Trish wrote: "However, the point of my Irish search is to find the land upon which my > great-grandfather walked. I would be there in a "heartbeat" if I could only > locate it. I don't want to make claim to it...don't want anything other > than to walk it myself. But he was apparently from Western Cork...a place > with a large set of records, not even available for purchase, or searching, > unless you know exactly what you want. Now gosh, if I knew that...wouldn't > I be there myself?" I may have missed the beginning of this thread, but I was once in the same position and managed to track down various great-greats' land in West Cork. I'm not sure where you're having trouble. Do you have the family names? A townland or two? Griffith's Valuation is searchable for surnames, and if you have more than one family name, all the better. There are maps associated with the Griffith's listings. If you've tried all this, I apologize. Sheila Connolly (of the Connollys of Knocksagh, near Skibbereen, and the Regans of Drinagh West) **************Choose the home loan that saves you the most $$$. Agents available at ditech.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221374924x1201371434/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fclk.atdmt.com%2FDEG%2Fgo%2F153724534%2Fdirect%2F0 1%2F)

After visiting Mallow, Kilshannig and Dublin Reg office, I was able to see my GGGreat Grandfather, Cornelius Callaghan's (O'Callaghan) death Certificate. He was born Glantane abt 1823 and left Ireland to return in 1870 with his wife Elizabeth and four children. Cornelius died in August 1873 and was living across Mallow bridge in Ballydaheen. His place of Death was The Cartigans which I have been informed is a house in Baldaheen. I have two questions ? 1. Are there any Callaghan's (O'Callaghan) researchers out there with ancestors from Glantane, Kilshannig Nr Mallow. 2. Does anyone know of The Cartigans house, its history, purpose abt 1873. Richard Isaac Brisbane - AUSTRALIA

Trish I agree with you 1000%! If we could identify these parcels of origin to walk upon we would not be alone. How many in your family would make the exact same trek? I will answer for mine, MANY. As it is, they stay home, waiting for a place to go. My goal is to deliver that place within their lifetimes, that place they are so proud of but don't know. Too bad for those rural places in west Cork that we originate that could really use the business. In September, I will visit my German homeland for a bicycle tour because they make this information available and they are not afraid to share. My towns in Germany are very rural and still 1000 residents max. Some are as few as 10 houses. If Germany can do it, why can't the Irish? I have German Lutheran and Catholic. It is all available. My mother is a Buckley and the Bishop is a Buckley just to irk me some more. I have zero plans to go Ireland any time soon until I have an origin. John (Grumpy in Lake Placid) On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Patricia <[email protected]> wrote: > Patsy in New Zeland writes: "I have long argued that it would benefit > Irish tourism if those living overseas could access more readily the > information which might identify a location in Ireland for their ancestors > which they could then visit. Limerick City seems to agree." > > I don't mind paying for records, as long as the cost is reasonable, but > even the US government is now "gouging" people who would order records from > the National Archives. But at least the records are available without too > much "hassle". > > However, the point of my Irish search is to find the land upon which my > great-grandfather walked. I would be there in a "heartbeat" if I could only > locate it. I don't want to make claim to it...don't want anything other > than to walk it myself. But he was apparently from Western Cork...a place > with a large set of records, not even available for purchase, or searching, > unless you know exactly what you want. Now gosh, if I knew that...wouldn't > I be there myself? > > Trish Daly > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Possibly Dungarvan - if you Google you should be able to see just where it is. I think you drive through it on the road from Cork to Waterford. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Flynn - Sullivan > Hi > I have just found in the 1911 Wales Census in Cardiff - my great > grandmothers family and wondered if someone could help with a place name > in > Waterford. > John Flynn - Age 69 - Born County Cork > Ellen Flynn nee Sullivan - Age 56 - Born County Waterford - and then looks > like Dungervan? > They have been married 36 years and had 9 children > Regards > Patricia

Hi John Thank you so much Patricia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Walton Sent: 14 June 2009 01:30 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Flynn - Sullivan Patricia, It would be Dungarven. John...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Hedley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Flynn - Sullivan > Hi > I have just found in the 1911 Wales Census in Cardiff - my great > grandmothers family and wondered if someone could help with a place name > in > Waterford. > John Flynn - Age 69 - Born County Cork > Ellen Flynn nee Sullivan - Age 56 - Born County Waterford - and then looks > like Dungervan? > They have been married 36 years and had 9 children > Regards > Patricia > >

Patricia, It would be Dungarven. John...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Hedley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Flynn - Sullivan > Hi > I have just found in the 1911 Wales Census in Cardiff - my great > grandmothers family and wondered if someone could help with a place name > in > Waterford. > John Flynn - Age 69 - Born County Cork > Ellen Flynn nee Sullivan - Age 56 - Born County Waterford - and then looks > like Dungervan? > They have been married 36 years and had 9 children > Regards > Patricia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[email protected] said: >I am researching this name in Co. Cork, and trying to put together family >trees.? All the families connect to each other dating back to >approximately 1830, when several brothers arrived in Cork as gun >merchants.? Jackson's 1842-3 directory for Cork City lists the following: Allport, Henry, gun maker, 77, Old George's street James, gun maker, Mardyke Note that the "77" above is the address in Old George's street. See http://www.corkcorp.ie/maps/ Detailed Street Maps of Cork City

Joseph Walsh <[email protected]> said: > Here is a shot in the dark. Ellen Desmond b. ca 25 Feb 1819 in >Innishannon, County Cork: father, John Desmond; mother, Sarah Sheehan: >married John Walsh b. ca Jun 1816 in Ballinhassig, County Cork (short >distance from Innishannon): both lived their lives from ca1835 until >their respective deaths in Framingham, MA USA. My grandmother, Margaret Lane, was baptised at St. Mary's Innishannon but the family lived on the townland of Kildarra which was on the other side of the River Bandon and located in the civil parish of Bandon. Keep in mind that there are overlapping boundaries of all sorts in Ireland. -dja

Forwarded from another list - I couldn't agree more with the comments in this article. Maybe there's hope that the authorities will also 'see the light' and all those wonderful records 'locked up' in the heritage centres and elsewhere will also be more freely available. I have long argued that it would benefit Irish tourism if those living overseas could access more readily the information which might identify a location in Ireland for their ancestors which they could then visit. Limerick City seems to agree. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand > http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/City-records-online-decision-is.5348402.jp >

Patsy in New Zeland writes:  "I have long argued that it would benefit Irish tourism if those living overseas could access more readily the information which might identify a location in Ireland for their ancestors which they could then visit. Limerick City seems to agree." I don't mind paying for records, as long as the cost is reasonable, but even the US government is now "gouging" people who would order records from the National Archives.   But at least the records are available without too much "hassle".      However, the point of my Irish search is to find the land upon which my great-grandfather walked.  I would be there in a "heartbeat" if I could only locate it.  I don't want to make claim to it...don't want anything other than to walk it myself.  But he was apparently from Western Cork...a place with a large set of records, not even available for purchase, or searching, unless you know exactly what you want.  Now gosh, if I knew that...wouldn't I be there myself?   Trish Daly

Hi I have just found in the 1911 Wales Census in Cardiff - my great grandmothers family and wondered if someone could help with a place name in Waterford. John Flynn - Age 69 - Born County Cork Ellen Flynn nee Sullivan - Age 56 - Born County Waterford - and then looks like Dungervan? They have been married 36 years and had 9 children Regards Patricia

It's been some time (a couple of years at least) since I posted interests to the list so would love to hear from anyone who may have a connection to these families. William DESMOND m Mary BRODERICK somewhere in West Cork. Children: Timothy (b c1851), Donal, Cornelius Timothy DESMOND m Hanora SPILLANE (b c1853) somewhere in West Cork c 1875. Children: Julia b 1875 Co. Cork m Nicholas COFFEY; emigrated to US 1893 Timothy c1878; served in British Army Hanora b 1 Dec 1879 Cork City John (Jack) b c 1880 m Kate - 1907 Daniel b 1881 m Mary LANE Cornelius (Con) b 1882 m Mary FITZPATRICK Dennis b c1887 William (Bill) b Dec 1887; joined Royal Navy Frank 1890-1953 m Catherine (Kate) DEMPSEY b 1897 Driminhidy Mary b 1893 m HOGAN/HORGAN Jeremiah b c 1895 Michael (Mick) b c 1898 thanks and regards, Michelle Desmond (New Zealand)

I am researching this name in Co. Cork, and trying to put together family trees.? All the families connect to each other dating back to approximately 1830, when several brothers arrived in Cork as gun merchants.? They were originally from outside Birmingham, England, and I can trace the lines back into the 1500s.? The brothers that I know were in Co. Cork were Henry, George and Joseph.? Al 3 married in Co. Cork, and eventually Joseph returned to England and settled in the Lancashire area.? George and Henry remained in Cork, though there is some evidence to suggest that George travelled back and forth between Cork and the UK, residing for periods of time in both places.? Henry appears to have consistently remained in Co. Cork and died there in 1901.? It appears that both men married at least 2 times, in Co. Cork, and I have bits of trees for both.? One of George's sons, George Jr., was born in Cork, married and raised a family there.? His wife was Julia Isum, from Co. Kerry.? Known children were Selina Louisa, Julia Edith, George Richard, Amelia, Laura Mabel, and Frank.? Selina was born in Co. Cork, but Julia, George, Amelia and Laura were all born in S. Wales between 1876 and 1882.? By 1896 the family was back in Ireland, as Selina marries Frank Warren there in 1896.? They eventually wound up in England.? Laura Mabel is found in the 1911 census with her parents, who both died within 2 years of that census, and in 1914, Laura marries Edward Jervis Jeffers, also in Co. Cork.? Frank Warren was in the military but at least 3 of their known 7 children were born in Co. Cork, in the Kinsale registration district.? It is believed the Jeffers family remained in Ireland, and possibly had at least one child, called Edie in family letters, but we don't know if this is really to be Eddie, or Edie as in a female name.? If any of this rings any bells with anyone, I would love to hear from you so I can collect additonal information.? As well, I would be happy to share what I have already. Cindy Wood

Hi Heather, Just a word of warning about the 1911 census for Cork, there are large chunks of people missing from the census including about 85% of my relations, the reason being that they filled in their information in the Irish language, these records have yet to be transcribed, it mostly applys to West Cork, Bandon, Skibbereen, Clonakilty, Dunmanway etc. Brendan ----- "Heather H" <[email protected]> wrote: > Anne , (maiden name unknown) Doherty, b about 1836 in Glanmire, > married a Thomas Doherty.They had a son Joseph b abt 1865. > Joseph married Ellen Flynn in 1886.She died in 1891. > > In 1911 census, Anne, then a widow, age 75, living on Domenick St in > Shandon with her Grandaughter, also Ann Doherty, age 22. (my > Grandmother) The elder Anne died in 1913 , address Trimbaths Lane, a > hop skip and jump around the corner from Domenick St. A person with > her at time of death was an Ellen Doherty. On searching the 1911 > census, a family with head of household , Thomas Doherty, possible a > son of Anne, ? who was age 38, with a wife Ellen. Thomas born in > Glanmire also. This family lived on Wolfe Tone St, another hop, skip > and jump away from Trimbaths Lane. And last but not least, another > family with a Joseph Doherty, age 44 in 1911, with a daughter Fanny, > less than 1 yr old. He lived on Broad Lane which is a bit further away > but still in same vicinity. > I am wondering if this Joseph is the one born abt 1865, who could be > my Gr Grandfather. His first wife died age 25 and their first daughter > named Fan also. He was not around according to oral history and his > two daughters from first marriage raised by a Grandmother. In 1911 > census, he was 44, and only married to this wife for about 1 yr and > this wife quite a bit younger. > So, bottom line, does anyone have knowledge of these Doherty family`s? > I can`t assume they are related but it sure seems a possibility re > the ages, naming patterns, and close proximities where they lived. > (Hope this wasn`t too confusing to follow!) > Thx for any feedback. > Heather Horgan > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne , (maiden name unknown) Doherty, b about 1836 in Glanmire, married a Thomas Doherty.They had a son Joseph b abt 1865. Joseph married Ellen Flynn in 1886.She died in 1891. In 1911 census, Anne, then a widow, age 75, living on Domenick St in Shandon with her Grandaughter, also Ann Doherty, age 22. (my Grandmother) The elder Anne died in 1913 , address Trimbaths Lane, a hop skip and jump around the corner from Domenick St. A person with her at time of death was an Ellen Doherty. On searching the 1911 census, a family with head of household , Thomas Doherty, possible a son of Anne, ? who was age 38, with a wife Ellen. Thomas born in Glanmire also. This family lived on Wolfe Tone St, another hop, skip and jump away from Trimbaths Lane. And last but not least, another family with a Joseph Doherty, age 44 in 1911, with a daughter Fanny, less than 1 yr old. He lived on Broad Lane which is a bit further away but still in same vicinity. I am wondering if this Joseph is the one born abt 1865, who could be my Gr Grandfather. His first wife died age 25 and their first daughter named Fan also. He was not around according to oral history and his two daughters from first marriage raised by a Grandmother. In 1911 census, he was 44, and only married to this wife for about 1 yr and this wife quite a bit younger. So, bottom line, does anyone have knowledge of these Doherty family`s? I can`t assume they are related but it sure seems a possibility re the ages, naming patterns, and close proximities where they lived. (Hope this wasn`t too confusing to follow!) Thx for any feedback. Heather Horgan Canada

Virginia My great grandfather was a land steward and apparantly he was an important man on the estate, answering only to the owner of the estate. He hired and fired staff and dealt with all the trades and services for the estate. Regards Margaret

I have been reading an extremely interesting book about Irish farming and thought that others might well be interested as it gives real insight into how the land was cultivated and distributed, the types of housing for both families and stock, the types of breeds of cattle, horses, pigs, sheep etc etc. Even the different farm implements and crops and how those crops were harvested. If your family came from Ireland, it offers a considerable idea of how they would have lived. " A History of IRISH FARMING 1750 - 1950 " by Jonathan Bell and Mervyn Watson published by Four Courts Press Ltd., 7 Malpas St., Dublin 8 ISBN 978-84682-208-7 pbk The Four Courts website is: http://www.fourcourtspress.ie and you can order directly from this website Jonathan Bell and Mervyn Watson were both at the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum. Mary

My family is awash with people who visited that fountain of youth. Too many to list, but one set of great great grandparents took their children along with them and when they arrived in Australia they were seven years younger than when the left England, and all the children two or three years younger. The kids regained their years, but the parents stayed younger for the rest of their lives. I have another gt.gt.grandfather who miraculously dropped 10 years to become 28 years of age when he married a 20 year old girl. Another gt.gt grandmother came here alone and lost 9 years on the voyage, (she met and married a man who was 8 years younger.) I have others whose ages drew closer on day they married, as recently as my grandparents when he put his age down two years and she two up. My family abounds with miracles and mysteries. I have ancestors who came here on the wings of those wonderful white doves. (Or else they were great swimmers.) We have immaculate conceptions; lost marriages; and those who weren't born and didn't die, but who most definitely lived. We have ancestors who didn't know the names of their own parents and I have found siblings whom they surely must have known? We also have those who amazingly changed skills on the 4 month voyage, e.g., left as a publican and arrived as a blacksmith. We also had instant gold miners, but sadly, these new skills failed them. They must all be spinning in their graves as we drag out all their secrets - the secrets they thought they were taking to said graves, but I'd forego knowing it all if they'd just reveal the source of that fountain of youth! Cheers, Judie Morris, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: variations in reported age > > Jack Crowley <[email protected]> explained: > >>There was a wonderful increase in the ages of many people in 1908 on the >>introduction of the State general old age pension (so that they could >>qualify for the pension). > > It worked the other direction as well. Irish women, for example, appear to > have a very selective memory when asked their age. Senan Molony, in his > book "The Irish on the Titanic" researched passenger records as well as > the 1901 and 1911 census and found that by the time some women had boarded > the vessel they had encountered some fountain of youth that washed away > the years. > > -dja > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dennis My g--mother was one . Had the fountain of youth but not on the Titanic but on the crossing to Liverpool. at aboat the some time. Tim.

I would like to thank everybody who replied to my posting re parish registers etc., A lot of interesting and thought-provoking stuff. In the past the mother didn't normally attend the baptism - although I would have, being up and about a few hours after my babies were born " Good Peasant Blood.... " - but then mother's had some time off in bed to recuperate, so the father - and the parish priest were in charge of the naming, and I would lay any money that some names given and officially recorded were changed later when the mother was back in charge! And remembering the attitude of the parish priest in past times, I bet a fair few names were at the priest's dictat! I remember when I was a child, our priest wouldn't baptise a neighbour's child as " Hazel " - " I am not going to name a Catholic child after a nut!! " So the little one had to be Mary Hazel, I wonder how often similar things happened? But I had forgotten completely the Old Age Pension. My great grandmother suddenly put on a good few years in the 1911 census. I was puzzled, but now it makes a lot more sense. Mary