----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Sullivan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Free availability of Irish Records >Jenny what does pdf stand for. .pdf is Adobe's 'Portable Document format', which uses Acrobat Reader or others to open.

Jenny what does pdf stand for.  What Parishes do you have? Thanks  Jackie ________________________________ From: Jenny Martin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:38:37 AM Subject: Free availability of Irish Records Hi All, After last weeks discussions on Free availability of Irish Records I made some enquiries and here are some contacts from the National Library of Ireland. Many of you will know of these but those who are from outside of Ireland looking for information may find them useful. Have not had a reply as yet to the last email I sent to Damian. I have received some information leaflets on the Family history resources and services of the National Library that may be useful, also a listing of professional researchers. Those interested in receiving a copy please contact me off list at [email protected]  and I will forward as attachments to you. I have downloaded the Parish registers by Diocese for Ireland. They are pdfs and over 1,000kb so will take a while to download if you are not on broadband. Kind Regards Jenny (NZ) National Library of Ireland - Dublin http://www.nli.ie/en/homepage.aspx  We have quite a lot of information on the Library website re the holdings that relate to family history. A good place to start is the introductory page on the Library website: http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx This is the link to parish registers that the Library holds - it is a listing with the dates that are available for each parish and "researchers need to come in to the Library or have someone come in on their behalf to conduct research". We do not do lookups or research for people. It is arranged by diocese and the parishes are listed alphabetically within each diocese. It is useful for researchers to be aware that diocese, do not always coincide with the county boundaries of Ireland. http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx It may be useful to refer your visitors who may not be sure of the parish origins of family members to this website: http://www.catholicireland.net/parishes/index.php The links to other websites also gives some useful sources that maybe of interest: http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-links.aspx For records related to the Church of Ireland, please see this website: http://ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information <http://ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information&id=63> &id=63 The General Register Office is the central civil repository for records relating to Births, Deaths and Marriages in Ireland. http://www.groireland.ie/  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please forward your off-line info. Have you run into Keating(Cork) and Finn (Galway) leads in NX? Many Thanks Jack keating On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jenny Martin wrote: > Hi All, > > After last weeks discussions on Free availability of Irish Records I > made some enquiries and here are some contacts from the > National Library of Ireland. > Many of you will know of these but those who are from outside of > Ireland looking for information may find them useful. > Have not had a reply as yet to the last email I sent to Damian. > > I have received some information leaflets on the Family history > resources and services of the National Library that may be useful, > also a listing of professional researchers. > > Those interested in receiving a copy please contact me off list at [email protected] > and I will forward as attachments to > you. > I have downloaded the Parish registers by Diocese for Ireland. They > are pdfs and over 1,000kb so will take a while to download if > you are not on broadband. > > Kind Regards > Jenny (NZ) > > > National Library of Ireland - Dublin > http://www.nli.ie/en/homepage.aspx > > We have quite a lot of information on the Library website re the > holdings that relate to family history. > > A good place to start is the introductory page on the Library website: > http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx > > This is the link to parish registers that the Library holds - it is > a listing with the dates that are available for each parish and > "researchers need to come in to the Library or have someone come in > on their behalf to conduct research". > We do not do lookups or research for people. > It is arranged by diocese and the parishes are listed alphabetically > within each diocese. > It is useful for researchers to be aware that diocese, do not always > coincide with the county boundaries of Ireland. > http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx > > It may be useful to refer your visitors who may not be sure of the > parish origins of family members to this website: > http://www.catholicireland.net/parishes/index.php > > The links to other websites also gives some useful sources that > maybe of interest: > http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-links.aspx > > For records related to the Church of Ireland, please see this website: > http://ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information <http://ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information&id=63 > > &id=63 > > The General Register Office is the central civil repository for > records relating to Births, Deaths and Marriages in Ireland. > http://www.groireland.ie/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Jenny, I would like a copy as well.Thanks, George. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Jenny Martin <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi All, > > After last weeks discussions on Free availability of Irish Records I made > some enquiries and here are some contacts from the > National Library of Ireland. > Many of you will know of these but those who are from outside of Ireland > looking for information may find them useful. > Have not had a reply as yet to the last email I sent to Damian. > > I have received some information leaflets on the Family history resources > and services of the National Library that may be useful, > also a listing of professional researchers. > > Those interested in receiving a copy please contact me off list at > [email protected] and I will forward as attachments to > George Mclaughlin

Apologies to the List - this should have been sent to Jenny's private address, which I have now done. Brigid On Jun 23, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Brigid O'Donnell wrote: > Jenny > I would like to receive the pdfs if it is still an offer - hope you > aren't inundated! > Thanks for your generosity, > Brigid > (USA > ) > On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jenny Martin wrote: > >> a listing of professional researchers. >> >> Those interested in receiving a copy please contact me off list at [email protected] >> and I will forward as attachments to >> you. >> I have downloaded the Parish registers by Diocese for Ireland. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Jenny I would like to receive the pdfs if it is still an offer - hope you aren't inundated! Thanks for your generosity, Brigid (USA ) On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Jenny Martin wrote: > a listing of professional researchers. > > Those interested in receiving a copy please contact me off list at [email protected] > and I will forward as attachments to > you. > I have downloaded the Parish registers by Diocese for Ireland.

As am I - Thanks, Jenny Ann

Hello Jenny, I'm interested in receiving a copy of the information you are offering. On the national library and the Parish registers. Thank You Jerry Walsh in California [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenny Martin Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Free availability of Irish Records Hi All, After last weeks discussions on Free availability of Irish Records I made some enquiries and here are some contacts from the National Library of Ireland. Many of you will know of these but those who are from outside of Ireland looking for information may find them useful. Have not had a reply as yet to the last email I sent to Damian. I have received some information leaflets on the Family history resources and services of the National Library that may be useful, also a listing of professional researchers. Those interested in receiving a copy please contact me off list at [email protected] and I will forward as attachments to you. I have downloaded the Parish registers by Diocese for Ireland. They are pdfs and over 1,000kb so will take a while to download if you are not on broadband. Kind Regards Jenny (NZ)

Many thanks to all who have tried to help me. Jenny, I would be pleased to send you my collection of O'Callaghan's and Callaghans from Mallow & Kinshannig. I am sorting out my records over years and am extracting family to duplicate and record on a disc. I am happy to mail the disc to you which should be completed in a few weeks. Having found his place of death I am trying to locate his grave in Mallow and records that may provide any family that were alive around 1873 in the area. Richard Isaac Brisbane Australia

Marian is a well know speaker and this lecture should be very helpful in researching your families!! Hope to see you there. Karen June 20, 2009 LHC Genealogy Meeting Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:30 - 1:00 Lemonade, cookies and conversation 1:00 pm : Speaker Marian Pierre-Lewis Discovering Immigrant Voices through House History Research. She will be speaking about researching the family roots through Housing. This lecture addresses various styles of housing and the waves of immigrants that have come through them. Lawrence History Center 6 Essex Street Lawrence For more information call; 978.686.9230 or email [email protected] Free and open to the public!

Hello all, >From my experience, 1. The old parish books are not fragile. The paper is tough as lead. I don't complain that I have no gloves if I get to peruse and photograph them. And I have done that in several parishes. It is a mistake, but I want the info on my families and communities. I want to share everything I can gather to help others find their families. 2. I believe that NOT transcribing them or, like Wales, photocopying them and placing them in the local libraries is the dumbest, most backward and selfish thing any country has ever done. I feel so un-Irish with loss of respect for the church who insists records must be closed. AND not every priest feels that way! I have met some who LOVE that we care about this work, LOVE that we show up knocking on their doors and having done our homework with records in hand. 3, I believe Glengarriff records might be over with Kerry records in Killarney? May some Irishman correct me if I am wrong about the division of Parishes. 4. I have faxed several purchases and although ODD, it is safe and I trust the Irish more each time it works! 5. If it weren't for Joan, her bright detective skills and generous sharing of Wales resources, I and three more of my Donovan cousins would not have ventured into Wales for research. What an experience we would have missed! Regards, Candi in California

Jackand Pat, Thank you for your replies. . This adds to the searches necessary to find the place of burial for John REA ( 8th Jan 1839.) His will says he was from Flemingstown, but had land at Dunmahon. Married Glanworth parish 1838. Regards Margaret

Margaret wrote: === Is anyone able to tell me what would be the nearest R.C. church for Dunmahon and Glanworth, Co Cork 1838 era please. Also what burial ground for someone who died 1839. === Margaret, The current information for the RC parish of Glanworth and Ballindangan is at: === http://www.catholicireland.net/parishes/parishdetails.php?ID=581 === If you are looking at only the civil parishes of Glanworth and Bunmahon, the Ballindangan church would not be included (although it is nearby). Both of the other churches are in Glanworth CP, one in each section of a geographically-divided civil parish (Dunmahon CP separates them, but it contains no RC church). Although the Ballindangan RC church appears to have been part of a different RC parish in the mid-1800's (according to Brian Mitchell's Atlas), it now is part of the Glanworth and Ballindangan combined RC parish. The Rockmills village graveyard (Ballyvoddy townland) is outside of Glanworth CP, but only a mile or so to the NW, along the R 512 connecting Glanworth and Kildorrery. The AINC book says it was "still in occasional use", as of 1984, and contains "headstones....mainly from the late 18th and 19th century". In the western section of Glanworth civil parish, you already have information of the graveyard in Boherash, at the ruins of the C of I parish church, immediately N. of Glanworth village. This graveyard was "still in occasional use", as of 1995, according to the "Archaeological Inventory of North Cork" book, "Burials throughout graveyard, concentrated to E and S; earliest headstone noted dated 1724." I don't have information on the St. Dominick's Old Cemetery in Glanworth, mentioned by Pat and Jan, but it is probably located at the old RC church, now used as a community center. The AINC book does not mention a cemetery there (perhaps, too recent for the book's remit). There was once a graveyard at the sparse remains of Templealour church at the S end of Glanworth village, but it is now occupied by a grain warehouse. Moving eastward into Dunmahon civil parish, the graveyard at the parish church ruin was, according to the AINC book in 1986, "Graveyard overgrown with mature trees; most graves marked by low, uninscribed grave-markers; earliest inscribed headstone noted dated 1774." However, the interior of the ruined church is "full of grave-plots". This would appear to be the only burial ground in the civil parish. There are three graveyards which are north of the western section of Glanworth civil parish, but lie immediately next to the parish border. In Carrigdownane civil parish, the ruined parish church is near the Glanworth CP border and, as of 1995, AINC wrote: "In use; burials, mostly marked by low uninscribed grave-marers, to S of and within church. Earliest headstone noted dated 1790." Less than a half-mile NE of this site, and across the Funshion River, is the ruined parish church of Derryvillane, also next to the Glanworth CP border. Here is the AINC description of the burial ground, in 1995: "Area to E, N and W of church inaccessible due to dense overgrowth but grave-markers concentrated here. Marked burials to S of church mostly 19th century, including canopy tomb of 1883; earliest headstone noted dated 1780." Farther N, but still adjacent to the Glanworth civil parish border (the village of Glanworth is about 2-1/2 miles south of this border) is the ruin of the Ballydeloughy civil parish church, and graveyard. Here is the AINC description: "Most burials to SE or E of church; headstones date from 1767; low uninscribed grave-markers concentrate to E of clutch with a few to S. Three 19th/20th-century headstones to W of church." Just to the N of Bunmahon civil parish is the unfortunately "reconstructed" early 12th century parish church of Killeenemer, surrounded by a graveyard.........which no longer seems to have any grave-markers (I wonder if this is a result of the 1979 "reconstruction"). It's a shame what was done to the ruined church (personal opinion, of course). Farther to the east is the eastern portion of the civil parish, and the location of the Curraghagalla church in the RC parish. I don't know if there is burial ground at that church, but just across the parish line to the North-ish (less than 2 miles from the church) is a graveyard at the site of the parish church of Kilphelan (no surviving trace). The AINC book does not describe the cemetery, although it gives the overall dimensions of it. Strange.......not very hopeful. I think those are the nearest burial sites to the civil parishes of Glanworth and Bunmahon, and the RC parish of Glanworth and Ballindangan. All of these locations are shown on Discovery map 73, except for the Curraghagalla church which is just barely across the border onto map 74. This is a very "busy" area of North Cork. If anyone knows of sites that I've missed, let me know so that I can add them to my collection [gr]. Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Dear Listers I have returned to the link in the original posting http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ and it takes me directly to a page which says (in part): "The C.S.I (Central Signposting Index) will point you to the local county based IFHF genealogy centre that may hold the records you seek." The State records are fine (especially now that the indexes are available courtesy of LDS) but they extend only from 1864 for RC and 1845 for non-RC marriages. Many of our researchers' families had left Ireland by that time so they just don't appear there. I could rebut several other statements but it has been said already. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand <snip> With regard to my last email, as I stated church records are private records and there is no onus on the church to release them. I would encourage people to use the state records system instead. The website I mentioned is our official government website - irishgenealogy.ie. This is a 'one stop shop' for genealogy in Ireland. > It is in-correct for you to state that it is the predecessor of the IFHF > site. It has no connection to it. And it is a free > service.

Hi All, A response from Damian to Patsy's comments. As you see he sent it to the list but, not being subscribed it won't go through. I have gathered all the comments from several of you and will forward them to him shortly and will post his reply to the list. I have left the headers with your contact details so Damian can reply individually if he wishes to. Please bear in mind Damian is the messenger and to a point his hands are tied as to how much can be achieved. We are here to let him know the areas of breakdown, not ostracise him, so keep to the facts and don't fabricate. Kind Regards Jenny (New Zealand) To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: Jenny Martin Subject: FW: Free availability of Irish Records Dear Patsy, Thank you for your email response. Failte Ireland is under no allusion as to the value of the genealogy market. Ireland receives 95,000 visitors annually who come for genealogical purposes. And that figure is growing. We, as an organisation are very active in this area, promoting genealogy and travel to Ireland. I can appreciate your comments about the IFHF. They are a commercial organisation who charge on a 'pay per view' model to access records. Individuals who wish to do their own research, don't have to pay their charges. With regard to my last email, as I stated church records are private records and there is no onus on the church to release them. I would encourage people to use the state records system instead. The website I mentioned is our official government website - irishgenealogy.ie. This is a 'one stop shop' for genealogy in Ireland. It is in-correct for you to state that it is the predecessor of the IFHF site. It has no connection to it. And it is a free service. Should you have any other queries, I'd be delighted to answer them. I have worked in this area for a number of years and served on a number of government committees and national steering groups in this area. I'm sorry that you think I have 'little understanding of the issues' or that 'this person does not know anything about the history of the problem'. I would be pleased to assist if I can. Regards and thanks Damian Damian O'Brien, Product Officer - Contemporary Culture & the Arts

Hi Theresa, I'm sorry I don't think our lines connect. Mary Spillane Donahue, b. ukn., d. 1879, is my husband's great great grandmother. She came from Cork to Providence, R.I. where she is buried in St. Francis Cemetery. Her parents are Maurice Spillane, Sr. and Catherine Driscoll. Their children are, Maurice, Jr., Ellen, Catherine, Unknown, Mary (mentioned above) and Martha. Maurice, Jr. who came to the U.S. m. Unknown Sullivan. Their children are, Daniel, Jeremiah, John, Mary and Catherine. If any of these names are familiar to you, we may have a connection. Pat On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:07 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello Pat! > > > > I'm just wondering if we might connect....I have Spillane in my family > line. My grandmother was Julia Mae Spillane. She came to USA in April > 1925. She was the daughter of Sarah Jane (Harrington) & Michael Spillane > (b. 04 Aug 1871). The family was from the Beara Island. Michael's parents > were Julia O'Sullivan (b. abt April 1848) & Timothy Spillane (b. abt. Dec. > 1837). > > I also have Hurley in my family. Bill Hurley married a Mary O'Sullivan. > Mary O'Sullivan is the daughter of Minnie Spillane & Mort O'Sullivan. > > > > Look forward to hearing from you, > > Theresa E. Smith > > Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, USA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Stano-Carpenter" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:08:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: Free availability of Irish Records > > My Hurley, Donahue & Spillane ancestors were Roman Catholic. I keep hoping > the Bishop will have a change of heart and permit access those records. > Looks like it will be a longer wait. In the meantime, can someone on the > list recommend a few areas for researching the West Cork/Bantry, Glengariff > area? > > Pat > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been reading with interest. I do not wish to touch the fragile books containing the originals. As it is they are probably decaying quite well by themselves. I only wish they would photocopy them before that happens. These could then be transcribed as it is being done in other countries. One of my search areas is Wales. I have the records from the parish churches of my RC Irish that were married, died and buried there. They were transcribed by volunteers and I was able to purchase the booklets. The place was Myrthyr Tydfil and is far from being a tourist spot but I have been there 4 times to visit and do more research. I have met living cousins, spent money there and without these records available would never have gone there. Another case in point is now we have better access to the BMD's the GRO still will not accept credit cards online and I do not think faxing them is safe. I say wake up Ireland there is money to be made here. But we know these points have been raised many times on this list and others and we are still at a standstill. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:50:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Free availability of Irish Records Don't desire to get into a difference of opinion, but I have some information about old books that may not be common knowledge: 1. It is said that the Archbishop of Emele closed the books after one researcher tore two pages out of the book, closed it and walked out, thus depriving thousand of other researchers the pleasures of reading what was on those two stolen pages. 2. The old books must be opened in controlled circumstances, often with white, soft, acid free gloves. 3. Even the natural acid on your hands damages the paper. 4. Even a flash camera tends to fade the paper. 5. In conclusion, these old books, to last another century, must be kept in a habitat, low light, constant temperature, and controlled humidity. Anything less means no old books left even during our lifetimes. 6. Digitizing by professionals is the only way to go, then the books can be protected for a long time to come. So in a way it is control freaks who do this, but for the greater good. Profit is a motive too, but not at the risk of losing the books forever. donkelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff. Johnston <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Free availability of Irish Records You can do away with the volumes that you all have written and explain it simply with 2 words, "control freak". Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen,  Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Free availability of Irish Records > Bill- > I respect and I am thankful for all you have done to bring light to the > west > Cork region. I do not wish in any way to disrespect your thoughts. > > However, I have a different opinion. I cannot accept the Church's silly > argument of protecting something that happened in the 19th century. It > should also be considered most of us; who do not know our origins, are > products of a people who left under extreme durress. As a result our > families could not communicate those origins. It was simply behind them. I > can respect, albeit I may not agree with, a 100 year rule or something > similar but complete non transparency is simply wrong. If the Church felt > it > is was important for the people to record their faith, it is equally > important for the Church to report those records to the family. It is no > wonder why the Catholic Church has lost my generation. They have > constricted > and excluded to the point of self strangulation. > > I have been to Dublin once and will never go back. I am a person who > avoids > any city in any way, manner or form possible. Libraries give me the > creeps. > I want to walk the fields amongst the sheep. I want to meet the residents > where we once were. I want to lift a stone and replace it in a wall. I > want > to listen to the music of a local musician. I have zero interest in > Dublin. > > Let me compare apples and apples. I also have Bavarian Catholic ancestors. > I > have accessed that data. Yes, I paid a fair sum for it and that is ok. I > can > share that. Two wasted nights in Dublin is a lot more expensive. Not only > did they give every BMD detail possible, they listed the date the family > hitched the horse to the wagon to go to America. They gave me details of > family I did not even know about in the same town my family had settled. I > could not ask for better. Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese was equal to that > Bavarian disclosure. So now I ask what details over 100 years old, I > should > add, could the Irish Catholic Church be afraid to disclose in BMD records? > > My goal has been to give my family a target, a place in Ireland for them > to > visit. Currently, they all stay home, waiting for that chance to visit a > home their elders never wanted to leave. This is not claims to ownership, > this is a vacation. They will do other things and spend a vacation sum of > money but it is only worth coming if they can visit the special land. > Those > are the facts. I wish the Irish Catholic Church would be more reasonable > and > attempt to understand these simple needs of the products of their former > faithful. > Respectfully > John (son of a Buckley) > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM, William P. Fahy <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Monica, >> >> The Bishop of Cork does not ban you seeing the records. They are in the >> process of digitising them. >> >> The microfilms for religious are available for research at the National >> Library and National Archives free of charge up to about 1880. >> >> For Church records after 1880 you must contact a cooperative Parish >> Priest >> or staff and they have the time or the incentive to look something up for >> you. >> >> You must have a religious or civil parish to narrow down the church area >> you >> wish to have a look at. >> >> If you look at my web site www.westcorkgenealogy.com and click on Church >> of >> Ireland Resources or Roman Catholic Resources you will find the records >> that >> are >> >> available in the various parishes of West Cork. Civil records are also >> available at www.familysearch.org and Birth, Marriage and Death record >> Indexes at >> >> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start. These will >> indicate the the year or the quarter& year plusVolume & Page number to >> help >> you get records from Ireland >> >> or you can use the same information to look up the microfilm number for >> copies of the original documents whether they be Birth, Marriage or Death >> records and if they have been filmed by >> >> the LDS church. The microfilm indicated in the records at the pilot >> search >> is only an Index, the Volume & Page number and the year of the event will >> get you what you need under Birth or >> >> Marriage records. >> >> >> Bill Fahy >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Pat! I'm just wondering if we might connect....I have Spillane in my family line.  My grandmother was Julia Mae Spillane.  She came to USA in April 1925.  She was the daughter of Sarah Jane (Harrington) & Michael Spillane (b. 04 Aug 1871).  The family was from the Beara Island.  Michael's parents were Julia O'Sullivan (b. abt April 1848) & Timothy Spillane (b. abt. Dec. 1837). I also have Hurley in my family. Bill Hurley married a Mary O'Sullivan.  Mary O'Sullivan is the daughter of  Minnie Spillane & Mort O'Sullivan. Look forward to hearing from you, Theresa E. Smith Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Stano-Carpenter" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:08:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Free availability of Irish Records My Hurley, Donahue & Spillane ancestors were Roman Catholic.  I keep hoping the Bishop will have a change of heart and permit access those records. Looks like it will be a longer wait.  In the meantime, can someone on the list recommend a few areas for researching the West Cork/Bantry, Glengariff area? Pat

>I have been following this thread with great interest and forwarding many >of the posts to my cousin whose research mainly involves Galway, not Cork, >but like us, she has often been frustrated in her bid to access family >records and information. Below is a reply I received from her outlining a >couple of her experiences. She also sent me photos of the cemetery but I >don't think we are encouraged to send attachments to this mailing list. >Sure enough though, the headstones are lined up along a fence and there is >a wide expanse of lovely green lawn where the headstones used to be, >complete with table and chairs, and a neat walkway made up of headstones! > > > Judie Morris, > Victoria, Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "'Judith'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:56 AM > Subject: RE: Free availability of Irish Records > > >> Just in case anyone is interested, I was amazed at St Francis in Galway >> that >> they had no record of the graves in the adjacent cemetery. Of course the >> headstones were so old you couldn't read them and in addition to that, >> they >> were being used as paving stones after being taken off the graves so that >> the staff could use the 'lawn' for a lunch table and chairs. >> At Ballinrobe I was insulted by the amount of money they wanted to charge >> for a FH search, especially after I handed over copies of my own on a CD >> (which I might add I never received any acknowledgement for). >> I found the people in the street more helpful, except for the staff at >> the >> manuscript dept and library in Dublin. I was just lucky that I was >> researching the most recorded family in Ireland. >> >> H >> >

"It was similar to being a municipal graveyard" .... Interesting comment ... and quite helpful way to think of this issue. --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Jack Crowley <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jack Crowley <[email protected]> Subject: RE: R.C. CHURCH NEAREST DUNMAHON/GLANWORTH 1838 To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:22 AM The Anglican Church was the Established church up to 1870 when it disestablished by Gladstone. As the established church it was part of the civil or government administration. All subjects were entitled to be buried in the graveyard as they were assumed to be members of the established church unless declared otherwise. It was similar to being a municipal graveyard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Walton Sent: 16 June 2009 07:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: R.C. CHURCH NEAREST DUNMAHON/GLANWORTH 1838 Margaret, I have been told that in those times it was not unusual for R.C to be buried in Cof I graveyards. John...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret trewick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Re: R.C. CHURCH NEAREST DUNMAHON/GLANWORTH 1838 > John > Another to add to the list. Thank you. > I am a little confused, because my lot were RC,  if in 1839 they would > have > RC burial/cemetery or have to be C of I then? > Margaret > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message