Another consideration with these indexes is the fact that, with you still get a name-only listing so you still need to deal with which of three-five-or more Patrick Hogans in the 1868 deaths for Clare might be the right one. Also, transcription errors are common, and very likely someone is going to order the wrong record because even just one number is off in the entry info as transcribed. I did pay the fee at the Registrar's Office in Dublin and copied out all the death index listings for my various surnames. I have yet to order records for any of them. It has not been needed for my research. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Birth, Marriage & Death Index of Ireland > > The Registrar's Office in Dublin is already digitising the BMD records. I > don't know whether there are plans to put them on line (at a price) but I'm > not sure whether there would be added value in digitising the records a > second time apart from ensuring that they become accessible without charge. > > Or have I misunderstood something here ? > > Paddy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > DLCulhane@cs.com > Sent: 29 March 2007 15:30 > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Birth, Marriage & Death Index of Ireland > > > > The civil indexes are kept by the GRO, not the Church, and have been filmed > by the LDS. I think it would be a great volunteer project because the > indexes > are typeset so there's no difficult reading to guess at. In fact, I wonder > if > the entries could be scanned by an OCR system and then combined into larger > chunks of time, say 5 or 10 years. Eventually, of course, the goal would be > to > have the indexes span the period from 1864 through, say, 1964, but 5- or > 10-year > chunks would be a great start, much easier than looking at 3 months at a > time. > > Diane </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another consideration with these indexes is the fact that, with you still get a name-only listing so you still need to deal with which of three-five-or more Patrick Hogans in the 1868 deaths for Clare might be the right one. Also, transcription errors are common, and very likely someone is going to order the wrong record because even just one number is off in the entry info as transcribed. I did pay the fee at the Registrar's Office in Dublin and copied out all the death index listings for my various surnames. I have yet to order records for any of them. It has not been needed for my research. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Birth, Marriage & Death Index of Ireland > > The Registrar's Office in Dublin is already digitising the BMD records. I > don't know whether there are plans to put them on line (at a price) but I'm > not sure whether there would be added value in digitising the records a > second time apart from ensuring that they become accessible without charge. > > Or have I misunderstood something here ? > > Paddy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > DLCulhane@cs.com > Sent: 29 March 2007 15:30 > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Birth, Marriage & Death Index of Ireland > > > > The civil indexes are kept by the GRO, not the Church, and have been filmed > by the LDS. I think it would be a great volunteer project because the > indexes > are typeset so there's no difficult reading to guess at. In fact, I wonder > if > the entries could be scanned by an OCR system and then combined into larger > chunks of time, say 5 or 10 years. Eventually, of course, the goal would be > to > have the indexes span the period from 1864 through, say, 1964, but 5- or > 10-year > chunks would be a great start, much easier than looking at 3 months at a > time. > > Diane </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOL, the marvels of modern technology are wonderful, arn't they? I can only imagine what would happen if I were doing it. (I am notorious for overlooking the obvious mistakes. I belive this happens when my fingers get ahead of my small brain.) Joseph Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: My apologies for the double posting just now, and really bad typing recently. I need to get a new computer, which will be soon I think. I have totally screwed up the Outloook program in my current one. My workaround for that is sending out messages before thorough proofreading. I will try harder in the interim. Sharon C.

The civil indexes are kept by the GRO, not the Church, and have been filmed by the LDS. I think it would be a great volunteer project because the indexes are typeset so there's no difficult reading to guess at. In fact, I wonder if the entries could be scanned by an OCR system and then combined into larger chunks of time, say 5 or 10 years. Eventually, of course, the goal would be to have the indexes span the period from 1864 through, say, 1964, but 5- or 10-year chunks would be a great start, much easier than looking at 3 months at a time. Diane </HTML>

I would also be willing to work on this project. It seems its time has come! I suspect the problem would be there in Ireland, getting permission from the powers that be in the various Churches to have access to the records. Isn't that always the problem? Diane in the USA

Wow, Jan, get out of my head. I was only thinking that this morning. I must say the thought of that is daunting but...not outside the realm of possiblity. (first time I ever had an Australian in my head, I have to say that!). I've been working at my "real job" this week but will catch up this weekend on the list. There have been many good posts this week that I'm looking forward to reading. Liz On 3/29/07, Jan Vernon <janvernon@optushome.com.au> wrote: > Hi Fellow Researchers, > > I was wondering if there is any discussion or plan to have the Birth, Marriage and Death Registration Index of Ireland transcribed so it is available on a web site. Perhaps something similar to FreeBMD for England. > > This seems to be a resource that is not readily available, especially to those who live on the other side of the world. > > Just a thought. > > Regards > Jan Vernon > Sydney, Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list & Margaret, Noting the McNAMARAs in your list, I thought it was worth a shot to ask if you have a set of parents: Mary McNAMARA and Patrick FITZPARICK with a daughter, Elizabeth, "Eliza" b. Nov. 11, 1829. Co. Clare. Also, I will be in Ennis, Co. Clare, the end of May. Any suggestions on where I might do a little research for this family? I have compared the surname location on Griffiths list & find Patrick FITZPATRICKs & McNAMARAS in 15 locations. Thank you in advance, Jo Banks ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I'll transcribe too. Anne. from Cairns, Aus. > Perplexed <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Can we access these eg. Get scans and send around to volunteers? If > yes, than I'm more than happy to have a go at transcribing. > > Anne > > From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:12 PM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Project suggestions > > > > Since the County Clare Library now has the tithes online, how about > > getting the GV House, Field, Tenure, Miscellaneous and Quarto Books > > transcribed. Some of these contain info recorded 10 to 15 years > before > > the published GV and after the Tithe Applotments. I found them > > extremely helpful when searching the Clanwilliam area of County > > Tipperary. Interesting notes, crossed out names of those who used to > > live there sometimes with dates of move, not to mention wife's name > > after husband died. They are now available through the Family History > > Library. > > > > -- > > Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can we access these eg. Get scans and send around to volunteers? If yes, than I'm more than happy to have a go at transcribing. Anne From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Project suggestions > Since the County Clare Library now has the tithes online, how about > getting the GV House, Field, Tenure, Miscellaneous and Quarto Books > transcribed. Some of these contain info recorded 10 to 15 years before > the published GV and after the Tithe Applotments. I found them > extremely helpful when searching the Clanwilliam area of County > Tipperary. Interesting notes, crossed out names of those who used to > live there sometimes with dates of move, not to mention wife's name > after husband died. They are now available through the Family History > Library. > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >

An interesting idea, however the housebooks I've used were a nightmare to even read let alone transcribe accurately. I hope there's someone out there braver than me! Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <tis_herself@cox.net> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Project suggestions >I agree with Pat. She and I haven't been in touch for some time -- >Hope now that I'm back to my Clare families, I'll hear more from you, Pat. > > Ruth Coomey Hakala > tis_herself@cox.net >

Paddy, I have photocopies for Clashduff (near Kilkishen) of the series you might be referring to when you said that the colored ink shows changes over the years since the GV. My set of pages, done at intervals between the GV and 1976, has such interlineations which are legible but only show a first and last name of the new property occupier. I have heard that some also has a year noted. These are generally known as the cancelled land books. So far as I know, the Valuation Office in Dublin will readily send those for any townland, but the fee is fairly hefty. I show below the National Archives description for both what Pat Connors described and for the series which I just described. Sharon Carberry "Other deposited Valuation Office records are the Field Books, House Books, Mill Books, Quarto Books, Record of Tenure Books and Miscellaneous Books, which relate to the preparation of the Primary Valuation and the earlier Townland Valuation. In addition, there are Letter Books 1827-94, Letter Registers 1850-61, records prepared under the Finance Act 1910, and Boundary Survey maps and registers relating to the determination and alteration of administrative boundaries 1826-41 and 1854-1925. The Cancelled Valuation Lists, or records of subsequent periodic revisions of the Primary Valuation, are still held in the Valuation Office, where they can be searched on payment of a fee. The annotated copies of Ordnance Survey maps associated with Griffith's Valuation have recently been transferred to the National Archives, where they are not yet available for inspection, but scanned copies can be viewed in the Valuation Office." http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/nai/puboffs.htm#Griffith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Project suggestions - Griffiths Valuation > > Pat, > > I have not seen these books but understand that the copies in the archives > in Dublin are full of remarks made with coloured pens and these remarks are > no longer as clearly visible in the microfilmed versions. Is this true and, > if so, would this be significant for a transcription project and, if so, how > could this problem be overcome ? > > Paddy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Connors > Sent: 26 March 2007 23:12 > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Project suggestions > > > > Since the County Clare Library now has the tithes online, how about > getting the GV House, Field, Tenure, Miscellaneous and Quarto Books > transcribed. Some of these contain info recorded 10 to 15 years before > the published GV and after the Tithe Applotments. I found them > extremely helpful when searching the Clanwilliam area of County > Tipperary. Interesting notes, crossed out names of those who used to > live there sometimes with dates of move, not to mention wife's name > after husband died. They are now available through the Family History > Library. > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I transcribed part the Clanwilliam Barony (Co Tipp) at the archives in Dublin in September and they were on film (now on the Tipperary section of my website). I found out about these records at a genealogy conference in Boston at the end of August and found the data very interesting. Yes, some are hard to read, like the tithes, but the info is invaluable. Paddy, you probably saw the original records which I was not directed to at the archives but films give up a lot of info and they are now available through the Family History Library. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com