My sincere thanks to both Liam and Annamarie for answering my query about the Roman Catholic records for Moville and Liam for your lists of McGRUDDYs and McCREADYs. Frances

But the phrase "for the remission of sins" may not be what some of us assume. The word "for" also means "because of," and there are many branches of the Christian faith which hold that baptism is practiced because a person's sins have been remitted, not in order that they may be. In the same vein, not every branch of the Christian faith believes that Paul was preaching baptism of the dead but instead, since the passage is actually an argument for the resurrection, that he was merely asking the Corinthians why they would bother being baptized for the dead if the dead are not resurrected. He wasn't agreeing with their practice, only using it to question their view that the dead are not resurrected. In any case, you are absolutely right that Christ is the only sinless person who has ever lived on this earth. With kind regards, Loretta -----Original Message----- From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bussanich Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:32 AM To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Vatican letter directs bishops to keepparishrecords from Mormons Since Baptism is for the remission of sins it is difficult to know why the Pope would want to prevent people from offering such a gift to their ancestors, even if he believes he alone has the authority.....There was no sinless person who lived and died except the Saviour himself....so a rededication of such covenants with the Lord can hardly offend any true Christian...that is all it should be viewed as...rededication of ones vows, or the vows ones sponsors made for one at the time of one's infant baptism....being made again by a relative, out of love and concern...and since the spirit or soul of the deceased person would be more able to understand than when he or she was an infant to me it makes sense.... I converted to LDS because the Nuns told me my Protestant mother who taught me to pray would go to hell.....and as a child, I didnt believe them. They also told me my cat had no soul and had not gone to heaven where my mother told me it had gone and so, knowing it had a spirit and I loved it...I disbelieved all they told me after that. As an adult I now know they meant well and were only repeating what they had been taught. I know they gave me a good education and are in Heaven now, learning more. I revere their memories now because of the tolerance I have learned in the LDS Church...of which I have been a member for 37 years. I have had some wonderful experiences in research which lead me to believe my deceased ancestors are happy that I care enough to preserve their records and heritage... and my grandparents were denied a Church wedding through no fault of their own, due to a divorce which was by desertion and not the fault of one of them so having them sealed for time and all eternity was DEFINITELY not against their wishes....it was the fulfilment of their wildest dreams. The torture they must have endured not being able to marry in Church has ended. The last Pope was such a forward thinking man. a true Saint.....I am sure he would not approve of the current decision which is a truly backward step to ecumenical oneness with ones fellow Christians..Attending Mass is rededicating oneself and if people have a Mass said for my deceased relatives I thank them for their kind thoughts. I hope they feel the same about prayers and requests in the Temple of the Lord for their deceased relatives...which are kindly meant as a gift of love and devotion...how can this offend anyone? Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Over the last 10 years I have been noting down some tips regarding Irish Family History. This has now reached about 15 pages of A4 and is too long to post to a list. Tribal Pages have recently introduced a facility to allow the posting of Family History Stories so I have added - Irish Genealogy - "A Family History Primer" by Liam Martin to one of my story sites. This can be found at the URL http://postmanbill2.tribalpages.com Go to "Useful Links" on the home page and click on "Irish Genealogy - A Family History Primer " Comments and suggestions for improvement are welcome Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat"

Beth Cherkowsky http://members.aol.com/efc999/donahue.htm http://www.squidoo.com/donahuefamilyhistory/ Bradley, Donahue/Donohue, Boylan, McHugh, Manning/Mannion/Mangan, Barrett, Burke, Walsh & Forrester in Co. Mayo, Fountas, & Cerkauskas in US, Ireland, Greece, Lithuania & worldwide > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-co-donegal- I really strongly object to the anti-Catholic sentiment in your email and I think we should all stick to GENEALOGY not religion. The Catholic Church has a right to their beliefs just as every other group does. I object to the way some Muslim sects treat their wives and women members. THAT is not a subject for this group either. Please cease and desist. > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bussanich > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:32 AM > To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Vatican letter directs bishops to keepparishrecords > from Mormons > > Since Baptism is for the remission of sins it is difficult to know why the > Pope would want to prevent people from offering such a gift to their > ancestors, even if he believes he alone has the authority.....There was no > sinless person who lived and died except the Saviour himself....so a > rededication > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message

Is anyone on the list able to tell me if any Moville Roman Catholic Church records are held by the church in Moville? I'm interested in finding any descendants of Michael McGruddy who was also listed as Michael McCready on the 1854 Tithe records, in particular a daughter Maggie, sister of my great grandfather William. I believe she married and stay in the Moville district. I hope to find out her married name and perhaps get in contact with any of her descendants before I come to Moville in August. Frances New Zealand

This weeks DONEGAL RESEARCHERS LIST - 9 May 2008 (Red Box)is ready for download: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/WhatsNew/New.html To obtain the list go to the above URL and click on the Line of text "Click Here to Download the Donegal Researchers List" (RED BOX) A box will open select "Save to Disk" button and hit OK Also read the other paragraphs on the page regarding viewing the DB. The updated version of this List will be issued bi-week, usually Friday. An email to the Donegaleire List will keep you informed. ============================ To Enter YOUR information in the Database follow these simple instructions: 1. Cut and Paste one of the following examples to a blank email and then INSERT YOUR data/information BETWEEN the Commas. Do NOT add spaces before or after the commas, they make the system work---just insert your data. If you do not know the information enter "u/k" without the quotes, u/k = unknown Substitute the @ for the "at" in the email address EXAMPLES: (Insert Your data between the commas) your email at somewhere,Glenties,Inishkeel,Adderwal,Smith Peter,White Mary,James,Mary,Cornelius,Elizabeth,Kathleen,Rosanne,Patrick,Sarah or your email at somewhere,Glenties,Inishkeel,u/k,Smith Peter,u/k Mary,James,Mary,Cornelius,Elizabeth,Kathleen,Rosanne,Patrick,Sarah ---------------------------------------- Breakdown: breakdown: your email address,PLU,Civil Parish,Townland,Prime Name,Spouses name,kid,kid,kid,kid,kid,kid,kid,kid ---------------------------------------- Mailing Instructions: Sent to the Donegaleire Mailing List Subject: New Donegal Researchers Names Send your email to the Donegaleire Mailing List: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com If all else fails and you are unable to accomplish the above contact me. Have a nice weekend Bob Cdn ===================

Moville - 1847 - 1880 RC Church registers - NLI, PRONI and TGC (The Genealogy Centre Derry). Not LDS unfortunately. The records should also be in the Church, Moville The 2001 Electoral Roll, shows no McGRUDDYs in all of the Rep of Ireland but there are 21 in the UK. There are 61 McCREADYs in County Donegal, none in Moville I sent the lists to you directly - give some of them a bell, they might be cousins. Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Braddick" <frances.braddick@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-CO-DONEGAL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] McGruddy McCready Moville > Is anyone on the list able to tell me if any Moville Roman Catholic Church > records are held by the church in Moville? > I'm interested in finding any descendants of Michael McGruddy who was also > listed as Michael McCready on the 1854 Tithe records, in particular a > daughter Maggie, sister of my great grandfather William. I believe she > married and stay in the Moville district. I hope to find out her married > name and perhaps get in contact with any of her descendants before I come > to Moville in August. > Frances > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 > 17:23 > >

How utterly sad. If the Vatican does not believe in the posthumous baptisms as being legit, then why would they care if their records were extracted by the LDS church? My family was all Catholic, up until my parents (we are LDS). Does this mean I cannot research them anymore? Whether or not they will be for Posthumous baptisms is irrelevant. I'm sure anyone of any faith would like to be able to research their ancestry. Utter silliness. No insult intended to any Catholics. My whole family in Europe still is...they love to pick on my lack of wine drinking! :) Leslie -----Original Message----- From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liam Martin Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:49 AM To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com; donegaleire@rootsweb.com; IRL-DONEGAL@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Vatican letter directs bishops to keep parish records from Mormons Saving our souls - losing our records In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. Read on at the URL http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Clearly, genealogists will now be sent different planets in paradise. Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had very good experiences when researching my Moville ancestor & collateral relatives in the church in Moville in 2004. They have most of it computerized. Warm regards, Annamarie Hessman amar@eurynome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Braddick" <frances.braddick@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-CO-DONEGAL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] McGruddy McCready Moville > Is anyone on the list able to tell me if any Moville Roman Catholic Church > records are held by the church in Moville? > I'm interested in finding any descendants of Michael McGruddy who was also > listed as Michael McCready on the 1854 Tithe records, in particular a > daughter Maggie, sister of my great grandfather William. I believe she > married and stay in the Moville district. I hope to find out her married > name and perhaps get in contact with any of her descendants before I come > to Moville in August. > Frances > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So, what questions do you want answered? Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry" <cec.hgc@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-CO-DONEGAL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Neal McCormack info. >I am starting my family search and despite being to Ireland and Salt Lake >City (both areas most helpful) I remain befuddled. My grandfather, Neal >(or Neil) McCormack was born in (March 18th 1868) and lived in Milltown, >near Kilmacrennan, Co.Donegal, . Fathers name was Thomas, mothers Ellen >Coyle. He had a sister Sarah who emigrated to New York, married a >policeman there and lived in Brooklyn. Another sister also emigrated to >the states (?Lillian) who maried a Thomas Wilson. A brother Patrick had >one daughter, MaryEllen. The family were not close and never spoke of >each other unless critically. I'd appreciate all help in filling in added >details of the various members. > > Thanks, Carmel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1418 - Release Date: 5/6/2008 > 17:17 > >

I am starting my family search and despite being to Ireland and Salt Lake City (both areas most helpful) I remain befuddled. My grandfather, Neal (or Neil) McCormack was born in (March 18th 1868) and lived in Milltown, near Kilmacrennan, Co.Donegal, . Fathers name was Thomas, mothers Ellen Coyle. He had a sister Sarah who emigrated to New York, married a policeman there and lived in Brooklyn. Another sister also emigrated to the states (?Lillian) who maried a Thomas Wilson. A brother Patrick had one daughter, MaryEllen. The family were not close and never spoke of each other unless critically. I'd appreciate all help in filling in added details of the various members. Thanks, Carmel

Saving our souls - losing our records In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. Read on at the URL http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Clearly, genealogists will now be sent different planets in paradise. Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat"

That's it. No Telephone number though (probably listed). Key SL3 7EX into www.multimap.com to see the area Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Dannelly" <leslie@nomoretubs.com> To: <irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Newbie question > Is that his address? I'm so excited! > Leslie > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liam Martin > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:15 PM > To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Newbie question > > Leslie > > The only Dannelly in the UK or Ireland (2001Electoral Roll) is > > > DANNELLY,SEAN,92,,MINSTER WAY,,SL3 7EX,,SLOUGH, > > > There are no DANIELLYs, O'DANNELLYs but thousands called O'Donnell > > Give Sean DANNELLY a call - he must be a brother at least > > Liam > > > "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie Dannelly" <leslie@nomoretubs.com> > To: <irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:23 PM > Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Newbie question > > >> Hello all! >> >> I have been researching the Dannelly family name for about 12 years now. >> I >> am stuck on John Danielly (Dannelly, O'Dannelly, O'Donnell - who knows). >> He >> was born in Kilkenny, Donegal in 1735/6. I live near Salt Lake and have >> spent hours at the Family History library researching to find out who his >> parents were, but to no avail. Any ideas on how to get more info, >> without >> having to go to Ireland? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Leslie Dannelly >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1416 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 > 17:11 > >

Leslie The only Dannelly in the UK or Ireland (2001Electoral Roll) is DANNELLY,SEAN,92,,MINSTER WAY,,SL3 7EX,,SLOUGH, There are no DANIELLYs, O'DANNELLYs but thousands called O'Donnell Give Sean DANNELLY a call - he must be a brother at least Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Dannelly" <leslie@nomoretubs.com> To: <irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Newbie question > Hello all! > > I have been researching the Dannelly family name for about 12 years now. > I > am stuck on John Danielly (Dannelly, O'Dannelly, O'Donnell - who knows). > He > was born in Kilkenny, Donegal in 1735/6. I live near Salt Lake and have > spent hours at the Family History library researching to find out who his > parents were, but to no avail. Any ideas on how to get more info, without > having to go to Ireland? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Leslie Dannelly >

Is that his address? I'm so excited! Leslie -----Original Message----- From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liam Martin Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:15 PM To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Newbie question Leslie The only Dannelly in the UK or Ireland (2001Electoral Roll) is DANNELLY,SEAN,92,,MINSTER WAY,,SL3 7EX,,SLOUGH, There are no DANIELLYs, O'DANNELLYs but thousands called O'Donnell Give Sean DANNELLY a call - he must be a brother at least Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Dannelly" <leslie@nomoretubs.com> To: <irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Newbie question > Hello all! > > I have been researching the Dannelly family name for about 12 years now. > I > am stuck on John Danielly (Dannelly, O'Dannelly, O'Donnell - who knows). > He > was born in Kilkenny, Donegal in 1735/6. I live near Salt Lake and have > spent hours at the Family History library researching to find out who his > parents were, but to no avail. Any ideas on how to get more info, without > having to go to Ireland? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Leslie Dannelly > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You may want to check the Proni record office online. Janice **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

The Stewart family of Stewart's Court and Ballylawn, Co. Donegal, settled in that county in the early 17th century. Letters of designation were granted to John Stewart in 1629, together with the proportion of Ballyveagh which was erected for him into the manor of Stewart's Court. The history of the family for the remainder of the century is obscure, but they do not appear to have obtained any additional lands outside Donegal. Hope these help Janice Friel **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

In a message dated 5/6/2008 12:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, urquhart_042@hotmail.com writes: PRONI holds two small but choice groups of Stewart-Bam/Stewart of Ards Papers ('Stewart-Bam' is an early 20th century double-barrelling, which took place following the marriage of the heiress to Ards in 1910) from two different provenances and bearing the different reference numbers D4137 and D2789/19. D4137 comprises c.375 documents, almost entirely correspondence, 1771-1849 (with some later items), deriving from the Stewart family of Ards, Dunfanaghy, Co. Donegal. The first of these Stewarts was Alexander (1746-1831), younger son and namesake of the Alexander Stewart who acquired the Newtownards and Comber estates, Co. Down, in 1744, and younger brother of Robert Stewart of Mount Stewart (1739-1821), later 1st Lord, Earl of and Marquess of Londonderry. The papers document the estates and political activities of both branches of the family in Cos Londonderry and Donegal, as well as the estates and political activities of the senior, Marquess of Londonderry, branch in Co. Down, and, to a much lesser extent, in Co. Durham. They are complementary to PRONI's other small cache of Stewart of Ards papers (D2784/19), which is almost entirely an estate archive, 1781-1937. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hello all! I have been researching the Dannelly family name for about 12 years now. I am stuck on John Danielly (Dannelly, O'Dannelly, O'Donnell - who knows). He was born in Kilkenny, Donegal in 1735/6. I live near Salt Lake and have spent hours at the Family History library researching to find out who his parents were, but to no avail. Any ideas on how to get more info, without having to go to Ireland? Thanks in advance, Leslie Dannelly

I am looking for any information on Alexander Stewart born abt 1701 (Carnemauga, Fort Stewart, County Donegal) to Colonel William Stewart (b. abt 1665, Fort Stewart, County Donegal) and Maria Anne Hopkins. Alexander died 1743 in County Donegal, Ireland. The family has been unable to locate his burial site. We are also looking for verification as to if this Alexander Stewart is the one who married Rebecca Galbraith, born abt 1698, Newtoncunningham, County Donegal, Ireland. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008