Dear Peter Re Hello list and Rob, I am an old list sitter just checking each day to see if something of interest pops up. My BOYLE ancestors left Donegal Liam writes - A searchable version of the 1847-1864 Griffiths Valuation for all of Ireland is now available on the URL www.otherdays.com You can sign up for $8 for 72 hours and search Donegal for the Boyles. You don't need to know the townland or parish. Some of the Boyle siblings may have hung around long enough to have had themselves listed as tenants. You could key in on Parishes with Boyles and MAGEEs in close proximity and then check these areas again on the 1901 census. Marriage records of Charles's siblings in those areas should reveal the name FERGHAL BOYLE as father of the Bride/groom. With the advent of a complete searchable Griffiths on-line, Irish Genealogy has changed immeasurably. Let me know how you get on Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the Cat"

Hello John, Having problems with Hotmail. 1796 Flax List County and parish only. ARMAGH HALL George Derrynoose John Tynan Robert Armagh Robert Loughgilly Thomas Kilmore Walter Derrynoose William Kilmore William Tynan HOGG Michael Mullaghbrack Samuel Tynan. There were no entries for HOGG in Co Down in 1796. 1823-38 Tithe Applotments Index PARISH TOWNLAND SURVEY HALL Hugh Clonfeacle Derrygortreavey 1833 Jas. " Donamoney " Jerh. " Copney " Jno. " Curmullagh " Jno. " Derrygortreavey " Jno. " Roan " Jno. " Stiloga " Michl. " Curmullagh " Rob. Jr. " Derrygortreavey " Rob. Sr. " Derrygortreavey " Widow ? " Curmullagh " William " Coolhill " Wm. " Curmullagh " Wm. " Derrygortreavey " Moyallan(also spelt -en, -on) is in Tullylish parish and Banbridge is in Seapatrick parish, DOWN HOGG Robert Tullylish Moyallon 1827 + 1834 " " " 1834 Robt. " " " Thomas " " 1827 + 1834 Thomas Jr. " " 1827 + 1834 Thomas Sr. " " 1834 Thos. Jr. " " 1834 Thos. Sr. " " 1834 Also ARMAGH HOGG James Clonfeacle Altnavannog 1833 John " " " Hope it helps, Rob Doragh Liverpool UK "John Hogg" <[email protected]> searching for Halls from townland of Curmullagh - parish of Clonfeacle - Co. Armagh. Margararet Jane Hall married John Kennedy 23-8-1850 in Derrygortrevy C/I Clonfeacle parish father Michael Hall farmer mother Margaret Donnelly, Margaret with her family migrated to Victoria Australia in 1852 with 3 of her brothers who became goldminers/farmers at Rokewood. Vic- my own forbears Hogg were farmers at Moyallon, Co Down near Banbridge my G/father x 3 a cattle dealer died at Lurgan 26-6-1841 - they only leased the land at Moyallon. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Searching for John Love b. 1800 m. Margaret Fleming b. 1801. They left Ireland abt. 1837-1838 with 4 sons William b. 1825, Thomas b. 1827, David b. 1832 and John b. 1836. John's naturalization papers stated he came from Aghanunshin in the County of Donegal I trapsed all over Donegal last year and never found a trace of them. Can you help? Thanks

Hello Lois, Sorry for the delay. I wrote a letter to you yesterday then Hotmail seemed to go berserk and I lost it. When I tried today the email was returned from Ask......... The list you saw was for all the McSheffrey references I could find. All I can suggest is either a Google search or go to the Donegal website listed below. This is a copy of a letter I got some months ago about people forced to move from one parish to another. People also moved to find work; my ancestors probably lived in the Strabane area but then moved to the Castlederg area. If you go to a Londonderry site that has maps and compare it with the maps at freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyrone/ you can guess the distance. >From Robert in NI and Ray in Australia: I hope this helps rather than confuses but I noticed you are discussing Moorheads in Donegal and Tyrone. I know the genealogy of Donaghmore, Donegal quite well but the Moorhead name is not readily found there. I think the connection between these families and places may be the Duke of Abercorn and the Barnscourt Estate. Abercorn held land in Donaghmore, Donegal and in North Tyrone. Circa 1800 families were moved out of Ardstraw and into Donagheady in order to give the newly appointed Church of Ireland clergyman a better living. (He was 84 at the time and newly married) Among the families relocated from Ardstraw into Donagheady at that time were Moorheads. Regards Robert Williams www.ulsterancestry.com <[email protected]> Hello Priscilla. YES. I also have found it very confusing, because Donaghmore parish in County Donegal, is right on the border with County Tyrone. HOWEVER, the Donaghmore parish in County Tyrone is on the opposite side of Tyrone. My MOORHEAD relations, like your family, appear to have moved and married across these counties, willy-nilly. Someone wrote recently to (this?) list, how the county borders had very little meaning in the everyday lives of most locals, until the partitioning between the North and the South occurred in the 1920s. Even when I visited Ireland about 20 years ago, I just walked along a roadway, across a bridge, past a guard check-point -- between Tyrone and Donegal --- completely unmolested, with no one coming out to check my passport, etc. That was quite a surprise to me. When I mentioned it to some locals, they said that even today people live on one side of the border and work on the other, and so commute across daily -- seemingly without formalities. So my guess would be to trust your original reference to Donaghmore in County Donegal. In case you are not aware of it, there is an excellent County Donegal list -- just like this one. Its subscribe address is: [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal The list-master also hosts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Trusting that this might help you. <[email protected]> I hope it helps. Get back to me if there's any more I can do, Rob _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Hello Patricia, 1796 Flax List Only parishes given. No DEVER entries; 4 for DIVEN, 3 in Clonleigh and 1 in Moville Upper; and 37 for DIVER, 1 in Co Londonderry, 6 in Co Mayo and 29 in Donegal Donegal, Kilmacrenan - Hugh, Hugh Sr, James, John, 4 in total If you want I can list all 29 DIVER entries. Rob Doragh Liverpool UK <[email protected]> My great grandfather Samuel Dever b Donegal 1862. His father was James Diver married Sarah Cheatley in Kilmacrenan. His parent's listed on the marriage record as Samuel & Elizabeth Diver. James left Donegal in 1862 and settled in Picton, Ontario. For quite some time I have been trying to find any of James siblings (if he had any) and what happened to them. James was born in 1824 and we think we have found the church records. At the church in Kilmacrennan following children baptized there as children of Samuel & Elizabeth: William 1822/1/19 James 1824/4/27 Alexander 1826/7/16 Thomas 1829/3/15 Anne 1830/6/27 (the address is listed different on this one - the others were Kilmacrennan and this one is listed as Ardgast). Patricia Greber (Dever) in Alberta _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

Wow - thanks for this. I would appreciate having all the Diver entries if it is not too much trouble. Thanks for this. Patricia > If you want I can list all 29 DIVER entries. > > Rob Doragh > > Liverpool UK >

Dear Patricia A searchable version of the 1847-1864 Griffiths Valuation for all of Ireland is now available on the URL www.otherdays.com You can sign up for $8 for 72 hours and search the Parish of Kilmacrenan for Dever and Cheatley and their variations. You don't need to know the townland. You do not even need to know the parish. You don't even need a sample of DNA! Some of the siblings William 1822/1/19 James 1824/4/27 Alexander 1826/7/16 Thomas 1829/3/15 Anne 1830/6/27 may have hung around long enough to have had themselves listed as tenants. With the advent of a complete searchable Griffiths on-line, Irish Genealogy has changed immeasurably. Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the Cat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: [DONEGAL] Re: [IRELAND] Dever-Diver and variants surname project > My great grandfather Samuel Dever was born in Donegal in 1862. His father > was James Diver who married Sarah Cheatley in Kilmacrenan. His parent's were > listed on the marriage record as Samuel & Elizabeth Diver. > James left Donegal in 1862 and settled in Picton, Ontario. For quite some > time I have been trying to find any of James siblings (if he had any) and > what happened to them. > James was born in 1824 and we think we have found the church records. At the > church in Kilmacrennan there are the following children baptized there as > children of Samuel & Elizabeth: > William 1822/1/19 > James 1824/4/27 > Alexander 1826/7/16 > Thomas 1829/3/15 > Anne 1830/6/27 (the address is listed different on this one - the others > were Kilmacrennan and this one is listed as Ardgast). > > That's about what I have. > I am really hoping the Dever DNA project will help me to further find > connections in this family. > > Patricia Greber (Dever) in Alberta > > > > ==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== > This list is for anyone researching ancestors in County Donegal Ireland. Thank you for joining our forum. > Our Ireland website is: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am wondering if SKS could do a lookup at PRONI for me. I am currently studing the life of my 3X gr grandfather John Wark, the son of Henry Wark and Sarah McAdoo. John Wark was from the Parish of Taughboyne, St. Johnstown, County Donegal. He was born in 1791 or 1792 and was of Presbyterian faith. I have been lead to believe that no Presbyterian Parish Registers are available for the 1790s & 1800s. Due to this fact, I was wondering if someone could do a lookup or advise me if there are any Church of Ireland Parish Registers for the Parish of Taughboyne in the above time frame. Any guidance on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Pam Gaudio

My great grandfather Samuel Dever was born in Donegal in 1862. His father was James Diver who married Sarah Cheatley in Kilmacrenan. His parent's were listed on the marriage record as Samuel & Elizabeth Diver. James left Donegal in 1862 and settled in Picton, Ontario. For quite some time I have been trying to find any of James siblings (if he had any) and what happened to them. James was born in 1824 and we think we have found the church records. At the church in Kilmacrennan there are the following children baptized there as children of Samuel & Elizabeth: William 1822/1/19 James 1824/4/27 Alexander 1826/7/16 Thomas 1829/3/15 Anne 1830/6/27 (the address is listed different on this one - the others were Kilmacrennan and this one is listed as Ardgast). That's about what I have. I am really hoping the Dever DNA project will help me to further find connections in this family. Patricia Greber (Dever) in Alberta

Hello Lois, Before partition in 1922 Ireland was split into 4 provinces, Ulster, Munster, Leinster and Connaught. Ulster was the most northerly and contained 9 counties - the six of the present Northern Ireland plus Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan so Donegal was part of the province of Ulster but is not part of Northern Ireland. The Flax List dates from 1796 and those who agreed to grow a certain amount of flax would be given a spinning wheel for each rood of flax grown and a loom for each acre. There are about 60 000 names in the list. The CD gives name, county and parish only for the whole of Ireland. The Tithe Applotments 1823-38 CD covers the Six Counties of Northern Ireland only; I've no idea why but I'd love to find the tithes for Donegal. As you come from the US you have town or city, county, state then USA. Ireland was townland, parish, barony, county, province, Ireland. www.proni.gov.uk is the official and helpful site on what sources there are for Irish genealogy. So, let me have the name you want looking up and I'll check Co Londonderry references for it. If anyone else on the list wants a look-up from the Flax List please give me name (with alternative spellings, if necessary - I have 17 for my name) and county. If there are a lot of people it will take me a few days. For Donegal please check freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ In return, if anybody finds any information on DARAGH, DARRAGH, DORAGH or DORRAGH in Donegal could they please let me know. I have them in the Flax List and Griffith's Valuation in Urney parish, Donegal. Rob Doragh Liverpool UK From: [email protected] Please was there a "Flax List Index" for Co Londonderry? How often were they taken, or was it a "once in a lifetime" enumeration. Or am I confused, the "Flax Index List" you sent to the attention of Liam, was that the complete index of all counties enumerating the McShefferys/ McSheffreys/McSheffrys/etc., etc. ??? It is hard to understand parishes, townlands, etc.,etc., even though it has all been explained a "jillion" times. I take it from studying the map of Ireland, County Donegal is not part and parcel of Northern Ireland ? Lois Wisconsin USA _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Sorry about the last message - resending ... Hi, I am the project manager for the new Dever and variants DNA project and I was wondering if you would be interested in it. The DNA project would look at the DNA of various family lines and see if we can find any connections. The website for more information on DNA testing is http://www.familytreedna.com/ If you have any questions you can e-mail me and I will do my best to answer them. At this stage the Dever and variants DNA project does not have it's own website but the project is in the beginning stages and I am sure we will have a member willing to get one started. The test is only for males with the surname of Dever and that is how the Y chromosome Patricia Greber (Dever) > > ==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== > This list is for anyone researching ancestors in County Donegal Ireland. Thank you for joining our forum. > Our Ireland website is: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, I am the project manager for the new Graber and variants DNA project and I was wondering if you would be interested in it. The DNA project would look at the DNA of various family lines and see if we can find any connections. The website for more information on DNA testing is http://www.familytreedna.com/ If you have any questions you can e-mail me and I will do my best to answer them. At this stage the Graber and variants DNA project does not have it's own website but the project is in the beginning stages and I am sure we will have a member willing to get one started. The test is only for males with the surname of Graber and that is how the Y chromosome can be traced. Patricia Greber

Lindel: Great work. That's the McMonagle I was looking for and more. Now to figure a way to check for a birth or Baptismal Certificate.. Thanks so much, Jack McMonagle

For Rob Doragh: Please was there a "Flax List Index" for County Londonderry also ?? How often were they taken, or was it a "once in a lifetime" enumeration. Or am I confused, the "Flax Index List" you sent to the attention of Liam, was that the complete index of all counties enumerating the McShefferys/ McSheffreys/McSheffrys/etc., etc. ??? I am sorry to be dense, but it is hard to understand parishes, townlands, etc.,etc., even though it has all been explained a "jillion" times. One more question. I take it from studying the map of Ireland, County Donegal is not part and parcel of Northern Ireland ??? Thanks for your patience. Lois Wisconsin USA

G'day from Sydney AUS, Is there anyone on the list researching McGRORY? Mine were in Letterboy FER in 1830s, but another researcher in QLD AUS has ancestors from Pettigo, & given the short distance I feel they may be connected. Regards, Pat.

Hi Rob Re. 1796 Flax List Index for Donegal - parish only I did not have that - so many thanks. I will keep a look out for the DORAGH, DORRAGH, DARAGH family Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the Cat" > Hope it helps, > > Rob Doragh > > Liverpool > > As you wander Donegal could you please keep a look-out for DORAGH, DORRAGH, > DARAGH as they were recorded in the Flax List in Donegal? Thanks >

Hi Liam, I found a Bridget McSheffery that returned to the U.S. from Ireland in 1907, at the age of 40, having her born circa 1867. Would this be your grandmother ?? Who were her parents, please ?? My line is through Hugh McSheffrey and Margaret Rodgerson. Hugh born circa 1835. As I understand, the McSheffreys, are all related , in one way or another, and originally came from County Donegal ?? Lois U.S.- Wisconsin

Hello Liam, You probably have these already but just in case; 1796 Flax List Index for Donegal - parish only. M'SHEFFRY Daniel Moville Lower Edward " John Fahan Upper M'SHEFRY Daniel Culdaff Darby Raphoe Manus Moville Upper Margaret Donagh Peter " ALSO M'SHEFRY Bernard Co Armagh Loughgilly parish John " Killevy " Patrick " " " Patrick Co Sligo Drumcliff " M'SHIFFEY Edward Donegal Moville Upper 1823-38 Tithe Applotments Index The CD doesn't cover Donegal for some reason. COUNTY PARISH TOWNLAND SURVEYED McSHEFFRY Hugh Tyrone Camus Ballinteer More 1828 McSHEFRY Denis L/Derry Banagher Carnonbane 1826 McSHIFFRY William Antrim Derry Deanery/Templemore Ardmore Wm. L/Derry " " Individuals from Templemore were recorded in Derry Deanery so William may be from either place. Hope it helps, Rob Doragh Liverpool As you wander Donegal could you please keep a look-out for DORAGH, DORRAGH, DARAGH as they were recorded in the Flax List in Donegal? Thanks From: "L.Martin" <[email protected]> Grandmother Bridget McSHEFFREY's relatives in Fahan Upper Civil Parish in County Donegal. She came from Magheryard (b. 24/09/1865) , between Drumadooey and Dundrean (BMD Church records) and died in Derry City 08/04/1937. A farmer in Garvery told us the last Mr McSHEFFREY in Garvery died 50 years ago. Where are descendants now? 1901 census notes William and Patrick McSHEFFREY farming in Garvery, 1911 census similarly (except that William had died). Griffiths notes both Daniel and William M'Sheaffry farming at Gortnaskea (Fahan Upper) just N. East of Garvery (now spelled Garvary on Discovery No.7 Map). _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi Jack! I can't help with his birth date, but I can tell you he's with his family in the 1901 census for Letterkenny - the household, in Glencar Scotch, Conwal, consists of Susan, James, Peter, Anny, Cornelius, Joseph, Patrick and John. Susan may be a widow or her husband is absent for some reason. The LDS has the census on film so if you locate your local LDS Family History Centre, they will be able to help you order the film in, so you can check the full details..............they weren't there in 1911, so don't worry about that film. Looks like he and his brother Peter were on the Columbia from Londonderry to NY arriving 30 Dec 1907 - they were going to join his sister Mary at 2312 Walnut St, Philadelphia - the closest relative in Donegal that they gave on the manifest was James McMonagle. You can see the original list online at the Ellis Island website - http://www.ellisisland.org Lindel Jack McMonagle wrote: >Anyone. Need help in getting information regarding one Cornelius McMonagle, born County Donegal abt 1886-1889., Glencar-Letterkenny. Probably in the Parish of Leck or Conwel. >Thank you all. > >Jack McMonagle > > >==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== >Our County Donegal website is: http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod/donegal/index.htm >If you have genealogy data for Donegal, please submit to URL above. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

I spent last week tracking down my Grandmother Bridget McSHEFFREY's relatives in Fahan Upper Civil Parish in County Donegal. She came from Magheryard (b. 24/09/1865) , between Drumadooey and Dundrean (BMD Church records) and died in Derry City 08/04/1937. I was directed to a Celtic cross in the graveyard to the LHS of Fahan RC Parish Church door (The church is situated between Carrick Hill and Cashel Hill). The inscription read - "In memory of the McSHEFFREY Family of GARVERY. R.I.P" Does anyone out there have any knowledge of this cross and which remaining McSHEFFREYs put it there? A farmer in Garvery told us that the last Mr McSHEFFREY in Garvery had died 50 years ago. Where are their descendants now? The 1901 census notes William and Patrick McSHEFFREY farming in Garvery and the 1911 census similarly (except that William had died). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/1901garvary.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/1911garvaryFU.htm Griffiths notes both Daniel and William M'Sheaffry farming at Gortnaskea (Fahan Upper) just N. East of Garvery (now spelled Garvary on the Discovery No.7 Map). Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the Cat"