Well, speaking as a fellow American, I’ve only studied less than two dozen cemeteries here in Ireland thus but I have come across older cemeteries certainly. I have 13 others I've shot and begun transcribing, in varying stages of completion, and the older stones I’ve photographed, dating from the 1700s and 1800s can often be very hard to read so it’s taking time to decipher. A lot of them I can’t even read with the naked eye and instead rely on my digital computer software to help me make out what they say. Even so, reading a single stone can sometimes take me the better part of an hour, sometimes more, but I stick with it because I know they’ll only continue to deteriorate. This was an extremely impoverished country for most of its history (I read somewhere recently Ireland has suffered arguably the longest repressive foreign occupation in history) and many of my own family members are in unmarked plots, not because everyone figured they’d remember who was buried where but because they couldn’t afford markers, or markers that would stand the test of time. You’ll see even in more recent times, for example, in this particular cemetery (Mevagh), that a number of markers were handwritten. Most of we Americans don’t really appreciate the fact that, pre-EU, this country was considered to be a Third World country. Additionally, many of the death registers have been lost, damaged or destroyed over the years. What I have come across mostly though, and I’m guessing that it’s because of the winds, boggy soil and wet conditions, is that many of the older gravestones have been fallen face down, or partially or even completely submerged. Many have literally sunk below the surface of the ground and are nothing more than lumps in nettle-ridden, overgrown grass. Perhaps the fact that it’s an island may also account for the extreme weathering of existing stones. I’ve seen stones as recent as the 1980s and 1990s that are barely legible anymore due to (I’m guessing) airborne sand and debris in the wind. The faces of the stones just wear off. But these are just guesses on my part. That’s actually why, albeit temporarily, I’ve joined the folks who, like Jane (who moderates Y-IRL and has contributed a mind-boggling amount of data via her website for us amateur genealogists) feel the urgency to preserve the information on these decaying stones. Some may not seem old now but they sure will to the generations who follow us, who’ll never otherwise get a chance to read and/or see these stones in legible condition. Fortunately, I'm pretty certain that, if only for its Catholic origins, the Irish don't mess with their cemeteries, they don't re-site them or re-use the stones. :o) Siobhán ----- Original Message ---- From: Jane Ward <janemar1e@yahoo.com> To: IRL-CO-Donegal <IRL-CO-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>; IRL-Donegal - List <IRL-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>; IRL-Donegaleire-L <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com>; hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 8:57:48 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - Cty Donegal A question, from an ignorant American. All of the graves seem to be fairly recent. What happened to earlier burials? Older graveyards? Our local cemeteries in Michigan go back to the 1850's and I'm sure I've seen earlier gravestones on our travels. Have the stones been re-used? melted away from acid-rain? or no-one thought it necessary to mark the graves since "everyone" knew where they were? --- On Wed, 7/2/08, hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> wrote: > From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> > Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - Cty Donegal > To: "IRL-CO-Donegal" <IRL-CO-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>, "IRL-Donegal - List" <IRL-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>, "IRL-Donegaleire-L" <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 11:54 AM > List Members, > > Another gem from our roving Irish reporter --- > > Siobhán, Gallagher has contributed the cemetery file for > Mevagh Church > Graveyard in Cty Donegal. > > "Mevagh Church Graveyard is located on Co. Donegal’s > northern coastline > on an > unnamed road (unnamed according to my GPS anyway), along > the signposted > Atlantic > Drive in Rosapenna, GPS coordinates N55.21062, > W7.81094" > > I wish to thank Siobhán for this addition to the website. > > You can view the file at: > http://tinyurl.com/57w5zv > > The file will be uploaded to the IGPA /Donegal website --- > soon. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ > > Have a nice day > Bob > Cdn > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific > text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the > digest from your reply. 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Very few of my ancestors graves have stones. Does than make them repressed and impoverished? I think not. Naw - they were just too mean to waste the money on a headstone. (And when they did, all they said was "The Brewsters of Dromore". Yea thanks, folks.) Actually, I don't often get cross with what is said in this list but I do object to my country being called a Third World Country pre EU. Simmer simmer. Try to remember that some Irish people frequent these lists too. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Siobhan Sent: 02 July 2008 22:24 To: janemar1e@yahoo.com; IRL-CO-Donegal; IRL-Donegal - List; IRL-Donegaleire-L; hiflyte Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - Cty Donegal Well, speaking as a fellow American, I’ve only studied less than two dozen cemeteries here in Ireland thus but I have come across older cemeteries certainly. I have 13 others I've shot and begun transcribing, in varying stages of completion, and the older stones I’ve photographed, dating from the 1700s and 1800s can often be very hard to read so it’s taking time to decipher. A lot of them I can’t even read with the naked eye and instead rely on my digital computer software to help me make out what they say. Even so, reading a single stone can sometimes take me the better part of an hour, sometimes more, but I stick with it because I know they’ll only continue to deteriorate. This was an extremely impoverished country for most of its history (I read somewhere recently Ireland has suffered arguably the longest repressive foreign occupation in history) and many of my own family members are in unmarked plots, not because everyone figured they’d remember who was buried where but because they couldn’t afford markers, or markers that would stand the test of time. You’ll see even in more recent times, for example, in this particular cemetery (Mevagh), that a number of markers were handwritten. Most of we Americans don’t really appreciate the fact that, pre-EU, this country was considered to be a Third World country. Additionally, many of the death registers have been lost, damaged or destroyed over the years. What I have come across mostly though, and I’m guessing that it’s because of the winds, boggy soil and wet conditions, is that many of the older gravestones have been fallen face down, or partially or even completely submerged. Many have literally sunk below the surface of the ground and are nothing more than lumps in nettle-ridden, overgrown grass. Perhaps the fact that it’s an island may also account for the extreme weathering of existing stones. I’ve seen stones as recent as the 1980s and 1990s that are barely legible anymore due to (I’m guessing) airborne sand and debris in the wind. The faces of the stones just wear off. But these are just guesses on my part. That’s actually why, albeit temporarily, I’ve joined the folks who, like Jane (who moderates Y-IRL and has contributed a mind-boggling amount of data via her website for us amateur genealogists) feel the urgency to preserve the information on these decaying stones. Some may not seem old now but they sure will to the generations who follow us, who’ll never otherwise get a chance to read and/or see these stones in legible condition. Fortunately, I'm pretty certain that, if only for its Catholic origins, the Irish don't mess with their cemeteries, they don't re-site them or re-use the stones. :o) Siobhán ----- Original Message ---- From: Jane Ward <janemar1e@yahoo.com> To: IRL-CO-Donegal <IRL-CO-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>; IRL-Donegal - List <IRL-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>; IRL-Donegaleire-L <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com>; hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 8:57:48 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - Cty Donegal A question, from an ignorant American. All of the graves seem to be fairly recent. What happened to earlier burials? Older graveyards? Our local cemeteries in Michigan go back to the 1850's and I'm sure I've seen earlier gravestones on our travels. Have the stones been re-used? melted away from acid-rain? or no-one thought it necessary to mark the graves since "everyone" knew where they were? --- On Wed, 7/2/08, hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> wrote: > From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> > Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - Cty Donegal > To: "IRL-CO-Donegal" <IRL-CO-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>, "IRL-Donegal - > List" <IRL-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>, "IRL-Donegaleire-L" > <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 11:54 AM List Members, > > Another gem from our roving Irish reporter --- > > Siobhán, Gallagher has contributed the cemetery file for Mevagh Church > Graveyard in Cty Donegal. > > "Mevagh Church Graveyard is located on Co. Donegal’s northern > coastline on an unnamed road (unnamed according to my GPS anyway), > along the signposted Atlantic Drive in Rosapenna, GPS coordinates > N55.21062, W7.81094" > > I wish to thank Siobhán for this addition to the website. > > You can view the file at: > http://tinyurl.com/57w5zv > > The file will be uploaded to the IGPA /Donegal website --- soon. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ > > Have a nice day > Bob > Cdn > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which > you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it > coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE > ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. 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Siobhan . If you take a piece of Chalk and rub it across the engravings they stand out . Laurie "A lot of them I can’t even read with the naked eye and instead rely on my digital computer software to help me make out what they say. Even so, reading a single stone can sometimes take me the better part of an hour, sometimes more, but I stick with it because I know they’ll only continue to deteriorate."

I agree - rub the headstones with chalk - BLUE works better than white if you have it.... it will be easier to read sometimes... then take a picture........... I've ,even then, have had to wait till I got the pictures back to read the headstone. Good luck Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Thompson" <lt030329@bigpond.net.au> To: "Siobhan" <smg_ct@yahoo.com>; <janemar1e@yahoo.com>; "IRL-CO-Donegal" <IRL-CO-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>; "IRL-Donegal - List" <IRL-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com>; "IRL-Donegaleire-L" <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com>; "hiflyte" <hiflyte@telus.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - CtyDonegal Siobhan . If you take a piece of Chalk and rub it across the engravings they stand out . Laurie "A lot of them I can’t even read with the naked eye and instead rely on my digital computer software to help me make out what they say. Even so, reading a single stone can sometimes take me the better part of an hour, sometimes more, but I stick with it because I know they’ll only continue to deteriorate." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please, NO!!!!. I researched the topic and wrote the following for our local genealogy newsletter last year: We rely on information on tombstones to help us in our research. Projects around the world transcribe cemeteries and make them available for those who can't visit. But how do you transcribe weathered tombstones without causing further damage. We are aware that items that we used in the past, such as shaving cream, may help temporarily but accelerate the damage caused by acid rain, vegetation and insects. I've done some research, in the interest of saving the tombstones for our descendants. Help Preserve Our Cemeteries (http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dsucha/preserve.html): Don't spray or rub anything into monuments in an attempt to make the inscriptions more visible. I have heard of people who rub shaving cream or chalk into tombstones so that the inscriptions stand out. There are many non-invasive ways of reading an inscription. Often a simple white card to reflect the light at an angle, or waiting for the right time of day, will make the inscription jump out. It is better to wait a couple of hours rather than risk damaging an historic monument. The Association for Gravestone Studies (http://www.gravestonestudies.org/welcome.htm): . Don't use shaving cream, chalk, graphite, dirt, or other concoctions in an attempt to read worn inscriptions. Use a mirror to shine sunlight across the face of a stone, making the lettering stand out. Always prefer a non-invasive method on gravestones just as we do on medical tests on our own bodies . Don't use detergents, soaps, vinegar, bleach, or any other cleaning solutions on the stone, no matter how mild! . Don't use stiff-bristled or wire brushes, putty knives, nail files, or any metal object to clean or to remove lichen from the stone; Soft natural bristled brushes, whisk brooms, or wooden sticks are usually OK if used gently and carefully . Don't attempt to remove stubborn lichen. Soft lichen may be thoroughly soaked with plain water and then loosened with a gum eraser or a wooden popsicle stick. Be gentle. Stop if lichen does not come off easily. Saving Graves (http://www.savinggraves.org/education/bookshelf/rubbings.htm) says: A Note About Shaving Cream, Flour Or Chalk: A word of advice, DON'T use shaving cream , chalk, flour or anything else on tombstones!. These have many ingredients harmful to tombstones (like butane) and in some cases can be abrasive. There are a number of websites that promote this method, with one going so far as to assure that the shaving cream will not harm the stone. Please do not attempt this as you WILL be causing a great of damage to the stone and even by washing it after you are finished you will not remove all of the material that you have placed on the stone. More detailed information on why not to use shaving cream on a stone can be found here. In the case of flour, "introducing a starchy organic material to the stone is a death knell for it. not only will feed the lichens that are there but will introduce new ones which will have little natural competition. Also, wheat paste, which the flour essentially becomes when that first rain pours down (or the first dew forms) is a great adhesive. Just because we can't see any of it doesn't mean that it is all gone. Those little fungi and microbes love that sort of stuff and it is best not to introduce anything to the surface of the stone." According to the Crayola website, Molded chalk, such as Crayola Colored chalk, is a softer chalk, made of plaster of Paris, which is defined as quick-setting gypsum plaster consisting of a fine, white powder, calcium sulfate hemihydrate, which hardens when moistened and allowed to dry. Sidewalk chalk is much harder than regular chalk; in fact, will actually scratch a typical chalkboard. Saving Graves received the following response from Crayola concerning the use of sidewalk chalk: "Crayola sidewalk chalk contains plaster of paris which has a gritty texture. Plaster of paris is not considered to be biodegradable, nor are most of the pigments contained in Crayola sidewalk chalk. Also, product packaging warns of colorants that may stain. This could be a good factor depending on the exact nature of what you are trying to do. While packaging does warn of colorants that may stain, chalk used outside generally washes away because of extreme weather conditions and excessive rain. Again, this could vary depending on the surface it is applied to." Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: July 2, 2008 6:09 PM To: Siobhan; janemar1e@yahoo.com; IRL-CO-Donegal; IRL-Donegal - List; IRL-Donegaleire-L; hiflyte Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - CtyDonegal Siobhan . If you take a piece of Chalk and rub it across the engravings they stand out . Laurie

hey - sorry. just read your posting. I had no idea that CHALK was harmful to stone. I only used it on very difficult to read stones & we would pour water over it to wash most of it off before we left. Won't do that anymore. Thanks for the warnings. Michelle learning something new everyday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike More" <mikemore@rogers.com> To: <IRL-CO-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Transcribing tombstones > Please, NO!!!!. I researched the topic and wrote the following for our local > genealogy newsletter last year: > > We rely on information on tombstones to help us in our research. Projects > around the world transcribe cemeteries and make them available for those who > can't visit. But how do you transcribe weathered tombstones without causing > further damage. We are aware that items that we used in the past, such as > shaving cream, may help temporarily but accelerate the damage caused by acid > rain, vegetation and insects. I've done some research, in the interest of > saving the tombstones for our descendants. > > Help Preserve Our Cemeteries (http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dsucha/preserve.html): > > Saving Graves (http://www.savinggraves.org/education/bookshelf/rubbings.htm) > says: > > A Note About Shaving Cream, Flour Or Chalk: A word of advice, DON'T use > shaving cream , chalk, flour or anything else on tombstones!. These have > many ingredients harmful to tombstones (like butane) and in some cases can > be abrasive. There are a number of websites that promote this method, with > one going so far as to assure that the shaving cream will not harm the > stone. Please do not attempt this as you WILL be causing a great of damage > to the stone and even by washing it after you are finished you will not > remove all of the material that you have placed on the stone. More detailed > information on why not to use shaving cream on a stone can be found here. > > According to the Crayola website, Molded chalk, such as Crayola Colored > chalk, is a softer chalk, made of plaster of Paris, which is defined as > quick-setting gypsum plaster consisting of a fine, white powder, calcium > sulfate hemihydrate, which hardens when moistened and allowed to dry. > Sidewalk chalk is much harder than regular chalk; in fact, will actually > scratch a typical chalkboard. Saving Graves received the following response > from Crayola concerning the use of sidewalk chalk: "Crayola sidewalk chalk > contains plaster of paris which has a gritty texture. Plaster of paris is > not considered to be biodegradable, nor are most of the pigments contained > in Crayola sidewalk chalk. Also, product packaging warns of colorants that > may stain. This could be a good factor depending on the exact nature of what > you are trying to do. While packaging does warn of colorants that may stain, > chalk used outside generally washes away because of extreme weather > conditions and excessive rain. Again, this could vary depending on the > surface it is applied to." > > Mike More > mikemore@rogers.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not quite as guaranteed is a digital picture and then in your picture editing software, try the "negative" view. Of course, the problem is, if it doesn't work, you have to trek back and do something else. Beth Cherkowsky http://members.aol.com/efc999/donahue.htm http://www.squidoo.com/donahuefamilyhistory/ Bradley, Donahue/Donohue, Boylan, McHugh, Manning/Mannion/Mangan, Barrett, Burke, Walsh & Forrester in Co. Mayo, Fountas, & Cerkauskas in US, Ireland, Greece, Lithuania & worldwide > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-co-donegal- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:09 PM > To: Siobhan; janemar1e@yahoo.com; IRL-CO-Donegal; IRL-Donegal - List; IRL- > Donegaleire-L; hiflyte > Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] [DONEGALEIRE] Mevagh Church Graveyard - > CtyDonegal > > Siobhan . If you take a piece of Chalk and rub it across the engravings they stand out . > Laurie > "A lot of them I can’t even read with the naked eye and instead rely on my digital > computer > software to help me make out what they say. Even so, reading a single stone can > sometimes take me the better part of an hour, sometimes more, but I stick with it > because I know they’ll only > continue to deteriorate." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message