Thank you for your response to the Irish surnames URL. I now have several choices. Very much obliged. Judy Gillon Massachusetts --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

Here the link to the Matheson database. http://www.ancestryireland.com/databases/matheson/index.html Bob Cdn. ============================= Judy Gillon wrote: <SNIP>A few years ago I came across a website where if you typed in an Irish surname,

try this link _http://159.134.203.172/search.asp?source=Eircom_ (http://159.134.203.172/search.asp?source=Eircom) I entered Coyle and Castlefin and found four Coyles. You might try to ring them for starts. GoldenPages.com is the Ireland phone book. There is a different one for NI and I have misplaced the website but you can find it with a search.

I haven't done anything with my Coyle line for a while. My great grandfather became an orphan at the age of 9, Thomas. I'm not sure what happened to his brothers who I found via birth records in Ireland. My ggfather moved to Boston at the age of 20 by himself. I was able to find a bit more information on his brother's family via the 1901 census but just don't want to do next. I was hoping to locate his family over there, but I'm stumped. Any suggestions? Descendants of William Coyle 1 William Coyle b: Abt. 1812 Donegal, Ireland d: 15 Nov 1872 in Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland . +Catherine Dugan b: Abt. 1822 Donegal, Ireland m: Bef. 1863 d: 15 Oct 1876 in Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ..... 2 James Coyle b: Bef. 1865 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland d: Bef. 14 May 1912 in alive in 1901 census ......... +Teresa McMenamin b: Abt. 1865 Eglytebane, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland m: 02 Oct 1884 in Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal, Ireland d: in alive in 1901 census ............. 3 Catharine Coyle b: 05 Sep 1885 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ............. 3 Mary Eliza Coyle b: 19 Oct 1886 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ............. 3 John Coyle b: 08 Dec 1887 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ................ +Sarah McCormack b: Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland m: 14 May 1912 in Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal, Ireland ............. 3 Maggie Coyle b: 14 May 1891 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ............. 3 William Coyle b: 01 Jun 1892 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland d: in alive in 1901 census ............. 3 Sarah Coyle b: 27 Mar 1894 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland d: in alive in 1901 census ............. 3 Annie Coyle b: 27 Aug 1896 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland d: Aft. 1912 in alive in 1901 census ............. 3 Elizabeth Coyle b: 04 May 1898 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ............. 3 Teresa Mary Coyle b: 25 Apr 1899 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ............. 3 Josephina Coyle b: 25 Apr 1899 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland d: in alive in 1901 census ............. 3 Mary Coyle b: 05 Sep 1900 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ............. 3 Patrick Coyle b: 08 Nov 1901 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ..... 2 George Coyle b: 26 Oct 1865 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland ..... 2 Thomas Coyle b: 26 Oct 1867 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland d: 05 Feb 1914 in Boston, MA ......... +Catherine Frances Scanlon b: Dec 1865 Tobercurry, County Sligo, Ireland m: 01 May 1890 in Boston, MA d: 27 Mar 1923 in Boston, MA ............. 3 Mary F Coyle b: 02 Feb 1891 Boston, MA d: 14 Jun 1951 in New York, NY ................ +George Catolet b: Abt. 1887 Greece m: 21 Mar 1918 in Boston, MA ............. 3 Catherine Elizabeth Coyle b: 04 Feb 1893 Boston, MA d: 19 Jan 1944 in Boston MA ................ +John Joseph Tulish b: 27 Feb 1889 Boston, MA m: 25 Nov 1917 in Boston, MA d: 28 Sep 1966 in Hull, MA ............. 3 Margaret Ann B Coyle b: 01 Jan 1898 Boston, MA d: 20 Nov 1943 in New Haven CONN ................ +William Wentworth b: 1896 m: 27 Jan 1918 in Boston, MA d: 1947 ..... 2 Barney Coyle b: 15 Feb 1870 Carnone, Castlefin, Strabane, Donegal Ireland -- --- Ginny Chung <[email protected]> Searching for COYLE, DONAHOE, DIRKSMEIER, FALLON, MANNING, MULLER, PLUMER, SCANLON, TULLIS out of Boston Searching for DONOGHUE, SKEFFINGTON, WARD, WHOLEY out of Lowell, Mass http://www.mindspring.com/~gchung/ - Main page http://www.mindspring.com/~gchung/tree - family genealogy http://www.mindspring.com/~gchung/CemeteryMain.html - Mass Cemetery Transcriptions ==============================================

Thanks Judy for the 3 websites. I hadn't seen them before and they were very interesting. Ellen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Hi Judy; Below are a few sites you might find useful: http://homepage.eircom.net/~cronews/geog/county/coorig.html http://www.gwp.enta.net/irishhist.htm http://www.daire.org/names/irishsurs.html Hope they help you to find what you're looking for, Regards, Christine Judy Gillon <[email protected]> wrote: A few years ago I came across a website where if you typed in an Irish surname, it would tell you where that surname was most common. I have misplaced it. Would anyone know of this URL? I am looking for GROGAN and McCALLION. As I have only b. Ireland on the birthdates. TIA Judy Walsh Gillon Massachusetts --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== Our County Donegal website is: http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod1/donegal/index.htm If you have genealogy data for Donegal, please submit to URL above. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

Dear listers: For me it was a nice surprise to find a branch of my family in Donegal. In a document named "Census of Inishowen Barony, 1659", I found out that O'Deuer was among the "principal Irish names", and that in Donnegal there were 8 persons with that name. Does anyone know WHERE would I found more information regarding to this census and, if possible, the name of these people? In the Mormons site, I found some information of members of the family in Ireland, BUT without the "O'"; so, seems to be that some moment they dropped the "O'" to use only DEUER. Do you know why would that happen?? Any information or comment, would be highly appreciated, because until now I always thought that my name was German, and it is very interesting to know that there exists, also, an Irish branch. Best regards Pastor DEUER [email protected] _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com

A few years ago I came across a website where if you typed in an Irish surname, it would tell you where that surname was most common. I have misplaced it. Would anyone know of this URL? I am looking for GROGAN and McCALLION. As I have only b. Ireland on the birthdates. TIA Judy Walsh Gillon Massachusetts --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

-----Original Message----- From: george drummond [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 February 2005 08:22 To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [DONEGAL] Drummond Judy, I am sure the Beatles wrote that song about you because you are a star and have helped me a lot. Thanks ever so much for the information, I will have a look at your links when I finish work today. I am an Engineering Manager working in the utilities sector for a large multi national company in central Scotland. I live in a town called Bo'ness which is on the shores of the Firth of Forth near the road & rail bridges. I have always been interested in where I came from and as a small child I was very close to my granddad who always told me lots of fabulous stories. I got married (for the second time) last June to a wonderful woman called Rhona, I have tried to included a couple of pictures of the wedding but they will not allow me to send to this address. I would be delighted if you could forward me some pictures of the Donegal Drummonds. My GG/Grandad was listed as being born in Donegal in the 1891 Glasgow census so I am fairly sure he was from this area. Can I ask what is your connection with the Drummond family and where do you live? Very many thanks once again Regards George -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 February 2005 07:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DONEGAL] Drummond Hi again George, I am glad you liked what I sent. I kept some info about Drummond as I came across it because of having met some from my husbands area. I want to warn you though that the names I gave you were all written in a little notebook with just a few notes and although that trip tweaked my interest in genealogy research I wasn't doing any nor was I taking very good notes! I know there are other Drummonds settled in the area and in Fermanagh and Tyrone And I am sure you could find them all over Ireland. I found 663 names in the LDS familysearch.org site in the International Index by querying with the name Drummond and the location British Isles and the Country Ireland. The largest group was in Antrim. Why are you searching in Donegal? Do you have a bit of history to send you there. If so, there aren't that many Donegal Drummonds listed so maybe you have hit on the right family. If you don't know for sure where, I would try to find some way to narrow it down or you could have a fun but lengthy search. Regarding records. There are next to none. There are church christening records and marriage records from about 1856 for the Ballyshannon area. You could probably view the tapes by going to an LDS center near wherever you live after you figure out what tapes to ask for. Some of that you can do on line if you have never used the LDS site. Ireland is really putting its genealogical history together in tiny bits and pieces collected from all kinds of sources. I have mostly used the net and a kind soul who did look ups for me in Dublin at the National Library which has all of the Catholic church records from the early 1800's forward to about 1879 or there abouts. The 1901 Census is available and complete. Most legal records estate records wills etc were burned in the Four Courts Fire and only indexes are left. I haven't found much but then I haven't bought CDs etc. and am just using the net and people I meet to help me. I posted some of my own research on _Raymondscountydownwebsite.c_ (http://Raymondscountydownwebsite.com ) om which is a good resource if you are looking in Down. If you would like to take a peak you can find my stuff on the Mourne page under "people researching family in Rostrevor area." A few interesting sites I have found in Donegal include _http://www.geocities.com/johngall_99/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/johngall_99/index.html) A Ballyshannon site great browse. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/addresses.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/addresses.htm) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/links.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/links.html) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/Doncontent.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/Doncontent.html) _http://newspaperabstracts.com/ireland/armagh/1845/18450211.html_ (http://newspaperabstracts.com/ireland/armagh/1845/18450211.html) Irish News abstracts _http://www.from-ireland.net/parishrecords/don/donindex.htm_ (http://www.from-ireland.net/parishrecords/don/donindex.htm) Catholic parish records _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/) _http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/goldhome.htm_ (http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/goldhome.htm) A great Fermanagh site. _http://www.geocities.com/grace280.geo/ballyshannon.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/grace280.geo/ballyshannon.html) Pettigo Online with a great article about Ballyshannon harbor _http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/fermanaghpresents/_ (http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/fermanaghpresents/) Millennium Project lots of resources _http://www.finnvalley.ie/glenfin/_ (http://www.finnvalley.ie/glenfin/) I personally love this site And now to get personal. I am curious as to who you are George. Are you retired like me or getting into this at a younger age. Do you live in Scotland? I am assuming you do but could be wrong. I am a retired nurse. I retired in 2000. I have taken 4 trips to Ireland and hope to take more. My first was as a young girl of 9 when I visited my grandmother in county Down in l948 for the summer. My second trip was in 1993 to Scotland and Ireland and we had so much fun we decided our kids needed the experience to. So we found a "self catering castle" in Galway and came again with our kids and grandkids in 1999. We had three at the time and now have four and I guess that will be it. At least that is what I am told. Tom and I returned to celebrate his 65th birthday and St Patrick's Day in 2002. Since then I have had two knees and one hip replaced and am just beginning to feel like I am getting back on my feet and able to begin to think about our next trip. Every time I went I wanted to know more about those illusive ancestors. so I am now hooked and getting more so. One thing I have which I would be happy to email copies of are a few pictures of the Drummonds I told you about. Let me know if you would like them. Judy ==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== Our County Donegal website is: http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod1/donegal/index.htm If you have genealogy data for Donegal, please submit to URL above. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi again George, I am glad you liked what I sent. I kept some info about Drummond as I came across it because of having met some from my husbands area. I want to warn you though that the names I gave you were all written in a little notebook with just a few notes and although that trip tweaked my interest in genealogy research I wasn't doing any nor was I taking very good notes! I know there are other Drummonds settled in the area and in Fermanagh and Tyrone And I am sure you could find them all over Ireland. I found 663 names in the LDS familysearch.org site in the International Index by querying with the name Drummond and the location British Isles and the Country Ireland. The largest group was in Antrim. Why are you searching in Donegal? Do you have a bit of history to send you there. If so, there aren't that many Donegal Drummonds listed so maybe you have hit on the right family. If you don't know for sure where, I would try to find some way to narrow it down or you could have a fun but lengthy search. Regarding records. There are next to none. There are church christening records and marriage records from about 1856 for the Ballyshannon area. You could probably view the tapes by going to an LDS center near wherever you live after you figure out what tapes to ask for. Some of that you can do on line if you have never used the LDS site. Ireland is really putting its genealogical history together in tiny bits and pieces collected from all kinds of sources. I have mostly used the net and a kind soul who did look ups for me in Dublin at the National Library which has all of the Catholic church records from the early 1800's forward to about 1879 or there abouts. The 1901 Census is available and complete. Most legal records estate records wills etc were burned in the Four Courts Fire and only indexes are left. I haven't found much but then I haven't bought CDs etc. and am just using the net and people I meet to help me. I posted some of my own research on _Raymondscountydownwebsite.c_ (http://Raymondscountydownwebsite.com ) om which is a good resource if you are looking in Down. If you would like to take a peak you can find my stuff on the Mourne page under "people researching family in Rostrevor area." A few interesting sites I have found in Donegal include _http://www.geocities.com/johngall_99/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/johngall_99/index.html) A Ballyshannon site great browse. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/addresses.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/addresses.htm) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/links.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/links.html) _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/Doncontent.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/Doncontent.html) _http://newspaperabstracts.com/ireland/armagh/1845/18450211.html_ (http://newspaperabstracts.com/ireland/armagh/1845/18450211.html) Irish News abstracts _http://www.from-ireland.net/parishrecords/don/donindex.htm_ (http://www.from-ireland.net/parishrecords/don/donindex.htm) Catholic parish records _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~Donegal/) _http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/goldhome.htm_ (http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/goldhome.htm) A great Fermanagh site. _http://www.geocities.com/grace280.geo/ballyshannon.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/grace280.geo/ballyshannon.html) Pettigo Online with a great article about Ballyshannon harbor _http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/fermanaghpresents/_ (http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/fermanaghpresents/) Millennium Project lots of resources _http://www.finnvalley.ie/glenfin/_ (http://www.finnvalley.ie/glenfin/) I personally love this site And now to get personal. I am curious as to who you are George. Are you retired like me or getting into this at a younger age. Do you live in Scotland? I am assuming you do but could be wrong. I am a retired nurse. I retired in 2000. I have taken 4 trips to Ireland and hope to take more. My first was as a young girl of 9 when I visited my grandmother in county Down in l948 for the summer. My second trip was in 1993 to Scotland and Ireland and we had so much fun we decided our kids needed the experience to. So we found a "self catering castle" in Galway and came again with our kids and grandkids in 1999. We had three at the time and now have four and I guess that will be it. At least that is what I am told. Tom and I returned to celebrate his 65th birthday and St Patrick's Day in 2002. Since then I have had two knees and one hip replaced and am just beginning to feel like I am getting back on my feet and able to begin to think about our next trip. Every time I went I wanted to know more about those illusive ancestors. so I am now hooked and getting more so. One thing I have which I would be happy to email copies of are a few pictures of the Drummonds I told you about. Let me know if you would like them. Judy

Judith, I am astounded!!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your reply, it is far more than I ever dreamed of receiving. I am fairly sure there must be a connection as the names you mention are all listed in my tree fairly early after Patrick died. Patrick lived in an area around Glasgow's Gallowgate and died aged 55 in 1896 leaving my G/Grandfather fatherless aged 5. Patrick had three sons Joseph, Edward and (George my G Grandfather) from his second marriage to Mary Fay (this is the line that I descend from) He was first married to a Catherine Loney but I have no details of this marriage except that she died aged 35. Unfortunately I do not have a death certificate so he could have been married in Ireland first and then moved to Glasgow after his first wife died. Can you recommend the best way to research my family in Donegal? All advice very gratefully received. Kind regards George -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 31 January 2005 19:47 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DONEGAL] Drummond Hi George, I am no expert in Donegal research. I did meet a family of Drummond folk in 1994 who lived probably on Abbeylands or an adjoining townland just West of Ballyshannon town. There were three living at the time. Eddie, who must have been the oldest because it was his farm, Jimmy who I think lived with Eddie and Nancy who was a charmer and had her own duplex down the road a short walk. Eddie's cottage was thatched, the barn was across the lane toward the bay which could be seen in the distance. Nancy offered me a tour of her home and I walked there with her. On the way she told me that her home had inside facilities while Eddie's didn't and she thought I might like to use them. Her home was a yellow duplex. She rented out one side to summer visitors and lived in the other. While there we also went to visit another old man Willie Sweeney. We just visited in the yard and were introduced to another man, Jack Drum who was visiting Willie. Both were covered with what looked like peat soot. All of these people were 80+. They had been contemporaries and friends of my father-in-law who was also from Abbeylands townland. The Drummond house had many artifacts, pictures etc that made me believe they had lived in the area for some time. I don't know that they were Catholic but I am fairly certain I would have been told if they were not by my very Catholic hosts. When back in Ballyshannon in 1999, we stopped and their was only one left. I think it was Jimmie. He seemed to be slow thinking and just kept repeating they are all gone now I am all that is left. He was sitting in the doorway with his dogs. We just visited from the car because he didn't seem to know who we were even when we told him about our visit of a few years before. A few other Drummond tidbits. from 1846 Slater's Directory Drummond, John, Surgeons, Killybegs, Killybegs & Dunkineely Drummond, William, Rev., Parish Priest, Killybegs, Killybegs & from Griffith's Kilbroney Parish Drum Barney Abbeylands Kilbarron Donegal Drum John Coolcholly Kilbarron Donegal Drum Michael Abbeylands Kilbarron Donegal Drum Michael Cowpark Kilbarron Donegal Inscriptions for the Kinawley Cemetery (Catholic). The following was taken from a back issue of the Clogher Historical Society Journal - Historical Record? (I think it was 1951 or 1979 possibly in an article called The Fermanagh Story 58. By his sons to Hugh Drumm , Carracork, d. Feb. 1801 a. 82. 59. By John Drummond to his parents and children, 1766. 64. For Patrick Drummond d. 27 Oct. 1789 a. 44. 65. By Charles Maguir to his father Hugh d. 7 May 1736 a. 79. 66. By Arthur Maguire to his father Bryan d. 7 May 1788 a. 70; his brother Cormac, 1800. 67. By Thomas Drumond and his son Hugh for their posterity. 68. By James Drum to his father James a. 28 April 1802. 93. By Owen Drummond and John, Nich., and J. Drummond, 6 Feb. ... 94. This tomb was erected for Capt. / Patrick Maguire by his children. / Don. Thomas and Sarah. Built by his youngest son, priest Father Ro- / ger Maguire, Pastor of Knock- / ninny & Clangory in the Parish / of Kinally. Jesus Christ by the / merits of His pas- / sion w... / to in... mate him ... thy Mother in / Erecting this tomb ... for / Two uncles Randle and John July / ye 6th 1763! 95. By Charles, Owen and Thomas Maguire to their father Patt d. 16 Aug. 1801 a. 30. 96. By Patrick Dromond for his posterity. 97. By Patrick Drum to his wife Ann d. 1791 a. 62. Assaroe abbey cemetery Ballyshannon 38—To Dr. John Drummond, M.R.C.S.I., d. Feb. 20, 1818 a. 41; also, niece, Mrs. Edward Gillespie d.; Feb. 9, 1905, a. 57. 75—By Hugh Keane to m., Anne Drummond, d. April 16, 1837; a. (3)6: her h. Jo hn Keane, d. June 7, 1859, a. 8(6). 142—To William Drummond, d. March 23, 1949, a. 22. ==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== Our County Donegal website is: http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod1/donegal/index.htm If you have genealogy data for Donegal, please submit to URL above. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi George, I am no expert in Donegal research. I did meet a family of Drummond folk in 1994 who lived probably on Abbeylands or an adjoining townland just West of Ballyshannon town. There were three living at the time. Eddie, who must have been the oldest because it was his farm, Jimmy who I think lived with Eddie and Nancy who was a charmer and had her own duplex down the road a short walk. Eddie's cottage was thatched, the barn was across the lane toward the bay which could be seen in the distance. Nancy offered me a tour of her home and I walked there with her. On the way she told me that her home had inside facilities while Eddie's didn't and she thought I might like to use them. Her home was a yellow duplex. She rented out one side to summer visitors and lived in the other. While there we also went to visit another old man Willie Sweeney. We just visited in the yard and were introduced to another man, Jack Drum who was visiting Willie. Both were covered with what looked like peat soot. All of these people were 80+. They had been contemporaries and friends of my father-in-law who was also from Abbeylands townland. The Drummond house had many artifacts, pictures etc that made me believe they had lived in the area for some time. I don't know that they were Catholic but I am fairly certain I would have been told if they were not by my very Catholic hosts. When back in Ballyshannon in 1999, we stopped and their was only one left. I think it was Jimmie. He seemed to be slow thinking and just kept repeating they are all gone now I am all that is left. He was sitting in the doorway with his dogs. We just visited from the car because he didn't seem to know who we were even when we told him about our visit of a few years before. A few other Drummond tidbits. from 1846 Slater's Directory Drummond, John, Surgeons, Killybegs, Killybegs & Dunkineely Drummond, William, Rev., Parish Priest, Killybegs, Killybegs & from Griffith's Kilbroney Parish Drum Barney Abbeylands Kilbarron Donegal Drum John Coolcholly Kilbarron Donegal Drum Michael Abbeylands Kilbarron Donegal Drum Michael Cowpark Kilbarron Donegal Inscriptions for the Kinawley Cemetery (Catholic). The following was taken from a back issue of the Clogher Historical Society Journal - Historical Record? (I think it was 1951 or 1979 possibly in an article called The Fermanagh Story 58. By his sons to Hugh Drumm , Carracork, d. Feb. 1801 a. 82. 59. By John Drummond to his parents and children, 1766. 64. For Patrick Drummond d. 27 Oct. 1789 a. 44. 65. By Charles Maguir to his father Hugh d. 7 May 1736 a. 79. 66. By Arthur Maguire to his father Bryan d. 7 May 1788 a. 70; his brother Cormac, 1800. 67. By Thomas Drumond and his son Hugh for their posterity. 68. By James Drum to his father James a. 28 April 1802. 93. By Owen Drummond and John, Nich., and J. Drummond, 6 Feb. ... 94. This tomb was erected for Capt. / Patrick Maguire by his children. / Don. Thomas and Sarah. Built by his youngest son, priest Father Ro- / ger Maguire, Pastor of Knock- / ninny & Clangory in the Parish / of Kinally. Jesus Christ by the / merits of His pas- / sion w... / to in... mate him ... thy Mother in / Erecting this tomb ... for / Two uncles Randle and John July / ye 6th 1763! 95. By Charles, Owen and Thomas Maguire to their father Patt d. 16 Aug. 1801 a. 30. 96. By Patrick Dromond for his posterity. 97. By Patrick Drum to his wife Ann d. 1791 a. 62. Assaroe abbey cemetery Ballyshannon 38—To Dr. John Drummond, M.R.C.S.I., d. Feb. 20, 1818 a. 41; also, niece, Mrs. Edward Gillespie d.; Feb. 9, 1905, a. 57. 75—By Hugh Keane to m., Anne Drummond, d. April 16, 1837; a. (3)6: her h. Jo hn Keane, d. June 7, 1859, a. 8(6). 142—To William Drummond, d. March 23, 1949, a. 22.

Here is the data from the FHC/LDS catalog regarding the subject of Irish Pension Search and the new Pensear.org web site. Will look for other records and post when found. Bob Cdn. ================================================= Title *Old age pension claims, 1908-1922, from 1841/1851 census abstracts and miscellaneous sources* Authors *Northern Ireland. Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (Belfast) (Main Author)* Notes *Microfilm of original records in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, Belfast. PRONI record nos.: T550/1-37 Includes duplicate 1841 or 1851 census records for those who applied for government pensions in the early 1900's. They are arranged by counties, and then by baronies within counties. A few applications include letters and/or documents verifying the age of the applicant.* Subjects * Ireland - Pensions Ireland - Census* Format * Manuscript (On Film)* Language * English* Publication * Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1959-1977* Physical * 48 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.* References * (Indexed In) Ireland old age pension claims name index* Film Notes Note - Location [Film] *Index / Janet Beresford Brooks - FHL BRITISH Library Attendants' Window [ 6344865 ] Vol. 1 Armagh, Antrim, Londonderry, Fermanagh, with a few records from other counties - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258525 ] Vol. 2 Antrim, Barony of Antrim Lower and others Vol. 3 Antrim, cities of Carrickfergus and Belfast - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258526 ] Vol. 4 Antrim, Barony of Cary - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258527 ] Vol. 5 Antrim, Baronies of Dunluce Upper & Lower Vol. 6 Antrim, Barony of Glenarm Vol. 7 Antrim, Barony of Kilconway - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258528 ] Vol. 8 Antrim, Baronies of Massereene Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258529 ] Vol. 9 Antrim, Baronies of Toome Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258530 ] Vol. 10 Antrim, summaries, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258531 ] Vol. 11 Armagh, Barony of Armagh Vol. 12 Armagh, Baronies of Fews Upper & Lower Vol. 13 Armagh, Baronies of O'Neilland East & West - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258532 ] Vol. 14 Armagh, Baronies of Orior Upper & Lower Vol. 15 Armagh, Barony of Tiranny Vol. 16 Armagh, summaries, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258533 ] Vol. 17 Down, Baronies of Ards Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258534 ] Vol. 18 Down, Baronies of Castlereagh Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258535 ] Vol. 19 Down, Baronies of Iveagh Upper & Lower Vol. 20 Down, summaries, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258536 ] Vol. 21-23 Fermanagh, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258537 ] Vol. 24 Londonderry, Barony of Coleraine - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258538 ] Vol. 25 Londonderry, Barony of Keenaght - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258539 ] Vol. 26 Londonderry, Barony of Loughinsholin - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258540 ] Vol. 27 Londonderry, Liberties of Coleraine Vol. 28 Londonderry, Barony of Tirkeeran Vol. 29 Londonderry, summaries, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258541 ] Vol. 30 Tyrone, Barony of Clogher Vol. 31 Tyrone, Baronies of Dungannon Upper, Middle & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258542 ] Vol. 32 Tyrone, Baronies of Omagh East & West - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258543 ] Vol. 33 Tyrone, Baronies of Strabane Upper & Lower Vol. 34 Tyrone, summaries, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258544 ] Vol. 35 Mixed counties & baronies of the Irish Free State (now the Republic of Ireland) - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258548 ] Vol. 36 Mixed counties & baronies (This volume includes letters, baptism dates & places and military service records submitted as proof of age for receiving pensions.) - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258545 ] Vol. 36 (cont.) Mixed counties & baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258546 ] Vol. 37 Donegal, mixed baronies Another filming, 1977. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 258547 ] Vol. 1 Armagh, Antrim, Londonderry, Fermanagh, with a few records from other counties - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993085 ] Vol. 2 Antrim, Barony of Antrim Lower and others Vol. 3 cities of Carrickfergus and Belfast - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993086 ] Vol. 4 Antrim, Barony of Cary Vol. 5 Antrim, Baronies of Dunluce Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993087 ] Vol. 6 Antrim, Barony of Glenarm Vol. 7 Antrim, Barony of Kilconway - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993088 ] Vol. 8 Antrim, Baronies of Massereene Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993089 ] Vol. 9 Antrim, Baronies of Toome Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993090 ] Vol. 10 Antrim, summaries, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993091 ] Vol. 12 Armagh, Baronies of Fews Upper & Lower Vol. 13 Armagh, Baronies of O'Neilland East & West - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993092 ] Vol. 14 Armagh, Baronies of Orior Upper & Lower Vol. 15 Armagh, Barony of Tiranny - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993093 ] Vol. 16 Armagh, summaries, mixed baronies Vol. 17 Down, Baronies of Ards Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993094 ] Vol. 18 Down, Baronies of Castlereagh Upper & Lower Vol. 19 Down, Baronies of Iveagh, Upper & Lower and others - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993095 ] Vol. 20 Down, summaries, mixed baronies Vol. 21-23 Fermanagh, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993096 ] Vol. 24 Londonderry, Barony of Coleraine - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993097 ] Vol. 25 Londonderry, Barony of Keenaght - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993098 ] Vol. 26 Londonderry, Barony of Loughinsholin - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993099 ] Vol. 27 Londonderry, Liberties of Coleraine Vol. 28 Londonderry, Barony of Tirkeeran - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993100 ] Vol. 29 Londonderry, summaries, mixed baronies Vol. 30 Tyrone, Barony of Clogher - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993101 ] Vol. 31 Tyrone, Baronies of Dungannon Upper, Middle & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993102 ] Vol. 32 Tyrone, Baronies of Omagh East & West - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993103 ] Vol. 33 Tyrone, Baonies of Strabane Upper & Lower - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993104 ] Vol. 34 Tyrone, summaries, mixed baronies Vol. 35 Mixed counties & baronies of the Irish Free State (now the Republic of Ireland) - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993105 ] Vol. 36 (cont.) Mixed counties & baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993106 ] Vol. 37 Donegal, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993107 ] Vol. 37 (cont.) Donegal, mixed baronies - FHL BRITISH Film [ 993108 ]* >

List Members, Posted this info for general interest, I have no connection to this organization just looking for lost family. *__* Received the "Welcome to Pensear.org" brochure, it would appear that this will be a valuable finding aid in tracing lost persons. Granted it will be limited to those who applied for a Old Age Pension in 1908 and limited to NIrl at this time, they state that the records from Irl are being addressed. This will be will give us another road to look at, sadly it will not aid in my search since my people departed during the mid 1850 period. URL: http://www.pensear.org/main.html Below are the opening paragraphs from their brochure. *_What is Pensear_*? "Our researchers have taken the Irish Pension Records which are stored on microfilm and produced a database of all entries. Pensear works by allowing you to search this database using the surname you are currently researching. You decide yourself which records look relevant and pay for only those. These microfilms are available to researchers however they are very difficult to read, are not indexed and are in no particular order so finding what you are looking for can be very time consuming and frustrating. All entries were hand written and in many cases were written in pencil, so some words or letters had faded before being transferred to microfilm. Our researchers when transcribing the films have made no attempt to correct spelling mistakes nor have they tried to amend anything that may not make sense. They have tried as much as possible to show all information contained on each search record. When they were in any doubt about whether or not they were reading a particularly untidy or faded record correctly they have put a question mark. A question mark has also been used when it was impossible to read." "*_The county I am looking for is not there._* Our researchers have transcribed over 80% of these records and these are available right now on our database to help in your search. Only the province of Ulster ie. Antrim, Armagh, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry & Tyrone will be available. One microfilm may contain a small number of entries relating to southern counties. The Pension Records for the southern counties are not held in the same place as the Ulster records and have not been stored on microfilm, however permission is currently being sought to transcribe these records from the original books. More information on how and where these records are stored will follow in our 1^st quarterly bulletin."

Judith, Very many thanks for the reply. I have searched extensively in Scotland and have had a great time visiting various sites mostly in and around Glasgow. As you will probably know Drummond is a Scottish name and they are predominately of protestant descent, my family are catholic so this is unusual and has helped me rule people in or out quite quickly. My search has come to a shuddering halt as the main four streams of my family are all of Irish descent. The names are: Drummond O'Neill McMullen Kelly I am only really interested in the Drummond stream at the moment. The only real information that I have is from the 1891 census in Glasgow that states my GG Grandfather (Patrick Drummond) was born in Donegal and was a shoemaker, his father was listed as William Drummond on Patrick's marriage certificate but I now think that he may have been Patrick William or William Patrick. I suspect that he too is from Donegal but I do not have any supporting information. I am very much at the start of my Irish search and would appreciate any help or advice that you could give me. Kind Regards George Drummond -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 31 January 2005 00:15 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DONEGAL] Drummond Do you know where in Donegal? Have you done any looking yet or are you knew to researching in Donegal. I know of some Drummonds from a farm near Ballyshannon. I think they are all dead now but maybe other families in the area. I met them in 1994. Judy McKeon. ==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== If you have a Donegal website, we can post your URL here so relatives and researchers of your surnames can find you. Contact Admin: [email protected] ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I am searching for my GG Grandfather Patrick Drummond from Donegal born around 1841. Can anyone help me? Regards George Drummond -----Original Message----- From: Anne Green [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 January 2005 17:28 To: [email protected] Subject: [DONEGAL] Re: IRL-CO-DONEGAL-D Digest V05 #6 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: IRL-CO-DONEGAL-D Digest V05 #6 ==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== This list is for anyone researching ancestors in County Donegal Ireland. Thank you for joining our forum. Our Ireland website is: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Do you know where in Donegal? Have you done any looking yet or are you knew to researching in Donegal. I know of some Drummonds from a farm near Ballyshannon. I think they are all dead now but maybe other families in the area. I met them in 1994. Judy McKeon.

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Tracey at [email protected] writes: << My paternal line has been tracked to Ballynamen, Donegal c 1800 and one day I hope to visit just to stand on the spot. >> Tracey, You probably already know this, but just in case.......... There are two Ballynaman townlands in Donegal. One is in Kilteevoge civil parish, a mile NW of Commeen village (or about 5 or 6 miles between SE and ESE of Fintown village). The other Ballynaman is in Donaghmore civil parish, a mile and a half SSW of Killygordon (or 3 miles SE of Stranorlar town). Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Dear Tracy You wrote "I am puzzled that the name HARDY doesn't seem to rate a mention as an Donegal/Irish name." There are 18 Hardy folk in 4 families currently in County Donegal (UKInfo) Viz: HARDY,ATTIE,,,CREGGAN,,,,BALLYBOFEY,CO DONEGAL HARDY,MARGARET,,,CREGGAN,,,,BALLYBOFEY,CO DONEGAL HARDY,RENA,,,CREGGAN,,,,BALLYBOFEY,CO DONEGAL HARDY,TERESA,,,CREGGAN,,,,BALLYBOFEY,CO DONEGAL HARDY,JAMES,,,CREGGAN,,,,BALLYBOFEY,CO DONEGAL HARDY,CHRISTINE,,,BEEFAN,07330233,,,GLENCOLUMBKILLE,CO DONEGAL HARDY,FREDERICK,,,BEEFAN,07330233,,,GLENCOLUMBKILLE,CO DONEGAL HARDY,JOHN,,,BEEFAN,07330233,,,GLENCOLUMBKILLE,CO DONEGAL HARDY,MICHAEL,,,BEEFAN,07330233,,,GLENCOLUMBKILLE,CO DONEGAL HARDY,MARGARET,,,BEEFAN,07330233,,,GLENCOLUMBKILLE,CO DONEGAL HARDY,PAUL,,,BEEFAN,,,,GLENCOLUMBKILLE,CO DONEGAL HARDY,ANN,,,CASTLEQUARTER,,,,INCH,CO DONEGAL HARDY,EUGENIA,,,CASTLEQUARTER,,,,INCH,CO DONEGAL HARDY,PETER,,,CASTLEQUARTER,,,,INCH,CO DONEGAL HARDY,STEPHEN,,,CASTLEQUARTER,,,,INCH,CO DONEGAL HARDY,JOHN,,,CARRICKNAMANNA,,,,KILLYGORDON,CO DONEGAL HARDY,MARY,,,CARRICKNAMANNA,,,,KILLYGORDON,CO DONEGAL HARDY,WILLIAM,,,CARRICKNAMANNA,,,,KILLYGORDON,CO DONEGAL 12 names and telephone numbers also appear in the URL http://www.goldenpages.ie/extra/phonebook.html You could give some of them a bell Liam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" At 03:28 29/01/05, you wrote: >Hello from Aus >My paternal line has been tracked to Ballynamen, Donegal c 1800 and one >day I hope to visit just to stand on the spot. However, I am puzzled that >the name HARDY doesn't seem to rate a mention as an Donegal/Irish >name. Can SKS explain if this is a traditional Irish name or is it likely >that the Hardy's were part of the "plantation" of King James 1.I have read >this much! It is probably obvious that I am a novice. Thanks for your help. >Tracey - Australia. > > >==== IRL-CO-DONEGAL Mailing List ==== >This list is for anyone researching ancestors in County Donegal Ireland. >Thank you for joining our forum. >Our Ireland website is: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/05