Hi Caroline, Following on from Lorraine's info: My ancestor Catherine Daunt m. Sir Peter Courthope in Co. Cork. If you google "Owlpen Manor" or "Nicholas Daunt Alice Tracey" you will find all the information you need on this interesting family. Because they are so well documented it's easy to trace them back to the time of King Henry 11 of England. Please feel free to write to me privately if I can assist any further. Judie Morris, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Egan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Gillman Daunt > John Gillman esq.of Clashmartel and Cove b 11 May 1724 mar.26 July 1757 > MARY dtr of WILLIAM DAUNT esq of Tracton ISSUE. > > 1.Stephen of whom presently 2 JOHN of Bellvue Co.Dublin d.Cheltenham > 1844 > leaving issue by his wife MARY ELIZABETH 4 daughters ....Letita d.unm. > ALICIA m. NELSON TRAFALGAR FOLEY 3 MARY m. EDWARD BROWNE 4.CATHERINE m > JOHN GILLESPIE 1. MARY married 13 June 1795 ACHILLES DAUNT esq Tracton > Abbey Cork their eldest son ACHILLES DAUNT married MARY, dtr JOHN ISAAC > HEARD esq M.P of Kinsale Information on DAUNT....Just google "Daunt > Genealogy, Cork" and click on little owl icon on top of page. Hope this > helps. > Lorraine www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Foggitt" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:15 AM > Subject: Gillman Daunt > > >> Gillman / Daunt family. >> >> >> >> I am looking for the ancestors, wife and other children of my >> GGGrandfather Howard Gillman Daunt 1811 (approx). He died in Dublin 15 >> Sep 1881, Donnybrook Hospital. He describes himself as either an >> engineer >> or a clockmaker. >> >> >> >> FHS has a marriage between Achilles Daunt and Mary Gillman 13 June 1795 >> at >> Clashmartel, Cork. Has anyone any further information on this marriage? >> I wonder if they could be the parents of Howard Gillman Daunt. >> >> >> >> Any information or clues very welcome! >> >> >> >> >> >> .Caroline >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Gillman esq.of Clashmartel and Cove b 11 May 1724 mar.26 July 1757 MARY dtr of WILLIAM DAUNT esq of Tracton ISSUE. 1.Stephen of whom presently 2 JOHN of Bellvue Co.Dublin d.Cheltenham 1844 leaving issue by his wife MARY ELIZABETH 4 daughters ....Letita d.unm. ALICIA m. NELSON TRAFALGAR FOLEY 3 MARY m. EDWARD BROWNE 4.CATHERINE m JOHN GILLESPIE 1. MARY married 13 June 1795 ACHILLES DAUNT esq Tracton Abbey Cork their eldest son ACHILLES DAUNT married MARY, dtr JOHN ISAAC HEARD esq M.P of Kinsale Information on DAUNT....Just google "Daunt Genealogy, Cork" and click on little owl icon on top of page. Hope this helps. Lorraine www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Foggitt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Gillman Daunt > Gillman / Daunt family. > > > > I am looking for the ancestors, wife and other children of my > GGGrandfather Howard Gillman Daunt 1811 (approx). He died in Dublin 15 > Sep 1881, Donnybrook Hospital. He describes himself as either an engineer > or a clockmaker. > > > > FHS has a marriage between Achilles Daunt and Mary Gillman 13 June 1795 at > Clashmartel, Cork. Has anyone any further information on this marriage? > I wonder if they could be the parents of Howard Gillman Daunt. > > > > Any information or clues very welcome! > > > > > > .Caroline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caroline Foggitt <[email protected]> asked: >FHS has a marriage between Achilles Daunt and Mary Gillman 13 June 1795 >at Clashmartel, Cork. Has anyone any further information on this >marriage? I wonder if they could be the parents of Howard Gillman Daunt. Not sure if there is any relation but the Irish Death Notice Index lists two Achilles Daunts and a George Achilles Daunt. Here is the list: DAUNT, ? "wife of J W Daunt" ( ); ; Sunday's Well Cork COR IRL; Irish-American (NYC NY); 1857-4-25; dja DAUNT, Achilles De Courcey; 67; Ballintemple COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1863-1-8; dja DAUNT, Achilles Rev "Dean of Cork"; ; Blarney COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1878-6-18; dja DAUNT, Albert Shaw "son of William H"; 0; Innoshannon COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1865-4-21; dja DAUNT, Bridget (HUGHES); ; Montenotte Cork COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1847-5-5; dja DAUNT, Eda Grace (OWEN); ; Fountainstown COR IRL; Irish Examiner; 2002-5-7; dja DAUNT, Elizabeth Miss "dau of late William M"; ; Cork City COR IRL>Newcastle-on-Tyne T&W ENG; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1878-10-30; dja DAUNT, Francis; ; Cork City COR IRL>Boston MA; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1856-7-25; dja DAUNT, George Achilles; 88; Newborough ; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1878-7-23; dja DAUNT, Hannah ( ); 63; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1847-9-22; dja DAUNT, Helena Herbert (TOWNSEND); ; Kinsale COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1846-11-11; dja DAUNT, Henry Townsend; 37; Kinsale COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1861-9-19; dja DAUNT, Margaret ( ); ; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1863-10-12; dja DAUNT, Mary ( ); 82; Cork City COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1846-4-3; dja DAUNT, Mary ( ); 74; Springhill COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1862-5-15; dja DAUNT, Mary "relict of Thomas" (BUSTEED); 85; Ballinrea COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1865-2-27; dja DAUNT, Richard; 75; New Brighton CHS ENG; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1863-2-9; dja DAUNT, Richard "Richie"; ; Clonmult COR IRL; Irish Examiner; 2001-1-11; dja DAUNT, Robert; ; Kinsale COR IRL>London LND ENG; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1861-12-12; dja DAUNT, Thos A Dr; 81; Fabalea ; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1861-1-4; dja - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Irish Death Notice Database [email protected] | http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Gillman / Daunt family. I am looking for the ancestors, wife and other children of my GGGrandfather Howard Gillman Daunt 1811 (approx). He died in Dublin 15 Sep 1881, Donnybrook Hospital. He describes himself as either an engineer or a clockmaker. FHS has a marriage between Achilles Daunt and Mary Gillman 13 June 1795 at Clashmartel, Cork. Has anyone any further information on this marriage? I wonder if they could be the parents of Howard Gillman Daunt. Any information or clues very welcome! .Caroline

Jan, Not familiar with the family, but the pub was still active last year. There may be different owners but why don't you call Mary Deane direct fom the U.S.A. She may or may not be the same family but she can probably put you in touch with others or find the information for you. Bill Fahy www.westcorkgenealogy.com Mary Deane High Street Drimoleague 011-353-283-1443

Anne Mahony, daughter of Denis Mahony, married Henry William Deane, vintner, son of William Deane in the RC church, Drimoleague, Cork, in 1908. They are supposed to have raised Nan Mahony, daughter of Anne's brother, Michael Mahony. I am looking for descendants of Anne Mahony Deane's family or of Nan Mahony, daughter of Michael (but I don't know Nan's married name). Is anyone familiar with either family?

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I regret but I do not know -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Bouchey Sent: 15 May 2009 17:48 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: where do I go from here? Jack Crowley - you mention here the Creagh Cemetry. I supposedly have ancestors buried in the old RC section of this cemetery. Is there any place where these cemetery records are kept? Thanks Barbara in St. Louis, Missouri USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Crowley Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: where do I go from here? There should be useful information available about a man who died in 1922. Get his civil Death Certificate Then ask the church what records they have. Check the Cork (Examiner and Constitution) and Skibbereen (Skibbereen Eagle and Southern Star) newspapers for death notices and obituaries. I am not aware of any separate Presbyterian graveyard in West Cork. There is an agreement in Cork City that Presbyterians may be buried in the graveyard of St Luke's, C of I, Douglas. It is worth remembering that the C of I was the Established Church up to 1870. This meant it was officially the church for the whole community. That is often why people other than members of the C of I are buried in C of I graveyards. It is as though it were a public or civil facility. Creagh is an old ruined church between Skibbereen and Baltimore. It is accessed through a field. The famous and learned Canon James Goodman was a Curate there and is buried there. It may be that Mr Russell had a grave plot in Creagh belonging to his family or perhaps to his wife's family. Someone should visit Creagh and see if there is a headstone with information. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of virginia bell Sent: 15 May 2009 02:14 To: Cork at rootsweb Subject: where do I go from here? I am really stymied on this one. I know that William Alexander Russell died 1 Mar. 1922 at Skibbereen. He was Presbyterian but the funeral was at the Abbeystrewry Church which I understand is Anglican. Burial was at Creagh. I was about to send for his death registration but now am aware that the document will not include the names of his parents. It's the parents I am searching for. He was born about 1857/8 before civil registration was required and although I know he was born in Co. Cork, I don't know where. Will the church have a record of his parents? Any suggestions where to look now? Help please! Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows LiveT Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There should be useful information available about a man who died in 1922. Get his civil Death Certificate Then ask the church what records they have. Check the Cork (Examiner and Constitution) and Skibbereen (Skibbereen Eagle and Southern Star) newspapers for death notices and obituaries. I am not aware of any separate Presbyterian graveyard in West Cork. There is an agreement in Cork City that Presbyterians may be buried in the graveyard of St Luke's, C of I, Douglas. It is worth remembering that the C of I was the Established Church up to 1870. This meant it was officially the church for the whole community. That is often why people other than members of the C of I are buried in C of I graveyards. It is as though it were a public or civil facility. Creagh is an old ruined church between Skibbereen and Baltimore. It is accessed through a field. The famous and learned Canon James Goodman was a Curate there and is buried there. It may be that Mr Russell had a grave plot in Creagh belonging to his family or perhaps to his wife's family. Someone should visit Creagh and see if there is a headstone with information. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of virginia bell Sent: 15 May 2009 02:14 To: Cork at rootsweb Subject: where do I go from here? I am really stymied on this one. I know that William Alexander Russell died 1 Mar. 1922 at Skibbereen. He was Presbyterian but the funeral was at the Abbeystrewry Church which I understand is Anglican. Burial was at Creagh. I was about to send for his death registration but now am aware that the document will not include the names of his parents. It's the parents I am searching for. He was born about 1857/8 before civil registration was required and although I know he was born in Co. Cork, I don't know where. Will the church have a record of his parents? Any suggestions where to look now? Help please! Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows LiveT Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

  Hi Virginia - did your William marry? If so, and it was in Ireland, you may be able to find it on the BMD indexes online at Family Search. http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start   Click on Europe and scroll down to Ireland. It will help if you know the bride's name of course - there is one William Alexander RUSSELL marriage but it is in Antrim in 1877..   A marriage certificate should give father's name at least.   I looked on the Irish Family History Foundation website (Mallow Heritage Centre) but did not see anything hopeful - the centre does not cover all of Co Cork however.   Apologies if you have already looked into these.   Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand --- On Fri, 15/5/09, virginia bell <[email protected]> wrote: To: "Cork at rootsweb" <[email protected]> Received: Friday, 15 May, 2009, 1:13 PM I am really stymied on this one. I know that William Alexander Russell died 1 Mar. 1922 at Skibbereen. He was Presbyterian but the funeral was at the Abbeystrewry Church which I understand is Anglican. Burial was at Creagh. I was about to send for his death registration but now am aware that the document will not include the names of his parents. It's the parents I am searching for. He was born about 1857/8 before civil registration was required and although I know he was born in Co. Cork, I don't know where. Will the church have a record of his parents? Any suggestions where to look now? Help please! Virginia

Poverty, distress and disease spared no one Many in the professional classes such as priests and doctors died as a consequence of their work People did what they could to feed themselves and their families -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Aiken Sent: 15 May 2009 02:53 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: LORE in County Cork.....need Tithe Applotment I very much agree with your dislike of the expression of "took the soup". And research will show that even some with the name O'Leary were unfortunately among the poorest of the poor. _________________________________________________________________ HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_WhatsNew1_052009 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jack Crowley - you mention here the Creagh Cemetry. I supposedly have ancestors buried in the old RC section of this cemetery. Is there any place where these cemetery records are kept? Thanks Barbara in St. Louis, Missouri USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Crowley Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: where do I go from here? There should be useful information available about a man who died in 1922. Get his civil Death Certificate Then ask the church what records they have. Check the Cork (Examiner and Constitution) and Skibbereen (Skibbereen Eagle and Southern Star) newspapers for death notices and obituaries. I am not aware of any separate Presbyterian graveyard in West Cork. There is an agreement in Cork City that Presbyterians may be buried in the graveyard of St Luke's, C of I, Douglas. It is worth remembering that the C of I was the Established Church up to 1870. This meant it was officially the church for the whole community. That is often why people other than members of the C of I are buried in C of I graveyards. It is as though it were a public or civil facility. Creagh is an old ruined church between Skibbereen and Baltimore. It is accessed through a field. The famous and learned Canon James Goodman was a Curate there and is buried there. It may be that Mr Russell had a grave plot in Creagh belonging to his family or perhaps to his wife's family. Someone should visit Creagh and see if there is a headstone with information. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of virginia bell Sent: 15 May 2009 02:14 To: Cork at rootsweb Subject: where do I go from here? I am really stymied on this one. I know that William Alexander Russell died 1 Mar. 1922 at Skibbereen. He was Presbyterian but the funeral was at the Abbeystrewry Church which I understand is Anglican. Burial was at Creagh. I was about to send for his death registration but now am aware that the document will not include the names of his parents. It's the parents I am searching for. He was born about 1857/8 before civil registration was required and although I know he was born in Co. Cork, I don't know where. Will the church have a record of his parents? Any suggestions where to look now? Help please! Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows LiveT Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all for your help. I've looked in family search and believe I have found his marriage. From the census I knew his eldest child was born 1880 so looked for a marriage a year or two previous. I found a William Russell married in 1878 in Clonakilty, not far from Skibbereen? Then, knowing again from the census that his wife's given name was Ellen I did a further search and found an Ellen Flynn married at Clonakilty, same entry numbers! Now to hope for the name of his father. Jack, I have been in touch with the church and through them was led to the eldest son, William Alexander, who was ordained in 1914 as an Anglican minister in Antrim. This was interesting because the census tells me these people were Presbyterian. Anyway, I do have the descendancy of the son. Another question Jack, are the newspapers you suggest online? Thanks again all who responded. Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Find info faster and easier with Internet Explorer 8. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655583

Virginia - you might want to contact the Skibbereen Heritage Centre - Terri Kearney or Margaret Hurley - to seek advice from them. Barbara in St. Louis, Missouri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of virginia bell Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:14 PM To: Cork at rootsweb Subject: where do I go from here? I am really stymied on this one. I know that William Alexander Russell died 1 Mar. 1922 at Skibbereen. He was Presbyterian but the funeral was at the Abbeystrewry Church which I understand is Anglican. Burial was at Creagh. I was about to send for his death registration but now am aware that the document will not include the names of his parents. It's the parents I am searching for. He was born about 1857/8 before civil registration was required and although I know he was born in Co. Cork, I don't know where. Will the church have a record of his parents? Any suggestions where to look now? Help please! Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows LiveT Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How about see if you get an obituary? Cheryl > >Today's Topics: > > 1. where do I go from here? (virginia bell) > >Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:13:53 -0600 >From: virginia bell <[email protected]> >Subject: where do I go from here? >To: Cork at rootsweb <[email protected]> > > > >I am really stymied on this one. I know that William Alexander Russell died 1 Mar. 1922 at Skibbereen. He was Presbyterian but the funeral was at the Abbeystrewry Church which I understand is Anglican. Burial was at Creagh. I was about to send for his death registration but now am aware that the document will not include the names of his parents. It's the parents I am searching for. > > > >He was born about 1857/8 before civil registration was required and although I know he was born in Co. Cork, I don't know where. Will the church have a record of his parents? Any suggestions where to look now? Help please! > >Virginia > > > > >

I very much agree with your dislike of the expression of "took the soup". And research will show that even some with the name O'Leary were unfortunately among the poorest of the poor. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009

I am really stymied on this one. I know that William Alexander Russell died 1 Mar. 1922 at Skibbereen. He was Presbyterian but the funeral was at the Abbeystrewry Church which I understand is Anglican. Burial was at Creagh. I was about to send for his death registration but now am aware that the document will not include the names of his parents. It's the parents I am searching for. He was born about 1857/8 before civil registration was required and although I know he was born in Co. Cork, I don't know where. Will the church have a record of his parents? Any suggestions where to look now? Help please! Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live™ Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621

Irish politics changed totally in a few short years. It was very common for young men to join the RIC pre 1916. They also joined the Army Navy, Civil Service etc. Many of these held nationalistic views. They wanted Home Rule for Ireland. there were many views on how that should operate. It is however fair to say that only a minority wanted total separation from Britain in the early years of the 20th century. The majority would have been satisfied with some connection or union with Britain. 1916 and what followed changed all that. The actions of the British establishment and of the Army, Black and Tans etc alienated the populace all over the country. There was a tendency/policy of the Military and the Tans to treat all of the natives as rebels who could be coerced into subjection. This is a policy that never works anywhere. See what happens in Gaza and other places. These actions drove people into the arms of the rebels. By 1922 Britain could no longer hold the Country regardless of what troops they put unto the field. The RIC were unfortunate victims of all of this. For the most part they were decent men who did not subscribe to repressive policies. However many had to think of their dependents. The IRA did not offer them much of a choice. It was true that many families with members of the IRA, RIC and Army. It is often difficult to draw clear black and white conclusions about anything. There are so many shades of grey. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 May 2009 20:46 To: [email protected] Subject: James O'Donoghue RIC Hi Jack, I have met Peter Hart, I have another relation who was involved in the Kilmichael ambush. James daughter Marie who later became principle of Laurel Hill in Limerick, she became a Nun, interviewed the people and family's who were involved in the killing, they are known as Maria's Diaries, Peter Hart refers to them in his book, my cousin Ethinne now has the diaries, she is married to Professor Peter Barry of Trinity College Dublin. On the night my granduncle was murdered there was a lot of retribution that night, 3 IRA members were shot dead by the RIC, this was the old IRA not to be confused with the modern edition. I suppose I have to ask the question why on one side of my family family members were joining the RIC and on the other side they were involved in subversive activities. I suppose that was Irish politics at the time. Brendan ----- "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> wrote: > This man gets a mention in "The IRA and its enemies" by Peter Hart. > http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/reader/0198208065/ref=sib_fs_top?ie=UTF8&p=S00K&c > heckSum=rxqeGNsdXz81s7WBJ2retomHLscqc9rR%2BfOub0FF%2F54%3D#reader-link > > There is some dispute about Hart and his research. I have read a claim > that > he could not have conducted an interview he refers to regarding Ned > Young, > Tom Barry and the Kilmichael Ambush > > >

Thanks, Dennis. Yes, people are always emailing me about the Winspeare Hungerfords. I think the answers must lie in the 18th c. I am going to Cork next month and will follow up every lead given. Thanks for obit reference. Elizabeth > [Original Message] > From: Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: Elizabeth Knowlton <[email protected]> > Date: 5/13/2009 8:06:41 AM > Subject: Winspeare Hungerford > > > Elizabeth Knowlton <[email protected]> said: > > >My McCartys (McCarthy) in Cork city must have > >married a female Winspeare (Yorkshire name) and converted to Church of > >Ireland some time in the 18th c or earlier as they baptized each child > >First Name Winspeare McCarty in Christchurch Cathedral for as many > >generations as they lived there. Even my Foleys, RC until at least 1842, > > Are you aware of any Hungerford connection? There is the following obit: > > HUNGERFORD, William Francis "son of Winspeare"; 0; Little Island COR IRL; > Cork Examiner; 1864-10-12; dja > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Irish Death Notice Database > [email protected] | http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >

I am not sure It may have been I merely remember the argument, not the source -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Simpson Sent: 13 May 2009 00:05 To: Rootsweb Cork Subject: Peter Hart Jack were you referring to Meda Ryan's very interesting book on Tom Barry? Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message