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On the Cork List, Cheryl <[email protected]> said: >Donegal however and knocked on the door in the tiny hamlet of Coolcross >Clonmany looking for Callaghan descendents. The ones who are left there >do not know much about the family history. One gentleman I spoke to >however mentioned that Callaghan was not a Donegal name and family lore >had it that the Callaghan's were from Cork originally and moved there by >the British. Whether or not Callaghan is a Donegal name is another question, but whenever you come across a surname in a county far from where that surname is common or is thought to have originated, there is a good chance that the individual was a member of the Royal Irish Constabulary. It was standard practice to assign new recruits to the force to a county as far from his home county as possible so that there could be no familial influence on the course of justice, nor threat of reprisal. See "The Royal Irish Constabulary; a Short History and Genealogical Guide" by Jim Herlihy, co-founder of the Garda Museum, Dublin Castle. You can also contact Jim Herlihy, 8 Aisling Close, Ballincollig, Co. Cork, Ireland. Paperback #14.95/$27.50 plus postage and packaging. In USA it can be obtained from International Specialized Book Services, Porltand, Oregon. To order the book in North America, contact: [email protected] Also: "The Royal Irish Constabulary: A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men 1816-1922" published by Four Courts Press, Dublin, 1999 ISBN 1-85182-502-9 Hardback, pp. xxxiv, 488; price #30.00 (in Ireland) See: http://www.four-courts-press.ie Four Courts Press http://policehistory.com Garda Sioch�na Museum/Archives http://www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/ri011.htm Records Of The Royal Irish Constabulary at PRO http://www.psni.police.uk/index/pg_police_museum.htm The Royal Irish Constabulary

Just to add another monkey wrench. MacLysaght doesn't list the name, Lore, but he does list Looran and Loran as variations of Loughran, found in Meath and Westmeath. More information than you need!! David Collins Hudson, Mass., USA

Cheryl, _http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/_ (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/) Then click on Donegal, click on Vital Records and go to Clonmany Parish Donegal records 1852 - 1900. You will find quite a few CALLAGHANS SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/) Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/) Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/) Dan Devlin has all the births. You might check with him. I'll look for his email address. Joan **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)

Hi all, I recently took my first trip to Ireland. I was with my 3 sister and their spouses and did not get to do research. I did get a free couple hours up in Donegal however and knocked on the door in the tiny hamlet of Coolcross Clonmany looking for Callaghan descendents. The ones who are left there do not know much about the family history. One gentleman I spoke to however mentioned that Callaghan was not a Donegal name and family lore had it that the Callaghan's were from Cork originally and moved there by the British. Does anyone know when this would have happened and point me towards some sources for more information? Cheryl

Barbara, In checking back through my Leary variations I found Larie, Lary Lury, but so far none spelled Lore, although one would think that Lury & Lore may have had the same pronunciation, but all that does is throw more mud in the water, eh? Don In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:56:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Barbara, I just found the name LORE on Genealogy.com where the name has it's own inquiry board with plenty of inquiries from others re the surname. Check it out. Don In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:44:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, My two cents, I might not be any help ... I don't find any LORE. There are LORD and LORDAN mentioned in the Irish Genealogy: a Record Finder. You might find something here: _http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm_ (http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm) Joan **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)

Barbara, I just found the name LORE on Genealogy.com where the name has it's own inquiry board with plenty of inquiries from others re the surname. Check it out. Don In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:44:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, My two cents, I might not be any help ... I don't find any LORE. There are LORD and LORDAN mentioned in the Irish Genealogy: a Record Finder. You might find something here: _http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm_ (http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm) Joan **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)

Hello, My two cents, I might not be any help ... I don't find any LORE. There are LORD and LORDAN mentioned in the Irish Genealogy: a Record Finder. You might find something here: _http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm_ (http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm) Joan **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)

Hello again Barbara, No, I can't say for certain that LORE is a variation of LEARY, but I will check it out and let you know. In my research of LEARY on Ancestry.com & other research websites I thought I had seen it as a variation, so will have to go back and review later. Unfortunately I'm having a problem accessing a few websites due to some unexplained malfunction so will refer this info to a friend who may know. Will get back to you asap. Don In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:23:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Don, thank you....we have tried so many variations, but not those two, which are very common....you do know that LORE is one of those variations?....isn't been very hard to find this surname in Ireland and I've had some good researchers helping me..... Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: LORE in County Cork.....need Tithe Applotment > Barbara, I wonder if LORE was a variation of the surname LEARY or > O'LEARY? > Just a thought as there are many variations of the name and > pronunciation. > > Don > > > In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:07:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Does anyone have access to the Tithe in County Cork? I am looking for a > Henry LORE or his son, Patrick LORE who might have come from County Cork > .....having no idea where in the county the Lore family may be from.... > > Henry, born about 1816, was supposedly a Presbyterian Minister...his son > Patrick LORE was born in 1844 in New York City where his parents were for > a > time before returning to Ireland right after that.... > > Patrick returned to the US in 1864 and we have no knowledge of the > parents > and do we know the name of the mother > > So my next step is to try the Tithes if there is one available... > > Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)

Barbara, I wonder if LORE was a variation of the surname LEARY or O'LEARY? Just a thought as there are many variations of the name and pronunciation. Don In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:07:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone have access to the Tithe in County Cork? I am looking for a Henry LORE or his son, Patrick LORE who might have come from County Cork .....having no idea where in the county the Lore family may be from.... Henry, born about 1816, was supposedly a Presbyterian Minister...his son Patrick LORE was born in 1844 in New York City where his parents were for a time before returning to Ireland right after that.... Patrick returned to the US in 1864 and we have no knowledge of the parents and do we know the name of the mother So my next step is to try the Tithes if there is one available... Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)

Many thanks for all information regarding research into Earl of Bandon's papers. I did not realise that the Dukes of Devonshire's estates went out that far, and the online indexes make fascinating reading, but they do not, in this case, apply. Also, whilst the Bandon Genealogical web-site is wonderful, my area just happens to fall a smidgeon outside it's area - I think that it's called Sod's Law......... But I definitely think that I will be checking out what the Cork Archives can offer. Again thank you to everyone for all your advice and help, Mary

Don, thank you....we have tried so many variations, but not those two, which are very common....you do know that LORE is one of those variations?....isn't been very hard to find this surname in Ireland and I've had some good researchers helping me..... Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: LORE in County Cork.....need Tithe Applotment > Barbara, I wonder if LORE was a variation of the surname LEARY or > O'LEARY? > Just a thought as there are many variations of the name and > pronunciation. > > Don > > > In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:07:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Does anyone have access to the Tithe in County Cork? I am looking for a > Henry LORE or his son, Patrick LORE who might have come from County Cork > .....having no idea where in the county the Lore family may be from.... > > Henry, born about 1816, was supposedly a Presbyterian Minister...his son > Patrick LORE was born in 1844 in New York City where his parents were for > a > time before returning to Ireland right after that.... > > Patrick returned to the US in 1864 and we have no knowledge of the > parents > and do we know the name of the mother > > So my next step is to try the Tithes if there is one available... > > Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have access to the Tithe in County Cork? I am looking for a Henry LORE or his son, Patrick LORE who might have come from County Cork .....having no idea where in the county the Lore family may be from.... Henry, born about 1816, was supposedly a Presbyterian Minister...his son Patrick LORE was born in 1844 in New York City where his parents were for a time before returning to Ireland right after that.... Patrick returned to the US in 1864 and we have no knowledge of the parents and do we know the name of the mother So my next step is to try the Tithes if there is one available... Barbara

Also the Devonshire Estate records (Lismore Castle Papers) are held at the National Library in Dublin. A searchable index is online at http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/mss%20lists/129_Lismore.pdf They cover much of the land around Bandon, Innishannon, Enniskeane etc and go back into the 1600s in places. I spent many hours last year researching in these papers for the Bandon area website (and myself!) and they are a fascinating treasure trove. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Earl of Bandon's estate papers > > I believe The Earl of Bandon's Estate Papers are at the Cork City > and County Archives. See http://www.corkarchives.ie/ > > See http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library/index.html for the CofI > Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. > > -dja

Hello Brendan, you may very well have the reason for the loss of farm etc., the family went from leasing 130 acres which was taken up by the Old Man when he was 60, so he must have been farming it with his sons, amongst whom was my great grandfather, until he was 80 when he suddenly lost it all and ended his days owning only 5 acres, so something was going on. There were also house burnings, sons going off and leasing other farms with cousins in different parishes, and sons disappearing - abroad?? All happening during the turbulence of the Land Wars. We have all the details of the land from the Rate Books besides the Griffiths'. The point that I am making is that I discovered all this detail well after the death of my father and grandfather, and it all makes ' the family history ' different, and more complicated, than I had supposed it to be. Nothing surprising there, you may say, but I was using this example as a warning, if you like, to others to approach family history with an open mind, and to be prepared for the ( very ) unexpected. I could write a book..... Mary

Mary Simpson <[email protected]> said: >One of the ' family stories ' repeated over and over by parents, aunts >and uncles etc., was of a dispossession, occurring in the early 1880s, >which I now believe may have been part of the Land Wars in that part of >Cork. Or even the end of a fixed lease, perhaps a Lease of Life or >similar. But the family is not happy with that, dispossession being >much more romantic. Only access to the Earl of Bandon's Estate Papers >would sort this one out. I did find the advertisement for the land >that my great grandfather purchased in early 1877 from the >Representative Body of the Church of Ireland, and perhaps the details >might be found in their archives - if they have survived..... I believe The Earl of Bandon's Estate Papers are at the Cork City and County Archives. See http://www.corkarchives.ie/ See http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library/index.html for the CofI Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. -dja

Hi Mary, The Land Commission was set up in early 1880's and granted 15 year leases to certain tenants, if you had a sitting tenant they refused the lease, your family may have been refused a lease. The Valuation Office have records from Griffiths on, in the Cancelled Land Books, they list the people who owned the land, tenants etc, they also list if a lease was granted in 1880's, you will find a blue stamp on the record. Brendan ----- "Mary Simpson" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Brendan > > Just read you excellent piece in the O' Donoghue journal, and wanted > > to say thanks for all your very good advice. > > And would just like to reiterate to everyone starting on this - > please do as much groundwork ' at home ' as you possibly can, pester > > each and any relative possible for whatever info you can get hold of, > > you will need it! But treat it with caution, some family stuff is > written by the fairies...... > > In my father's family, we knew EXACTLY - down to the very fields and > > lane - that they came from, and the family history was indoctrinated > > into us, but even so, it has been a long slog to find hard documented > > evidence, baptismal and marriage records etc., and they turned up some > > surprises! > > One of the ' family stories ' repeated over and over by parents, > aunts > and uncles etc., was of a dispossession, occurring in the early 1880s, > > which I now believe may have been part of the Land Wars in that part > of > Cork. Or even the end of a fixed lease, perhaps a Lease of Life or > similar. But the family is not happy with that, dispossession being > much more romantic. Only access to the Earl of Bandon's Estate Papers > > would sort this one out. I did find the advertisement for the land > that my great grandfather purchased in early 1877 from the > Representative Body of the Church of Ireland, and perhaps the details > > might be found in their archives - if they have survived..... > > Next stop is digging into the Tithe Applotment records - another > visit to Dublin! > > And if anybody else complains about being charged for research - try > > a few hours in front of old, faded, almost indecipherable microfilm, > to > see what it does for your eyesight let alone your sanity - and as > for > old paper records....... And that is all AFTER you have found out > where to do the digging! > > Keep up all the good work, > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Brendan Just read you excellent piece in the O' Donoghue journal, and wanted to say thanks for all your very good advice. And would just like to reiterate to everyone starting on this - please do as much groundwork ' at home ' as you possibly can, pester each and any relative possible for whatever info you can get hold of, you will need it! But treat it with caution, some family stuff is written by the fairies...... In my father's family, we knew EXACTLY - down to the very fields and lane - that they came from, and the family history was indoctrinated into us, but even so, it has been a long slog to find hard documented evidence, baptismal and marriage records etc., and they turned up some surprises! One of the ' family stories ' repeated over and over by parents, aunts and uncles etc., was of a dispossession, occurring in the early 1880s, which I now believe may have been part of the Land Wars in that part of Cork. Or even the end of a fixed lease, perhaps a Lease of Life or similar. But the family is not happy with that, dispossession being much more romantic. Only access to the Earl of Bandon's Estate Papers would sort this one out. I did find the advertisement for the land that my great grandfather purchased in early 1877 from the Representative Body of the Church of Ireland, and perhaps the details might be found in their archives - if they have survived..... Next stop is digging into the Tithe Applotment records - another visit to Dublin! And if anybody else complains about being charged for research - try a few hours in front of old, faded, almost indecipherable microfilm, to see what it does for your eyesight let alone your sanity - and as for old paper records....... And that is all AFTER you have found out where to do the digging! Keep up all the good work, Mary

Now published on CELT, the Clancarthy Survey from Carew Ms. 625, and the Peyton and Desmond Surveys, all from about 1572 AD, covering mostly Kerry and Limerick, but a bit from Cork, Waterford, Kilkenny and Tipperary, at: http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E580000-001/index.html Has 4 maps. See pg. 32 of the Introduction to the Desmond Surveys. Be sure to read both Introductions as there is much information there. Placenames are listed in the Postscript. Janet