Barry R McCain in his Ulster Heritage DNA Project Update 28 July 2008 reports two talks given at the 17th Ulster American Heritage Symposium Archaeologist Audrey Horning talked on the settlement of Scottish Gaels in Antrim on the eve of the Plantation; these were Roman Catholic and Gaelic speaking families who settled with the permission of the McDonnells of the Glens and Route. There were Catholic Lowland Scots that settled in Tyrone and more Scottish Gaels into Donegal. All these themes are extremely important to those of us hunting ancestors. These groups do not fit in the Presbyterian Ulster Scot stereotype, yet they also participated in the 18th Century migration to the Colonial USA and then others went into Canada in the 1830s. Professor Peter Toner of St Thomas University, New Brunswick is following the large Presbyterian Irish speaking communities in New Brunswick circa 1850s into the 20th Century. Yes, there were several communities of Irish speaking Presbyterians from Ulster in New Brunswick. Irish speaking Catholic Scots-Irish - whatever next! Eleanor Hull writing in her "History of Ireland" In 1628 Sir John Bingley reports that "there are at present in that city (Dublin) fourteen houses for the exercise of the Mass and one more remarkable than the rest for the Jesuits"; and the Bishop of Ossory gave the names of thirty priests working in his diocese. The general relaxation of the penal laws could not be better shown than by the multitude of English priests and Jesuits who took flight to Ireland for safety from the severe enactments that were the result of the discovery of the Gunpowder Plot in 1605, two years after James's accession to the throne, and by the advice given by Davies that priests and Jesuits, when captured in Ireland, should be sent over to England, where the penal laws could deal with them. The same thing happened in the North. Catholics from Scotland came flocking into Ulster to escape the severe penal laws "which gave them no rest" in their own country. They settled on the estates of the Earl of Abercorn and of Sirs William and Richard Hamilton, and of other Scottish nobles who welcomed them on their properties in accordance with the planters' desire to encourage English and Scottish tenants. It looked as if the efforts of James to make Ulster Protestant as a part of his "civilizing" policy were destined to failure, and that Ulster would speedily become as Catholic as the South; the Bishop of Derry complained to Claude, Master of Abercorn, that his diocese had become "a sink for all the corrupt humours purged out of Scotland." It is probable that many families of the present population of the North, looked down upon by the Protestant interest as Irish Catholics, are descendants of this immigration of Catholic Scots. Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat"

The content of below article deals mostly with Roman Catholics coming to Ulster. Presbyterians also fled the stringent rules of the Church of England - they had to hide in caves for worship to escape detection. And this went on from 1600s to early 1800s in both Scotland and Ireland. Quakers, Methodists, et al. too? Huguenots? And how many fleeing papal restrictions in Europe? Liam Martin <L.Martin@zen.co.uk> wrote: Barry R McCain in his Ulster Heritage DNA Project Update 28 July 2008 reports two talks given at the 17th Ulster American Heritage Symposium Archaeologist Audrey Horning talked on the settlement of Scottish Gaels in Antrim on the eve of the Plantation; these were Roman Catholic and Gaelic speaking families who settled with the permission of the McDonnells of the Glens and Route. There were Catholic Lowland Scots that settled in Tyrone and more Scottish Gaels into Donegal. All these themes are extremely important to those of us hunting ancestors. These groups do not fit in the Presbyterian Ulster Scot stereotype, yet they also participated in the 18th Century migration to the Colonial USA and then others went into Canada in the 1830s. Professor Peter Toner of St Thomas University, New Brunswick is following the large Presbyterian Irish speaking communities in New Brunswick circa 1850s into the 20th Century. Yes, there were several communities of Irish speaking Presbyterians from Ulster in New Brunswick. Irish speaking Catholic Scots-Irish - whatever next! Eleanor Hull writing in her "History of Ireland" In 1628 Sir John Bingley reports that "there are at present in that city (Dublin) fourteen houses for the exercise of the Mass and one more remarkable than the rest for the Jesuits"; and the Bishop of Ossory gave the names of thirty priests working in his diocese. The general relaxation of the penal laws could not be better shown than by the multitude of English priests and Jesuits who took flight to Ireland for safety from the severe enactments that were the result of the discovery of the Gunpowder Plot in 1605, two years after James's accession to the throne, and by the advice given by Davies that priests and Jesuits, when captured in Ireland, should be sent over to England, where the penal laws could deal with them. The same thing happened in the North. Catholics from Scotland came flocking into Ulster to escape the severe penal laws "which gave them no rest" in their own country. They settled on the estates of the Earl of Abercorn and of Sirs William and Richard Hamilton! , and of other Scottish nobles who welcomed them on their properties in accordance with the planters' desire to encourage English and Scottish tenants. It looked as if the efforts of James to make Ulster Protestant as a part of his "civilizing" policy were destined to failure, and that Ulster would speedily become as Catholic as the South; the Bishop of Derry complained to Claude, Master of Abercorn, that his diocese had become "a sink for all the corrupt humours purged out of Scotland." It is probable that many families of the present population of the North, looked down upon by the Protestant interest as Irish Catholics, are descendants of this immigration of Catholic Scots. Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message