IFS is the former name of what now is known as the Republic Of Ireland. This comprises the 26 counties that left the United Kingdom in 1922. In any event it is unlikely that a Fitzgerald would have hailed from the 6 counties of Northern Ireland that remain in the UK. The name is found mostly in the southern counties -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patricia O'Shea Sent: 18 March 2009 03:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: " Irish Free State" Meaning Hi Chris - as far as I understand this was the name for what is now the Republic of Ireland (Southern Ireland.) Does not narrow things all that much I'm afraid!! Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. Subject: " Irish Free State" Meaning > Would some kind soul let me know what this means? > > In the 1930 census my great uncle states " Father/ Mother- Irish Free > State- > Not sure if that would help to pin down area or not. > > Thank you all for your past help with my Fitzgerald's. > > > Chris > > > HAPPY ST PATRICK"S DAY ALL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I need to do more research. I wanted a Baptism on one of the girls or a marriage record. I have no idea where they were from in Cork. I was hoping since only 2 David Smith's showed up on Griffiths I might get lucky. This is my biggest brick wall. I so wish all of Cork had a heritage centre like Mallow. Thanks for the help. Jan loved the TIARA piece! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kenney Fortado" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: re: Mallow records > In addition, if your family WAS from the diocese of Cloyne, there were > many > parishes where records were not kept as far back as 1825. If there is no > marriage for David or for Johanna in the general time frame of 1825, > chances > are it doesn't exist. If you are not sure they were married in the Diocese > of Cloyne, that is another story. > > If you know in what parish David and Johanna raised their family, you > might > want to keep in mind that couples were married in the bride's parish so > they > could have been married in a parish that was different from the one where > they raised their family. > > Good luck! > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In addition, if your family WAS from the diocese of Cloyne, there were many parishes where records were not kept as far back as 1825. If there is no marriage for David or for Johanna in the general time frame of 1825, chances are it doesn't exist. If you are not sure they were married in the Diocese of Cloyne, that is another story. If you know in what parish David and Johanna raised their family, you might want to keep in mind that couples were married in the bride's parish so they could have been married in a parish that was different from the one where they raised their family. Good luck! Jan

Would some kind soul let me know what this means? In the 1930 census my great uncle states " Father/ Mother- Irish Free State- Not sure if that would help to pin down area or not. Thank you all for your past help with my Fitzgerald's. Chris HAPPY ST PATRICK"S DAY ALL

The USA census had people distinguish between what we now call the Republic of Ireland, which they referred to as the Irish Free State, and northern Ireland. Unfortunately for you, that includes many counties. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: " Irish Free State" Meaning > Would some kind soul let me know what this means? > > In the 1930 census my great uncle states " Father/ Mother- Irish Free > State- > Not sure if that would help to pin down area or not. > > Thank you all for your past help with my Fitzgerald's. > > > Chris

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: " Irish Free State" Meaning > Would some kind soul let me know what this means? > > In the 1930 census my great uncle states " Father/ Mother- Irish Free > State- > Not sure if that would help to pin down area or not. That's what is now the Republic of Ireland, as opposed to Northern Ireland (UK).

Hi Helen - I would say 'yes' they are, Mallow is part of the IFHF network of Heritage Centres. As you may know, their records do not cover the whole of Co Cork so if your people were outside their coverage area then they won't show up on the Mallow/IFHF search site. Hope this is useful. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Subject: Mallow records > Dear list, > > Does anybody know if the pay per view records on the IFHF site are the > same records that the Mallow Centre keeps? I am looking for a marriage in > Cork -- David Smith, Johanna Dempsey circa 1825. I did not see any years > that were the same when I searched for a marriage on the 2 names. > I hate to have Mallow do a full blown search if it is the same data. I > have very little information on them and did not want to use Eneclann > until I can dig up a little more data. > Thanks for any help. > Helen

Dear list, Does anybody know if the pay per view records on the IFHF site are the same records that the Mallow Centre keeps? I am looking for a marriage in Cork -- David Smith, Johanna Dempsey circa 1825. I did not see any years that were the same when I searched for a marriage on the 2 names. I hate to have Mallow do a full blown search if it is the same data. I have very little information on them and did not want to use Eneclann until I can dig up a little more data. Thanks for any help. Helen

Hello again, Sorry, you are correct it's a Birth Index. Joan _http://www.irelandgenweb.com/BirthIndex/BirthIndex1864-F.htm_ (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/BirthIndex/BirthIndex1864-F.htm) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

I think you will find these are birth records being transcribed by volunteers as I understand it - they are not census records. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Subject: Irl-cork Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 > Hello, > > This website will take you to the 1864 census records for all of Ireland. > > _http://www.irelandgenweb.com/_ (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/) > > Joan (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/) (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/)

Hi Chris - welcome to Irish research! Unfortunately very few Irish census records have survived - only statistical abstracts in some cases and a very few fragments of fuller information. There are no nationwide census records available until 1901 and 1911. Prior to that it is necessary to have a few clues on location and a good helping of Irish luck. There are many helpful websites and lots of helpful people on these lists. I had a quick look at the Irish Family History site but did not see any entries matching these. http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/ You can also search the Civil Registrations online at http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347 Click on Europe then scroll down to Ireland. As some of the children were born after 1864 you may be able to find something there. I checked the BIVR CDs but did not see any matching entries for your folk. I hope this gives you an idea of some of the resources which do exist - there are also a number of useful books on Irish research, including 'Tracing Your Irish Ancestors' by John Grenham. I believe that for US Irish it is a good idea to assemble as much information as possible from documents in America as that often provides the clue you need. Best wishes and keep asking questions!! Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. Subject: Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left Ireland forUSA) > Hi all, > Living in the USA not sure how your census are set up. I belong to > Ancestry.com just not the world addition. > I was wondering if some kind soul has access to census records in Ireland > possibly between 1858 to 1873? > My gggrandfather was born in 1868 Joseph Fitzgerald <snip> I am trying to find where in Ireland they came from so I can then begin to > close in on getting some information to expand my information on the > Fitzgeralds. > > Thank you for taking the time to read this. > > Chris Fitzgerald- USA- New Jersey. >

I have been looking for them under the different resources, but I cannot find them, that is not to say that they are not there, I have been concentrating on Cork, but they may come up under a different county. Brendan ----- "David Collins" <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > > Pre 1901 Irish Census records don't exist for various reasons. The > fact that the Fitzgeralds emigrated from Queenstown (Cobh) n > necessarily proof that they were from Cork, but it may indicate that > > they were from a nearby county - Waterford, Kerry, etc. > > Civil Registration began in 1864, so your best bet is to search the > birth indexes in various countie for Mary, Richard, Sarah, and Joseph > > at http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html. > > If you find the information, contact the GRO at > <http://www.groireland.ie/ > >. > > > > Good hunting, > > David Collins > Hudson, MA, USA > > > > > > 8. Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left > > Ireland for USA) (Chris Evans) > > > > > > > > From: Chris Evans <[email protected]> > > Date: 13 March 2009 01:20:38 EDT > > To: <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left > > > Ireland for USA) > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > > > Hi all, > > Living in the USA not sure how your census are set up. I belong to > > > Ancestry.com just not the world addition. > > I was wondering if some kind soul has access to census records in > > Ireland possibly between 1858 to 1873? > > My gggrandfather was born in 1868 Joseph Fitzgerald > > He had a twin Sarah . > > > > It is possible they are the children of James and Mary Fitzgerald. > > I am looking at a passenger list showing the following > > > > Sailed April 13, 1873- Queenstown to New York > > > > James - Age 45- Laborer > > Mary- Age 32 > > > > James age 15 Abty 1858 > > Richard age 4 Abt 1869 > > Mary about 1864 > > Joseph and Sarah about 1868. > > > > So it is possible they may appear on a census some time between 1858 > > > ( Richard was born ) and 1873 when they left Ireland. > > > > I am trying to find where in Ireland they came from so I can then > > begin to close in on getting some information to expand my > > information on the Fitzgeralds. > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this. > > > > Chris Fitzgerald- USA- New Jersey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To contact the IRL-CORK list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the IRL-CORK mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > . > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > Chris, your best option is to search for civil birth registration records > at the LDS pilot website for the children: Richard age 4 Abt 1869 Mary about 1864 Joseph and Sarah about 1868. > > > 1. Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left > Ireland forUSA) (Sharon Haggerty) > > You hope to find your names all born in the same location, and hope that the years are correct. I would also seek the father's naturalization records about 7 years at least, after her arrived in USA. Good Luck, Candi in CA.

Hello, This website will take you to the 1864 census records for all of Ireland. _http://www.irelandgenweb.com/_ (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/) Joan (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/) (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Chris, Pre 1901 Irish Census records don't exist for various reasons. The fact that the Fitzgeralds emigrated from Queenstown (Cobh) n necessarily proof that they were from Cork, but it may indicate that they were from a nearby county - Waterford, Kerry, etc. Civil Registration began in 1864, so your best bet is to search the birth indexes in various countie for Mary, Richard, Sarah, and Joseph at http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html. If you find the information, contact the GRO at <http://www.groireland.ie/ >. > > Good hunting, David Collins Hudson, MA, USA > > 8. Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left > Ireland for USA) (Chris Evans) > > > > From: Chris Evans <[email protected]> > Date: 13 March 2009 01:20:38 EDT > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left > Ireland for USA) > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Hi all, > Living in the USA not sure how your census are set up. I belong to > Ancestry.com just not the world addition. > I was wondering if some kind soul has access to census records in > Ireland possibly between 1858 to 1873? > My gggrandfather was born in 1868 Joseph Fitzgerald > He had a twin Sarah . > > It is possible they are the children of James and Mary Fitzgerald. > I am looking at a passenger list showing the following > > Sailed April 13, 1873- Queenstown to New York > > James - Age 45- Laborer > Mary- Age 32 > > James age 15 Abty 1858 > Richard age 4 Abt 1869 > Mary about 1864 > Joseph and Sarah about 1868. > > So it is possible they may appear on a census some time between 1858 > ( Richard was born ) and 1873 when they left Ireland. > > I am trying to find where in Ireland they came from so I can then > begin to close in on getting some information to expand my > information on the Fitzgeralds. > > Thank you for taking the time to read this. > > Chris Fitzgerald- USA- New Jersey. > > > > > > > > To contact the IRL-CORK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-CORK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hi Jack Please feel free to write to me at [email protected] if you require Hobart info. Dr. Edward Guest Hobart, Ted, and my mother, his 2nd cousin, corresponded for many, many years and I still have some of his letters. Mum visited him at Blackrock on her only trip to Ireland, in 1976. My gt.gt grandfather Dr. Richard Hobart was Dr. Samuel Hobart's brother. Sam had rooms at South Mall and Richard worked at and out of Kilfinane. Cheers, Judie, Victoria, Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:33 AM Subject: RE: Parish Records for Cork > Hi > I am interested in the name Hobart. > The late Dr Ted Hobart lived near me. He died sometime in the 1990's. I > think he was aged over 90. He was a widower without children. > He was the 4th generation of medical men, that I know of, in his family in > Cork. The medical line goes back to the 1820's. I have a miniature > painting of Dr Sam Hobart dating from about 1830. > Ted's mother was Edith Guest Lane. She was a first cousin of Sir Hugh > Lane, the famous art collector etc who went down on the Lusitania in 1915. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Judith > Sent: 12 March 2009 03:44 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Parish Records for Cork > > Hi Jenny, > > This record is actually for John Jackson, to whom I was replying. > > I'm sure he will read it on this list anway. > > Just for the record, I too have purchased a record from this source, for > John Richard Blake's marriage (to Alice.) Under Alice's father's name was > typed "Hobart." I knew this was incorret because Alice Thornhill and Dr. > Richard Hobart were my gt.gt. grandparents.....and so of course Alice was > a > widow when she married John Richard Blake. I then purchased a copy of the > actual marriage certificate from the G.R.O which gave the correct > information - John Richard Blake m. Alice Hobart, widow. I think if it is > possible, then it's best to have the original certificate. I'm not > knocking > the IFHF because it's a great site, but If I hadn't already known the > facts > I may have followed the wrong person for years, or forever! > > Thanks, > Judie. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny Martin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:40 PM > Subject: Parish Records for Cork > > > > Hi Judy, > > You will have to spend €5 euros but look what is on this site after > putting > STEFF only into search engine. > I have purchased one of these before and the parents, occupation, address > was listed. > > The site is http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com > > Here is what I got back: > > Action Source Surname First Name Year County > Church Marriage Steff Mary Anne 1845 Co. Roscommon > Church Marriage Steff Alice 1883 Co. Meath > > Regards > Jenny (NZ) > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jack, This is a pilot site and free to search http://pilot.familysearch.org Regards Jenny (New Zealand) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Keating Sent: Friday, 13 March 2009 8:16 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Parish Records for Cork How do Iget access to the" Family Search pilot study"? Thanks Jack

hello, i found JAMES FITZGERALD-45-LABOR MARY FITZGERALD-32- WIFE JAMES -15-LABOR RICHARD-4-CHILD MARY-9- CHILD JOSEPH-5-CHILD SARAH-5-CHILD April 14, 1873, on the ship SPAIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Haggerty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:52 AM Subject: Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left IrelandforUSA) > The census records for Ireland prior to 1900 were destroyed in "the > troubles" in 1922--1901 and 1911 are now available. tkhey are beginning to > put 1911 online--so far 3 counties are available--Cork is not among them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Evans" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:20 PM > Subject: Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left Ireland > forUSA) > > >> Hi all, >> Living in the USA not sure how your census are set up. I belong to >> Ancestry.com just not the world addition. >> I was wondering if some kind soul has access to census records in >> Ireland >> possibly between 1858 to 1873? >> My gggrandfather was born in 1868 Joseph Fitzgerald >> He had a twin Sarah . >> >> It is possible they are the children of James and Mary Fitzgerald. >> I am looking at a passenger list showing the following >> >> Sailed April 13, 1873- Queenstown to New York >> >> James - Age 45- Laborer >> Mary- Age 32 >> >> James age 15 Abty 1858 >> Richard age 4 Abt 1869 >> Mary about 1864 >> Joseph and Sarah about 1868. >> >> So it is possible they may appear on a census some time between 1858 ( >> Richard was born ) and 1873 when they left Ireland. >> >> I am trying to find where in Ireland they came from so I can then begin >> to >> close in on getting some information to expand my information on the >> Fitzgeralds. >> >> Thank you for taking the time to read this. >> >> Chris Fitzgerald- USA- New Jersey. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi all, Living in the USA not sure how your census are set up. I belong to Ancestry.com just not the world addition. I was wondering if some kind soul has access to census records in Ireland possibly between 1858 to 1873? My gggrandfather was born in 1868 Joseph Fitzgerald He had a twin Sarah . It is possible they are the children of James and Mary Fitzgerald. I am looking at a passenger list showing the following Sailed April 13, 1873- Queenstown to New York James - Age 45- Laborer Mary- Age 32 James age 15 Abty 1858 Richard age 4 Abt 1869 Mary about 1864 Joseph and Sarah about 1868. So it is possible they may appear on a census some time between 1858 ( Richard was born ) and 1873 when they left Ireland. I am trying to find where in Ireland they came from so I can then begin to close in on getting some information to expand my information on the Fitzgeralds. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Chris Fitzgerald- USA- New Jersey.

The census records for Ireland prior to 1900 were destroyed in "the troubles" in 1922--1901 and 1911 are now available. tkhey are beginning to put 1911 online--so far 3 counties are available--Cork is not among them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Census Records for James Fitzgerald 1828- 1873 ( left Ireland forUSA) > Hi all, > Living in the USA not sure how your census are set up. I belong to > Ancestry.com just not the world addition. > I was wondering if some kind soul has access to census records in Ireland > possibly between 1858 to 1873? > My gggrandfather was born in 1868 Joseph Fitzgerald > He had a twin Sarah . > > It is possible they are the children of James and Mary Fitzgerald. > I am looking at a passenger list showing the following > > Sailed April 13, 1873- Queenstown to New York > > James - Age 45- Laborer > Mary- Age 32 > > James age 15 Abty 1858 > Richard age 4 Abt 1869 > Mary about 1864 > Joseph and Sarah about 1868. > > So it is possible they may appear on a census some time between 1858 ( > Richard was born ) and 1873 when they left Ireland. > > I am trying to find where in Ireland they came from so I can then begin to > close in on getting some information to expand my information on the > Fitzgeralds. > > Thank you for taking the time to read this. > > Chris Fitzgerald- USA- New Jersey. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message