In doing research at the National Library in Dublin last year - for southwest County Cork, I found that the parish priest was often used as a marriage witness. Barbara in St. Louis, Missouri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Fathers as witnesses to marriage On a related note, some time ago when I was looking at microfilms of the parish books for various Drinagh ancestors, I realized that certain names appeared over and over again as witnesses. Was there a tradition of using designated witnesses? Were these the local important men, whose presence conferred some status on the marriage? One clue may be that they often appeared on behalf of persons who were not native to the townland (farm workers or servants)--was this in lieu of unavailable parents or other relatives? Any ideas? Sheila Connolly Middleboro, MA Researching Connolly, Regan, Collins, Williamson **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&n cid=emlcntusyelp00000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On a related note, some time ago when I was looking at microfilms of the parish books for various Drinagh ancestors, I realized that certain names appeared over and over again as witnesses. Was there a tradition of using designated witnesses? Were these the local important men, whose presence conferred some status on the marriage? One clue may be that they often appeared on behalf of persons who were not native to the townland (farm workers or servants)--was this in lieu of unavailable parents or other relatives? Any ideas? Sheila Connolly Middleboro, MA Researching Connolly, Regan, Collins, Williamson **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

Something in Ed's posting made me think - has anybody else noticed that very often in marriages made in the mid 19th century in rural Ireland, and perhaps especially in Munster, the witnesses seemed to be the couple's fathers. This was the case in my family and I wondered if anyone else has come across this at all. Would it be a case of an arranged marriage?? I realise that one has to be careful as there would have been brothers with the same names as the fathers, but I have seen definite cases of fathers acting as witnesses to a marriage, and it seems likely that this is the case with James Donoghue and Honoria Long, i.e. Jeremiah / Dermot Donoghue and John Long. Mary On 24 Feb 2009, at 19:51, [email protected] wrote: > Just re-posting interests in one of my family lines and wondering if > there are any others researching the same area ? > > One of my great grandfathers was Jeremiah Donoghue(Donohue, > Donahue)...the predominant spelling seems to be Donoghue but I've seen > the surname spelled in other ways as well. > > If my research is correct, Jeremiah's parents were James Donoghue and > Honoria(Nora)Long. Thanks to Father John Kennelly, I have the marriage > record of James and Honora. The marriage took place in the Catholic > Church of Causeway on March 4, 1862. Witnesses to the marriage were > John > Long and Jeremiah Donoghue. Apparently, there are two Churches which > form the Parish of Causeway. One is in Ballyduff and the other in > Causeway. Dromartin is closer to Ballyduff but it's not clear which > Church was the site of the marriage. > > James and Honora/Honora/Hanora had at least six children only one of > whom emigrated to the US so far as I've found. My great grandfather > Jeremiah who was born on December 9, 1865 ultimately left Dromartin for > Holyoke, Massachusetts where he met and married my great grandmother, > Catherine Barrett. The other siblings were John, Johanna, Ellen > Margaret > and James. I have the baptismal records of John who was born on April > 12, 1867 and baptized on April 17, 1867 and Margaret who was born on > March 30, 1875 and baptized on April 10, 1875. The sponsors at John's > baptism were Maurice Hussey and Margaret Carroll while the sponsors for > Margaret were Jeremiah Donoghue and Johanna Sheehy. The births of > Ellen(1871), Johanna(1868) and James(1872) are listed in the > IGI(British > Isles). The entire family except for my great grandfather who emigrated > and my great great grandmother( died between 1875 and 1901 as a guess) > are listed in the 1901 census for Ireland as still living in Dromartin. > > I also have the baptismal record of James Donoghue( March 15, 1835) and > the record of Honora Long( August 21, 1836). Parents of James were > listed as Dermot Donoghue and Mary Sullivan and the sponsors were James > and Catherine Cronesberry. Parents listed for Honora were John Long > and > Ellen McCarthy while the sponsor was Gobnait Fitzgerald. > > This is all I know of the Donoghue and Long family. I'd like to know > more about the parents and siblings of my great grandfather and great > grandmother and I'd like to determine whether they remained in Ireland > or if any others of the family emigrated. > > If anyone is researching that area of North Kerry, I'd also like to > hear > from them. > > Thanks in advance... > > Ed O'Connor > Hudson,MA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jack Crowley <[email protected]> said: >(O) Sullivan is a very common name in Cork. There may be a connection but [O]Sullivan is the third most common Irish surname, after Murphy and Kelly. -dja

Great work and very interesting Lots of names still represented in Cork today either in living persons or in placenames -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christina Finn Hunt Sent: 22 February 2009 14:00 To: [email protected] Subject: IGPArchives update Mary Heaphy has just finished transcribing "The Register of the Parish Church of the The Holy Trinity (Christ Church) Cork. 1643-1668" I have split the book into three parts to make it easier to use. You can check it out at: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ (Click on Cork and Church) We are also now taking photographs of people and places eg churches, schools. That kind of thing. http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ So, you don't have to have a whole book to have something to share. Cheers, Christina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a member of the Lawrence History Center and their next genealogy meeting is the following: Lawrence History Center February 2009 Genealogy Meeting February 25, 2009 Guest Speaker, Melinde Lutz Sanborn BU Genealogical Program Director Gather at 6:30PM Speaker to begin at 7:00 pm You won't want to miss this speaker ! "How To Do Genealogy Through Photos" What clues do you look for? How to follow the clues? How to confirm the facts? Bring a photo, bring a friend, bring your questions. See you on the 25th! http://www.lawrencehistorycenter.org/calendar Lawrence History Center - Immigrant City Archives 6 Essex Street Lawrence , MA 01840 978 686 9230 www.lawrencehistory.org Public is welcome. Karen

Hi Heather (O) Sullivan is a very common name in Cork. There may be a connection but there may not. It is unlikely in my mind that the priest was a relative as in most cases people got whoever was serving there. See the list of O'Sullivan priests who served in the Cathedral. O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon William James PP Date of Ordination: 1831 Last Known Appointment: Blackrock O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon Michael Adm Date of Ordination: 24/1/1892 Last Known Appointment: Cathedral O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Patrick (Paddy) PP Date of Ordination: 20/6/1937 Last Known Appointment: Crosshaven O'Sullivan, Rev. Richard J. Date of Ordination: 21/12/1897 Last Known Appointment: Cathedral O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Michael PP VG Date of Ordination: 06/1833 Unfortunately the dates they served there are not given. Would it be possible for you to send me the papers you quote? I may be able glean something from them. My own grandmother was O'Sullivan Her father was baptized Sullivan but died as O'Sullivan. People were very casual about the use of the O. it is often dropped in casual speech but people are very conscious of using it when writing. The use of O and Mc/Mac increased greatly from the mid 1800's onwards as people became better educated and more nationalistic in outlook. It is very common to find O used in some places and not in other places in reference to the same individual. There are common slurs about "taking the soup" etc. that should be completely ignored. I will see if I can photograph the front of the house. I doubt if I could get one of the back garden. I will see hat I can get from other maps. Jack -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather H Sent: 22 February 2009 18:49 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty Hi Jack, Thank You so much for the interesting information/description on the home in question. It gives one a mental picture of the surrounds. Sounds like it may not still be there though whenever I get back to Cork. Is there any wonderful person who lives nearby that could take a photo of the home, (#2 Jamesville, Ballintemple) and if possible, the back gardens, and scan it to me off list?? I would be VERY grateful for same. Next, very interesting re the name O Sullivan. When I look again at the four declaration of passages of Anne (Doherty) Horgan and her three children, I see one of them lists the aunt as M O`Sullivan, the others missing the O in front. I guess the recorders were like the census takers. Not always consistent or accurate. Also, the M on two may be Mrs. Very hard to decipher the writing. On looking again at Anne Doherty and John Horgans marriage certificate, m 1914 at Cathedral of Cork, the person/preist who married them was a M O SULLIVAN and one of the witnesses was DANIEL O SULLIVAN! Maybe there is a connection to O Sullivans that I have not yet uncovered... RE the 1911 census, it will be interesting if the OSullivan s lived at that address then. John Horgan lived at Popes Quay address then and Anne Doherty on Domenick St. in 1911. Again, thank you very much Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:53 AM Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > Hi > I live a mile or so from Ballintemple > A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as > being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the > other houses on the side of the street. > This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City > conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most > part > the front door opens on the street. > These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market > gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in > season. > > I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application > to > knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive > gardens. > > There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named > Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. > > Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite > Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) > > I will keep asking > > The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site > soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance > that > you will be able to find your people there. There was very little mobility > in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living > in > the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. You > can be certain you have living relatives nearby. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Heather H > Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, > Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. > I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to > Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions > on > the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in > country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above > address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from > about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs > Sullivan > may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of > her > Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume > anything. > Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan > through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census > years. > Thanks for any advice > Heather Horgan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again. Jack. will send papers to you off list. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:03 AM Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > Hi Heather > (O) Sullivan is a very common name in Cork. There may be a connection but > there may not. > > It is unlikely in my mind that the priest was a relative as in most cases > people got whoever was serving there. See the list of O'Sullivan priests > who > served in the Cathedral. > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon William James PP > Date of Ordination: 1831 > Last Known Appointment: Blackrock > > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon Michael Adm > Date of Ordination: 24/1/1892 > Last Known Appointment: Cathedral > > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Patrick (Paddy) PP > Date of Ordination: 20/6/1937 > Last Known Appointment: Crosshaven > > > O'Sullivan, Rev. Richard J. > Date of Ordination: 21/12/1897 > Last Known Appointment: Cathedral > > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Michael PP VG > Date of Ordination: 06/1833 > > Unfortunately the dates they served there are not given. > Would it be possible for you to send me the papers you quote? I may be > able > glean something from them. > > My own grandmother was O'Sullivan > Her father was baptized Sullivan but died as O'Sullivan. People were very > casual about the use of the O. it is often dropped in casual speech but > people are very conscious of using it when writing. The use of O and > Mc/Mac > increased greatly from the mid 1800's onwards as people became better > educated and more nationalistic in outlook. It is very common to find O > used > in some places and not in other places in reference to the same > individual. > There are common slurs about "taking the soup" etc. that should be > completely ignored. > > I will see if I can photograph the front of the house. I doubt if I could > get one of the back garden. I will see hat I can get from other maps. > > Jack > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Heather H > Sent: 22 February 2009 18:49 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > Hi Jack, > Thank You so much for the interesting information/description on the home > in question. It gives one a mental picture of the surrounds. Sounds like > it > may not still be there though whenever I get back to Cork. Is there any > wonderful person who lives nearby that could take a photo of the home, (#2 > Jamesville, Ballintemple) and if possible, the back gardens, and scan it > to me off list?? I would be VERY grateful for same. > > Next, very interesting re the name O Sullivan. When I look again at the > four > > declaration of passages of Anne (Doherty) Horgan and her three children, I > see one of them lists the aunt as M O`Sullivan, the others missing the O > in > front. I guess the recorders were like the census takers. Not always > consistent or accurate. Also, the M on two may be Mrs. Very hard to > decipher > > the writing. On looking again at Anne Doherty and John Horgans marriage > certificate, m 1914 at Cathedral of Cork, the person/preist who married > them > > was a M O SULLIVAN and one of the witnesses was DANIEL O SULLIVAN! Maybe > there is a connection to O Sullivans that I have not yet uncovered... > > RE the 1911 census, it will be interesting if the OSullivan s lived at > that > address then. John Horgan lived at Popes Quay address then and Anne > Doherty > on Domenick St. in 1911. > Again, thank you very much Jack! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:53 AM > Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > >> Hi >> I live a mile or so from Ballintemple >> A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as >> being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the >> other houses on the side of the street. >> This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City >> conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most >> part >> the front door opens on the street. >> These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market >> gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in >> season. >> >> I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application >> to >> knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive >> gardens. >> >> There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named >> Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. >> >> Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite >> Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) >> >> I will keep asking >> >> The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site >> soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance >> that >> you will be able to find your people there. There was very little >> mobility >> in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living >> in >> the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. >> You >> can be certain you have living relatives nearby. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Heather H >> Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 >> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty >> >> Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, >> Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. >> I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to >> Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions >> on >> the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in >> country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above >> address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from >> about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs >> Sullivan >> may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of >> her >> Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume >> anything. >> Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan >> through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census >> years. >> Thanks for any advice >> Heather Horgan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Cathy - did your sister actually go to Newbridge? (Kildare I think). There is a website for store there which might help. http://www.newbridgesilverware.com/ There are pictures of a number of watches so you might even see your 'model' there!! Hope this helps, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: off subect > Hi All, > Once again I come to you for help. > > My sister bought a Connamara Marble Bead Watch for me for Christmas. I did > not put it on until my birthday last week.? However, when I went to put it > on the back cover came off and I am unable to put it back on... > > Guess, you are wondering why I am telling you all this!!? Well, > unfortunately they only receipt she can find is the credit card bill - > (she does not remember where she ordered the watch from) > > On the bill it says - IRISH-ROOTS.NET NEWBRIDGE? and then the exchange > rate. > > Does ANYONE have any idea if the Irish-Roots site has a gift center where > she could have purchased the watch?? > > I would be most grateful. > > Thanks, > Cathy

Hi I live a mile or so from Ballintemple A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the other houses on the side of the street. This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most part the front door opens on the street. These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in season. I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application to knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive gardens. There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) I will keep asking The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance that you will be able to find your people there. There was very little mobility in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living in the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. You can be certain you have living relatives nearby. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather H Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions on the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs Sullivan may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of her Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume anything. Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census years. Thanks for any advice Heather Horgan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jack, Thank You so much for the interesting information/description on the home in question. It gives one a mental picture of the surrounds. Sounds like it may not still be there though whenever I get back to Cork. Is there any wonderful person who lives nearby that could take a photo of the home, (#2 Jamesville, Ballintemple) and if possible, the back gardens, and scan it to me off list?? I would be VERY grateful for same. Next, very interesting re the name O Sullivan. When I look again at the four declaration of passages of Anne (Doherty) Horgan and her three children, I see one of them lists the aunt as M O`Sullivan, the others missing the O in front. I guess the recorders were like the census takers. Not always consistent or accurate. Also, the M on two may be Mrs. Very hard to decipher the writing. On looking again at Anne Doherty and John Horgans marriage certificate, m 1914 at Cathedral of Cork, the person/preist who married them was a M O SULLIVAN and one of the witnesses was DANIEL O SULLIVAN! Maybe there is a connection to O Sullivans that I have not yet uncovered... RE the 1911 census, it will be interesting if the OSullivan s lived at that address then. John Horgan lived at Popes Quay address then and Anne Doherty on Domenick St. in 1911. Again, thank you very much Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:53 AM Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > Hi > I live a mile or so from Ballintemple > A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as > being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the > other houses on the side of the street. > This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City > conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most > part > the front door opens on the street. > These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market > gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in > season. > > I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application > to > knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive > gardens. > > There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named > Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. > > Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite > Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) > > I will keep asking > > The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site > soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance > that > you will be able to find your people there. There was very little mobility > in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living > in > the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. You > can be certain you have living relatives nearby. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Heather H > Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, > Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. > I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to > Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions > on > the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in > country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above > address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from > about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs > Sullivan > may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of > her > Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume > anything. > Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan > through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census > years. > Thanks for any advice > Heather Horgan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary Heaphy has just finished transcribing "The Register of the Parish Church of the The Holy Trinity (Christ Church) Cork. 1643-1668" I have split the book into three parts to make it easier to use. You can check it out at: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ (Click on Cork and Church) We are also now taking photographs of people and places eg churches, schools. That kind of thing. http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ So, you don't have to have a whole book to have something to share. Cheers, Christina

Hi All, Once again I come to you for help. My sister bought a Connamara Marble Bead Watch for me for Christmas. I did not put it on until my birthday last week.? However, when I went to put it on the back cover came off and I am unable to put it back on... Guess, you are wondering why I am telling you all this!!? Well, unfortunately they only receipt she can find is the credit card bill - (she does not remember where she ordered the watch from) On the bill it says - IRISH-ROOTS.NET NEWBRIDGE? and then the exchange rate. Does ANYONE have any idea if the Irish-Roots site has a gift center where she could have purchased the watch?? I would be most grateful. Thanks, Cathy

Dear listers. Having just checked in to look at Kate's website I find that she passed away on 12th Feb this year. There is a message on the site to say that as far as possible it will be maintained. http://home.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/index.htm Many of us have been helped greatly by Kate's work and I am enormously sad to hear that she is no longer with us. Her work will live on. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand

Barbara, I have Sheehans from Mitchelstown in Cork ... are they near ? Maree Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Bouchey To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: RE: Collins and Regan in Co. Cork I have Sheehans from Drinagh (north of Skibbereen) and O'Regans from Gurteenroe (a little west of Skibbereen) in my family tree . Ellen Walsh, born ca 1843, of Skeagh Skibbereen married John Sheehan of Drinagh ca 1865. They had 10/11 children - I know of two nuns, and a son, Thomas. Ellen Harrington, born ca 1900, of Kilkilleen, Lisheen, Skibbereen, married Timothy O'Regan of Gurteenroe in the 1920s. Anyone have any connections? Barbara in St. Louis, Missouri USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Collins and Regan in Co. Cork I have a William Regan of Drinagh West (north of Skibbereen) married to a Bridget Collins. One source says they were married in 1821, but the earliest birth of a child that I have found so far is 1837. I'm descended from their daughter Bridget. That's all the information I have for either of them. Sheila Connolly Middleboro, MA USA **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt p://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Sheehans from Drinagh (north of Skibbereen) and O'Regans from Gurteenroe (a little west of Skibbereen) in my family tree . Ellen Walsh, born ca 1843, of Skeagh Skibbereen married John Sheehan of Drinagh ca 1865. They had 10/11 children - I know of two nuns, and a son, Thomas. Ellen Harrington, born ca 1900, of Kilkilleen, Lisheen, Skibbereen, married Timothy O'Regan of Gurteenroe in the 1920s. Anyone have any connections? Barbara in St. Louis, Missouri USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Collins and Regan in Co. Cork I have a William Regan of Drinagh West (north of Skibbereen) married to a Bridget Collins. One source says they were married in 1821, but the earliest birth of a child that I have found so far is 1837. I'm descended from their daughter Bridget. That's all the information I have for either of them. Sheila Connolly Middleboro, MA USA **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt p://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jack, Checking the Irish BMD I think there is a distinct difference between Spearing & Spearin, maybe one is Catholic and the other is Protestant. I have come accross this before, the Protestant Murphy's in Tralee decided in the later census of the 1800's or is it Censi to call themselves Morphy to distinguish themselves, I have photo's of their headstones in Ballyseedy C of I cemetery. I think in the Luke Spearman case it was a transcription error, a one off Check the different spellings here, they give different results http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347 Brendan ----- "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> wrote: > Andrew Spearing was Mayor of Cork in 1835. The date tells that he was > a > protestant, probably Church of Ireland. > At that the local government in Cork was controlled by the Freemen of > the > City. They were self perpetuating body who dished out all the > appointment, > jobs and sinecures paid for out the City Purse. The Freemen did > include a > minority of Catholics. The Freemen were in turn controlled by "The > Friendly > Club". This was a group controlled by certain merchant families such > as > Besnard, Perrier etc. they looked after themselves very well until > the > system was reformed about 1841. That was the end of that but the > influence > of these men continued for a very long time. They held various > appointments > such as magistrates. Police Court was well down the line. > > You may 100% sure that Andrew was a member of "The Friendly Club" ans > was > also probably a freemason. > > Read on from Cork City Council website > > Municipal Government in the Nineteenth Century > The Protestant gentry, aristocracy and professional classes had > dominated > Cork Corporation since the late 17 th century. Although there were > divisions > between the landed Protestant gentry from the county and their > co-religionists from the city who were engaged in commerce and > trading, the > Protestant interest had controlled Cork Corporation since the > mid-seventeenth century, excepting the brief period of Jacobite rule > during > the 1680s. In the early 19 th century and right up to the first local > elections after the reforming legislation of 1840, Cork Corporation > was > effectively controlled by members of 'The Friendly Club', a clique > which > consisted exclusively of members of wealthy Protestant families. 'The > Friendly Club' itself was dominated by members of the Perrier, Besnard > and > Gibbings families. Ian d'Alton, a leading authority on 19 th century > Protestant Society in Cork has described the pre-1841 Cork Corporation > as 'a > large and well-run patronage operation. Its principal function was to > supply > a small group of interconnected families with offices of profit and > honour.' > The wealthy Catholics chafed at being excluded from political power > and > campaigned against their exclusion at both national and local levels. > The > Municipal Corporations ( Ireland ) Act (1840) marked the end of > Protestant > domination of Cork Corporation. The local elections held in October > 1841 > returned a Catholic majority which elected a Catholic mayor. For the > first > time in almost two centuries the Catholic merchant class was the > dominant > political class in Cork City . The change in the political power > structure > did little to help Catholics or Protestants among the working class > who > continued to 'enjoy' poor housing, unemployment and poor wages. While > the > trade union movement put down strong roots in Cork during the century, > much > of the political energy of the working class went into the great > national > question of self-government for Ireland. Municipal government in > Ireland was > reformed again with the passing of the Local Government ( Ireland ) > Act of > 1898. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Dennis Ahern > Sent: 16 February 2009 17:13 > To: Margaret Spearin > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Mallow] Spearin Spearing and variants > > > On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Margaret Spearin wrote: > > > I am a Spearin from Limerick and am having trouble linking my > Spearin > > family to other Spearin familys here. I am thinking my Spearin > Spearing > > family came from Cork. Any help appreciated on this. I have Luke b > 1833 > > but cant find where he was born. He died in Limerick in 1900 > > Here are two Spearings from the Irish death notice database on the > IrelandOldNews.com website > > SPEARING, Joseph; 49; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1864-7-18; > dja > SPEARING, William "son of late Francis"; ; Cork City COR IRL; Cork > Examiner; 1865-1-28; dja > > Also see http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cork/1847/MAR.html#19 for a > news > report in which a Spearing appears to be sitting as a magistrate in a > Cork > Police Court. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andrew Spearing was Mayor of Cork in 1835. The date tells that he was a protestant, probably Church of Ireland. At that the local government in Cork was controlled by the Freemen of the City. They were self perpetuating body who dished out all the appointment, jobs and sinecures paid for out the City Purse. The Freemen did include a minority of Catholics. The Freemen were in turn controlled by "The Friendly Club". This was a group controlled by certain merchant families such as Besnard, Perrier etc. they looked after themselves very well until the system was reformed about 1841. That was the end of that but the influence of these men continued for a very long time. They held various appointments such as magistrates. Police Court was well down the line. You may 100% sure that Andrew was a member of "The Friendly Club" ans was also probably a freemason. Read on from Cork City Council website Municipal Government in the Nineteenth Century The Protestant gentry, aristocracy and professional classes had dominated Cork Corporation since the late 17 th century. Although there were divisions between the landed Protestant gentry from the county and their co-religionists from the city who were engaged in commerce and trading, the Protestant interest had controlled Cork Corporation since the mid-seventeenth century, excepting the brief period of Jacobite rule during the 1680s. In the early 19 th century and right up to the first local elections after the reforming legislation of 1840, Cork Corporation was effectively controlled by members of 'The Friendly Club', a clique which consisted exclusively of members of wealthy Protestant families. 'The Friendly Club' itself was dominated by members of the Perrier, Besnard and Gibbings families. Ian d'Alton, a leading authority on 19 th century Protestant Society in Cork has described the pre-1841 Cork Corporation as 'a large and well-run patronage operation. Its principal function was to supply a small group of interconnected families with offices of profit and honour.' The wealthy Catholics chafed at being excluded from political power and campaigned against their exclusion at both national and local levels. The Municipal Corporations ( Ireland ) Act (1840) marked the end of Protestant domination of Cork Corporation. The local elections held in October 1841 returned a Catholic majority which elected a Catholic mayor. For the first time in almost two centuries the Catholic merchant class was the dominant political class in Cork City . The change in the political power structure did little to help Catholics or Protestants among the working class who continued to 'enjoy' poor housing, unemployment and poor wages. While the trade union movement put down strong roots in Cork during the century, much of the political energy of the working class went into the great national question of self-government for Ireland. Municipal government in Ireland was reformed again with the passing of the Local Government ( Ireland ) Act of 1898. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Ahern Sent: 16 February 2009 17:13 To: Margaret Spearin Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Mallow] Spearin Spearing and variants On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Margaret Spearin wrote: > I am a Spearin from Limerick and am having trouble linking my Spearin > family to other Spearin familys here. I am thinking my Spearin Spearing > family came from Cork. Any help appreciated on this. I have Luke b 1833 > but cant find where he was born. He died in Limerick in 1900 Here are two Spearings from the Irish death notice database on the IrelandOldNews.com website SPEARING, Joseph; 49; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1864-7-18; dja SPEARING, William "son of late Francis"; ; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1865-1-28; dja Also see http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cork/1847/MAR.html#19 for a news report in which a Spearing appears to be sitting as a magistrate in a Cork Police Court. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are 4 very distinct Spearin clusters according to births 1830-1900 Ireland. Rathkeale, Co.Limerick Croom, Co. Limerick Fermoy, Co. Cork Dublin Brendan ----- "Dennis Ahern" <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Margaret Spearin wrote: > > > I am a Spearin from Limerick and am having trouble linking my > Spearin > > family to other Spearin familys here. I am thinking my Spearin > Spearing > > family came from Cork. Any help appreciated on this. I have Luke b > 1833 > > but cant find where he was born. He died in Limerick in 1900 > > Here are two Spearings from the Irish death notice database on the > IrelandOldNews.com website > > SPEARING, Joseph; 49; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1864-7-18; > dja > SPEARING, William "son of late Francis"; ; Cork City COR IRL; Cork > Examiner; 1865-1-28; dja > > Also see http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cork/1847/MAR.html#19 for a > news > report in which a Spearing appears to be sitting as a magistrate in a > Cork > Police Court. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret / Dennis I see where you are having the problem, Luke's death in 1900 in Limerick is recorded SPEARMAN, he was born 1833, does not give place of birth Brendan ----- "Dennis Ahern" <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Margaret Spearin wrote: > > > I am a Spearin from Limerick and am having trouble linking my > Spearin > > family to other Spearin familys here. I am thinking my Spearin > Spearing > > family came from Cork. Any help appreciated on this. I have Luke b > 1833 > > but cant find where he was born. He died in Limerick in 1900 > > Here are two Spearings from the Irish death notice database on the > IrelandOldNews.com website > > SPEARING, Joseph; 49; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1864-7-18; > dja > SPEARING, William "son of late Francis"; ; Cork City COR IRL; Cork > Examiner; 1865-1-28; dja > > Also see http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cork/1847/MAR.html#19 for a > news > report in which a Spearing appears to be sitting as a magistrate in a > Cork > Police Court. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message