Hello Barbara, http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ is a very useful free site for those looking for BMD in England and Wales. It is not complete yet but you can always use the pay BMD site at http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/ For those outside the British Isles who try either site, the English and Welsh counties changed in 1974. Some new counties were created while some places were moved from one county to another. There have been some changes since, especially in Wales. A map of the counties before 1974 can be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Britain.html Rob Doragh Liverpool (Lancashire 1207-1974; Merseyside 1974 - ?) UK Barbara Taylor <[email protected]> Subject: Elizabeth Gibbons Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 info early years Elizabeth Gibbons (my 2 x g-grandmother)? b Donegal c1834 to James, a farmer. sometime she moved to Leigh Lancs, met my 2 x g-grandfather Isaac Grundy. m 1863 St Joseph's RC Church, Leigh - my g-grandfather David b1864. In censuses puts her occupation as milliner. I'd love to know where exactly born, who mother was, have brothers and sisters, when emigrated to England and with whom. Did father die in Lancashire or Ireland (deceased at time of her marriage. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo