Hi Virginia - I have several death certificates for this period and they include: Date and place of death; Name and Surname; Sex; Condition [marital]; Age last birthday; Rank, Profession or Occupation; Certified Cause of Death and Duration of Illness; Signature, Qualification and Residence of Informant; When Registered; Signature of Registrar. My dates range from 1866 into the 1900s. Hope this helps. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: If I send for death certificates 1879 and 1884 is ... > > If I send for death certificates 1879 and 1884 is there a chance the > information will include name of informant? Name of spouse if living? Name > of next of kin? I need more than just date, age and place of death. > Also, can anyone please explain the occupation of Land Steward? Is this a > person who owns land or is just a collector of rents for a landowner? > Appreciate any help. Thanks, Virginia >

Jack Crowley <[email protected]> explained: >There was a wonderful increase in the ages of many people in 1908 on the >introduction of the State general old age pension (so that they could >qualify for the pension). It worked the other direction as well. Irish women, for example, appear to have a very selective memory when asked their age. Senan Molony, in his book "The Irish on the Titanic" researched passenger records as well as the 1901 and 1911 census and found that by the time some women had boarded the vessel they had encountered some fountain of youth that washed away the years. -dja

virginia bell <[email protected]> asked: >Also, can anyone please explain the occupation of Land Steward? Is this a >person who owns land or is just a collector of rents for a landowner? A Land Steward would be an employee who oversaw the management of an estate or property, supervising the work of others and implementing the wishes of the owner. The Royal Dublin Society even gave out medals. See http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~aherns/ahnws193.htm#29/04/1931 -dja

Hi All, After many years of waiting for the 1911 census for Glamorgan in Wales to come online i have finally found where my gran & her siblings were born. I have found their baptism's at St Colman's Cathedral in Queenstown. Problem is there is another child that could be a twin sister to my Great Uncle,is there anyone that could visit & view the records at the Cathedral to prove this child is related? Thanks. Kaz.

If I send for death certificates 1879 and 1884 is there a chance the information will include name of informant? Name of spouse if living? Name of next of kin? I need more than just date, age and place of death. Also, can anyone please explain the occupation of Land Steward? Is this a person who owns land or is just a collector of rents for a landowner? Appreciate any help. Thanks, Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046

There was a wonderful increase in the ages of many people in 1908 on the introduction of the State general old age pension (so that they could qualify for the pension). I saw some analysis some time. In Ireland we had a much higher proportion of age qualifying individuals in 1908 than did other parts of the UK. This may have been linked to the fact that registration of Births did not become mandatory until 1864. There are old yarns about claimants being asked how old they were on The Night of the Big Wind which I think was in 1839 This may why the lady aged prematurely -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patricia O'Shea Sent: 08 June 2009 04:32 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Baptism searches Hi Mary - have not seen this much in parish registers but have at least two Irish birth registrations which do not give the forename of the child. I am fairly sure from later records that the children lived, so obviously had not decided on a name by the time for registration. As to ages, one of Irish my great grandmothers aged 20 yrs between the 1901 census and 1911 - the age of the other does not match her supposed birthdate at all, being about 5 years older than she should be. Makes life interesting!! Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: Baptism searches > May I try and trawl other's collective experience / and / or knowledge? > > Has anyone out there, when researching parish registers, whether > on-line or in the archives, had experience of a child not having been > named on an entry? Rather being entered as " son or daughter - or > child - of xxxx ( usually father's name only ) " ?? I have come > across this with Scottish parish registers but don't know whether or > not it happens with Irish registers also. > > It sometimes makes confirmation of a particular person that you are > looking for difficult if they are registered without a first name. > > Also, whilst I do know that we are instructed to view all given ages > with a lot of scepticism, and the normal thing to do is to assume that > the people concerned were older - sometimes a lot older - than we > had believed, has anyone any experience of somebody actually being > younger? > > And in the Irish marriage registers - especially for the early to mid > 1800s, were the couple youngsters, say in the 18 - 24 age group, or > did they marry later in age? I know that by the end of the 1800s and > into the early 1900s, people seemed to be a bit older - especially the > men ( what with waiting for the farm etc., ) but I am wondering if it > was more normal that they were youngsters. > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gallagher is a name normally associated with County Donegal not County Cork. However in North Cork /County Limerick (i.e. near to Doneraile) there is a name Gallahue. This name is very scarce. It is often changed to Gallagher. You should keep both names in mind in your researches. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jan Kenney Fortado Sent: 09 June 2009 00:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Gallagher-O'Leary/Leary I am researching Gallaghers of Co. Cork. I recently came across another member of my extended family. Is anyone researching this family from Doneraile, Cork? Thomas Gallagher m. Mary Ann Leary/O'LearyI about 1863, probably in Co. Cork. They raised their family in Rossa/Rossagh East, Doneraile, Cork. Their children are as follows: 1. Ellen Gallagher Jan. 2, 1864, Doneraile 2. (Possible) Thomas born in 1865 2. John Gallagher Aug 8, 1866, Doneraile 3. Arthur Gallagher Apr. 26, 1868 2. Michael Gallagher 9-10-1872 1. Mary Anne Gallagher April 11, 1875 2. Maurice Galiher born 1877; died 2-4-1878 in Rossa, Doneraile ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are a couple of lists of researchers: The National Archives at <http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/researchers.html > and the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland <http://apgi.ie/ >. David Collins Hudson, MA, UA On 10 Jun 2009, at 03:00, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Genealogical Researcher (Larry Hewitt) > > From: Larry Hewitt <[email protected]> > Date: 9 June 2009 20:19:47 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Genealogical Researcher > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Hello List: Can anyone recommend a reasonable researcher, Who can > search for a Marriage Licence that took Place in County Cork about > 1818. I prefer one who has Email. Many thanks to all that reply.<[email protected] > >. > > Larry > > > > To contact the IRL-CORK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-CORK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hi All, It is now online at http://dundee-a.1911census.co.uk/ Kaz.

Hello List: Can anyone recommend a reasonable researcher, Who can search for a Marriage Licence that took Place in County Cork about 1818. I prefer one who has Email. Many thanks to all that reply.<[email protected]>. Larry

I am researching Gallaghers of Co. Cork. I recently came across another member of my extended family. Is anyone researching this family from Doneraile, Cork? Thomas Gallagher m. Mary Ann Leary/O'LearyI about 1863, probably in Co. Cork. They raised their family in Rossa/Rossagh East, Doneraile, Cork. Their children are as follows: 1. Ellen Gallagher Jan. 2, 1864, Doneraile 2. (Possible) Thomas born in 1865 2. John Gallagher Aug 8, 1866, Doneraile 3. Arthur Gallagher Apr. 26, 1868 2. Michael Gallagher 9-10-1872 1. Mary Anne Gallagher April 11, 1875 2. Maurice Galiher born 1877; died 2-4-1878 in Rossa, Doneraile

Hi Mary - have not seen this much in parish registers but have at least two Irish birth registrations which do not give the forename of the child. I am fairly sure from later records that the children lived, so obviously had not decided on a name by the time for registration. As to ages, one of Irish my great grandmothers aged 20 yrs between the 1901 census and 1911 - the age of the other does not match her supposed birthdate at all, being about 5 years older than she should be. Makes life interesting!! Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: Baptism searches > May I try and trawl other's collective experience / and / or knowledge? > > Has anyone out there, when researching parish registers, whether > on-line or in the archives, had experience of a child not having been > named on an entry? Rather being entered as " son or daughter - or > child - of xxxx ( usually father's name only ) " ?? I have come > across this with Scottish parish registers but don't know whether or > not it happens with Irish registers also. > > It sometimes makes confirmation of a particular person that you are > looking for difficult if they are registered without a first name. > > Also, whilst I do know that we are instructed to view all given ages > with a lot of scepticism, and the normal thing to do is to assume that > the people concerned were older - sometimes a lot older - than we > had believed, has anyone any experience of somebody actually being > younger? > > And in the Irish marriage registers - especially for the early to mid > 1800s, were the couple youngsters, say in the 18 - 24 age group, or > did they marry later in age? I know that by the end of the 1800s and > into the early 1900s, people seemed to be a bit older - especially the > men ( what with waiting for the farm etc., ) but I am wondering if it > was more normal that they were youngsters. > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, that was an interesting question about children not yet having a name. When I search US records I sometimes find "male" or "female" with no first name, but come to think of it, when I look at filmed RC records in Ireland, I have never seen that. This raises a question that has no answer. If the parents did not yet have a name for the child, and since a child was supposed to have the name of a saint, did the priest name a child? Did he name children Mary or use one of his favorite saint's names? Did he tell the father he HAD to choose a name? Very often the Baptismal date is actually closer to the correct date of birth. I VERYoften find (after 1864) that children were baptized several days or even a month or two BEFORE they were born. This simply means the father was not able to register the birth right away and so changed the date of birth so he would not have to pay a fine (as I understand it). This also indicates, there seemed to regularly be a name for a child that was close to the date of birth. I am concentrating on Co. Cork with some research in Co. Limerick, Co. Tipperary, and Co. Offaly. There might be parishes in other counties where no name was given to the child at Baptism. Also, most of my searches are in Roman Catholic parishes. In one of my extended families, there was a Gertrude. I could never find her birth record. Come to find out, at the Baptismal ceremony (mothers were not allowed to be there in early years), the godmother really liked the name Stella so she gave that name to the priest. So the birth was also registered under Stella, but the child NEVER went by that name. In the case of my dad, his father wanted to call him John, but his mother said there were too many in the family with that name. She wanted him named Edward. She wasn't at the Baptism so my dad was named John Edward. However, it was my grandmother who was home with him every day and she always called him Edward so officially he was always J. Edward. Jan

In my transcribing of civil registration, it is not uncommon to have babies listed only as males or females. I have found it less common in Parish records. But I also have found some baptised as one name and called another all their lives-most likely Mary. Regards, Candi in California

Mary Just about marriage ages there are a number of differing accounts and views re average Irish marriage ages but you may find this book Ireland -A New Economic History 1780-1939 by Cormac Ó Gráda interesting. A preview is available on google books. See page 9 and following where he discusses marriages ages and rates. Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Simpson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Rootsweb Cork" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Baptism searches > May I try and trawl other's collective experience / and / or knowledge? > > Has anyone out there, when researching parish registers, whether > on-line or in the archives, had experience of a child not having been > named on an entry? Rather being entered as " son or daughter - or > child - of xxxx ( usually father's name only ) " ?? I have come > across this with Scottish parish registers but don't know whether or > not it happens with Irish registers also. > > It sometimes makes confirmation of a particular person that you are > looking for difficult if they are registered without a first name. > > Also, whilst I do know that we are instructed to view all given ages > with a lot of scepticism, and the normal thing to do is to assume that > the people concerned were older - sometimes a lot older - than we > had believed, has anyone any experience of somebody actually being > younger? > > And in the Irish marriage registers - especially for the early to mid > 1800s, were the couple youngsters, say in the 18 - 24 age group, or > did they marry later in age? I know that by the end of the 1800s and > into the early 1900s, people seemed to be a bit older - especially the > men ( what with waiting for the farm etc., ) but I am wondering if it > was more normal that they were youngsters. > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 425 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

May I try and trawl other's collective experience / and / or knowledge? Has anyone out there, when researching parish registers, whether on-line or in the archives, had experience of a child not having been named on an entry? Rather being entered as " son or daughter - or child - of xxxx ( usually father's name only ) " ?? I have come across this with Scottish parish registers but don't know whether or not it happens with Irish registers also. It sometimes makes confirmation of a particular person that you are looking for difficult if they are registered without a first name. Also, whilst I do know that we are instructed to view all given ages with a lot of scepticism, and the normal thing to do is to assume that the people concerned were older - sometimes a lot older - than we had believed, has anyone any experience of somebody actually being younger? And in the Irish marriage registers - especially for the early to mid 1800s, were the couple youngsters, say in the 18 - 24 age group, or did they marry later in age? I know that by the end of the 1800s and into the early 1900s, people seemed to be a bit older - especially the men ( what with waiting for the farm etc., ) but I am wondering if it was more normal that they were youngsters. Mary

In a message dated 6/6/2009 4:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >> Please can you advise me where I can purchase a copy of the 1821 and 1787 Cork City directories.<< Larry, These sites might help you. _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcor/census_returns.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcor/census_returns.htm) _http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm_ (http://www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm) _http://ireland.archiseek.com/buildings_ireland/limerick/limerick/lewis.html _ (http://ireland.archiseek.com/buildings_ireland/limerick/limerick/lewis.html) _http://www.billdorgan.com/page28.html_ (http://www.billdorgan.com/page28.html) a good site _http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Archive_CD_Books_Ireland.html_ (http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Archive_CD_Books_Ireland.html) >From another lister, who went to hear Dick Eastman: >> Use Google -- One very helpful hint is that you can limit your "search" to only words in a URL, or only words in the text, etc.<< If you go to the "first page," and click on "Advanced Search," you will go to this page: _http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en_ (http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en) If you scroll down to where you find: + Date, Usage Rights, etc., you will find many of the things Dick talked about. Use the "menu" for each item. It will show you how to type in your Google "search box" - for example - In URL: Wilkins Family.<< _http://blog.eogn.com/_ (http://blog.eogn.com/) -- Dick Eastman's Genealogy Newsletter Joan **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007)

Hello List: Please can you advise me where I can purchase a copy of the 1821 and 1787 Cork City directories.Many thanks to all that reply.<[email protected]> Larry

Hi Lee, My John Coffey was from Co. Cork and I think possibly Ballyfoyle near Kinsale. He marreied Ellen McCarthy and they had to the best of my knowledge a daughter Ellen. Ellen was my g,g grandmother who arrived into Sydney in 1857, married the next year to Robert Timms. I don't think we have a connection. But thanks for the thought anyway. John...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Carr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: RE: Coffey > We have a Patrick Coffey born Kings County, Ireland - c 1840 > > Married Honorah Deveney, 1867, Singleton > > She c 1844 also Kings Co, Ireland > > We would like to know more about this couple - possible connection? > > Lee .... Sydney > > -----Original Message----- > I am looking for a John Coffey who married Ellen McCarthy maybe in > Ballyfoyle, near Kinsale in abt. 1827. > John...Sydney > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are many Patterson's in west Cork around Bandon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 03 June 2009 00:23 To: [email protected] Subject: (no subject) Hi I am brand new to this mailing list. I know this is a long shot-I am looking for Obediah or Obed PATTY's parents-Obediah was born in 1780. My Aunt always told me that the PATTY's were from County Cork. Also-is PATTY shortened from something else? I have heard PATTISON, etc. Thank you in advance for your help Janice (Lowrey) Brien ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585042x1201462767/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668 072&amp;hmpgID=62&amp;bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message