Hi Listers More books - various types (not sure if they have already been mentioned as computer went down and lost many messages). Lion of Ireland by Morgan Llywelyn Ireland's Civil War Carlton Younger Michael Collins Tim Pat Coogan Out of Ireland Christopher Koch IreLand Robin Boyd I Cry for My People Martin McMahon The Great Irish Famine Stephen J. Campbell Martin McGuinness - From Guns to Government Liam Clarke and Kathryn Johnston The Celtic Book of Living and Dying I have found all of the above interesting. Kay Blessings at this Eastertime to Everyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] More Books

Doug, Not the answer to your questions but see also http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-15441216.html and http://goodnonsense.blogspot.com/2007/03/thomas-flanagan-trilogy.html and http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1252/is_n16_v121/ai_15737641 and http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,980754,00.html Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JDBEsq@aol.com Sent: 06 April 2007 19:01 To: IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] More Books Good Morning All Since we are discussing good books wrt Irish history be they fiction or non fiction has anyone read and if so what is your opinion of"The End of the Hunt" by Thomas Flanagan. I picked it up for a buck at a library book sale. Doug ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning All Since we are discussing good books wrt Irish history be they fiction or non fiction has anyone read and if so what is your opinion of"The End of the Hunt" by Thomas Flanagan. I picked it up for a buck at a library book sale. Doug ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Elizabeth, In case you are interested Brendan Graham's followup book to Whitest Flower is called Brightest Day Darkest Night and it is a great read. Cheers, Ellen in Tassie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Andrews" <e.andrews@bigpond.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] for elizabeth Andrews > Whoops! > I have just realised I have a copy of Thomas Kenneally's book "The Great > Shame". The great shame is that it has stayed on my bookshelves. :o(( > > I have just put that on my "to do" list following the reading of Trinity! >> >> Another book I've read was by Brendan Graham and called the Whitest >> Flower >> He is unusual in a fiction novelist in that he lists his research sources >> from the Potatoe Famine and gives quite a graphic history of the Irish >> through the eyes of his heroine. >> He talks about the Church of Ireland and the Church of Rome (something I >> new >> nothing of) the Church of Ireland being the original Christian Church >> before the British sent in the representatives of the Church of Rome and >> subsequently the Church of England. > > Elizabeth Andrews > Mornington Peninsula, Vic., > Australia. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whoops! I have just realised I have a copy of Thomas Kenneally's book "The Great Shame". The great shame is that it has stayed on my bookshelves. :o(( I have just put that on my "to do" list following the reading of Trinity! > > Another book I've read was by Brendan Graham and called the Whitest Flower > He is unusual in a fiction novelist in that he lists his research sources > from the Potatoe Famine and gives quite a graphic history of the Irish > through the eyes of his heroine. > He talks about the Church of Ireland and the Church of Rome (something I > new > nothing of) the Church of Ireland being the original Christian Church > before the British sent in the representatives of the Church of Rome and > subsequently the Church of England. Elizabeth Andrews Mornington Peninsula, Vic., Australia.

Thank you Wilma. Another book I've read was by Brendan Graham and called the Whitest Flower He is unusual in a fiction novelist in that he lists his research sources from the Potatoe Famine and gives quite a graphic history of the Irish through the eyes of his heroine. He talks about the Church of Ireland and the Church of Rome (something I new nothing of) the Church of Ireland being the original Christian Church before the British sent in the representatives of the Church of Rome and subsequently the Church of England. . He also gives quite graphic detail about the scourge of the famine and the subsequent forced entry into Work Houses and immigration to Canada. It's all centred in County Clare and it certainly fired my interest. It's all fascinating to me! I can feel the eyes of my G.Grandmother boring into the computer screen over my shoulder from the photograph on the wall behind me <gg> and saying "tunder did you hear it", a saying she had as my Mum used to relate when there was a thunder storm in the Mallee. My Mum would be thrilled to see all this if she was alive today! My GG Grandmother emigrated here to Aus. but how is yet to be discovered (whether she came as a servant or on a Bride Ship). I suspect she came on a Bride Ship but have yet to be able to get any literature on that. Thanks again and I certainly will get Leon Uris' other book - Redemption - to read if it's still out there. Elizabeth Andrews Mornington Peninsula, Vic. Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/04/2007 > 1:09 PM > >

Hi Elizabeth and all When you have finished "Trinity" must read "Redemption" Wonderful History insight Hooray for Leon Uris Wilma

Hello all, I'm a newby to this list as well as to researching my Irish forebears. I'm very grateful for the link to the Clare Library site because I think I may have happened on Hugh GORMAN my GG Grandfather. He is listed (along with 15 others) on a tithe applotment in Fossabeg - Townland and Tomgraney - Parish. It may well be a long straw because all I know of my G.Grandmother Catherine GORMAN is that her father was Hugh GORMAN and mother Honora MACANARTNEY and that Catherine was born in Scarriff, County Clare in1831. Catherine subsequently came to Australia and was married to my G.Grandfather Joseph HARWOOD on the goldfields of Wedderburn, Victoria. What I would like to know is if there is anyway of confirming the link. I do appreciate that the history of the times made record keeping extremely tenuous. I'm new to Irish history also having been brought up in the Anglican Church and secular schools. Have just started reading Leon Uris' book Trinity. Quite an eye-opener! Thank you for the chance to look! Elizabeth Andrews Victoria, Australia. > > This also happened to me so what I did was go to > www.clarelibrary.ie click on genealogy and you will find the tithe > applotments by surname is listed. >

Hello Muriel, This also happened to me so what I did was go to www.clarelibrary.ie click on genealogy and you will find the tithe applotments by surname is listed. Cheers, Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim gambrel" <jgambrel@shaw.ca> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Tithe Applotments indexed by name on ClareLibrary site > When I click on the address below, it tells me the page cannot be found. > > Muriel > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patrick > Casey > Sent: April 4, 2007 12:37 PM > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Tithe Applotments indexed by name on > ClareLibrary site > > > Searching of the 1820s/1830s Tithe Applotment records for County Clare has > now been greatly facilitated by a new surname index just posted on the > Clare > Library website at > > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/name_index/s > urname_index.htm > > This index makes it much easier to plot clusters of names in the county > and > thereby derive hints as to relationships between individuals in the > clusters. > > Paddy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paddy,This is great news (for my research) and thank you for this information. Cheers, Ellen Researching McMahons "somewhere" in Co.Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:36 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Tithe Applotments indexed by name on ClareLibrary site > > Searching of the 1820s/1830s Tithe Applotment records for County Clare has > now been greatly facilitated by a new surname index just posted on the > Clare > Library website at > > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/name_index/s > urname_index.htm > > This index makes it much easier to plot clusters of names in the county > and > thereby derive hints as to relationships between individuals in the > clusters. > > Paddy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Paddy, for the update. How much easier this is now... of course, as always, had to wander around the site, and once again checked the 1901 census for my family. Yes, they are still there, Dillons of Kinturk DED, Cloonbooly. It always makes me smile to see my grandmother, Bridget, aged two months listed as unable to write and not married. She died when my own mother was just 11, but from what I know of her, she had a wicked sense of humour. I'm sure she would see the funny side of it as well. Thanks to Liz Haren and all others who have transcribed the Tithe Applotment records. Chris in Brisbane > Searching of the 1820s/1830s Tithe Applotment records for County Clare has > now been greatly facilitated by a new surname index just posted on the Clare > Library website at > > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/name_index/s > urname_index.htm > > (snip) > > Paddy > > > > >

Muriel, This is a limitation of the Rootsweb listing system in that it sometime chops URLs into two or more bits. You can either go directly to the Clare Library site at www.clarelibrary.ie (where it is listed under "What's New") or you can simply glue the two bits of the URL together by copy-and-pasting and paste the result into your browser. Listers can also post this kind of information on the Clare Library Clare Past" forum at http://www.ourlibrary.ca/phpbb2/index.php which keeps the URLs intact. Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jim gambrel Sent: 05 April 2007 03:59 To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Tithe Applotments indexed by name on ClareLibrary site When I click on the address below, it tells me the page cannot be found. Muriel -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Casey Sent: April 4, 2007 12:37 PM To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Tithe Applotments indexed by name on ClareLibrary site Searching of the 1820s/1830s Tithe Applotment records for County Clare has now been greatly facilitated by a new surname index just posted on the Clare Library website at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/name_index/s urname_index.htm This index makes it much easier to plot clusters of names in the county and thereby derive hints as to relationships between individuals in the clusters. Paddy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Searching of the 1820s/1830s Tithe Applotment records for County Clare has now been greatly facilitated by a new surname index just posted on the Clare Library website at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/name_index/s urname_index.htm This index makes it much easier to plot clusters of names in the county and thereby derive hints as to relationships between individuals in the clusters. Paddy

When I click on the address below, it tells me the page cannot be found. Muriel -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Casey Sent: April 4, 2007 12:37 PM To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Tithe Applotments indexed by name on ClareLibrary site Searching of the 1820s/1830s Tithe Applotment records for County Clare has now been greatly facilitated by a new surname index just posted on the Clare Library website at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/name_index/s urname_index.htm This index makes it much easier to plot clusters of names in the county and thereby derive hints as to relationships between individuals in the clusters. Paddy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

WOW, I cannot believe they did it, after I spent hours last year pulling my surnames out . LOL, oh well, this gives me something to check my work against to see if I have it all correct. Joseph

Sounds good to me. Will u need transcribers???? Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus > Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > > Here is an ambitious suggestion: someone could contact Rosemary > ffolliott (or her estate's representative, if she is deceased) to gain > permission to extract the Clare newspaper items in her series which > is on microform, held in so few places (Dublin/Genealogical Office, > Ennis/Clare Library, Chicago/Newberry Library are the ones I know of): > > Index to biographical notices in newspapers of Limerick, Ennis, Clonmel > and Waterford, 1758-1821 > > I should note that this series itself is an extraction, as Dennis Ahearn > (TIARA) has shown me the difference between the original articles and > the > details preserved in the ffolliott series. However, all the good details > are > extracted. I have these for two of my surnames (it's arranged by > surname, not by county), and I can attest that, while many articles > concern the landed gentry, there are also many instances of the "common > folk" getting in trouble or doing newsworthy things. > > While I am more in need of details for the 1830s/1840s than I am yet for > the first two decades of the 1800s, if permission could be secured, then > the material could be obtained from the Clare Library, as I assume they > would love to have the chance to put this on their website. Also, the > author may be more inclined to cooperate when an Irish institution is > involved. > > Sharon Carberry > USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ruth, It's http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/ and he's Kennedy, Thomas, Clooncolman Lissycasey Co. Clare, (065)6834801 Off you go ! Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Brooks Sent: 01 April 2007 16:06 To: Clare Projects Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Telephone directory help Asking a personal favor -- hope no one minds. Sometime in the last year I found a site with Clare directory listings and now don't know how to find it again. Some years ago we were able to locate a cousin of my husband's living in Lissycasey, met him in Ennis about 8 years ago, and have exchanged notes with him over the years. Now he's not answering our mail and we're concerned. I believe I saw a directory listing for him: Tom/Tommy/Thomas Kennedy in Lissycasey. Would someone in Ireland be kind enough to send me either the number or tell me how to access the directory. Thanks for any help, Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jo, To maximize the benefit I recommend you plan your research. Regards, Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Josiebanks@aol.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Clare Roots Society Talk > > Larry, > What a tremendous amount of research! Interesting to follow the path. > Makes me think my 5 days in Ennis in May won't be near enough to find my > kin > when all I have are a few names, one birthdate & no definite places other > than Co. Clare & where I could find Patrick FITZPATRICKS in Griffith's > lists. > Also sure makes me wish you were related to FITZPATRICKs or McNAMARAs. > > So, I will plan on enjoying the scenery, the music & whatever else > comes > my way! Jo Banks > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Paddy. We really appreciate it. Ruth > >> > It's http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/ and he's Kennedy, Thomas, Clooncolman > Lissycasey Co. Clare, (065)6834801 > > Off you go ! > > Paddy > > > -----Original Message----- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, this series is extensive enough that one person could not do all the extractions. However, we each could sign up for a surname or two or three. Besides the gen. value, reading as you type will be interesting, more so than the work involved in Tithe Applotment project. The printed nature of the series also eliminates guessing at the surnames and placenames recorded in handwriting in other series. Sharon Carberry ----- Original Message ----- From: <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Another project suggestion > Sounds good to me. Will u need transcribers???? > Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus > > > > > Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Here is an ambitious suggestion: someone could contact Rosemary > > ffolliott (or her estate's representative, if she is deceased) to gain > > permission to extract the Clare newspaper items in her series which > > is on microform, held in so few places (Dublin/Genealogical Office, > > Ennis/Clare Library, Chicago/Newberry Library are the ones I know of): > > > > Index to biographical notices in newspapers of Limerick, Ennis, Clonmel > > and Waterford, 1758-1821 > > > > I should note that this series itself is an extraction, as Dennis Ahearn > > (TIARA) has shown me the difference between the original articles and > > the > > details preserved in the ffolliott series. However, all the good details > > are > > extracted. I have these for two of my surnames (it's arranged by > > surname, not by county), and I can attest that, while many articles > > concern the landed gentry, there are also many instances of the "common > > folk" getting in trouble or doing newsworthy things. > > > > While I am more in need of details for the 1830s/1840s than I am yet for > > the first two decades of the 1800s, if permission could be secured, then > > the material could be obtained from the Clare Library, as I assume they > > would love to have the chance to put this on their website. Also, the > > author may be more inclined to cooperate when an Irish institution is > > involved. > > > > Sharon Carberry > > USA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message