Linda, I have a William Stewart married to Esther Hannah c1840 so I guess it is a generation or so before you. We have a book on the Stewarts I will have a look and see if there is any mention of your names. My Mary Connolly married a John Buckley early 1800s ........... I have a Roger Hayes late 1700s married to Margaret O'Shaughnessy had about ten children. Do you know where in Ireland that Mary was born. We have a Mary c1844. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <LindaG2854@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:45 PM Subject: Re: HANNAH / STEWART/ CONNOLLY/ HAYES > Hello, Kaye. My Millington aunts from Scotland married into the Hannah > and ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3426 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com

Hi, Kaye. I'm afraid I am relative new at researching my families (just the past five or six years) and have only been successful through using the LDS and Scotland's People for the info on my maternal grandmother's family from Scotland. The information regarding my Connolly family, my father's family, has just uncovered a Clonakilty location. Michael Connolly m. Mary Hayes, and her parents were James Hayes and Elizabeth Murphy. Since Mary was born in 1857 it would appear that her parents were born abt. 1830's. I have not yet been able to get into the documentation from Ireland as yet; just info from their death certificates or birth of their children. I hope to be able to get a baptismal record/birth record for my grandfather John J. Connolly b. 1878 in Ireland to begin locking down some info. A never ending search! Linda Researching MacDonald/McAulay (PEI, Canada); Millington (Glasgow and Sheffield, England); Paterson, Warnock, Hannah, Stewart, Mooney, Hall, Williamson, Brown (Lanark, Scotland); Connolly, Hayes, Murphy (County Cork) and Hall (County Tyrone Ireland); Boisvert/LaFleur (Quebec, Canada

Linda I just noticed that you have four names that I am connected to. Can you tell me how you are connected to the families please. Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: researching in Ireland/ LDS REcords > Good thoughts. ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3426 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com

Kae Thanks for that information. Kay

Hello, Kaye. My Millington aunts from Scotland married into the Hannah and Stewart families. Helen Millington married James Stewart in 1876 and her sister Lily married John Hannah in 1888. The Millingtons lived in Glasgow, where the Hannahs appear to have been from Ayr and Stewarts from Glasgow as well. My Hayes relations are interesting in that Michael Connolly married Mary Hayes and they emigrated from County Cork abt 1891. John Joseph Connolly married Alice Murphy in 1901 in Boston. Alice's parents were Michael Murphy and Mary Hayes (both born abt 1840; Michael in Boston and Mary in Ireland). Would love it if you could any anything to any of these families. Linda

Sheila Bransfield <Sheila.Bransfield@btinternet.com> said: >I love this list. Could we perhaps remind people to use capital letters >for surnames? I see that most people do but, when scanning emails to see >if they contain information relevant to our own research, it takes much >longer if capitals are not used. Just a thought. I am disinclined to adopt this convention. I, for one, would have little to contribute to this discussion if I was only reading emails that mentioned surnames I was researching. -dja

Good thoughts. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <LindaG2854@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Re: researching in Ireland/ LDS REcords > Hi, Don. William Leatham Williamson came from Scotland abt. 1865 with > his > family from Lanarkshire. They were married according to the regulations > of the > Latter Day Saints. > > His mother appeared to follow as the LDS info gives her date of death > around > 1888. She was Agnes (Fairly) Glover Williamson, married to my > 3xgrandfather, Alexander Williamson. He was first married to Lillias > Brown in 1831 and > married Agnes in 1836. > > Because of the dates of their arrival, I doubt there is a connection here, > but one never knows. I was somewhat surprised to find these relatives as > I > thought my great grandmother and great > grandfather were great adventurers in coming to the states in 1881, but > now > I'm not so sure as it is her mother's brother/half brother who was here 20 > years before. > > Linda > > > Researching MacDonald/McAulay (PEI, Canada); Millington (Glasgow and > Sheffield, England); Paterson, Warnock, Hannah, Stewart, Mooney, Hall, > Williamson, Brown (Lanark, Scotland); Connolly, Hayes, Murphy (County > Cork) and Hall (County Tyrone Ireland); Boisvert/LaFleur (Quebec, Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 > >

Almost always the reason for non-circulating films is because the original, held by Salt Lake City has a copyright or some other restriction placed on it by the owner/author. The LDS buys commercial microfilm, as any of us can do, which has a copyright on it. So they are permitted to use it is their library at SLC, as any library can, but are not permitted to copy it for sending out to the FHC's. They only ever circulate copies of films and fiche, never their originals or the master copies. So any restriction on copying films inevitably means that the FHC will never get it sent to them. The same goes for books they hold at SLC, most are under copyright and have never been filmed. Books are never sent to FHCs because they are the master copies in this case. However if they do hold a book, especially an old book which you would especially like to see, it is well worth putting in a request to have it filmed. You have to wait 6 months or even a year but they do copy it if they can, eventually, and if they can get a copyright release from the owner. Some people who have submitted material place restrictions on copying but later reneg. An example of a restricted film/fiche is all the birth deaths and marriage indexes from New Zealand. It is the NZ Govt which holds the copyright on that. Kae Lewis On Nov 5, 2006, at 4:29 PM, irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: KaySlainte@aol.com > Date: November 5, 2006 4:29:39 PM EST > To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: researching in Ireland/ LDS REcords > Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > > Hi Padraig, > I starting looking through some of the films for non-circulation > but haven't > found any yet. I'll be in the library tomorrow and give it another > try. > > While looking, out of appox. 60 books on the famine, only about 3 > were filmed > and those were about the historical change in population, family and > community. Any info about specific townlands, individuals, and > clearances etc. is > available in book form at SLCity and not filmed. No reason! > > Kay >

Hi Padraig, I starting looking through some of the films for non-circulation but haven't found any yet. I'll be in the library tomorrow and give it another try. While looking, out of appox. 60 books on the famine, only about 3 were filmed and those were about the historical change in population, family and community. Any info about specific townlands, individuals, and clearances etc. is available in book form at SLCity and not filmed. No reason! Kay

Many thanks for that info, Dennis. I should have added that my ancestor was press-ganged in 1803 and he is the only BRANSFIELD listed in Nelson's Navy. I have the others on TNA (The National Archive) list you mention, many of whom bear family names and are probably descendants of Edward's brothers. I love this list. Could we perhaps remind people to use capital letters for surnames? I see that most people do but, when scanning emails to see if they contain information relevant to our own research, it takes much longer if capitals are not used. Just a thought. Many thanks to everyone. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Irish in Royal Navy > > Sheila Bransfield <Sheila.Bransfield@btinternet.com> said: > >>I forgot to mention that, luckily, mine is an uncommon name. There are >>lots of Bransfields in Ireland (mainly Cork and Dungarvan) and loads >>around the world but the one ancestor I am researching was the ONLY >>Bransfield in the British Navy! Celebrations for that! > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/royal-navy-service.asp > has database of Royal Naval Seamen (1873 - 1923) showing birthplace and > dates of service. This database shows eight Bransfields, seven from > County Cork and one from Co. Waterford. > > -dja >

Kay - that's my granddad! Got that one. Thanks Sheila

Hi, Don. William Leatham Williamson came from Scotland abt. 1865 with his family from Lanarkshire. They were married according to the regulations of the Latter Day Saints. His mother appeared to follow as the LDS info gives her date of death around 1888. She was Agnes (Fairly) Glover Williamson, married to my 3xgrandfather, Alexander Williamson. He was first married to Lillias Brown in 1831 and married Agnes in 1836. Because of the dates of their arrival, I doubt there is a connection here, but one never knows. I was somewhat surprised to find these relatives as I thought my great grandmother and great grandfather were great adventurers in coming to the states in 1881, but now I'm not so sure as it is her mother's brother/half brother who was here 20 years before. Linda Researching MacDonald/McAulay (PEI, Canada); Millington (Glasgow and Sheffield, England); Paterson, Warnock, Hannah, Stewart, Mooney, Hall, Williamson, Brown (Lanark, Scotland); Connolly, Hayes, Murphy (County Cork) and Hall (County Tyrone Ireland); Boisvert/LaFleur (Quebec, Canada

"Defiant"? Hardly! It was a reasonable but incorrect assumption on my part. But it does prove, at least in my instance, that 'Assume' can mean "Ass you and me". I keep reminding myself not to make assumptions, especially when the subject is genealogy. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: defiant explanation > > "Pdraig Mr Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> said: > >>Sorry, I assumed anyone who didn't know about the GRO, Dublin and its >>function just had to be a Newbie. That's so basic to Irish research it >>defies any other explanation. > > While one might assume that they would at least know about the GRO, a > researcher whose family all emigrated before 1845 could be forgiven for > not being fully cognizant of its functions. > > -dja

Dear Linda I can't find your address anywhere so I'll do this thro the list. It's taken a while after overworking, a rotten cold and a half term week away, but here is what I found Kelley's Worthing Directory for 1932: 33 Gratwicke Road, Worthing is listed as a hotel: Lingmoor Private Hotel (A.C. Evans & E. Gage proprieters. I would assune that they both, or one of then, worked at the hotel at the time. Did the marriage cert give any clues of occupation? I did also look for Frederick BROWNs and for SULLIVANS. There were a few of each, although but too many to list. Contact me off list, if you would like me to send. Best wishes Gill -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: 27 September 2006 14:19 To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Nellie SULLIVAN Hi Gill, That's very kind of you. Would it be possible for you to find out who else was living at 33, Gratwicke Road in Worthing in 1932 - perhaps from a street directory? That may give me a clue to go on! Many thanks, Linda >From: "gilliananne" <gilliananne.thompson@ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com >To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> >Subject: RE: Nellie SULLIVAN >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:50:35 +0100 > >Hello Linda > >I can't help much with the Irish part, but I live in Worthing. Let me >know if I can look anything up for you here > >Best wishes >Gill > >Looking for Hourihane, Horan, Hourahan from County Cork to Wigan, Lancs >c.1850 > >-----Original Message----- >From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith >Sent: 26 September 2006 16:05 >To: IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com >Subject: Nellie SULLIVAN > > >Hello List, >My name is Linda and I live in Hampshire, England. I have experience in >genealogy but not Irish roots! I'm helping my friend and her mother >(neither of whom have computers) to try >and trace their Irish roots. >All the information we have is as follows: > >Nellie SULLIVAN was born in County Cork about 1906/1907 >She came to England at some point and married Frederick Walter BROWN >on 4th June 1932 at St. Mary of the Angels, Crescent Road, Worthing, >West Sussex. Her father's name is given as John SULLIVAN, a farm >labourer - he was >deceased at the time of her marriage. > >The only other family member known about is Michael SULLIVAN who was >Nellie's brother - no other information is known about him. > >Nellie and Frederick had one child - a daughter Eileen born in 1932 ( >my > >friends mum) who was born in Worthing, West Sussex. > >Can anyone help/advise me with any of this please - they have never >known any of the SULLIVAN family! > >Many thanks. >Linda > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/456 - Release Date: >25/09/2006 > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/456 - Release Date: >25/09/2006 > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/457 - Release Date: 26/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/457 - Release Date: 26/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 04/11/2006

Interestingly, the records from my Williamson family from Scotland can only be accessed with documentation that is approved by the church to establish my relationship, and can only be viewed at Salt Lake. Their unions were "sealed" by proxy, his son was a member of the LDS. The information is not available to local family history centers. There may be many other reasons that records are not available, but that's one. Researching MacDonald/McAulay (PEI, Canada); Millington (Glasgow and Sheffield, England); Paterson, Warnock, Hannah, Stewart, Mooney, Hall, Williamson, Brown (Lanark, Scotland); Connolly, Hayes, Murphy (Clonakilty, C ounty Cork) and Hall (County Tyrone Ireland); Boisvert/LaFleur (Quebec, Canada

Hi Kay, Their website does not explain that some non-restricted films can only be seen at their Salt Lake H.Q. At least, I have never seen such an note. Do you know what type of content these would be , and the reason for non-circulation? ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <KaySlainte@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: researching in Ireland/ LDS REcords > Padraig: > The films that cannot be sent to local FHL's and are not restricted can be > read at Salt Lake City. When you find your film # this information is > listed > under "Notes > Cannot be circulated to family centers". > Kay >

Linda, one of my 3gfathers was Chancey Williamson born 1824 Onondaga County, NY, father John Williamson. Family moved to Ashtabula County Ohio when he was eight years old. As a young man in 1850 he moved to Iowa where he was married and raised a large family. He was for many years a Priest in the revised LDS church in Shelby County Iowa. We don't know what country these Williamson's came from. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <LindaG2854@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: researching in Ireland/ LDS REcords > Interestingly, the records from my Williamson family from Scotland can > only > be accessed with documentation that is approved by the church to establish > my > relationship, and can only be viewed at Salt Lake. Their unions were > "sealed" by proxy, his son was a member of the LDS. The information is > not > available to local family history centers. There may be many other > reasons that > records are not available, but that's one. > > > Researching MacDonald/McAulay (PEI, Canada); Millington (Glasgow and > Sheffield, England); Paterson, Warnock, Hannah, Stewart, Mooney, Hall, > Williamson, Brown (Lanark, Scotland); Connolly, Hayes, Murphy (Clonakilty, > C > ounty > Cork) and Hall (County Tyrone Ireland); Boisvert/LaFleur (Quebec, Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 > >

"Pdraig Mr Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> said: >Sorry, I assumed anyone who didn't know about the GRO, Dublin and its >function just had to be a Newbie. That's so basic to Irish research it >defies any other explanation. While one might assume that they would at least know about the GRO, a researcher whose family all emigrated before 1845 could be forgiven for not being fully cognizant of its functions. -dja

Padraig: The films that cannot be sent to local FHL's and are not restricted can be read at Salt Lake City. When you find your film # this information is listed under "Notes Cannot be circulated to family centers". Kay

Can anybody tell me anything about the "Culleton's Collection"? I have a list of wills for the Becher family (my interest!) headed the Culleton's Collection. It gives a number, date, name, lawyer and page.[It was emailed to me by a contact who got it from another contact....] I have been wondering if these wills are viewable anywhere? If not in full, at least as abstracts? I just noticed this afternoon that another page of assorted snippets [again emailed from sombody else etc] that there is a will abstract from 1762 noted as having come from Culleton's collection, so it must exist somewhere! I would be grateful for any assistance as there are a few will listed from Becher's whose connection to the main tree is not known, so it would be very interesting to read them. As a side issue, one of the wills is from an Abel Harris Becher who died at Waterloo; he was part of a Scottish Highland Regiment. I am puzzled as to why he wasn't in an Irish one? His father was a Michael Becher, deputy Water Bailiff of Cork City who lived in Douglas St Cork city. Thank you, Jenny (Sydney, Australia, Currently raining)