I am interested in any Clarkes found in Clonakilty. My great- grandmother was Annie Clarke Bennett, 1839-1867,daughter of John Clarke of Clonakilty. She married Josias Bennett of Clonakilty in 1859. Marion Clarke Bennett Ganzel, mb.ganzel@verizon.net

Hi, Jack thanks very much for the links greatly appreciated. Thanks to Jack's eagle eye he managed to locate, the Good Shepherd Convent up by the old Jail in Sundays Well on both the 1901 & 1911 census. Now that I have a good look it has hardened my resolve to try and find two girls I know where put in a Convent on the south side of the city near St Finbarrs. They would have been put in there around mid 1907 so would definitely be on the 1911 census. I have, obviously, searched for them by name, I only know the surname, Fitzpatrick, and ages they would have been born between 1898 and 1907, but can't find a Fitzpatrick that fits this criteria, nor can I find a Form G : College and Boarding-School return, so I can search the actual convent for what will no doubt be a misspelling. I know one of them was there till she grew up left and married and the other never left the place and I presume carried on in some working capacity. Has anyone stubbled across any Children's Convent/Boarding school/ Homes on the South side of the city when they have been looking at the 1901 or 1911 census? Or if they know of the actual address of any that I can go and look at directly, (I could not locate any addresses either)? If not if any one does would they be good enough to let me know as I have been up and down streets and lanes on the census looking at one record after another and a can't find a trace of any Convent/Boarding school/Home anywhere on the South side. Take care. Matt Falvey Perth W Australia On 29/07/2010, at 3:00 PM, irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Parish records (Jack Crowley) > 2. RE: Parish records (Jack Crowley) > > From: "Jack Crowley" <jcrowley@crowleysdfk.ie> > Date: 28 July 2010 5:49:49 PM > To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > Subject: RE: Parish records > Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > > Hi > This is the 1911 page. I hope you are familiar with how the > information is > recorded/presented. You may need to dig a little. > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4_Urban__part > _of_/Carrignaveigh/389621/ > > This is the 1901 page. It does various women as "visitors". That may > be > useful > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Carri > gnaveigh/1106274/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] > On Behalf Of Matt Falvey > Sent: 28 July 2010 03:46 > To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Parish records > > Hi Jack, you mentioned below that you found the Good Shepherd's > Convent on the census, could you let me know how? I can't find it any > where I have looked up and down the street Convent Ave and Search for > the name but just can't seem to locate it. What's the secret? I am > trying to find two orphans. > > Thanks > > Matt > > From: "Jack Crowley" <jcrowley@crowleysdfk.ie> > Date: 26 July 2010 11:21:17 PM > To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > Subject: RE: Parish records > Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > > The area is Sunday's Well. > It is in the Civil Parish of St. Mary's Shandon. > I think that in 1906 it was in the RC Cathedral Parish of St Mary > and St > Anne. > Cork Union is a much larger area. > > There was a Good Shepherd convent and orphanage in Sunday's Well. It > was > located just east of the City (or Women's) Gaol. I came across it by > chance > in the census. The names of the nuns are given and of the orphans but > not of > the "penitents" (i.e. the unwed mothers)....... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > From: "Jack Crowley" <jcrowley@crowleysdfk.ie> > Date: 28 July 2010 6:01:36 PM > To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > Subject: RE: Parish records > Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > > I found some further information by working back to the townland/ > street. > It is a list of females working in the laundry in 1901 which has to > be the > Good Shepherd. It gives initials not names. > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Carri > gnaveigh/1106274/ > This is the corresponding link to 1911 > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4_Urban__part > _of_/Carrignaveigh/ > > You may be able to find the children as their names and ages etc. > are given. > It may not be easy to locate the mothers but there is some > information there > that may help. > > Jack > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] > On Behalf Of Matt Falvey > Sent: 28 July 2010 03:46 > To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Parish records > > Hi Jack, you mentioned below that you found the Good Shepherd's > Convent on the census, could you let me know how? I can't find it any > where I have looked up and down the street Convent Ave and Search for > the name but just can't seem to locate it. What's the secret? I am > trying to find two orphans. > > Thanks > > Matt > > From: "Jack Crowley" <jcrowley@crowleysdfk.ie> > Date: 26 July 2010 11:21:17 PM > To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > Subject: RE: Parish records > Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com > > > The area is Sunday's Well. > It is in the Civil Parish of St. Mary's Shandon. > I think that in 1906 it was in the RC Cathedral Parish of St Mary > and St > Anne. > Cork Union is a much larger area. > > There was a Good Shepherd convent and orphanage in Sunday's Well. It > was > located just east of the City (or Women's) Gaol. I came across it by > chance > in the census. The names of the nuns are given and of the orphans but > not of > the "penitents" (i.e. the unwed mothers)....... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To contact the IRL-CORK list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CORK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CORK mailing list, send an email to IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text.

I found some further information by working back to the townland/street. It is a list of females working in the laundry in 1901 which has to be the Good Shepherd. It gives initials not names. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Carri gnaveigh/1106274/ This is the corresponding link to 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4_Urban__part _of_/Carrignaveigh/ You may be able to find the children as their names and ages etc. are given. It may not be easy to locate the mothers but there is some information there that may help. Jack -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Matt Falvey Sent: 28 July 2010 03:46 To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Parish records Hi Jack, you mentioned below that you found the Good Shepherd's Convent on the census, could you let me know how? I can't find it any where I have looked up and down the street Convent Ave and Search for the name but just can't seem to locate it. What's the secret? I am trying to find two orphans. Thanks Matt From: "Jack Crowley" <jcrowley@crowleysdfk.ie> Date: 26 July 2010 11:21:17 PM To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: Parish records Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com The area is Sunday's Well. It is in the Civil Parish of St. Mary's Shandon. I think that in 1906 it was in the RC Cathedral Parish of St Mary and St Anne. Cork Union is a much larger area. There was a Good Shepherd convent and orphanage in Sunday's Well. It was located just east of the City (or Women's) Gaol. I came across it by chance in the census. The names of the nuns are given and of the orphans but not of the "penitents" (i.e. the unwed mothers)....... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi This is the 1911 page. I hope you are familiar with how the information is recorded/presented. You may need to dig a little. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4_Urban__part _of_/Carrignaveigh/389621/ This is the 1901 page. It does various women as "visitors". That may be useful http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Carri gnaveigh/1106274/ -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Matt Falvey Sent: 28 July 2010 03:46 To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Parish records Hi Jack, you mentioned below that you found the Good Shepherd's Convent on the census, could you let me know how? I can't find it any where I have looked up and down the street Convent Ave and Search for the name but just can't seem to locate it. What's the secret? I am trying to find two orphans. Thanks Matt From: "Jack Crowley" <jcrowley@crowleysdfk.ie> Date: 26 July 2010 11:21:17 PM To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: Parish records Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com The area is Sunday's Well. It is in the Civil Parish of St. Mary's Shandon. I think that in 1906 it was in the RC Cathedral Parish of St Mary and St Anne. Cork Union is a much larger area. There was a Good Shepherd convent and orphanage in Sunday's Well. It was located just east of the City (or Women's) Gaol. I came across it by chance in the census. The names of the nuns are given and of the orphans but not of the "penitents" (i.e. the unwed mothers)....... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jack, you mentioned below that you found the Good Shepherd's Convent on the census, could you let me know how? I can't find it any where I have looked up and down the street Convent Ave and Search for the name but just can't seem to locate it. What's the secret? I am trying to find two orphans. Thanks Matt From: "Jack Crowley" <jcrowley@crowleysdfk.ie> Date: 26 July 2010 11:21:17 PM To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: Parish records Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com The area is Sunday's Well. It is in the Civil Parish of St. Mary's Shandon. I think that in 1906 it was in the RC Cathedral Parish of St Mary and St Anne. Cork Union is a much larger area. There was a Good Shepherd convent and orphanage in Sunday's Well. It was located just east of the City (or Women's) Gaol. I came across it by chance in the census. The names of the nuns are given and of the orphans but not of the "penitents" (i.e. the unwed mothers).......

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Hi Catherine Thanks for that info it gives us an other lead to follow up, Regards Evan Jones -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Catherine T. Fitzgerald Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 9:02 PM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Parish records I know that there was a Good Shepherd convent in Waterford and another in Limerick. Not sure about Cork. She could have been sent there. Regards Catherine Byrne Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan & Pauline Jones" <epjonbma@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:42:16 AM Subject: Parish records Hi. Could anybody please help with a couple of questions about Cork. (1) - What parish would cover the Sunday Wells area of Cork (and if its different the Cork Union) for R/C baptism records for 1906. (2) - Where would the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, look after and care for an unwed mother and her new born child (who was of no fixed abode) in Cork in 1906. Regards Evan Jones ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi. Could anybody please help with a couple of questions about Cork. (1) - What parish would cover the Sunday Wells area of Cork (and if its different the Cork Union) for R/C baptism records for 1906. (2) - Where would the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, look after and care for an unwed mother and her new born child (who was of no fixed abode) in Cork in 1906. Regards Evan Jones

The area is Sunday's Well. It is in the Civil Parish of St. Mary's Shandon. I think that in 1906 it was in the RC Cathedral Parish of St Mary and St Anne. Cork Union is a much larger area. There was a Good Shepherd convent and orphanage in Sunday's Well. It was located just east of the City (or Women's) Gaol. I came across it by chance in the census. The names of the nuns are given and of the orphans but not of the "penitents" (i.e. the unwed mothers) http://silverstealth.fotopic.net/c1509609.html See the video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbPyvF9fnhg It was very famous because "Little Nellie of Holy God", a poor soldiers child Nellie Organ who lived and died there. She was the object of much veneration because of her seeming innocence and qualities and her personal beliefs in God. http://homepage.eircom.net/~portlawns/Pages/little_nellie.htm -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Evan & Pauline Jones Sent: 26 July 2010 15:26 To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Parish records Hi Catherine Thanks for that info it gives us an other lead to follow up, Regards Evan Jones -----Original Message----- From: irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Catherine T. Fitzgerald Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 9:02 PM To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Parish records I know that there was a Good Shepherd convent in Waterford and another in Limerick. Not sure about Cork. She could have been sent there. Regards Catherine Byrne Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan & Pauline Jones" <epjonbma@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:42:16 AM Subject: Parish records Hi. Could anybody please help with a couple of questions about Cork. (1) - What parish would cover the Sunday Wells area of Cork (and if its different the Cork Union) for R/C baptism records for 1906. (2) - Where would the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, look after and care for an unwed mother and her new born child (who was of no fixed abode) in Cork in 1906. Regards Evan Jones ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know that there was a Good Shepherd convent in Waterford and another in Limerick. Not sure about Cork. She could have been sent there. Regards Catherine Byrne Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan & Pauline Jones" <epjonbma@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:42:16 AM Subject: Parish records Hi. Could anybody please help with a couple of questions about Cork. (1) - What parish would cover the Sunday Wells area of Cork (and if its different the Cork Union) for R/C baptism records for 1906. (2) - Where would the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, look after and care for an unwed mother and her new born child (who was of no fixed abode) in Cork in 1906. Regards Evan Jones ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 23 July 2010 23:41, <Josephpo2@aol.com> wrote: from josephpo2. You should be able to find the Dublin deaths in the > Irish Times and/or the Irish Independent newspapers, I'm a Dublin > Jackeen. > ======================== Jackeen???? Please explain. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

from josephpo2. You should be able to find the Dublin deaths in the Irish Times and/or the Irish Independent newspapers, I'm a Dublin Jackeen. In a message dated 7/23/2010 9:33:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, heather_horgan@shaw.ca writes: I have been unable to find two Obits on line, one a relative who died in Dublin 1953, the other in Cork City in 1922. I am assuming the best place to find these would be in those respective City libraries? On my "to do" list for next visit to Ireland but sure wish I could find them sooner. Is there a way to pay for having these looked up, or any volunteer look-up service that anyone knows of? I have tried many sites and old newspaper archives to no avail. Thanks for any advice. Heather (snip) > Your best resource would be the National Library in Dublin where you can > look at microfilm of parish records. If you went to Mallow the Heritage > Centre there would do research for you but you wouldn't be able to look at > their collection yourself. There is also the National Archives in Dublin > and in Cork there is the City Library, the County Library and the Cork > Archives Institute. > > - - - - > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Patsy. I did not have this particular piece of information. I will try to follow up as Michael Murphy would be my 4(?) gt gfr. Lorraine www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: BREWERY at Donnemark > Hi Lorraine - do you have the 1839 description of the place? > > Spelt Dun/namark: > > Mentions J MURPHY Esq who owns the mill and brewery there. > > In the Griffiths Valuation it appears that a Michael MURPHY has the Mill > lot > along with a Mary DOWNEY, and Johanna LUCY (he appears to be letting > houses > to these two). > > Not sure this helps a lot and you may have this already. > > Regards, Patsy - New Zealand > > > Website: > http://www.loanegenealogy.webs.com > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:31 AM > Subject: BREWERY at Donnemark > > >> Has anyone heard of a brewery at Donnemark, Cork owned by Murphy Seems >> there were also some mills .Trying to find out a little about the people >> who owned it. >> >> Lorraine www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 605 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Lorraine - do you have the 1839 description of the place? Spelt Dun/namark: Mentions J MURPHY Esq who owns the mill and brewery there. In the Griffiths Valuation it appears that a Michael MURPHY has the Mill lot along with a Mary DOWNEY, and Johanna LUCY (he appears to be letting houses to these two). Not sure this helps a lot and you may have this already. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Website: http://www.loanegenealogy.webs.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: BREWERY at Donnemark > Has anyone heard of a brewery at Donnemark, Cork owned by Murphy Seems > there were also some mills .Trying to find out a little about the people > who owned it. > > Lorraine www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com

please forward to Mallow site Begin forwarded message: > From: Pat Lewis <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> > Date: July 23, 2010 5:31:37 PM EDT > To: county cork <irl-cork@rootsweb.com>, iirl-cork-mallow digest > <irl-cork-mallow digest-@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Looking for right parish > > I am trying to determine a parish for the following towns/cities in > Cork and hopefully include some of the border of Limerick (years > 1800-1875) > > I need both C of I and RC parishes. Thank you to whoever can help. > > Kilbrin, > Liscarroll, > Ballincollig > > and the closest towns in Limerick to these. >

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Kay & Greg wrote: > So that we might make the most of the time we do have, I would like to ask > for help, to find research centres to visit, where it would be possible to > search local family records for families in :- > > Fermoy including Rathcormac and Kilworth - Families, McAuliffe, > O'Grady, Sheehan. - 1800 to 1850 Your best resource would be the National Library in Dublin where you can look at microfilm of parish records. If you went to Mallow the Heritage Centre there would do research for you but you wouldn't be able to look at their collection yourself. There is also the National Archives in Dublin and in Cork there is the City Library, the County Library and the Cork Archives Institute. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Mr. John Caplice, Dromore, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I have been unable to find two Obits on line, one a relative who died in Dublin 1953, the other in Cork City in 1922. I am assuming the best place to find these would be in those respective City libraries? On my "to do" list for next visit to Ireland but sure wish I could find them sooner. Is there a way to pay for having these looked up, or any volunteer look-up service that anyone knows of? I have tried many sites and old newspaper archives to no avail. Thanks for any advice. Heather (snip) > Your best resource would be the National Library in Dublin where you can > look at microfilm of parish records. If you went to Mallow the Heritage > Centre there would do research for you but you wouldn't be able to look at > their collection yourself. There is also the National Archives in Dublin > and in Cork there is the City Library, the County Library and the Cork > Archives Institute. > > - - - - > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone heard of a brewery at Donnemark, Cork owned by Murphy Seems there were also some mills .Trying to find out a little about the people who owned it. Lorraine www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 603 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi I was looking at something else when I came across this interesting mention of the Love family in west Cork in an article by Ginni Swanton. It confirms the location of the Love family as being in west Cork "Rural Protestantism was not the exclusive preserve of the land-owning ascendancy classes in southern Ireland. While not in the great numbers found in the northern counties, there did exist a class of rural Protestant in the south that was neither 'gentry' nor 'poor cottier' nor 'land agent'. This class of farmer was found in pockets throughout the south, usually the result of long-forgotten plantation policy (sometimes by individual lords of the soil over a long period). One such pocket was in the area from Bandon west to Bantry and south to Skibbereen. Prosperous Protestant tenant farmers inhabited this section of the county, such as the families of Good, Bradfield, Shorten (Bandon), Shannon, Dukelow (Durrus), Sweetman, Trinder (Clonakilty), Swanton, Attridge, Young (Ballydehob), Levis, Roycroft (Schull) Love (Kilmore), and numerous families of Kingston in Drimoleague. These families intermarried over generations, maintaining their Protestantism with some difficulty since they were so economically close to many Catholic families around them, and producing an intermarriage pattern more complex than that of the gentry. Such Protestant farming families provided the raw material in the 1830s when, through the medium of the Orange Order the gentry tried -- for a brief period -- to imitate Catholic 'mass' politics. When observed from afar, county landed society in early nineteenth century Ireland seemed self-contained, introspective almost unitary. In many respects, it was almost an extended familial unit in itself -- a conclusion buttressed by the complex interrelationships built up over generations between various families in the county. This notion of an 'extended family' covers more than a concept of two-dimensional relationship -- of cousins marrying, of rows between families. Rather, it represents more mundane matters -- of money, of patterns of land ownership, of the very basic means by which families and individuals within landed society held their positions, improved and disimproved their lot relative to each other." Ginni does not seem to quote a source for the above extract. I believe it to be factually correct. http://www.ginnisw.com/Ginni's%20Family%20History%20Book/XHTML%20Files/prote stants%20and%20catholics.html My understanding is that the Love families in Cork are descended from English settlers of the late 16th/early 17th century in the Elizabethan Plantation of Munster following the Desmond Rebellion. Though many are now RC they can usually be traced back to Anglican forebears. Many were farmers. There was a milling business in Cork, E Love & Son up to some years ago. There are at least 2 men in the 1901/1911 census in Cork who described themselves as corn merchants. I think the Love families of Scottish origin in Ulster are quite separate

Jack, I am sending this message to Carolyn Perkes as she is the one who asked about the Loves. No Loves in my family! Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Crowley To: knowltonew@earthlink.net;irl-cork@rootsweb.com Sent: 7/19/2010 1:34:11 PM Subject: Thomas and Jane Love Co. Cork Hi I was looking at something else when I came across this interesting mention of the Love family in west Cork in an article by Ginni Swanton. It confirms the location of the Love family as being in west Cork "Rural Protestantism was not the exclusive preserve of the land-owning ascendancy classes in southern Ireland. While not in the great numbers found in the northern counties, there did exist a class of rural Protestant in the south that was neither 'gentry' nor 'poor cottier' nor 'land agent'. This class of farmer was found in pockets throughout the south, usually the result of long-forgotten plantation policy (sometimes by individual lords of the soil over a long period). One such pocket was in the area from Bandon west to Bantry and south to Skibbereen. Prosperous Protestant tenant farmers inhabited this section of the county, such as the families of Good, Bradfield, Shorten (Bandon), Shannon, Dukelow (Durrus), Sweetman, Trinder (Clonakilty), Swanton, Attridge, Young (Ballydehob), Levis, Roycroft (Schull) Love (Kilmore), and numerous families of Kingston in Drimoleague. These families intermarried over generations, maintaining their Protestantism with some difficulty since they were so economically close to many Catholic families around them, and producing an intermarriage pattern more complex than that of the gentry. Such Protestant farming families provided the raw material in the 1830s when, through the medium of the Orange Order the gentry tried -- for a brief period -- to imitate Catholic 'mass' politics. When observed from afar, county landed society in early nineteenth century Ireland seemed self-contained, introspective almost unitary. In many respects, it was almost an extended familial unit in itself -- a conclusion buttressed by the complex interrelationships built up over generations between various families in the county. This notion of an 'extended family' covers more than a concept of two-dimensional relationship -- of cousins marrying, of rows between families. Rather, it represents more mundane matters -- of money, of patterns of land ownership, of the very basic means by which families and individuals within landed society held their positions, improved and disimproved their lot relative to each other.� Ginni does not seem to quote a source for the above extract. I believe it to be factually correct. http://www.ginnisw.com/Ginni's%20Family%20History%20Book/XHTML%20Files/protestants%20and%20catholics.html My understanding is that the Love families in Cork are descended from English settlers of the late 16th/early 17th century in the Elizabethan Plantation of Munster following the Desmond Rebellion. Though many are now RC they can usually be traced back to Anglican forebears. Many were farmers. There was a milling business in Cork, E Love & Son up to some years ago. There are at least 2 men in the 1901/1911 census in Cork who described themselves as corn merchants. I think the Love families of Scottish origin in Ulster are quite separate