Doug, I have just returned from County Clare (my first visit to Ireland). I learned a few interesting items along the way. We took the ferry from Wales to Rosslaire, Ireland. the ferry runs once mid day and then again at night. It takes a few hours. We were on the night ferry and most people slept in the chairs, although there is a sleeping area (for an additional fee). >From Rosslaire (east coast) to Kilkee (west coast), it takes about 5 hours each way if you drive. Being from California, the roundabouts took some getting used to. In Kilkee, we stayed at Lynch'e B & B and it was very nice and moderately priced and the food was very good. I would certainly stay there again. It also was right across the street from the library which was helpful as I needed internet access. Ireland was wonderful and beautiful (also cold, rainy, and windy). Now for the downside: 1. We ended up getting there on Thursday, March 13. Not good planning for geneology. many places closed early on Friday, and of course on Saturday and Sunday. Monday was a bank holiday. Seeing St. Patrick's Day in Ireland was good, but not for finding people and looking up resources. 2. I wrote letters to the local church and never received a response. We got to the church and found out that the local priest was gone for several weeks. The lady who worked there was also gone on holiday and neighbors were not sure of the exact day she would return. That was sad for me as I hoped to find some church records. 3. I had been emailing a gentleman from Kilkee who knew that there were elders in town who would have known my family. Sadly, for two months before I got there, I have never heard from him. I hope he is alright. I asked about him in town, but no one knew his name. 4. On St. Patrick's Day weekend not much was open, butr I asked everone I met if they knew anything about my Lennon or McInerney relatives. No success. 5. My relatives were teachers at the school in the 1900's. We just did not have good timing as the school also was closed while we were there. Helpful hints: I was looking for the old Bansha school by Kilkee. I did find it, but there are 2 Bansha National Schools - in 2 different counties. Bansha in Co. Clare is not on any map that I found. The school is by St. Seneans Well and directly across from a cemetary. That was not too hard to find. There is another cemetary that is much more difficult to find. I do not have street names, but I can give you general directions. You leave Kilkee to the north toward Bansha. After a few miles there is a fork in the road - go right and then there is a right turn. This is on the way to the Bansha school, the cemetary and the well. If you get to the old church, you have went to far. I did find family burial plots at this cemetary. The next one is harder to describe, but I will try. You leave Kilkee to the north toward Bansha. Before you get to the fork in the road, look to the left. Out in the field you will see a farm and a cemetary (I would say at least 1/2 mile from the road). You will turn left on a small road and then right on an even smaller road. You will end up being on a private cow farm. We asked the farmer for permission to enter and had to park our car by the farm. We walked through the fenced cow pasture (yes, we got strange looks from the cows). It was a short walk, 100 yards or so, to the cemetary. I did find family burial plots at this cemetary as well. I actually think it would be easier to locate the cemetary by the school first and then head back toward Kilkee. The second cemetary would now be on your right. I think it would be easier to see from this direction. Not living on a farm, i apologize in advance if I have used incorrect words to describe it. :) We stopped the car to take a picture and suddenly all of the cows were at the fence. I believe they thought I was going to feed them. interesting surprise for this city girl. I have not been that close to soo many cows. The very best part was that through the internet, I was able to locate a cousin that I never even knew I had. He met me there and was my guide to the cemetaries although he does not live in Co. Clare. I hope this may help someone. Nancy PS. Yes, I do hope to return again. :) >From: irl-clare-projects-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com >To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 46 >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:04:17 -0600 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Unaligned generations question. (Bernice) > 2. Re: Questions unanswered (Ruth Brooks) > 3. Re: County Clare Visit in August (Gerry Moloney) > 4. Re: Questions unanswered (Christine Bauman) > 5. Re: Questions unanswered (Sharon Carberry) > 6. Re: Unaligned generations question. (Michael Shergold) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:36:52 -0400 >From: "Bernice" <bshassett@fuse.net> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002901c7851d$f7444220$9887c4d8@hassettpc> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >When in County Clare a few years ago for vacation and research. We went to >The Heritage Center at Corofin to see if they might have suggestions for >locating my husband's grandfather's, James Hassett, actual date and place >of >birth. >We knew that he was born about 1860 in Clare and was one of several >children. James' father, Daniel, cannot be accounted for after the birth >of >a child in 1863. Daniel's wife (widow?) Bridget Culliney married again in >1864 and they had a child born in 1877. We did not know of others. That >step >child was personally known to my mother-in-law, after his immigration to >the >U.S. >With the history above, we were discouraged by the Center, because there >was >such a large span between 1st and last children and it was suggested that >we >had mixed familes. We had the Ellis Island record that said Barefield for >the step-child and we continued on our journey. >The delightful canon at Barefield opened the books and we found the second >marriage and an additional 6 step-children. My husband's family had no info >that there were any other children in that 2nd marriage family and they >only >knew of one brother from the first marriage. >Back in Kilrush we connected with my husband's Crotty descendents for the >first time. She was the grandmother who married the James Hassett without >a >birthdate or birthplace. >Bernice Seeger Hassett > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <augeus@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:26 AM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > Hi Michael > > > > The same has happened in my family. For instance my Great-Grandfather >was > > born in 1867, my grt grt grandparents fifth child. Their first child was > > born in 1860 and their last child was born in 1881. > > > > Unfortunately the first child dies at the age of 18 in 1878, (the last > > child > > being named after him three years later). However had he lived, he could > > well have been having children by the early 1880s. > > > > The tragedy in all this is that of the 10 children born over the twenty > > years, only 3 or 4 survived to adulthood. > > > > > > Regards > > Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael > > Shergold > > Sent: 21 April 2007 20:27 > > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > I am puzzled in that I now find myself in contact with Clare cousins > > younger than me) who are in fact true 2nd cousins of my grandfather. Is > > anyone aware of any studies that have been made into why this kind of > > generation slippage occurs. In my case it would seem to be because in > > Ireland there is a greater spread age difference between the oldest and > > the > > youngest sibling and that several males married wives younger (by 10 to >20 > > years) than them. > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 > > 11:56 AM > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:48:50 -0400 >From: "Ruth Brooks" <brooksruths@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002401c7851f$a1ff9330$6501a8c0@RUTH3> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Diane, > >When we used to visit my husband's aunts, I would question them about their >parents who came over from Ireland (my interest in genealogy began with >notes scribbled on whatever bits of paper I happened to have with me at the >time). When I would ask them what they had been told about life in >Ireland, >reasons for leaving, trip over, etc., they would always say the same thing >"they didn't want to talk about it" so maybe it is an "Irish" thing. > >Ruth > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:59 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered > > > > Alanna, I found your comment about people who would not talk about >family > > history interesting as this has > > also been my experience and I'm wondering if it was just an "Irish" >thing, > > a > > generational problem, personalities, or what? > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:09:33 +0100 >From: "Gerry Moloney" <Gerry.Moloney@itcarlow.ie> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] County Clare Visit in August >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: > <FA5156BADB9E74459AE804115D737B82B41280@STAFFMAIL.itcarlow.ie> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I highly recommend East Clare Golf Village catering apartments in Bodyke. I >have just stayed there. Standards very high and units are less than a year >old. You will find them on the web. Ger Teefy is the manager. >Hope this helps. >Gerry > >'You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.' >Gerry Moloney (Lecturer) >Computing Dept., ITCarlow, Ireland. >Office: (059)9170455 >Mobile: (087)9184000 >Gerry.Moloney@itcarlow.ie > >________________________________ > >From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of JDBEsq@aol.com >Sent: Sun 22/04/2007 20:34 >To: IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] County Clare Visit in August > > > >My! My! What great timing >Kay--My wife and I are going to Dublin/Clare/Bodyke in October/November >thanks to the Aer Lingus sale. >It would really be great if after you return home if you could post some >trip >suggestions from hotels, B&B, pubs, research--anything that would be useful >for a fellow traveler and researcher. >Thanks in advance >Doug >Satellite Beach Fl > >Looking for O'Brien's(I know: you have more than enough to go around<grin>) >from Knockbrack in 1840s. > > >************************************** > See what's free >at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com/> . > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:35:14 -0400 >From: "Christine Bauman" <chris.bauman@insightbb.com> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <009001c78526$1d133d00$6601a8c0@Shadowfax> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I think it's an "immigrant" thing--my German ancestors didn't talk much >about it either . . . > >Christine >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ruth Brooks" <brooksruths@comcast.net> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered > > > > Hi Diane, > > > > When we used to visit my husband's aunts, I would question them about > > their > > parents who came over from Ireland (my interest in genealogy began with > > notes scribbled on whatever bits of paper I happened to have with me at > > the > > time). When I would ask them what they had been told about life in > > Ireland, > > reasons for leaving, trip over, etc., they would always say the same >thing > > "they didn't want to talk about it" so maybe it is an "Irish" thing. > > > > Ruth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> > > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered > > > > > >> Alanna, I found your comment about people who would not talk about >family > >> history interesting as this has > >> also been my experience and I'm wondering if it was just an "Irish" > >> thing, > >> a > >> generational problem, personalities, or what? > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:09:57 -0400 >From: "Sharon Carberry" <smc.clare@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered >To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <1d2b5ed70704221609g63f019c5n10c243edc5d06854@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >O.K., Diane, you asked. My grandfather was the in the first generation of >U.S.-born, of adult age when his Clare-born grandmother >died (his own father was born in P.Q. as the first North American-born but >with an older sister born in Ireland). This is all that >was left for the generation of us doing family research in the 1990s: a >fern >plant bought by the Clare-born immigrant. No one >knew anything nor preserved anything for us, and the fern was not talking. >However, the cousins in Pennsylvania with the fern >plant knew just one detail from the oral "history" left them; it was right; >it led to records disclosing the actual Clare parish: >our great-grandfather was born in Montreal. It was up to me to travel up >there to get all the rest, when I was living in Washington >State at the time, a mere 3100 miles away. I managed to find all relevant >records on the microfilm and index cards, just before >the facility staff told me that my (well-behaved) children could no longer >wait in the hall for me. This is an tale of almost-misses >which nonetheless turned out well, but with very little oral history to >help. > >BTW the Penn. cousins knew nothing of our gggmother's younger Clare-born >sister who lived with her in a Philadelphia old-age home. >I am still searching for their younger brother, who could have either died >after the Dec 1849 eviction from their Clare home or emigrated >to Canada, U.S., or Australia. I am fairly sure he did not stay in Clare >(unless he was adopted). No one in the U.S. said anything about him or the >eviction, which seem like major events that would be passed along. > >Sharon Carberry >USA, with a new email address > > >On 4/22/07, Diane Apel <dianeapel@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Alanna, I found your comment about people who would not talk about >family > > history interesting as this has > > also been my experience and I'm wondering if it was just an "Irish" >thing, > > a > > generational problem, personalities, or what? > > > > When my oldest uncle was 87 I asked him some family history and he said >at > > age 10 my grandmother told him not to ask any more personal questions > > about > > her family, so he could not answer anything I asked him and she was long > > dead. My research did find quite a few skeltons in her closet, so >perhaps > > that was the problem. > > > > I spoke last week to an 80-something surviving family member I recently > > located in Quebec and he said he couldn't tell me much because his >father > > never would talk about his family when he asked questions (there were 16 > > children in it and other branches have the same problem). > > > > This has pretty much been my experience with anyone who would have been > > born > > before 1920. Was everyone mad at each other as appears to be the >problem > > in > > with my ancestors, or was it because families just didn't keep in touch > > because it was much more difficult than it is today? I'd be interested >to > > know what other researchers have encountered. > > > > Diane > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alanna Scanlon" <alannal@prodigy.net> > > To: "Irl-Clare-Proj" <IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:02 PM > > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > My mother's father was married twice. My mother was at the end of >the > > > second family. Her oldest 1/2 brother was 30 years older than my > > mother. > > > He had a daughter who was born within days of my mother. When they >were > > > in school together, they just said that they were cousins. > > > > > > I am the youngest of both sides of my family and everyone has died >off. > > > Everyone who knew anything either would not talk or was dead by the >time > > I > > > could ask questions. I remember starting to ask questions when I was >12 > > > and even then it was too late. > > > > > > Alanna > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:19:56 +0100 >From: "Michael Shergold" <michaelshergold@btconnect.com> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001901c7856f$709ba0e0$4001a8c0@novanew5> > >Thanks Bernice, Jayne, Bill and Allana and the others who replied to this >post.. It seems I am not alone in discovering this sort of situation. In >ths future, I guess, it will become much more common with so many second >and even third marriages creating even greater spans between the first and >last children with a particular surname. >Thanks to all >Michael > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bernice" <bshassett@fuse.net> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > When in County Clare a few years ago for vacation and research. We went > > to > > The Heritage Center at Corofin to see if they might have suggestions for > > locating my husband's grandfather's, James Hassett, actual date and >place > > of > > birth. > > We knew that he was born about 1860 in Clare and was one of several > > children. James' father, Daniel, cannot be accounted for after the >birth > > of > > a child in 1863. Daniel's wife (widow?) Bridget Culliney married again >in > > 1864 and they had a child born in 1877. We did not know of others. That > > step > > child was personally known to my mother-in-law, after his immigration to > > the > > U.S. > > With the history above, we were discouraged by the Center, because there > > was > > such a large span between 1st and last children and it was suggested >that > > we > > had mixed familes. We had the Ellis Island record that said Barefield > > for > > the step-child and we continued on our journey. > > The delightful canon at Barefield opened the books and we found the > > second > > marriage and an additional 6 step-children. My husband's family had no > > info > > that there were any other children in that 2nd marriage family and they > > only > > knew of one brother from the first marriage. > > Back in Kilrush we connected with my husband's Crotty descendents for >the > > first time. She was the grandmother who married the James Hassett > > without a > > birthdate or birthplace. > > Bernice Seeger Hassett > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <augeus@tiscali.co.uk> > > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > > >> Hi Michael > >> > >> The same has happened in my family. For instance my Great-Grandfather > >> was > >> born in 1867, my grt grt grandparents fifth child. Their first child >was > >> born in 1860 and their last child was born in 1881. > >> > >> Unfortunately the first child dies at the age of 18 in 1878, (the last > >> child > >> being named after him three years later). However had he lived, he >could > >> well have been having children by the early 1880s. > >> > >> The tragedy in all this is that of the 10 children born over the twenty > >> years, only 3 or 4 survived to adulthood. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael > >> Shergold > >> Sent: 21 April 2007 20:27 > >> To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > >> > >> I am puzzled in that I now find myself in contact with Clare cousins > >> younger than me) who are in fact true 2nd cousins of my grandfather. >Is > >> anyone aware of any studies that have been made into why this kind of > >> generation slippage occurs. In my case it would seem to be because in > >> Ireland there is a greater spread age difference between the oldest and > >> the > >> youngest sibling and that several males married wives younger (by 10 to > >> 20 > >> years) than them. > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: >4/21/2007 > >> 11:56 AM > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS list administrator, send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS mailing list, send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 46 >************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. 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Hi and thank you for the hints :o)) I'm hoping to visit the U.K. in the next couple of years and plan to make a trip to Ireland & County Clare to try to work out how my g.grandmother came to Australia post famine Ireland. All these hints make for a better planned journey, so thank you again! Eliz in Oz. Researching Catherine GORMAN b. 1827, dau of Hugh & Honora GORMAN of Fossa Beg, parish of Tomgraney, Scarrif, County Clare. PROJECTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 46 > We took the ferry from Wales to Rosslaire, Ireland. the ferry runs once > mid > day and then again at night. It takes a few hours. We were on the night > ferry and most people slept in the chairs, although there is a sleeping > area > (for an additional fee). >>From Rosslaire (east coast) to Kilkee (west coast), it takes about 5 hours > each way if you drive. Being from California, the roundabouts took some > getting used to. > In Kilkee, we stayed at Lynch'e B & B and it was very nice and moderately > priced and the food was very good. I would certainly stay there again. It > also was right across the street from the library which was helpful as I > needed internet access. > Ireland was wonderful and beautiful (also cold, rainy, and windy).