The below message, already posted this morning, was done as a reply to Paddy Casey but appeared in my inbox as a reply to Alanna. Sorry for any confusion, but my new Gmail program is causing some issues. It also took me far too long to do a reply on the St. Patrick's parish inquiry because I could not accomplish a simple cut-and-paste. I may have to switch my address again and use a different inbox. Sharon C. On 4/29/07, Sharon Carberry <smc.clare@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the compliment on my memory, which indeed at one point was > photographic in quality but time has > taken its toll. > > Now, onto the families with peripheral significance in your family > history. Verling is the spelling more usual in Co. Cork, > which is the likely origin of the Verlins who resided in Clare (Google for > Mary Mullins' description of the first O'Callaghan > to be exiled to Clare, with some associated families). I am checking into > some Verlins in the U.S. cenuses and will > report if I find anything of note. However, as to the relevant Fitzgerald > in this time period, you may want to consider either > this gentleman or his father: > Fitzgerald, Jas. Foster V., address: Moyriesk, Quin 1,047 acres > listed in > Return of Owners of Land... > for which the year may be either 1875 or 1871 [I am not satisfied that > anyone has pinned it down yet] > > This was a major propertied family in SW Ireland, so it is not > surprising that there is also a listing for: > Fitzgerald, Wm. Foster Vesy Derrybrick, Kilmihill 3581 acres > > There are other listings for family members in Dublin and London, all > typical for landed gentry of that era. > > Hope that adds to the overall picture. Thanks for keeping us informed as > things develop. > > Sharon C. > > > On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: > > > > > > You must have an amazing associative memory, Sharon, to connect the > > Thomas > > Verlin of Kilkishen to my family. > > > > In the baptismal records of our family in 2Q of the 19th century various > > Verlins pop up as sponsors* but I have never definitively located that > > family. It was my assumption that because several different Verlins are > > listed as sponsors it would most likely be a family living in the > > vicinity > > of mine, i.e. near the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of > > Kilkeedy. In the GV there is a Judith Verling in Rinecaha and there is a > > John Verling in Derrylumman, both places being within walking distance > > of > > Shanballysallagh. > > > > Regarding the Vesey-Fitzgerald connection, I have come to the tentative > > conclusion that my GGF's landlord might have been William, Lord > > Fitzgerald > > and Vesci, born 1783, who lived in Lahardan House in the parish of > > Inchicronan very near my GGF's home. Lahardan House was burned down a > > few > > years prior to 1820 and the family then went to live in Moyriesk House > > (which I have not yet located, but the name 'riesk', which means a > > marshy > > area covered with rushes, tantalisingly suggests that it may have been > > in > > the plain of the Moyrhee river, i.e. also near my GGF's home which abuts > > directly on the riesk of that river). > > > > But now your Kilkishen connection is giving me food for thought. > > > > Thanks for making this association. > > > > Paddy > > > > > > * Denis Howard was married to Mary Ryan (the Ryan's also figured among > > the > > sponsors of the children to Michael Casey and Honor Howard). This couple > > resided at Shanballysallagh, where they were recorded having the > > following > > family:- > > > > BRIDGET baptised 1838, sponsors John Verlin & Honora Keating > > > > KATE baptised 1841, sponsors Michael & Anne Ryan > > > > HONOR baptised 1842, sponsors Thomas Verlin & Bridget Sullivan > > > > PATRICK baptised 1844, sponsors John Ryan & Jane Verlin > > > > >From the above you will note that Honor was born in 1842. Her brother > > Patrick born 1844, inherited the farm from his father Denis, this > > Patrick > > married Catherine McCaul, and the Tubber Parish Register records the > > following children to the couple:- > > > > MARY baptised 3-6-1871, sponsors John & Nora Quilivan > > > > DENIS baptised 19-5-1872, sponsors David Verlin & Susan Ryan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon > > Carberry > > Sent: 27 April 2007 21:13 > > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C > > surnames,Bunratty barony > > > > > > > > Well, not so fast on the discounting, because, having now read through > > your > > website > > listed on the Clare Past forum, you mention Thomas Verlin in your > > northern > > Clare/southern > > Galway area. He is likely (same time period) the same Thomas Verlin who > > appears in the > > Kilkishen area in the GV. Just as I am taking more and more note of the > > names appearing > > in Kilrush east to Newmarket and finding the Studderts as landlords in > > all > > of those areas, I know > > that you are looking at instances of Vesey-Fitzgerald. So, consider > > this: > > > > Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin > > Barony of Bunratty > > #882-428 1828-1832 time period > > Backfield and Classduff [Gortadroma and Clashduff, which are basically > > Kilkishen] > > Lord Devesci by deed of trust > > > > That is from the notes I made. > > > > Sharon C. > > > > > > > > On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks very much for this, Sharon. One of our bits of family lore > > about > > > the > > > origins of the Tubber Caseys says that they came from Lisduff but I've > > > tended to discount that because Lisduff is so far away. There is a > > Casey > > > in > > > your list, albeit a Stephen Casey, which is not one of our family > > > forenames. > > > > > > I'm looking forward to other listers contributing transcriptions to > > the > > > Clare Library site. The process could unearth a lot of interesting > > > material, > > > some of which may have been languishing in drawers for lack of > > knowledge > > > as > > > to how to put it online. > > > > > > Paddy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >