Alanna, your inquiry was: Do you know of a land lord "some what" near Cappanagerrah? ...My father talked about walking a cow home and he was not happy with that cow... Anyway, he might have had to go to the landlord to get her. Either he or someone else said that the landlord really liked my gfather and gave him title to the land. My kin were there since say the late 1700's or early 1800's. I am guessing that the handling over of the title would have been sometime from 1864 when he was born to 1921. My father said that there were old towers all over the area. I do not remember if he said that the landlord lived in a "castle" or not." The Landowners list, popularly attributed to 1875, lists these Scanlans as owning property at Cappanageragh, Ballynacally: Bartholomew 9 acres James 30 acres There are at least 5 other men owning similar acreage on that townland, according to the same list: Michael Brown 79 acres Denis Hinchy 14 acres John King 67 acres Patrick McMahon 15 acres Thomas Maloney 76 acres I doubt that any of them were the involved landlord, but, if you really want to the answer and are willing to spend some time on it, then you can research what any of those men had to say about their property or, as I indicated before, just order into your local FHC the right film with the Registry of Deeds indexing for this townland. There is a way to get to the answer but it takes work on your part and, yes, some expense on gas and film rental. I do not know whether you have consulted this Landowners list previously, as you did not mention it when setting out your inquiry, but it has been available on the Internet for over five years. My copy is a photocopy made many years ago from a Porland, Maine library book which I obtained (for free) via interlibrary loan. There are some basic materials, in addition to basic knowledge, which can be kept on hand and prove useful time and time again. Having gone over some other of my hard-copy materials (still have not unzipped my computer files), I see that the major landlords in this area in the early to mid 1800s included Stackpoole and Ross-Lewin, the latter of whom is listed in the Landowners list with his Clondegad residence called Ross Hill being shown as in Killadysert, which seems strange to me. Sharon C. On 4/28/07, Alanna Scanlon <alannal@prodigy.net> wrote: > > Sharon, > > The year 1864 -- date that my gfather was born. His own father was dead > by 1900 when my grandfather was married. Some place I said my gfather was > married in 1901. The census shows that gfather was married and his own > father deceased. His first child was born in 1901. [It is bad to have huge > age gaps between the generations!] > > Sad to say, my father did not always tell the truth, so the story might > not be true. I spoke to his brother once and Bernie could have been the one > to tell me. Since Bernie died about 1984, that was a long time ago. If > Bernie was the one, I'd believe him. With my father, I do not know. Bernie > had just had a phone line run to the farm. > > I have not been able to go to a LDS library for a long time. It is far > away and through terrible traffic. Yes, I could go to a local one, but it > does not have the files the far away one has. > > Thank you for telling me. > > Alanna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the compliment on my memory, which indeed at one point was photographic in quality but time has taken its toll. Now, onto the families with peripheral significance in your family history. Verling is the spelling more usual in Co. Cork, which is the likely origin of the Verlins who resided in Clare (Google for Mary Mullins' description of the first O'Callaghan to be exiled to Clare, with some associated families). I am checking into some Verlins in the U.S. cenuses and will report if I find anything of note. However, as to the relevant Fitzgerald in this time period, you may want to consider either this gentleman or his father: Fitzgerald, Jas. Foster V., address: Moyriesk, Quin 1,047 acres listed in Return of Owners of Land... for which the year may be either 1875 or 1871 [I am not satisfied that anyone has pinned it down yet] This was a major propertied family in SW Ireland, so it is not surprising that there is also a listing for: Fitzgerald, Wm. Foster Vesy Derrybrick, Kilmihill 3581 acres There are other listings for family members in Dublin and London, all typical for landed gentry of that era. Hope that adds to the overall picture. Thanks for keeping us informed as things develop. Sharon C. On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: > > > You must have an amazing associative memory, Sharon, to connect the Thomas > Verlin of Kilkishen to my family. > > In the baptismal records of our family in 2Q of the 19th century various > Verlins pop up as sponsors* but I have never definitively located that > family. It was my assumption that because several different Verlins are > listed as sponsors it would most likely be a family living in the vicinity > of mine, i.e. near the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of > Kilkeedy. In the GV there is a Judith Verling in Rinecaha and there is a > John Verling in Derrylumman, both places being within walking distance of > Shanballysallagh. > > Regarding the Vesey-Fitzgerald connection, I have come to the tentative > conclusion that my GGF's landlord might have been William, Lord Fitzgerald > and Vesci, born 1783, who lived in Lahardan House in the parish of > Inchicronan very near my GGF's home. Lahardan House was burned down a few > years prior to 1820 and the family then went to live in Moyriesk House > (which I have not yet located, but the name 'riesk', which means a marshy > area covered with rushes, tantalisingly suggests that it may have been in > the plain of the Moyrhee river, i.e. also near my GGF's home which abuts > directly on the riesk of that river). > > But now your Kilkishen connection is giving me food for thought. > > Thanks for making this association. > > Paddy > > > * Denis Howard was married to Mary Ryan (the Ryan's also figured among the > sponsors of the children to Michael Casey and Honor Howard). This couple > resided at Shanballysallagh, where they were recorded having the following > family:- > > BRIDGET baptised 1838, sponsors John Verlin & Honora Keating > > KATE baptised 1841, sponsors Michael & Anne Ryan > > HONOR baptised 1842, sponsors Thomas Verlin & Bridget Sullivan > > PATRICK baptised 1844, sponsors John Ryan & Jane Verlin > > >From the above you will note that Honor was born in 1842. Her brother > Patrick born 1844, inherited the farm from his father Denis, this Patrick > married Catherine McCaul, and the Tubber Parish Register records the > following children to the couple:- > > MARY baptised 3-6-1871, sponsors John & Nora Quilivan > > DENIS baptised 19-5-1872, sponsors David Verlin & Susan Ryan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon > Carberry > Sent: 27 April 2007 21:13 > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C > surnames,Bunratty barony > > > > Well, not so fast on the discounting, because, having now read through > your > website > listed on the Clare Past forum, you mention Thomas Verlin in your > northern > Clare/southern > Galway area. He is likely (same time period) the same Thomas Verlin who > appears in the > Kilkishen area in the GV. Just as I am taking more and more note of the > names appearing > in Kilrush east to Newmarket and finding the Studderts as landlords in all > of those areas, I know > that you are looking at instances of Vesey-Fitzgerald. So, consider this: > > Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin > Barony of Bunratty > #882-428 1828-1832 time period > Backfield and Classduff [Gortadroma and Clashduff, which are basically > Kilkishen] > Lord Devesci by deed of trust > > That is from the notes I made. > > Sharon C. > > > > On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks very much for this, Sharon. One of our bits of family lore about > > the > > origins of the Tubber Caseys says that they came from Lisduff but I've > > tended to discount that because Lisduff is so far away. There is a Casey > > in > > your list, albeit a Stephen Casey, which is not one of our family > > forenames. > > > > I'm looking forward to other listers contributing transcriptions to the > > Clare Library site. The process could unearth a lot of interesting > > material, > > some of which may have been languishing in drawers for lack of knowledge > > as > > to how to put it online. > > > > Paddy > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Seconded... David Ourimbah, NSW Margaret OCallaghan wrote: >Thank you Sharon for your most generous effort transcribing the extracts >of all "C" surnames from the Freeholders Registry Books, Barony of >Bunratty 1824. We benefit from your many hours of labour. > >Margaret O'Callaghan > >* >* > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks, Larry. Declan just flagged it to me too. I grovel in shame at not having checked this myself. I was locked in the groundless/mindless assumption that the name Moyriesk House was derived from a landscape feature and it didn't occur to me that it could be a townland and hence easily locatable with the Library search facilities that we use daily. I wanted to get my brain serviced this month but it seems that they no longer have the replacement parts for my early model. I must check out the flea markets. Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Brennan Sent: 28 April 2007 11:42 To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C surnames,Bunratty barony Paddy, Page 203 & 204 0f Houses of Clare give the details of Moyriesk, House Quin. Associate families: Mcnamara, Sampson, O'Callaghan, Fitzgerald, Vesey-Fitzgerald, Foster-Vesey-Fitzgerald, O'Brien, Crowe. Moyriesk House located in Moyriesk (Doora). Located N.of Ennis road, 3Km NNW of Quin. If you want complete details come back to me. Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C surnames,Bunratty barony > > You must have an amazing associative memory, Sharon, to connect the Thomas > Verlin of Kilkishen to my family. > > In the baptismal records of our family in 2Q of the 19th century various > Verlins pop up as sponsors* but I have never definitively located that > family. It was my assumption that because several different Verlins are > listed as sponsors it would most likely be a family living in the vicinity > of mine, i.e. near the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of > Kilkeedy. In the GV there is a Judith Verling in Rinecaha and there is a > John Verling in Derrylumman, both places being within walking distance of > Shanballysallagh. > > Regarding the Vesey-Fitzgerald connection, I have come to the tentative > conclusion that my GGF's landlord might have been William, Lord Fitzgerald > and Vesci, born 1783, who lived in Lahardan House in the parish of > Inchicronan very near my GGF's home. Lahardan House was burned down a few > years prior to 1820 and the family then went to live in Moyriesk House > (which I have not yet located, but the name 'riesk', which means a marshy > area covered with rushes, tantalisingly suggests that it may have been in > the plain of the Moyrhee river, i.e. also near my GGF's home which abuts > directly on the riesk of that river). > > But now your Kilkishen connection is giving me food for thought. > > Thanks for making this association. > > Paddy > > > * Denis Howard was married to Mary Ryan (the Ryan's also figured among the > sponsors of the children to Michael Casey and Honor Howard). This couple > resided at Shanballysallagh, where they were recorded having the following > family:- > > BRIDGET baptised 1838, sponsors John Verlin & Honora Keating > > KATE baptised 1841, sponsors Michael & Anne Ryan > > HONOR baptised 1842, sponsors Thomas Verlin & Bridget Sullivan > > PATRICK baptised 1844, sponsors John Ryan & Jane Verlin > >>From the above you will note that Honor was born in 1842. Her brother > Patrick born 1844, inherited the farm from his father Denis, this Patrick > married Catherine McCaul, and the Tubber Parish Register records the > following children to the couple:- > > MARY baptised 3-6-1871, sponsors John & Nora Quilivan > > DENIS baptised 19-5-1872, sponsors David Verlin & Susan Ryan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon > Carberry > Sent: 27 April 2007 21:13 > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C > surnames,Bunratty barony > > > > Well, not so fast on the discounting, because, having now read through > your > website > listed on the Clare Past forum, you mention Thomas Verlin in your > northern > Clare/southern > Galway area. He is likely (same time period) the same Thomas Verlin who > appears in the > Kilkishen area in the GV. Just as I am taking more and more note of the > names appearing > in Kilrush east to Newmarket and finding the Studderts as landlords in all > of those areas, I know > that you are looking at instances of Vesey-Fitzgerald. So, consider this: > > Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin > Barony of Bunratty > #882-428 1828-1832 time period > Backfield and Classduff [Gortadroma and Clashduff, which are basically > Kilkishen] > Lord Devesci by deed of trust > > That is from the notes I made. > > Sharon C. > > > > On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks very much for this, Sharon. One of our bits of family lore about >> the >> origins of the Tubber Caseys says that they came from Lisduff but I've >> tended to discount that because Lisduff is so far away. There is a Casey >> in >> your list, albeit a Stephen Casey, which is not one of our family >> forenames. >> >> I'm looking forward to other listers contributing transcriptions to the >> Clare Library site. The process could unearth a lot of interesting >> material, >> some of which may have been languishing in drawers for lack of knowledge >> as >> to how to put it online. >> >> Paddy >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Sharon for your most generous effort transcribing the extracts of all "C" surnames from the Freeholders Registry Books, Barony of Bunratty 1824. We benefit from your many hours of labour. Margaret O'Callaghan * *

Paddy, Page 203 & 204 0f Houses of Clare give the details of Moyriesk, House Quin. Associate families: Mcnamara, Sampson, O'Callaghan, Fitzgerald, Vesey-Fitzgerald, Foster-Vesey-Fitzgerald, O'Brien, Crowe. Moyriesk House located in Moyriesk (Doora). Located N.of Ennis road, 3Km NNW of Quin. If you want complete details come back to me. Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C surnames,Bunratty barony > > You must have an amazing associative memory, Sharon, to connect the Thomas > Verlin of Kilkishen to my family. > > In the baptismal records of our family in 2Q of the 19th century various > Verlins pop up as sponsors* but I have never definitively located that > family. It was my assumption that because several different Verlins are > listed as sponsors it would most likely be a family living in the vicinity > of mine, i.e. near the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of > Kilkeedy. In the GV there is a Judith Verling in Rinecaha and there is a > John Verling in Derrylumman, both places being within walking distance of > Shanballysallagh. > > Regarding the Vesey-Fitzgerald connection, I have come to the tentative > conclusion that my GGF's landlord might have been William, Lord Fitzgerald > and Vesci, born 1783, who lived in Lahardan House in the parish of > Inchicronan very near my GGF's home. Lahardan House was burned down a few > years prior to 1820 and the family then went to live in Moyriesk House > (which I have not yet located, but the name 'riesk', which means a marshy > area covered with rushes, tantalisingly suggests that it may have been in > the plain of the Moyrhee river, i.e. also near my GGF's home which abuts > directly on the riesk of that river). > > But now your Kilkishen connection is giving me food for thought. > > Thanks for making this association. > > Paddy > > > * Denis Howard was married to Mary Ryan (the Ryan's also figured among the > sponsors of the children to Michael Casey and Honor Howard). This couple > resided at Shanballysallagh, where they were recorded having the following > family:- > > BRIDGET baptised 1838, sponsors John Verlin & Honora Keating > > KATE baptised 1841, sponsors Michael & Anne Ryan > > HONOR baptised 1842, sponsors Thomas Verlin & Bridget Sullivan > > PATRICK baptised 1844, sponsors John Ryan & Jane Verlin > >>From the above you will note that Honor was born in 1842. Her brother > Patrick born 1844, inherited the farm from his father Denis, this Patrick > married Catherine McCaul, and the Tubber Parish Register records the > following children to the couple:- > > MARY baptised 3-6-1871, sponsors John & Nora Quilivan > > DENIS baptised 19-5-1872, sponsors David Verlin & Susan Ryan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon > Carberry > Sent: 27 April 2007 21:13 > To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C > surnames,Bunratty barony > > > > Well, not so fast on the discounting, because, having now read through > your > website > listed on the Clare Past forum, you mention Thomas Verlin in your > northern > Clare/southern > Galway area. He is likely (same time period) the same Thomas Verlin who > appears in the > Kilkishen area in the GV. Just as I am taking more and more note of the > names appearing > in Kilrush east to Newmarket and finding the Studderts as landlords in all > of those areas, I know > that you are looking at instances of Vesey-Fitzgerald. So, consider this: > > Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin > Barony of Bunratty > #882-428 1828-1832 time period > Backfield and Classduff [Gortadroma and Clashduff, which are basically > Kilkishen] > Lord Devesci by deed of trust > > That is from the notes I made. > > Sharon C. > > > > On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks very much for this, Sharon. One of our bits of family lore about >> the >> origins of the Tubber Caseys says that they came from Lisduff but I've >> tended to discount that because Lisduff is so far away. There is a Casey >> in >> your list, albeit a Stephen Casey, which is not one of our family >> forenames. >> >> I'm looking forward to other listers contributing transcriptions to the >> Clare Library site. The process could unearth a lot of interesting >> material, >> some of which may have been languishing in drawers for lack of knowledge >> as >> to how to put it online. >> >> Paddy >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sharon, The year 1864 -- date that my gfather was born. His own father was dead by 1900 when my grandfather was married. Some place I said my gfather was married in 1901. The census shows that gfather was married and his own father deceased. His first child was born in 1901. [It is bad to have huge age gaps between the generations!] Sad to say, my father did not always tell the truth, so the story might not be true. I spoke to his brother once and Bernie could have been the one to tell me. Since Bernie died about 1984, that was a long time ago. If Bernie was the one, I'd believe him. With my father, I do not know. Bernie had just had a phone line run to the farm. I have not been able to go to a LDS library for a long time. It is far away and through terrible traffic. Yes, I could go to a local one, but it does not have the files the far away one has. Thank you for telling me. Alanna

Alanna, That's an intriguing inquiry, which I shall work on as soon as I unzip and sort the computer files now transferred from my old computer. I have a file for "estate related" items, into which I place those placenames when shown as associated with a particular one of the landed gentry. I will try to do that tomorrow, as a special outdoor project is getting done today. BTW, what exactly do you mean when the title was handed over in 1864 ? Deeds(and many leases) are well organized and indexed at the Registry of Deeds (Henrietta St., Dublin) , with one index arranged by placename in a county and the other set by individual's surname. The LDS has filmed all that, although the films are a huge number due to the span of time starting in the early 1700s. Sharon C. On 4/27/07, Alanna Scanlon <alannal@prodigy.net> wrote: > > Dear List, > > First want to thank the person who emailed my about my Off Topic > request. Giant help and may have saved some lives because of what I was able > to do thanks to her. I may never know myself the help that I was able to > do. > > Ok, Patrick and Sharon, on to you. Do you know of a land lord "some > what" near Cappanagerrah? My father would not talk about his childhood, as > I have said. Once in a blue moon, he'd give a scrap away. My father talked > about walking a cow home and he was not happy with that cow. [He should > have had one of my German Shepherds to help him, as one of mine is tops in > so doing and loves her stock.] Anyway, he might have had to go to the > landlord to get her. Either he or someone else said that the landlord > really liked my gfather and gave him title to the land. My kin were there > since say the late 1700's or early 1800's. I am guessing that the handling > over of the title would have been sometime from 1864 when he was born to > 1921. My father said that there were old towers all over the area. I do > not remember if he said that the landlord lived in a "castle" or not. > > Any knowledge?? landlord, special living place?? > > Thanks. > > Alanna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Merely the latest in a long line of such efforts by those you know and those who remain silent. That's the genesis for this list, because all of us out there have something to contribute to make available more data, whether the individual contribution is typing, traveling to research sources, sharing computer advice, or expressing appreciation. Sharon C. On 4/28/07, Margaret OCallaghan <ocallaghanm@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Thank you Sharon for your most generous effort transcribing the extracts > of all "C" surnames from the Freeholders Registry Books, Barony of > Bunratty 1824. We benefit from your many hours of labour. > > Margaret O'Callaghan > > * > * > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You must have an amazing associative memory, Sharon, to connect the Thomas Verlin of Kilkishen to my family. In the baptismal records of our family in 2Q of the 19th century various Verlins pop up as sponsors* but I have never definitively located that family. It was my assumption that because several different Verlins are listed as sponsors it would most likely be a family living in the vicinity of mine, i.e. near the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of Kilkeedy. In the GV there is a Judith Verling in Rinecaha and there is a John Verling in Derrylumman, both places being within walking distance of Shanballysallagh. Regarding the Vesey-Fitzgerald connection, I have come to the tentative conclusion that my GGF's landlord might have been William, Lord Fitzgerald and Vesci, born 1783, who lived in Lahardan House in the parish of Inchicronan very near my GGF's home. Lahardan House was burned down a few years prior to 1820 and the family then went to live in Moyriesk House (which I have not yet located, but the name 'riesk', which means a marshy area covered with rushes, tantalisingly suggests that it may have been in the plain of the Moyrhee river, i.e. also near my GGF's home which abuts directly on the riesk of that river). But now your Kilkishen connection is giving me food for thought. Thanks for making this association. Paddy * Denis Howard was married to Mary Ryan (the Ryan's also figured among the sponsors of the children to Michael Casey and Honor Howard). This couple resided at Shanballysallagh, where they were recorded having the following family:- BRIDGET baptised 1838, sponsors John Verlin & Honora Keating KATE baptised 1841, sponsors Michael & Anne Ryan HONOR baptised 1842, sponsors Thomas Verlin & Bridget Sullivan PATRICK baptised 1844, sponsors John Ryan & Jane Verlin >From the above you will note that Honor was born in 1842. Her brother Patrick born 1844, inherited the farm from his father Denis, this Patrick married Catherine McCaul, and the Tubber Parish Register records the following children to the couple:- MARY baptised 3-6-1871, sponsors John & Nora Quilivan DENIS baptised 19-5-1872, sponsors David Verlin & Susan Ryan -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry Sent: 27 April 2007 21:13 To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C surnames,Bunratty barony Well, not so fast on the discounting, because, having now read through your website listed on the Clare Past forum, you mention Thomas Verlin in your northern Clare/southern Galway area. He is likely (same time period) the same Thomas Verlin who appears in the Kilkishen area in the GV. Just as I am taking more and more note of the names appearing in Kilrush east to Newmarket and finding the Studderts as landlords in all of those areas, I know that you are looking at instances of Vesey-Fitzgerald. So, consider this: Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin Barony of Bunratty #882-428 1828-1832 time period Backfield and Classduff [Gortadroma and Clashduff, which are basically Kilkishen] Lord Devesci by deed of trust That is from the notes I made. Sharon C. On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: > > Thanks very much for this, Sharon. One of our bits of family lore about > the > origins of the Tubber Caseys says that they came from Lisduff but I've > tended to discount that because Lisduff is so far away. There is a Casey > in > your list, albeit a Stephen Casey, which is not one of our family > forenames. > > I'm looking forward to other listers contributing transcriptions to the > Clare Library site. The process could unearth a lot of interesting > material, > some of which may have been languishing in drawers for lack of knowledge > as > to how to put it online. > > Paddy > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much, Sharon! I hope you know all your work is appreciated. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Carberry" <smc.clare@gmail.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C surnames,Bunratty barony > My transcription of the 1824 register of "C" surnames in the Barony of > Bunratty is now online at: > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/freeholders_bunratty_c_1824.htm

Thanks very much for this, Sharon. One of our bits of family lore about the origins of the Tubber Caseys says that they came from Lisduff but I've tended to discount that because Lisduff is so far away. There is a Casey in your list, albeit a Stephen Casey, which is not one of our family forenames. I'm looking forward to other listers contributing transcriptions to the Clare Library site. The process could unearth a lot of interesting material, some of which may have been languishing in drawers for lack of knowledge as to how to put it online. Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry Sent: 27 April 2007 16:20 To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] 1824 Freeholders Register, C surnames,Bunratty barony My transcription of the 1824 register of "C" surnames in the Barony of Bunratty is now online at: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/freeholders_bunr atty_c_1824.htm I hope this is a good way to thank everyone who offered advice on how to transfer mycomputer files (of which this was one) over to my new computer. I did use the Xdrive upload-and-download method, which was sufficiently swift and easy that I could finish the C spreadsheet, sent last evening to the Clare Library. Maureen Comber just emailed me that it is now online. This is the largest of the surnames which I transcribed for that year, but I do have some additional surnames to do. I kept the spellings just as I had in my notes, which were done in pencil back in 1998 or 2004 (can't remember which trip), per the requirements of the Archives. Pencil does not permit my best writing. I did see a "Marham" which is undoubtedly Markham but I kept it the way the records had it. I think all the surnames are very recognizable, although the placenames are another matter. In any case, comparing the men in this database to the ones listed at the same places just one/two years later in the Tithe Applotment may yield some interesting results. Sharon Carberry USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

....and definitely don't miss http://www.newparkhouse.com/ Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Declan Barron Sent: 27 April 2007 18:04 To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] FW: IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS Digest, Vol 1,Issue 46 Here are some sites that might help when visiting Co. Clare http://www.shannonregiontourism.ie/content.asp?id=27 http://www.burrenbeo.com http://www.burrenforts.ie/ http://www.shannonheritage.com http://www.irishfarmholidays.com http://www.burrenlife.com http://www.visitennis.ie http://www.ireland.com/travel/counties/clare_t.htm Declan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are some sites that might help when visiting Co. Clare http://www.shannonregiontourism.ie/content.asp?id=27 http://www.burrenbeo.com http://www.burrenforts.ie/ http://www.shannonheritage.com http://www.irishfarmholidays.com http://www.burrenlife.com http://www.visitennis.ie http://www.ireland.com/travel/counties/clare_t.htm Declan

Dear List, First want to thank the person who emailed my about my Off Topic request. Giant help and may have saved some lives because of what I was able to do thanks to her. I may never know myself the help that I was able to do. Ok, Patrick and Sharon, on to you. Do you know of a land lord "some what" near Cappanagerrah? My father would not talk about his childhood, as I have said. Once in a blue moon, he'd give a scrap away. My father talked about walking a cow home and he was not happy with that cow. [He should have had one of my German Shepherds to help him, as one of mine is tops in so doing and loves her stock.] Anyway, he might have had to go to the landlord to get her. Either he or someone else said that the landlord really liked my gfather and gave him title to the land. My kin were there since say the late 1700's or early 1800's. I am guessing that the handling over of the title would have been sometime from 1864 when he was born to 1921. My father said that there were old towers all over the area. I do not remember if he said that the landlord lived in a "castle" or not. Any knowledge?? landlord, special living place?? Thanks. Alanna

Well, not so fast on the discounting, because, having now read through your website listed on the Clare Past forum, you mention Thomas Verlin in your northern Clare/southern Galway area. He is likely (same time period) the same Thomas Verlin who appears in the Kilkishen area in the GV. Just as I am taking more and more note of the names appearing in Kilrush east to Newmarket and finding the Studderts as landlords in all of those areas, I know that you are looking at instances of Vesey-Fitzgerald. So, consider this: Registry of Deeds, Henrietta St, Dublin Barony of Bunratty #882-428 1828-1832 time period Backfield and Classduff [Gortadroma and Clashduff, which are basically Kilkishen] Lord Devesci by deed of trust That is from the notes I made. Sharon C. On 4/27/07, Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> wrote: > > Thanks very much for this, Sharon. One of our bits of family lore about > the > origins of the Tubber Caseys says that they came from Lisduff but I've > tended to discount that because Lisduff is so far away. There is a Casey > in > your list, albeit a Stephen Casey, which is not one of our family > forenames. > > I'm looking forward to other listers contributing transcriptions to the > Clare Library site. The process could unearth a lot of interesting > material, > some of which may have been languishing in drawers for lack of knowledge > as > to how to put it online. > > Paddy > > > >

My transcription of the 1824 register of "C" surnames in the Barony of Bunratty is now online at: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/freeholders_bunratty_c_1824.htm I hope this is a good way to thank everyone who offered advice on how to transfer mycomputer files (of which this was one) over to my new computer. I did use the Xdrive upload-and-download method, which was sufficiently swift and easy that I could finish the C spreadsheet, sent last evening to the Clare Library. Maureen Comber just emailed me that it is now online. This is the largest of the surnames which I transcribed for that year, but I do have some additional surnames to do. I kept the spellings just as I had in my notes, which were done in pencil back in 1998 or 2004 (can't remember which trip), per the requirements of the Archives. Pencil does not permit my best writing. I did see a "Marham" which is undoubtedly Markham but I kept it the way the records had it. I think all the surnames are very recognizable, although the placenames are another matter. In any case, comparing the men in this database to the ones listed at the same places just one/two years later in the Tithe Applotment may yield some interesting results. Sharon Carberry USA

Even though this does not apply to me, thank you for doing this. Alanna

Hi Danny, I believe that St. patricks is in Upper Bunratty Barony. Try a Search at The County Clare Library Site Ireland Website at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/ and it will take you to a lot of genealogy stuff. Kind regards Carolyn Markham. P.S. I am searching for my husbands great great grandparents burial site. John Joseph Markham and Mary Markham nee Sullivan. If you come across Markhams of Clooney, Quin please let me know. CM. Bondi AUS -----Original Message----- From: David Kenny [mailto:dakenny@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 2:52 PM To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] CANNY / RYALL Marriage Location Hi List, Further to my post on the CANNY / RYALL's - I would like to post a question if I may to the list. Edward Canny RYALL (of Ennis) and Eleanor Elizabeth PHAYER (of Carbally) married on the 25th June 1857 The Marriage Certificate, which I have a copy of, indicates the Marriage took place as follows.. St Patricks Church, in the Parish of St Patrick in the County of Clare Married in the Parish Church of St Patrick according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland, by License St Patricks Church is located where? If I explore the Parish of St Patrick I can see it covers a fair area, I have tried to Googled for St Patricks Church Parish of St Patricks, but not really getting any direction to the location - my aim is to find the location and then maybe try and get a photo of the church... Does anyone have any thoughts on the location of St Patricks Church? Regards David Ourimbah, NSW, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi and thank you for the hints :o)) I'm hoping to visit the U.K. in the next couple of years and plan to make a trip to Ireland & County Clare to try to work out how my g.grandmother came to Australia post famine Ireland. All these hints make for a better planned journey, so thank you again! Eliz in Oz. Researching Catherine GORMAN b. 1827, dau of Hugh & Honora GORMAN of Fossa Beg, parish of Tomgraney, Scarrif, County Clare. PROJECTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 46 > We took the ferry from Wales to Rosslaire, Ireland. the ferry runs once > mid > day and then again at night. It takes a few hours. We were on the night > ferry and most people slept in the chairs, although there is a sleeping > area > (for an additional fee). >>From Rosslaire (east coast) to Kilkee (west coast), it takes about 5 hours > each way if you drive. Being from California, the roundabouts took some > getting used to. > In Kilkee, we stayed at Lynch'e B & B and it was very nice and moderately > priced and the food was very good. I would certainly stay there again. It > also was right across the street from the library which was helpful as I > needed internet access. > Ireland was wonderful and beautiful (also cold, rainy, and windy).