The National Maritime Museum have a website covering memorials at: http://www.nmm.ac.uk/memorials/Memorials.cfm which may be of assistance Regards Jeanette Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddug Hollett" <buddugh@talktalk.net> To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 10:22 PM Subject: drowning between Tralee and Schull > Hello > I'm trying to establish how a member of my ancestral family drowned > between Tralee and Schull on the 9th February 1884 whilst a crew member on > a vessel . Unfortunately I don't have the name of the ship . All I have is > the inscription on the family gravestone naming him as Lewis Williams aged > 14 ys ,drowned between the places mentioned above .It did imply that his > body wasn't recovered . He came from Newuay ,Cardiganshire Wales . > Does anyone know of any shipping disasters for that time and in the areas > mentioned or any newspaper report of the drowning ? > many thanks > Buddug Hollett > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just uploaded some photos from Kilbrogan Cemetery (CoI) in Bandon. Some of these are a bit hard to read. There is a text file with what could be deciphered. Thanks go to Mary Leonard-Walsh for taking the pictures! To view go to our main page: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on CORK and then HEADSTONES Christina IGP Archives ===============================

Hi Many thanks indeed for your email . I've checked the website and it really does make interesting reading to me as I was born in the New Quay area myself and some of my ancestors were there and in the area in 1851. However ,what was most interesting in the article ,although tragic, was the report of the drowning of the person in 1884 in the same place .This might mean that the vessel went down or hit rocks etc rather than an accidental drowning . I would also think that there must be some welsh newspaper report of the incident somwhere especially that there were 2 drownings at least both from the same area . I would imagine as well that the the ship would perhaps have been a local ship to the area . Once again , many thanks regards, Buddug Hollett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline & Eugene Nolan" <cenolan@eircom.net> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: drowning between Tralee and Schull > Hi > > I did not find anything on Lewis Williams, but I did find a reference on a > Welsh website about the 1851 census which shows the following: > > Jane Davies, Penrhiw, a mariner's wife, had five children at the > time of the Census. Her long life spanned the period from Waterloo to > Mafeking, and James her husband lived to be 86, but two of their sons > were lost at sea: John, a baby of 9 months in 1851, drowned at Queens- > town (Cork) thirty years later and a son, James, born in 1852, drowned > in 1884 on a voyage from Tralee to Schull. > > The website address for the excerpt is: > http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1093205/llgc-id:1097087/llgc-id:1097421/getText > > And although I don't have a current subscription, I browsed irishtimes.com > which shows headlines even if you don't have a paid subscription and it > appears that there were terrible storms in February 1884 which might have > a > bearing? > > Regards > Caroline > > ____________________________ > >>> >>>> Hello >>>> I'm trying to establish how a member of my ancestral family drowned >>>> between Tralee and Schull on the 9th February 1884 whilst a crew member >>>> on >>>> a vessel . Unfortunately I don't have the name of the ship . All I have >>>> is >>>> the inscription on the family gravestone naming him as Lewis Williams >>>> aged >>>> 14 ys ,drowned between the places mentioned above .It did imply that >>>> his >>>> body wasn't recovered . He came from Newuay ,Cardiganshire Wales . >>>> Does anyone know of any shipping disasters for that time and in the >>>> areas >>>> mentioned or any newspaper report of the drowning ? >>>> many thanks >>>> Buddug Hollett > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I did not find anything on Lewis Williams, but I did find a reference on a Welsh website about the 1851 census which shows the following: Jane Davies, Penrhiw, a mariner's wife, had five children at the time of the Census. Her long life spanned the period from Waterloo to Mafeking, and James her husband lived to be 86, but two of their sons were lost at sea: John, a baby of 9 months in 1851, drowned at Queens- town (Cork) thirty years later and a son, James, born in 1852, drowned in 1884 on a voyage from Tralee to Schull. The website address for the excerpt is: http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1093205/llgc-id:1097087/llgc-id:1097421/getText And although I don't have a current subscription, I browsed irishtimes.com which shows headlines even if you don't have a paid subscription and it appears that there were terrible storms in February 1884 which might have a bearing? Regards Caroline ____________________________ >> >>> Hello >>> I'm trying to establish how a member of my ancestral family drowned >>> between Tralee and Schull on the 9th February 1884 whilst a crew member >>> on >>> a vessel . Unfortunately I don't have the name of the ship . All I have >>> is >>> the inscription on the family gravestone naming him as Lewis Williams >>> aged >>> 14 ys ,drowned between the places mentioned above .It did imply that his >>> body wasn't recovered . He came from Newuay ,Cardiganshire Wales . >>> Does anyone know of any shipping disasters for that time and in the >>> areas >>> mentioned or any newspaper report of the drowning ? >>> many thanks >>> Buddug Hollett

Hi Jenny Thanks for your email and the interest in my request regards, Buddug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Stiles" <jstiles@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: drowning between Tralee and Schull > Hi Buddug. > Unfortunately, your family member may have just had the misfortune to have > been lost overboard. On of mine was presumed to have fallen overboard 1 > Dec > 1889 aged 19 on the way to the Cape of Good Hope. His fate is only known > from a letter written to his parents. > I hope you manage to solve your mystery. > >>From Jenny, Sydney, Australia > My Family History Website > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buddug Hollett" <buddugh@talktalk.net> > To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:22 AM > Subject: drowning between Tralee and Schull > > >> Hello >> I'm trying to establish how a member of my ancestral family drowned >> between Tralee and Schull on the 9th February 1884 whilst a crew member >> on >> a vessel . Unfortunately I don't have the name of the ship . All I have >> is >> the inscription on the family gravestone naming him as Lewis Williams >> aged >> 14 ys ,drowned between the places mentioned above .It did imply that his >> body wasn't recovered . He came from Newuay ,Cardiganshire Wales . >> Does anyone know of any shipping disasters for that time and in the areas >> mentioned or any newspaper report of the drowning ? >> many thanks >> Buddug Hollett >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jeanette Thanks for the info .I hadn't tried that site Thanks again, Buddug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Lee" <JeanetteLee@bigpond.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 7:42 AM Subject: Re: drowning between Tralee and Schull > The National Maritime Museum have a website covering memorials at: > > http://www.nmm.ac.uk/memorials/Memorials.cfm > > which may be of assistance > Regards > Jeanette Lee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buddug Hollett" <buddugh@talktalk.net> > To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 10:22 PM > Subject: drowning between Tralee and Schull > > >> Hello >> I'm trying to establish how a member of my ancestral family drowned >> between Tralee and Schull on the 9th February 1884 whilst a crew member >> on >> a vessel . Unfortunately I don't have the name of the ship . All I have >> is >> the inscription on the family gravestone naming him as Lewis Williams >> aged >> 14 ys ,drowned between the places mentioned above .It did imply that his >> body wasn't recovered . He came from Newuay ,Cardiganshire Wales . >> Does anyone know of any shipping disasters for that time and in the areas >> mentioned or any newspaper report of the drowning ? >> many thanks >> Buddug Hollett >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I'm trying to establish how a member of my ancestral family drowned between Tralee and Schull on the 9th February 1884 whilst a crew member on a vessel . Unfortunately I don't have the name of the ship . All I have is the inscription on the family gravestone naming him as Lewis Williams aged 14 ys ,drowned between the places mentioned above .It did imply that his body wasn't recovered . He came from Newuay ,Cardiganshire Wales . Does anyone know of any shipping disasters for that time and in the areas mentioned or any newspaper report of the drowning ? many thanks Buddug Hollett

On Fri, 3 Sep 2010, Colman Ahern wrote: > That sounds interesting Dennis. I don't have access to to the Tiara > newsletter, can you provide me with a copy of the article or further details? <deleted> >> See http://tiara.ie/newsletterindex.php for reference to TIARA newsletter >> Vol. 22, No. 3, from 2005, in which a Mary L. Meservey uncovers a clue in a >> tangential reference I made to Clayton Love in a lecture. Sorry, but laying my hands on a specific issue of the TIARA newsletter at this point would be a major undertaking. It would be easier to contact the TIARA editors and see if they have a facility for copying individual articles on request. I think it was in the context of a lecture on Civil War research in which I went off into left field and talked about how I had overheard someone at a conference say they were researching Clayton Love. The very next day, I was transcribing articles from the 19th Century Cork Examiner for the IrelandOldNews.com website when I came across the name Clayton Love. Unfortunately, I had no way of identifying the person who was looking for Clayton Love. The talk in which I mentioned this incident was transcribed for the TIARA newsletter and the person who was researching Clayton Love saw it. And somehow they got in touch and I gave them the info I found. Since then there have been other mentions of Clayton Love on the IrelandOldNews.com website. Check them out. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

That sounds interesting Dennis. I don't have access to to the Tiara newsletter, can you provide me with a copy of the article or further details? Thank you. Colman. On 9/3/2010 4:36 AM, Dennis Ahern wrote: > > Colman Ahern <CAhern49@dslextreme.com> said: > > "One is a Clayton Love, he was engaged to my Grandaunt Mary Margery > Ahern at one point but apparently there was some objection to the > marriage from the Love family." > > See http://tiara.ie/newsletterindex.php for reference to TIARA > newsletter Vol. 22, No. 3, from 2005, in which a Mary L. Meservey > uncovers a clue in a tangential reference I made to Clayton Love in a > lecture. > > -dja > >

Colman Ahern <CAhern49@dslextreme.com> said: "One is a Clayton Love, he was engaged to my Grandaunt Mary Margery Ahern at one point but apparently there was some objection to the marriage from the Love family." See http://tiara.ie/newsletterindex.php for reference to TIARA newsletter Vol. 22, No. 3, from 2005, in which a Mary L. Meservey uncovers a clue in a tangential reference I made to Clayton Love in a lecture. -dja

I am looking for a lost cousin. Michael O'Rourke was born in Dundalk, Co. Lough, he worked in the Sweet Afton cigarette factory and in Clarls Shoe maker. He moved to Cork city about 1950 and I think he married Isme O'Mahoney. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Could be coal mining. Both Wales and Pittsburgh, PA were known for this type of mining. Regards Catherine Byrne Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steitz" <john.steitz@gmail.com> To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:18:58 AM Subject: Re: info regarding census data and more Mary Just throwing something out there but maybe some significance on a general sense. I have a Devan/ Devane & Prendeville family from Castleisland who came to Merthyr Tydfil, Wales mid 1860's. That isn't too far from Milltown. There must have been some type of push from that region in that time frame. That family also eventually ended up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania by 1880. John On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:51 PM, marysimpson <marymcs@talktalk.net> wrote: > I should also like to thank all those who replied to my queries - and > all the extra sources that they cite, such a help to people digging up > the 19th century. > > It really does help to " put flesh on the bones " of understanding what > all our families lives were like back then. > > Ray, although I said that part of my family came from Castlemaine / > Milltown, the parish was actually Kilcolman, just to the south of > Castlemaine, and the townland was Cloonmore. My great grandmother said > that she was from Castlemaine even though her parish was Kilcolman. > Another part of my family, from Templemichael / Ballinhassig in Cork, > had an instance of a great great grandfather in the Griffith's just > leasing a garden and house of an acre and a bit - he shared con-acre > with another in the townland, Killaminoge, but then, in 1860 he is > suddenly leasing over a hundred acres in the neighbouring townland of > Clogheenduane, which he farmed with the rest of the family for the next > twenty years. Quite a jump. And we also had family from near Goleen > on the Mizen, in the parish of Kilmoe, which had dreadful losses in the > hunger. > > It is fascinating to compare and contrast different branches of > families and their fluctuating fortunes. But I know that I am lucky in > knowing where - most - of them came from. > > John S & John B thank you also for the great links, I also vaguely > remember that the University of Southampton had Parliamentary lists of > statistics from the old census and they were online. > > Rod your project sound wonderful and very interesting indeed. It'll > take a heck of a lot of work, but what a subject to get your teeth > into! I did get some great stuff from Donough although he had the info > on my great grandfather Daniel Spillane wrong. But that wasn't > surprising as Dan had lost touch completely with his family back in > Glenflesk / Killaha, I suspect that he actually ran away. None of his > children were named after his parents, only his grandparents. I would > love to know what the spat was all about..... > > And thank you William for that website. Great stuff - only now its > stuck and saying too many people trying it! > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Just throwing something out there but maybe some significance on a general sense. I have a Devan/ Devane & Prendeville family from Castleisland who came to Merthyr Tydfil, Wales mid 1860's. That isn't too far from Milltown. There must have been some type of push from that region in that time frame. That family also eventually ended up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania by 1880. John On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:51 PM, marysimpson <marymcs@talktalk.net> wrote: > I should also like to thank all those who replied to my queries - and > all the extra sources that they cite, such a help to people digging up > the 19th century. > > It really does help to " put flesh on the bones " of understanding what > all our families lives were like back then. > > Ray, although I said that part of my family came from Castlemaine / > Milltown, the parish was actually Kilcolman, just to the south of > Castlemaine, and the townland was Cloonmore. My great grandmother said > that she was from Castlemaine even though her parish was Kilcolman. > Another part of my family, from Templemichael / Ballinhassig in Cork, > had an instance of a great great grandfather in the Griffith's just > leasing a garden and house of an acre and a bit - he shared con-acre > with another in the townland, Killaminoge, but then, in 1860 he is > suddenly leasing over a hundred acres in the neighbouring townland of > Clogheenduane, which he farmed with the rest of the family for the next > twenty years. Quite a jump. And we also had family from near Goleen > on the Mizen, in the parish of Kilmoe, which had dreadful losses in the > hunger. > > It is fascinating to compare and contrast different branches of > families and their fluctuating fortunes. But I know that I am lucky in > knowing where - most - of them came from. > > John S & John B thank you also for the great links, I also vaguely > remember that the University of Southampton had Parliamentary lists of > statistics from the old census and they were online. > > Rod your project sound wonderful and very interesting indeed. It'll > take a heck of a lot of work, but what a subject to get your teeth > into! I did get some great stuff from Donough although he had the info > on my great grandfather Daniel Spillane wrong. But that wasn't > surprising as Dan had lost touch completely with his family back in > Glenflesk / Killaha, I suspect that he actually ran away. None of his > children were named after his parents, only his grandparents. I would > love to know what the spat was all about..... > > And thank you William for that website. Great stuff - only now its > stuck and saying too many people trying it! > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I should also like to thank all those who replied to my queries - and all the extra sources that they cite, such a help to people digging up the 19th century. It really does help to " put flesh on the bones " of understanding what all our families lives were like back then. Ray, although I said that part of my family came from Castlemaine / Milltown, the parish was actually Kilcolman, just to the south of Castlemaine, and the townland was Cloonmore. My great grandmother said that she was from Castlemaine even though her parish was Kilcolman. Another part of my family, from Templemichael / Ballinhassig in Cork, had an instance of a great great grandfather in the Griffith's just leasing a garden and house of an acre and a bit - he shared con-acre with another in the townland, Killaminoge, but then, in 1860 he is suddenly leasing over a hundred acres in the neighbouring townland of Clogheenduane, which he farmed with the rest of the family for the next twenty years. Quite a jump. And we also had family from near Goleen on the Mizen, in the parish of Kilmoe, which had dreadful losses in the hunger. It is fascinating to compare and contrast different branches of families and their fluctuating fortunes. But I know that I am lucky in knowing where - most - of them came from. John S & John B thank you also for the great links, I also vaguely remember that the University of Southampton had Parliamentary lists of statistics from the old census and they were online. Rod your project sound wonderful and very interesting indeed. It'll take a heck of a lot of work, but what a subject to get your teeth into! I did get some great stuff from Donough although he had the info on my great grandfather Daniel Spillane wrong. But that wasn't surprising as Dan had lost touch completely with his family back in Glenflesk / Killaha, I suspect that he actually ran away. None of his children were named after his parents, only his grandparents. I would love to know what the spat was all about..... And thank you William for that website. Great stuff - only now its stuck and saying too many people trying it! Mary

I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that I would like to see if anyone else has views about. 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. Mary

Mary Yes I have noticed some quirks with the AIA Griffith's also. As a result I usually work with a window of Google map open and often the older internet version of Griffiths at the same time. john On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:13 AM, marysimpson <marymcs@talktalk.net> wrote: > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks anyway Marion.....Clonmel sits on the border of Tipperary and Waterford, midway between Waterford and Tipperary. I involved CORK due to the "lead" of the name Thomas from that Co. Bill On 21/08/2010 12:22 AM, Ms Marion Ganzel wrote: > I'm not familiar with "Clonmel". My family came from Clonakilty in county > Cork. I do not know of any Williams or Bowles. > Sorry! > Marion Ganzel > > >

This message has no content. The files you are sending cannot be opened. If anyone else can open them, please let me know. I'm using an iPhone but I went to a computer at the Internet cafe+still couldn't open them. Maggie On 21 Aug 2010, at 08:00, irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: MARRIAGE OF WILLIAMS AND BOWLES OF CLONMEL (Ms Marion Ganzel) 2. Re: MARRIAGE OF WILLIAMS AND BOWLES OF CLONMEL (Colman Ahern) 3. MARRIAGE OF WILLIAMS AND BOWLES OF CLONMEL (Billeye) <mime-attachment> <mime-attachment> <mime-attachment> To contact the IRL-CORK list administrator, send an email to IRL-CORK-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-CORK mailing list, send an email to IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

G'day Folks, I am researching some of my GGGrandparents who apparently came to Australia in the 1840s, I have one side of the family and am now endeavouring to locate records for the other. These people are a John WILLIAMS who has been described as an Artillery Officer and Gardener and his wife Susanna BOWLES who would have married about 1822. All records found in Oz indicate that the family came from Clonmel and I have documents showing that three daughters definitely came from Clonmel. Surviving children from the marriage were Elizabeth, Margaret, Ann, John and Thomas Bowles WILLIAMS. Susanna BOWLES' parents were Thomas and Mary (SIMPSON) but I do not have any idea as to the parents of John WILLIAMS. I have located what appear to be burials for these at St Mary's C of I, Clonmel. Their ages at death indicate that Thomas was born abt 1763 and Mary three years later. Mary died in 1833 and Thomas in 1841. If John was an Artillery Officer then he may not have come from Clonmel, or Ireland for that matter, and was part of the Military Garrison there. This is all so new to me, for years I researched my family line without an Irish connection and then suddenly I was confronted by not only this WILLIAMS family but also another separate line from Co Armagh. Needless to say my research and geography knowledge of Ireland needed to improve rather rapidly. Hoping that someone my be able to assist in finding the marriage and origins of the above people. Thanks, Bill Iggleden Melbourne, Oz -- Maybe we have so long ridiculed authority in the family and discipline in education and decency in conduct and law in the state that the freedom we fought so hard for has brought us close to chaos. And it could be that our leaders no longer understand the relationship between themselves and the people they lead. ~ Legendary football coach Vince Lombardi (1913 - 1970)

Clonmel is listed for several places, a couple say St. Mary's Clonmel, perhaps Co. Tipperary is your best bet, a lot of english military there in those days. http://www.seanruad.com/ Colman Ahern Berkeley, Calif.