What is it you are looking for ?? Have you tried www.Canada411 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna Scanlon" <alannal@prodigy.net> To: "Irl-Clare-Proj" <IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Off Topic: Need Canadian phone book help! > Dear List, > > I know some of the people are in Canada or have access to phone books > from a few months. Cannot use current books. I cannot find what I need > on the internet either. > > If someone could please help me, I would so appreciate it and please > email me privately. > > Alanna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 25/04/2007 > 12:19 PM > >

Alice, thank you so very much. You provided what I needed. I hope that I can help people with that information. Alanna Alice <alice7@xplornet.com> wrote: What is it you are looking for ?? Have you tried www.Canada411 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna Scanlon" To: "Irl-Clare-Proj" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Off Topic: Need Canadian phone book help! > Dear List, > > I know some of the people are in Canada or have access to phone books > from a few months. Cannot use current books. I cannot find what I need > on the internet either. > > If someone could please help me, I would so appreciate it and please > email me privately. > > Alanna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 25/04/2007 > 12:19 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, I know some of the people are in Canada or have access to phone books from a few months. Cannot use current books. I cannot find what I need on the internet either. If someone could please help me, I would so appreciate it and please email me privately. Alanna

Hello, In the civil parish of St. Patrick's North, Co. Clare, there is St. Patrick's church in the village of Parteen. St. Patrick's is in the diocese of Limerick. I believe there is also a St. Patrick's church in the city of Limerick, Co. Limerick. The following link is the website for the Limerick Diocesan Heritage Project. For St. Patrick's in Parteen, click on Parteen-Meelik-Coonagh. http://www.limerickdioceseheritage.org/parishIndex.htm Judie Mason Chicago Water King Plumbing Services Pty Ltd <carolyn@waterking.com.au> wrote: Hi Danny, I believe that St. patricks is in Upper Bunratty Barony. Try a Search at The County Clare Library Site Ireland Website at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/ and it will take you to a lot of genealogy stuff. Kind regards Carolyn Markham. P.S. I am searching for my husbands great great grandparents burial site. John Joseph Markham and Mary Markham nee Sullivan. If you come across Markhams of Clooney, Quin please let me know. CM. Bondi AUS -----Original Message----- From: David Kenny [mailto:dakenny@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 2:52 PM To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] CANNY / RYALL Marriage Location Hi List, Further to my post on the CANNY / RYALL's - I would like to post a question if I may to the list. Edward Canny RYALL (of Ennis) and Eleanor Elizabeth PHAYER (of Carbally) married on the 25th June 1857 The Marriage Certificate, which I have a copy of, indicates the Marriage took place as follows.. St Patricks Church, in the Parish of St Patrick in the County of Clare Married in the Parish Church of St Patrick according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland, by License St Patricks Church is located where? If I explore the Parish of St Patrick I can see it covers a fair area, I have tried to Googled for St Patricks Church Parish of St Patricks, but not really getting any direction to the location - my aim is to find the location and then maybe try and get a photo of the church... Does anyone have any thoughts on the location of St Patricks Church? Regards David Ourimbah, NSW, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doug, I have just returned from County Clare (my first visit to Ireland). I learned a few interesting items along the way. We took the ferry from Wales to Rosslaire, Ireland. the ferry runs once mid day and then again at night. It takes a few hours. We were on the night ferry and most people slept in the chairs, although there is a sleeping area (for an additional fee). >From Rosslaire (east coast) to Kilkee (west coast), it takes about 5 hours each way if you drive. Being from California, the roundabouts took some getting used to. In Kilkee, we stayed at Lynch'e B & B and it was very nice and moderately priced and the food was very good. I would certainly stay there again. It also was right across the street from the library which was helpful as I needed internet access. Ireland was wonderful and beautiful (also cold, rainy, and windy). Now for the downside: 1. We ended up getting there on Thursday, March 13. Not good planning for geneology. many places closed early on Friday, and of course on Saturday and Sunday. Monday was a bank holiday. Seeing St. Patrick's Day in Ireland was good, but not for finding people and looking up resources. 2. I wrote letters to the local church and never received a response. We got to the church and found out that the local priest was gone for several weeks. The lady who worked there was also gone on holiday and neighbors were not sure of the exact day she would return. That was sad for me as I hoped to find some church records. 3. I had been emailing a gentleman from Kilkee who knew that there were elders in town who would have known my family. Sadly, for two months before I got there, I have never heard from him. I hope he is alright. I asked about him in town, but no one knew his name. 4. On St. Patrick's Day weekend not much was open, butr I asked everone I met if they knew anything about my Lennon or McInerney relatives. No success. 5. My relatives were teachers at the school in the 1900's. We just did not have good timing as the school also was closed while we were there. Helpful hints: I was looking for the old Bansha school by Kilkee. I did find it, but there are 2 Bansha National Schools - in 2 different counties. Bansha in Co. Clare is not on any map that I found. The school is by St. Seneans Well and directly across from a cemetary. That was not too hard to find. There is another cemetary that is much more difficult to find. I do not have street names, but I can give you general directions. You leave Kilkee to the north toward Bansha. After a few miles there is a fork in the road - go right and then there is a right turn. This is on the way to the Bansha school, the cemetary and the well. If you get to the old church, you have went to far. I did find family burial plots at this cemetary. The next one is harder to describe, but I will try. You leave Kilkee to the north toward Bansha. Before you get to the fork in the road, look to the left. Out in the field you will see a farm and a cemetary (I would say at least 1/2 mile from the road). You will turn left on a small road and then right on an even smaller road. You will end up being on a private cow farm. We asked the farmer for permission to enter and had to park our car by the farm. We walked through the fenced cow pasture (yes, we got strange looks from the cows). It was a short walk, 100 yards or so, to the cemetary. I did find family burial plots at this cemetary as well. I actually think it would be easier to locate the cemetary by the school first and then head back toward Kilkee. The second cemetary would now be on your right. I think it would be easier to see from this direction. Not living on a farm, i apologize in advance if I have used incorrect words to describe it. :) We stopped the car to take a picture and suddenly all of the cows were at the fence. I believe they thought I was going to feed them. interesting surprise for this city girl. I have not been that close to soo many cows. The very best part was that through the internet, I was able to locate a cousin that I never even knew I had. He met me there and was my guide to the cemetaries although he does not live in Co. Clare. I hope this may help someone. Nancy PS. Yes, I do hope to return again. :) >From: irl-clare-projects-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com >To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 46 >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:04:17 -0600 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Unaligned generations question. (Bernice) > 2. Re: Questions unanswered (Ruth Brooks) > 3. Re: County Clare Visit in August (Gerry Moloney) > 4. Re: Questions unanswered (Christine Bauman) > 5. Re: Questions unanswered (Sharon Carberry) > 6. Re: Unaligned generations question. (Michael Shergold) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:36:52 -0400 >From: "Bernice" <bshassett@fuse.net> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002901c7851d$f7444220$9887c4d8@hassettpc> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >When in County Clare a few years ago for vacation and research. We went to >The Heritage Center at Corofin to see if they might have suggestions for >locating my husband's grandfather's, James Hassett, actual date and place >of >birth. >We knew that he was born about 1860 in Clare and was one of several >children. James' father, Daniel, cannot be accounted for after the birth >of >a child in 1863. Daniel's wife (widow?) Bridget Culliney married again in >1864 and they had a child born in 1877. We did not know of others. That >step >child was personally known to my mother-in-law, after his immigration to >the >U.S. >With the history above, we were discouraged by the Center, because there >was >such a large span between 1st and last children and it was suggested that >we >had mixed familes. We had the Ellis Island record that said Barefield for >the step-child and we continued on our journey. >The delightful canon at Barefield opened the books and we found the second >marriage and an additional 6 step-children. My husband's family had no info >that there were any other children in that 2nd marriage family and they >only >knew of one brother from the first marriage. >Back in Kilrush we connected with my husband's Crotty descendents for the >first time. She was the grandmother who married the James Hassett without >a >birthdate or birthplace. >Bernice Seeger Hassett > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <augeus@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:26 AM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > Hi Michael > > > > The same has happened in my family. For instance my Great-Grandfather >was > > born in 1867, my grt grt grandparents fifth child. Their first child was > > born in 1860 and their last child was born in 1881. > > > > Unfortunately the first child dies at the age of 18 in 1878, (the last > > child > > being named after him three years later). However had he lived, he could > > well have been having children by the early 1880s. > > > > The tragedy in all this is that of the 10 children born over the twenty > > years, only 3 or 4 survived to adulthood. > > > > > > Regards > > Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael > > Shergold > > Sent: 21 April 2007 20:27 > > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > I am puzzled in that I now find myself in contact with Clare cousins > > younger than me) who are in fact true 2nd cousins of my grandfather. Is > > anyone aware of any studies that have been made into why this kind of > > generation slippage occurs. In my case it would seem to be because in > > Ireland there is a greater spread age difference between the oldest and > > the > > youngest sibling and that several males married wives younger (by 10 to >20 > > years) than them. > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 > > 11:56 AM > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:48:50 -0400 >From: "Ruth Brooks" <brooksruths@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <002401c7851f$a1ff9330$6501a8c0@RUTH3> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Diane, > >When we used to visit my husband's aunts, I would question them about their >parents who came over from Ireland (my interest in genealogy began with >notes scribbled on whatever bits of paper I happened to have with me at the >time). When I would ask them what they had been told about life in >Ireland, >reasons for leaving, trip over, etc., they would always say the same thing >"they didn't want to talk about it" so maybe it is an "Irish" thing. > >Ruth > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:59 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered > > > > Alanna, I found your comment about people who would not talk about >family > > history interesting as this has > > also been my experience and I'm wondering if it was just an "Irish" >thing, > > a > > generational problem, personalities, or what? > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:09:33 +0100 >From: "Gerry Moloney" <Gerry.Moloney@itcarlow.ie> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] County Clare Visit in August >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: > <FA5156BADB9E74459AE804115D737B82B41280@STAFFMAIL.itcarlow.ie> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I highly recommend East Clare Golf Village catering apartments in Bodyke. I >have just stayed there. Standards very high and units are less than a year >old. You will find them on the web. Ger Teefy is the manager. >Hope this helps. >Gerry > >'You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.' >Gerry Moloney (Lecturer) >Computing Dept., ITCarlow, Ireland. >Office: (059)9170455 >Mobile: (087)9184000 >Gerry.Moloney@itcarlow.ie > >________________________________ > >From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of JDBEsq@aol.com >Sent: Sun 22/04/2007 20:34 >To: IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] County Clare Visit in August > > > >My! My! What great timing >Kay--My wife and I are going to Dublin/Clare/Bodyke in October/November >thanks to the Aer Lingus sale. >It would really be great if after you return home if you could post some >trip >suggestions from hotels, B&B, pubs, research--anything that would be useful >for a fellow traveler and researcher. >Thanks in advance >Doug >Satellite Beach Fl > >Looking for O'Brien's(I know: you have more than enough to go around<grin>) >from Knockbrack in 1840s. > > >************************************** > See what's free >at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com/> . > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:35:14 -0400 >From: "Christine Bauman" <chris.bauman@insightbb.com> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <009001c78526$1d133d00$6601a8c0@Shadowfax> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I think it's an "immigrant" thing--my German ancestors didn't talk much >about it either . . . > >Christine >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ruth Brooks" <brooksruths@comcast.net> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered > > > > Hi Diane, > > > > When we used to visit my husband's aunts, I would question them about > > their > > parents who came over from Ireland (my interest in genealogy began with > > notes scribbled on whatever bits of paper I happened to have with me at > > the > > time). When I would ask them what they had been told about life in > > Ireland, > > reasons for leaving, trip over, etc., they would always say the same >thing > > "they didn't want to talk about it" so maybe it is an "Irish" thing. > > > > Ruth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane Apel" <dianeapel@comcast.net> > > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered > > > > > >> Alanna, I found your comment about people who would not talk about >family > >> history interesting as this has > >> also been my experience and I'm wondering if it was just an "Irish" > >> thing, > >> a > >> generational problem, personalities, or what? > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:09:57 -0400 >From: "Sharon Carberry" <smc.clare@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered >To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <1d2b5ed70704221609g63f019c5n10c243edc5d06854@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >O.K., Diane, you asked. My grandfather was the in the first generation of >U.S.-born, of adult age when his Clare-born grandmother >died (his own father was born in P.Q. as the first North American-born but >with an older sister born in Ireland). This is all that >was left for the generation of us doing family research in the 1990s: a >fern >plant bought by the Clare-born immigrant. No one >knew anything nor preserved anything for us, and the fern was not talking. >However, the cousins in Pennsylvania with the fern >plant knew just one detail from the oral "history" left them; it was right; >it led to records disclosing the actual Clare parish: >our great-grandfather was born in Montreal. It was up to me to travel up >there to get all the rest, when I was living in Washington >State at the time, a mere 3100 miles away. I managed to find all relevant >records on the microfilm and index cards, just before >the facility staff told me that my (well-behaved) children could no longer >wait in the hall for me. This is an tale of almost-misses >which nonetheless turned out well, but with very little oral history to >help. > >BTW the Penn. cousins knew nothing of our gggmother's younger Clare-born >sister who lived with her in a Philadelphia old-age home. >I am still searching for their younger brother, who could have either died >after the Dec 1849 eviction from their Clare home or emigrated >to Canada, U.S., or Australia. I am fairly sure he did not stay in Clare >(unless he was adopted). No one in the U.S. said anything about him or the >eviction, which seem like major events that would be passed along. > >Sharon Carberry >USA, with a new email address > > >On 4/22/07, Diane Apel <dianeapel@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Alanna, I found your comment about people who would not talk about >family > > history interesting as this has > > also been my experience and I'm wondering if it was just an "Irish" >thing, > > a > > generational problem, personalities, or what? > > > > When my oldest uncle was 87 I asked him some family history and he said >at > > age 10 my grandmother told him not to ask any more personal questions > > about > > her family, so he could not answer anything I asked him and she was long > > dead. My research did find quite a few skeltons in her closet, so >perhaps > > that was the problem. > > > > I spoke last week to an 80-something surviving family member I recently > > located in Quebec and he said he couldn't tell me much because his >father > > never would talk about his family when he asked questions (there were 16 > > children in it and other branches have the same problem). > > > > This has pretty much been my experience with anyone who would have been > > born > > before 1920. Was everyone mad at each other as appears to be the >problem > > in > > with my ancestors, or was it because families just didn't keep in touch > > because it was much more difficult than it is today? I'd be interested >to > > know what other researchers have encountered. > > > > Diane > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alanna Scanlon" <alannal@prodigy.net> > > To: "Irl-Clare-Proj" <IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:02 PM > > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > My mother's father was married twice. My mother was at the end of >the > > > second family. Her oldest 1/2 brother was 30 years older than my > > mother. > > > He had a daughter who was born within days of my mother. When they >were > > > in school together, they just said that they were cousins. > > > > > > I am the youngest of both sides of my family and everyone has died >off. > > > Everyone who knew anything either would not talk or was dead by the >time > > I > > > could ask questions. I remember starting to ask questions when I was >12 > > > and even then it was too late. > > > > > > Alanna > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:19:56 +0100 >From: "Michael Shergold" <michaelshergold@btconnect.com> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001901c7856f$709ba0e0$4001a8c0@novanew5> > >Thanks Bernice, Jayne, Bill and Allana and the others who replied to this >post.. It seems I am not alone in discovering this sort of situation. In >ths future, I guess, it will become much more common with so many second >and even third marriages creating even greater spans between the first and >last children with a particular surname. >Thanks to all >Michael > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bernice" <bshassett@fuse.net> >To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > When in County Clare a few years ago for vacation and research. We went > > to > > The Heritage Center at Corofin to see if they might have suggestions for > > locating my husband's grandfather's, James Hassett, actual date and >place > > of > > birth. > > We knew that he was born about 1860 in Clare and was one of several > > children. James' father, Daniel, cannot be accounted for after the >birth > > of > > a child in 1863. Daniel's wife (widow?) Bridget Culliney married again >in > > 1864 and they had a child born in 1877. We did not know of others. That > > step > > child was personally known to my mother-in-law, after his immigration to > > the > > U.S. > > With the history above, we were discouraged by the Center, because there > > was > > such a large span between 1st and last children and it was suggested >that > > we > > had mixed familes. We had the Ellis Island record that said Barefield > > for > > the step-child and we continued on our journey. > > The delightful canon at Barefield opened the books and we found the > > second > > marriage and an additional 6 step-children. My husband's family had no > > info > > that there were any other children in that 2nd marriage family and they > > only > > knew of one brother from the first marriage. > > Back in Kilrush we connected with my husband's Crotty descendents for >the > > first time. She was the grandmother who married the James Hassett > > without a > > birthdate or birthplace. > > Bernice Seeger Hassett > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <augeus@tiscali.co.uk> > > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > > >> Hi Michael > >> > >> The same has happened in my family. For instance my Great-Grandfather > >> was > >> born in 1867, my grt grt grandparents fifth child. Their first child >was > >> born in 1860 and their last child was born in 1881. > >> > >> Unfortunately the first child dies at the age of 18 in 1878, (the last > >> child > >> being named after him three years later). However had he lived, he >could > >> well have been having children by the early 1880s. > >> > >> The tragedy in all this is that of the 10 children born over the twenty > >> years, only 3 or 4 survived to adulthood. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael > >> Shergold > >> Sent: 21 April 2007 20:27 > >> To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > >> > >> I am puzzled in that I now find myself in contact with Clare cousins > >> younger than me) who are in fact true 2nd cousins of my grandfather. >Is > >> anyone aware of any studies that have been made into why this kind of > >> generation slippage occurs. In my case it would seem to be because in > >> Ireland there is a greater spread age difference between the oldest and > >> the > >> youngest sibling and that several males married wives younger (by 10 to > >> 20 > >> years) than them. > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: >4/21/2007 > >> 11:56 AM > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS list administrator, send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS mailing list, send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 46 >************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. 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This issue, I am sure is a true Irish one. My cousin and I have been searching for answers to numerous questions relating to our parents and the treatment meted out to them by their mother (our Irish grandmother). To this end we went to the State Archives in Brisbane, searched and searched and finally came across a couple of possibilities which could relate to the family. On attending at the desk and handing in our numbers for the files, we were told that "yes" the papers had been noted but they had been held in the Supreme Court's files and that's where they were when the building was burnt down in 1968. HaHa. Luck of the Irish......they took their secrets to the grave with them. I am finding that I was related to most of the people who lived around me as a child, although, obviously known to my mother, she never told me. Any information we glean is like "pure gold" to our information pool. Regards, Kay in Northern NSW where today is Anzac Day - Lest We Forget ----- Original Message ----- From: <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Questions unanswered >I don't think it was too hard to keep in touch. They just wrote letters to >each other. My Aunty always tells me what she remembers which isn't much >now & she's only 20yrs older than me. Her Aunty used to talk too before >she died but I wasn't doing this then was I. My brother has all her >papers in his garage but never 'gets around' to sending them to me, eh. >She was the last of my mum's family & should have all the documents. >Just wait till we get down there in Dec!!.... > And my dad's family ....well that's another story. > Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. > >

Hi List, Further to my post on the CANNY / RYALL's - I would like to post a question if I may to the list. Edward Canny RYALL (of Ennis) and Eleanor Elizabeth PHAYER (of Carbally) married on the 25th June 1857 The Marriage Certificate, which I have a copy of, indicates the Marriage took place as follows.. St Patricks Church, in the Parish of St Patrick in the County of Clare Married in the Parish Church of St Patrick according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland, by License St Patricks Church is located where? If I explore the Parish of St Patrick I can see it covers a fair area, I have tried to Googled for St Patricks Church Parish of St Patricks, but not really getting any direction to the location - my aim is to find the location and then maybe try and get a photo of the church... Does anyone have any thoughts on the location of St Patricks Church? Regards David Ourimbah, NSW, Australia.

Sharon, Thanks so much for your help! The earliest information I have for Michael Rohan, my gr gr grandfather, is his Co. Clare marriage in Parteen and the birth of children in Cratloe and Derrymore. There was not another ROHAN listed as a witness in these records which would have provided a clue about his parents/siblings and where he may have been before Parteen. Now with additional surname variations, I'm finding many Michaels, Martins, Patricks and Williams.........given names for many of Michael's decendants. For now, I'm putting Michael on the back burner while I research some of the other Clare people for clues and hopefully connections! Thanks again for this and all your help always! Judie Mason Chicago

Thanks Diane! You've added a few new variations to my list! Judie DLCulhane@cs.com wrote: Join the club indeed! To take just one example, my Galway grandmother's surname could be spelled Lohan, Loghan, Loughan, and Logan. Since most people were illiterate, when the priest recorded their names, the spelling often depended on what the name sounded like to him. MacLysaght shows Roan, Rowan, Rogan, Rohan, Roohan, Roughan, and Rowan, as well as Rouine, Rowine, Royan, Ruane, and Ruine. Says Roughan and Rohan most common in Clare, Rouine and Rowine in south Connacht. If a priest came from an area where the name was spelled differently, that's probably how he spelled it. Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Census of Population Introduction The first major census, using a household form, was the so-called Great Census of 1841. Censuses were subsequently taken at ten-year intervals up to 1911. The first census following the formation of the State was undertaken in 1926. This was followed by censuses in 1936 and 1946. Commencing with 1951, censuses have been taken every five years. The census planned for 1976 was cancelled at a late stage as a Government economy measure. However, the need for up-to-date population figures resulted in a census being specially undertaken in 1979 with a restricted number of questions. This was followed by a full census in 1981, and a resumption of the five-year interval for census taking. This five-year periodicity was broken in 2001 when the census planned for that year was postponed until April 2002 due to the outbreak of foot and mouth disease.

Judie, Unless other details rule out a spelling variation that you listed, include it - that's a productive rule of thumb. I hate having to consider Hare when doing Hehir research, but even if family members themselves did not use the spelling, they had no control over people making the records who might think that a more Anglicized spelling was suitable. BTW I just ran across Rohn for an Irish-born U.S. resident in the late 1800s. It is the string of soft-sounding letters in the middle that causes the variations. Plus if a German-heritage recordmaker was involved, the spelling might be more Germanic (I have documented Ness for Nash in Manitowoc Co. WI). However, the surnames with consonants result in just as many incorrect transcriptions when a record is handwriting. I now look at Carley to see if the particular family might actually be Carbery because I have documented writing which eliminated the last "hook" on the "b" so that it had the appearance of an "l." (As for Donnellan, I now routinely look for Doulan and Dowlin, although the latter more usually is Dowling, due to the ease of misreading the "n.") A few years ago I posted spelling variations for Carberry and I have found even more since then. Just yesterday I followed the same New Haven CT man born in Ireland noted in censuses as Corboy, Conloy, and in 1900 Coreboy. I believe this is the Anglicizing of Corbui, a line traced to Tipperary and perhaps split off of the Westmeath sept of Carberry. You may run across the Corboys now prominent lawyers in Chicago, descended from an immigrant who went into building construction and did well there. I wish any of them would become interested in their heritage, so that research would be done as to the exact origin of Corbui. The one surname that I have that is not so vulnerable to misspelling or misreading is Connell, also numerous in Derrymore. The problem with that one is just too many of them in any era. So, those are my thoughts. Sharon Carberry . On 4/23/07, Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> wrote: > > Hello Listers, > > I'm so confused! I know, welcome to the crowd, but maybe someone can > help with my confusion. > > As you can see from my previous posting, one of the Clare surnames I am > researching is ROHAN (spelled umpteen different ways). In browsing the > recently posted Tuber/Kilkeedy records at the County Clare Library site, I > see surnames ROAN and RUAN. In other records, I've also seen RUINE. Are > these all variations of the surname ROHAN/ROWAN/ROUGHAN? > > Not having any prior information for the MICHAEL ROHAN whose marriage is > listed below and with all the surname variations, is there any way a family > can be connected? > > Thanks for and research help any of you can provide. I keep gathering > names and get nowhere! > > Judie Mason > Chicago > > Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:37:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] DOLAN - ROHAN > > ROHAN*, Michael b. Ire. c. 1812 m.11/17/1832 parish of Parteen > DOLAN, Elizabeth b. Ire. c. 1812 > > * ROHAN is the spelling given me by Clare Heritage Centre. In Chicago it > was spelled Roughan, Rohen, Roghan etc. > > First child, Mary bap. 11/1833 in the parish of Cratloe. Baptismal records > for Martin, Patrick b. 11/1840, Bridgit, Eliza, John and Annie gives parents > residence as Derrymore. > > The entire family except Patrick came to Chicago IL between 1865 and 1874. > Patrick is my brick wall along with parents and siblings of Michael. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi This is my first post to the list, (Clare and Clare Projects) I have been watching for some time, and have noted the advise offered, and using this advise, I have reviewed the Archives, and in doing this found a entry from 2001, from another researcher which linked a new branch to my CANNY tree. We are currently exchanging research and expanding our collective trees. As this is my first Post - let me layout my research to date. *Michael CANNY* - The Stamp Controller for Ennis / Notary Public of Jail St Ennis d. 14 August 1817, Jail Street, Ennis, Co. Clare his Wife *Elizabeth CANNY*, *nee Bowler* d. 19 April 1820, Jail Street, Ennis, Co. Clare They had 4 children, that I know of, Anna Maria CANNY who married John Charles *RYALL* on the 24 July 1828 in Ennis (The Ryall connection I found in the Archives) Who had several children, one Edward Canny Ryall married into the Eleanor Elizabeth PHAYER, daughter of William PHAYER Henry CANNY who was the assistant Postmaster of Ennis, but was found guilty of Embezzlement and transported to Australia. I wrote off to the National Library of Ireland, and obtained copy of the Newspaper Article, the July Issue of the Clare Journal / Ennis Advertiser gives a complete transcript of his trial and sentence, which is a wealth of information. Eliza CANNY, who married a Lambert Woods on 22 November 1827, in Ennis, ELiza then travelled to Australia, freely, and remarried William Ker Macnish (Her death Certificate gave me the maiden name for her mother of Bowler) Then in Henry Canny's Will of 1855 (Died Sydney), he mentions a brother,not named, however I have been reviewing the Newspapers for the period and I notice a William CANNY who ran a Draper business in Ennis during the late 1820's, then I notice that in 1829 the business is run by John Charles RYALL, which perhaps links William Canny as a brother (not confirmed of course) I have obtained copies of Michael Canny's Administration from 1835, with Anna Maria RYALL, his daughter, as the administrator. And I have ordered copies of the 3 other CANNY wills (that have survived) from the Archives. The National Library of Australia, has the microfilm copy of the Clare Journal / Ennis Advertiser newspaper, (from 1828 onwards only) and I am currently working my way trough the newspaper looking for RYALL or CANNY entries. Eliza married Lambert in 1827, and remarried in Sydney 1836, she had 2 children from the first marriage, and they exist in the 1841 Australian Census. - I do not know what became of Lambert. This is a summary of what I have found thus far, from the archives, and the wonderful Clare Library site, and also from information that Declan Baron has posted. If anyone is also perhaps researching the CANNY family or RYALL family of Ennis I would be very interested in dialogue, and of course if any information exists on Michael CANNY, the current Head of the family - I would be most grateful. I am a direct descendant of the Henry CANNY who was transported to Australia, Henry's son changed the name to KENNY, which in itself is a long story. Regards David Kenny Ourimbah, NSW, Australia

I don't think it was too hard to keep in touch. They just wrote letters to each other. My Aunty always tells me what she remembers which isn't much now & she's only 20yrs older than me. Her Aunty used to talk too before she died but I wasn't doing this then was I. My brother has all her papers in his garage but never 'gets around' to sending them to me, eh. She was the last of my mum's family & should have all the documents. Just wait till we get down there in Dec!!.... And my dad's family ....well that's another story. Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. > Diane Apel <dianeapel@comcast.net> wrote: > > Alanna, I found your comment about people who would not talk about > family > history interesting as this has > also been my experience and I'm wondering if it was just an "Irish" > thing, a > generational problem, personalities, or what? > > When my oldest uncle was 87 I asked him some family history and he said > at > age 10 my grandmother told him not to ask any more personal questions > about > her family, so he could not answer anything I asked him and she was long > > dead. My research did find quite a few skeltons in her closet, so > perhaps > that was the problem. > > I spoke last week to an 80-something surviving family member I recently > located in Quebec and he said he couldn't tell me much because his > father > never would talk about his family when he asked questions (there were 16 > > children in it and other branches have the same problem). > > This has pretty much been my experience with anyone who would have been > born > before 1920. Was everyone mad at each other as appears to be the > problem in > with my ancestors, or was it because families just didn't keep in touch > because it was much more difficult than it is today? I'd be interested > to > know what other researchers have encountered. > > Diane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alanna Scanlon" <alannal@prodigy.net> > To: "Irl-Clare-Proj" <IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > My mother's father was married twice. My mother was at the end of > the > > second family. Her oldest 1/2 brother was 30 years older than my > mother. > > He had a daughter who was born within days of my mother. When they > were > > in school together, they just said that they were cousins. > > > > I am the youngest of both sides of my family and everyone has died > off. > > Everyone who knew anything either would not talk or was dead by the > time I > > could ask questions. I remember starting to ask questions when I was > 12 > > and even then it was too late. > > > > Alanna > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I've just started researching ancestors from County Clare, specifically Ennistimon, Patrick Healey m. Mary O'Connor abt 1855. Anyway for those of you researching descendants in Australia the Victoria BDM has a great site where you purchase copies of certificates on-line. Teresa -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne Foley Dwyer Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2007 11:44 PM To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Queensland BDM Indexes Aw, Ellen, don't be silly. I'm just a fixer of things. I don't even have any personal use for that database, but Kay was trying so hard to make it right, I just wanted to help her out! Kay, I thank you again for your contribution of this resource! Jeanne Ellen Crehan <ellencrehan@bigpond.com> wrote: Jeanne, You are an international wonderwoman. Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Foley Dwyer" To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Queensland BDM Indexes > Kay, > > Thanks so much for sharing this database with us, and I appreciate your > enthusiasm over the accessibility of yet another way to research our > ancestors to Australia. But I wanted to reply to say that the link as > you've posted isn't working. However, after a few guesses of what the > tail-end of that URL should be, I've come up with the following: > > http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/IndexSearch.htm > > Thanks, again, and happy hunting! > Jeanne > > kaynkev wrote: Sorry Everyone - > > Am having a bit of trouble here getting emails sorted - they went before I > checked everything. Please delete the previous ones. Below is the > correct information - > > The address for the online Queensland Births, Deaths and Marriages Index > is > > http://www.justice.qld.gov.au.bdm.IndexSearch > > And the address for online search of the Immigration Records 1884-1912 is > > http://www.archives.qld.gov.au.research/Index/Immigration > > Should turn up some Irish ancestors. > > Hope that is clear enough now. Once again, Sorry. I have been so excited > about these records > finally coming online - we've been promised them for ages. Finally!!!!! > > Best wishes, > Kay - in God's Own Country - Northern Rivers of New South Wales > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Join the club indeed! To take just one example, my Galway grandmother's surname could be spelled Lohan, Loghan, Loughan, and Logan. Since most people were illiterate, when the priest recorded their names, the spelling often depended on what the name sounded like to him. MacLysaght shows Roan, Rowan, Rogan, Rohan, Roohan, Roughan, and Rowan, as well as Rouine, Rowine, Royan, Ruane, and Ruine. Says Roughan and Rohan most common in Clare, Rouine and Rowine in south Connacht. If a priest came from an area where the name was spelled differently, that's probably how he spelled it. Diane </HTML>

Listers should go and take a look at the list of Claremen in the Royal Navy which has just been contributed by PJ Culligan to the Clare Library site at . http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/claremen_royal_n avy.htm . Lots of familiar names there. Paddy

Hello Listers, I'm so confused! I know, welcome to the crowd, but maybe someone can help with my confusion. As you can see from my previous posting, one of the Clare surnames I am researching is ROHAN (spelled umpteen different ways). In browsing the recently posted Tuber/Kilkeedy records at the County Clare Library site, I see surnames ROAN and RUAN. In other records, I've also seen RUINE. Are these all variations of the surname ROHAN/ROWAN/ROUGHAN? Not having any prior information for the MICHAEL ROHAN whose marriage is listed below and with all the surname variations, is there any way a family can be connected? Thanks for and research help any of you can provide. I keep gathering names and get nowhere! Judie Mason Chicago Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> wrote: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] DOLAN - ROHAN ROHAN*, Michael b. Ire. c. 1812 m.11/17/1832 parish of Parteen DOLAN, Elizabeth b. Ire. c. 1812 * ROHAN is the spelling given me by Clare Heritage Centre. In Chicago it was spelled Roughan, Rohen, Roghan etc. First child, Mary bap. 11/1833 in the parish of Cratloe. Baptismal records for Martin, Patrick b. 11/1840, Bridgit, Eliza, John and Annie gives parents residence as Derrymore. The entire family except Patrick came to Chicago IL between 1865 and 1874. Patrick is my brick wall along with parents and siblings of Michael.

Dear List, I, too, received the Silent Treatment or the "I do not know/remember" treatment. And yet from other comments, I know that they knew. Then the fact that my father left home at age 16 makes one think he did not remember. But he wrote to his brother in Ireland. In some of the letters that he saved from his brother, they show that he knew things or he could have asked his brother. One or two letters from his brother show that the brother now deceased tried to help me. My father did not think it was important to tell me. I know that he had a resentment towards his mother -- did she or he was the reason he left home? I know that there were other children who needed to eat. His two oldest sisters and the two brothers about his age all left for the states. The youngest never met them and was resentful toward the states because they took his siblings. With my mother there were things that I could never feel right about asking more questions. She would make a comment and leave it alone. I did not want to ask for more. After she was gone, I found that some of her siblings knew things about her and the family and talked among themselves and not to me. Now they are dead, too. Yes, it hurts that I was not trusted not to blame or criticize or think differently of the family with the information. But they are all gone now. Alanna

Dear List, I found a Scanlan, some Sheedy's, an O'Connor, but I do not think that they are mine. Even the first names of some are the same as mine, but I do not think they are mine due to the city and date. Thank you very much for being able to look at the list. Alanna

Thanks Bernice, Jayne, Bill and Allana and the others who replied to this post.. It seems I am not alone in discovering this sort of situation. In ths future, I guess, it will become much more common with so many second and even third marriages creating even greater spans between the first and last children with a particular surname. Thanks to all Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernice" <bshassett@fuse.net> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > When in County Clare a few years ago for vacation and research. We went > to > The Heritage Center at Corofin to see if they might have suggestions for > locating my husband's grandfather's, James Hassett, actual date and place > of > birth. > We knew that he was born about 1860 in Clare and was one of several > children. James' father, Daniel, cannot be accounted for after the birth > of > a child in 1863. Daniel's wife (widow?) Bridget Culliney married again in > 1864 and they had a child born in 1877. We did not know of others. That > step > child was personally known to my mother-in-law, after his immigration to > the > U.S. > With the history above, we were discouraged by the Center, because there > was > such a large span between 1st and last children and it was suggested that > we > had mixed familes. We had the Ellis Island record that said Barefield > for > the step-child and we continued on our journey. > The delightful canon at Barefield opened the books and we found the > second > marriage and an additional 6 step-children. My husband's family had no > info > that there were any other children in that 2nd marriage family and they > only > knew of one brother from the first marriage. > Back in Kilrush we connected with my husband's Crotty descendents for the > first time. She was the grandmother who married the James Hassett > without a > birthdate or birthplace. > Bernice Seeger Hassett > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <augeus@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. > > >> Hi Michael >> >> The same has happened in my family. For instance my Great-Grandfather >> was >> born in 1867, my grt grt grandparents fifth child. Their first child was >> born in 1860 and their last child was born in 1881. >> >> Unfortunately the first child dies at the age of 18 in 1878, (the last >> child >> being named after him three years later). However had he lived, he could >> well have been having children by the early 1880s. >> >> The tragedy in all this is that of the 10 children born over the twenty >> years, only 3 or 4 survived to adulthood. >> >> >> Regards >> Bill >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Shergold >> Sent: 21 April 2007 20:27 >> To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Unaligned generations question. >> >> I am puzzled in that I now find myself in contact with Clare cousins >> younger than me) who are in fact true 2nd cousins of my grandfather. Is >> anyone aware of any studies that have been made into why this kind of >> generation slippage occurs. In my case it would seem to be because in >> Ireland there is a greater spread age difference between the oldest and >> the >> youngest sibling and that several males married wives younger (by 10 to >> 20 >> years) than them. >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 >> 11:56 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >