totally accurate on this information but the more satellite signals you have, the better. Our Michelin map, the map from Dan Dooley car rental (my daughter liked this best), the Discovery Maps of specific areas, and the help of many nice people on the road there was no problem getting around Ireland. Karen It was suggested that a GPS would come in handy finding places in Ireland. How would that work? What sources are there that would give you the GPS coordinates of an individual house on a townland for example? One source I'm aware of is http://www.fallingrain.com/world/EI/ but does that really get down to the level of detail that is needed? -dja ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Candi - 'Beara Woman Talking' is available at Gert O'Sullivan's shop in Castletownbere. The e-mail address is gerti_beara@yahoo.com I purchased this from Gert a month or so ago. The book is published by Mercier Press ISBN 1-85635-417-2 'Bandon 400 Years of History' is available in Bandon bookshops - you might find one on the internet. In the book Paddy's address is given as Clancoolmore, Bandon, County Cork. Telephone number 00353 23 41501 - you might be able to contact him directly Hope this is useful. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand Here is a list of books recommended to me while I was in Ireland. I am having a difficult time finding them. Has anyone a good resource? DUBLIN did not have them! Beara Woman Talking the lore of Peig Minihane ; folklore from the Bara Penisula, Co. Cork / Collected by Tadhg Ò Murchú, edited, arranged and translated by Martin Verling. - Cork : Mercier Press, 2003. - 190 s. ISBN 1-85635-417-2 (h.) DOKID: 03kj12490 Oppstilling: UHS 398.09415 Bea Clonakilty.....A History by Michael J Collins O'Driscolls Past & present by Eamon Lankford A Boy of Destiny by Michael J Carroll Bandon 400 Years of history by Paddy Connolly Regards, Candi in California ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does that mean that the records are at the LDS libraries and not on line. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: researching in Ireland/ LDS REcords > 1. A licensed genealogist at the NLI assured me that ALL the Irish > parish films have been ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3426 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com

Patricia O'Shea <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> said: >It pays to research the opening hours of institutions as well, and the >bus routes and walking distances etc. Nothing worse than going all that >way to find the place is closed on the only day you have free. An essential tool for just this sort of information is Robert K. O'Neill's book "Irish Libraries, Archives, Museums & Genealogical Centres" See http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/rvp/pubaf/chronicle/v11/f13/oneill.html for info. You can order it from Amazon.com or from the Ulster Historical Foundation at http://www.booksireland.org.uk/ -dja

See http://tiara.ie/books.html#stores for a (not necessarily up-to-date) list of Irish Book Stores and Publishers. -dja

It was suggested that a GPS would come in handy finding places in Ireland. How would that work? What sources are there that would give you the GPS coordinates of an individual house on a townland for example? One source I'm aware of is http://www.fallingrain.com/world/EI/ but does that really get down to the level of detail that is needed? -dja

Hi All, I had the pleasure of meeting Candi at the National Library in Dublin. Serendipity? I also agree that preparation and a game plan is essential before visiting Dublin. I looked up the BMD indexes at the LDS before visiting, and it saved time and money. On Joyce Street , the records office, there is a limit of 5 look ups a day for certs and they are strict abouth that! There is a fee to look information up in in the indexes as well as a fee for photocopying a cert. ( I don't know if they include the look up fee in with the photocopy). But, if you have a theory, it is worthwhile to hunt a cert and then dash back to the library to verify the info. I know that you can send to Rosscommon for info, but is was great to be able to get that instant info. On one of the days at the Library, I arrived 15 minutes after they opened....The Microfilm reader room was totally full! Everyone agreed that it was highly unusual, but I had to wait for about an hour before a reader was available. There were computers available with Irish Origins and other programs to do quick look ups, so that was a plus. Hope this helps! Claire in MA

Hi Candi, O'Driscolls Past & present by Eamon Lankford is available online at: http://www.litriocht.com/ -- Cheers, Colin Ferguson

There are very few parish records available for County Mayo through the LDS so that might be a good example of church records that are just not available to the public. Charlie King gg grandson of John Bowe born abt 1820 someplace in Ireland It was written that: It is most likely true, BUT they are forbidden by various Dioceses from making them available to the public., due to copyright issues. There appears to be clear evidence of this in their Library holdings. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

My ancestors came from 3 parishes. Only one of those parish registers was filmed by the LDS - Kilbride Parish in County Roscommon. Kilworth Parish register in County Cork was not filmed. With the help of family in the area and the local pp I was able to obtain pertinent information from that register. Kilmore/Augrim Parish in County Roscommon was not filmed by the LDS. I hired a researcher at NLI to obtain information from that register. There is a site on the net that lists which parish registers were filmed by the LDS. Jeannine N.C. Researching Geary & Feeney in Kilworth Parish -----Original Message----- >From: KaySlainte@aol.com >Sent: Nov 1, 2006 10:12 PM >To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: researching in Ireland/ LDS REcords > >Your local LDS center will order whatever films you find on their website >that pertains to your research. A fee of $5.50 is required and in about 3 weeks >they notify you of it's arrival. So many of the church records are restricted >or cannot be sent to the local centers. > >My mother was born in Youghal and I have visited Ireland often trying to find >records with the help of my cousins. Since the area is in Cloyne parish all >RC church records are restricted. I wrote to Mallow Heritage Center and >received all the B. & M. records for a fee of $85.00 in two weeks time. Without their >help I feel I would still be ordering film. > >My father was born in Strancally, Waterford and they have a grand website >www.waterfordcountylibrary.ie . I found most of my information online. > >Kay > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your local LDS center will order whatever films you find on their website that pertains to your research. A fee of $5.50 is required and in about 3 weeks they notify you of it's arrival. So many of the church records are restricted or cannot be sent to the local centers. My mother was born in Youghal and I have visited Ireland often trying to find records with the help of my cousins. Since the area is in Cloyne parish all RC church records are restricted. I wrote to Mallow Heritage Center and received all the B. & M. records for a fee of $85.00 in two weeks time. Without their help I feel I would still be ordering film. My father was born in Strancally, Waterford and they have a grand website www.waterfordcountylibrary.ie . I found most of my information online. Kay

Candi, Try the Celtic Bookshop in Limerick City at http://www.iol.ie/~celticbk/ Janet On 11/1/06, Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB) <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> wrote: > Here is a list of books recommended to me while I was in Ireland. I am having a difficult time finding them. Has anyone a good resource? DUBLIN did not have them! > > Beara Woman Talking the lore of Peig Minihane ; folklore from the Bara Penisula, Co. Cork / Collected by Tadhg Ò Murchú, edited, arranged and translated by Martin Verling. - Cork : Mercier Press, 2003. - 190 s. ISBN 1-85635-417-2 (h.) DOKID: 03kj12490 Oppstilling: UHS 398.09415 Bea > > Clonakilty.....A History by Michael J Collins > > O'Driscolls Past & present by Eamon Lankford > > A Boy of Destiny by Michael J Carroll > > Bandon 400 Years of history by Paddy Connolly > > Regards, > > Candi in California > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know about the others but you should be able to get the Michael Carroll book directly from him. He runs the Bantry Book Store. I don't have a current email but the mailing address is Bantry Bookshop, Bridge Street, Bantry, County Cork Ireland. By the way, the title is A Bay of Destiny. Laurie -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB) Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:52 PM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: finding books written in Ireland Here is a list of books recommended to me while I was in Ireland. I am having a difficult time finding them. Has anyone a good resource? DUBLIN did not have them! Beara Woman Talking the lore of Peig Minihane ; folklore from the Bara Penisula, Co. Cork / Collected by Tadhg Ò Murchú, edited, arranged and translated by Martin Verling. - Cork : Mercier Press, 2003. - 190 s. ISBN 1-85635-417-2 (h.) DOKID: 03kj12490 Oppstilling: UHS 398.09415 Bea Clonakilty.....A History by Michael J Collins O'Driscolls Past & present by Eamon Lankford A Boy of Destiny by Michael J Carroll Bandon 400 Years of history by Paddy Connolly Regards, Candi in California ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Candi, Where is this parish located? Karen "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> wrote: I haven't done this in a while, so I hope the formatting comes out well. I wanted to share my research findings in Dunmanway parish records from last week. I hope you can decipher the data --the format is at the top. It hardly seems like three hours work, and the long travel to get there, does it? I will soon be posting my finds (and more) onto my website. http://www.corbinconnections.com/ Of course, many of these people are mine, so please contact me if they are yours also. As always, give a shout if you score! Regards, Candi in California Dunmanway Parish Baptisms St Patricks 2006 Date-LDS film #-LDS Vol & Page-Child-Father-Mother-Townland- Sponsors 11 Aug 1837 Timothy to Timothy MCCARTHY & Mary MCCARTHY at Dromdrastil -Cornelius HURLY & Mary CROWLEY May 1838 Ellen to Michael REGAN & Honora MCCARTHY Dromdrastil -Timothy REGAN & Honora MCCARTHY June 1838-Michael to John COLLINS & Ellen DONOVAN at Mileenawing-Timothy COLLINS & Ellen SWEENEY March 1844 Margaret to Con Curly FARRELL & Angel BARRY at Dromdiga -Timothy FARRELL & Mary FARRELL 13 April 1869 Cornelius to Jeremiah FARRELL& Nelly CARROLL at Moneyreague- Jerry MANNING & Margaret COTTER 13 July 1899 101067 V5-193 Ellen to Jeremiah WHITE & Mary MCCARTHY at Dromdrastil -Cornelius LEHEANE & Hanna WHITE 13 Nov 1899 101067 V5-172 Julia to Denis FARRELL& Brigid LEARY Moneyreague -Cornelius FARRELL & Julia FARRELL 14 Nov 1869 Patrick to Patrick DRISCOLL & Mary MAHONEY no Townland-James WALSH & Catherine CROWLEY 14 Oct 1899 Mary to John CARROLL & Mary MCCARTHY Inchafune Richard MILNES & Hanna CARROLL 16 July 1837 Michael to Edward SKUSE & Mary COLLINS Cullinagh Michael COLLINS & Margaret COLLINS 19 April 1899 101067-V5-204 Johanna to Michael WHITE & Mary CULLINANE at Kilronan-Patrick CONNELL & Kate CULLINANE 2 Oct 1899-Daniel to John CARROLL &Mary MCCARTHY at Inchifune-James DRISCOLL & Kate O'NEILL 20 Aug 1899 Mary to Richard WHITE &Mary CRONIN 22 Sept 1899 Thomas to William WHITE & Mary BRADY at AnnPark 23 Aug 1899 Honora to Richard WHITE & Ann HURLEY at Kenrath Richard WHITE & Kate HURLEY 26 Dec 1868 Johanna to Jeremiah FARRELL &Mary DONIHUGH? At Togher -Jerry HURLEY & Julia MCCARTHY 3 Jan 1868 Michael to Thomas DRISCOLL & Mary MAHONEY at Direens-Michael MAHONEY & Johanna BUCKLEY 30 Mar 1869 Margaret to Cornelius FARRELL & Honora MCCARTHY at Moneyreague- Cornelius MANNING & Bridget COAKLEY 6 Oct 1899 101067 V5-171 Jeremiah to John FARRELL & Hanna O'NEIL at Moneyreague-Cornelius FARRELL & Ellen O'NEILL 7 Dec 1868 John to Daniel LORDAN & Catherine CROWLEY at Glaun -Michael LORDAN & Johanna SULLIVAN 7 Oct 1899 Patrick to John LORDAN & Mary MURPHY at Lisheenlea no sponsors 8 April 1838 Mary to Cornelius FARRELL & Johanna REGAN at Moneyreague- Richard MANNING & Margaret REGAN 8 June 1898 -101067- V5-204 James to Denis FARRELL & Bridget LEARY at Moneyreague-John LEARY & Anne FARRELL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com

Hi Candi, I see you've already had some good responses to your query. You might have luck with the TIARA website at <www.tiara.ie>. It has an extensive list of book stores, publishers, etc. Also give Irish Books and Media a try at <http://www.irishbook.com>. Even Amazon is worth a shot. Happy hunting, David Collins Hudson, MA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. finding books written in Ireland (Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)) > > > Subject: > finding books written in Ireland > From: > "Zizek, Candi \(DHS-DCDC-IDB\)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> > Date: > Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:51:39 -0800 > To: > <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > > >Here is a list of books recommended to me while I was in Ireland. I am having a difficult time finding them. Has anyone a good resource? DUBLIN did not have them! > >Beara Woman Talking the lore of Peig Minihane ; folklore from the Bara Penisula, Co. Cork / Collected by Tadhg Ò Murchú, edited, arranged and translated by Martin Verling. - Cork : Mercier Press, 2003. - 190 s. ISBN 1-85635-417-2 (h.) DOKID: 03kj12490 Oppstilling: UHS 398.09415 Bea > >Clonakilty.....A History by Michael J Collins > >O'Driscolls Past & present by Eamon Lankford > >A Boy of Destiny by Michael J Carroll > >Bandon 400 Years of history by Paddy Connolly > >Regards, > >Candi in California > > > > > >

Karen, Ballinterry is a townland in the Barony of Barrymore, the Civil Parish of Gortroe; and the PLU of Fermoy. David Collins Hudson, MA, USA irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Today's Topics: > 3. Re: researching in Ireland (Karen C) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: researching in Ireland > From: > Karen C <karens_roots@yahoo.com> > Date: > Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:42:45 -0800 (PST) > To: > irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > >Great information Candi! > > Regarding the GPS - I do have one but when I was going to Ireland the only download I could find was an entire disk for Europe which cost $100. Way too much for me when I only wanted Ireland. Does anyone know where there is a download of Ireland only for a Garmin GPS? > > Lynch family - found them in Glamorgan, Wales from 1830 - 1870) On one census it lists Daniel LYNCH from Bartholomew, Ballinterry (?), Cork. Pretty sure about the 1st and last part, but does anyone know if the middle is correct or possibly what it could be? > > Any help would be great appreciated. > > Karen > > > > >