For anyone who might be researching John & Bridget (nee Feeney) Doherty or John J. and Bridget/Delia (nee O'Brien) Dougherty here in Chicago, please contact me for more information. I don't know where the Doherty's originated in Ireland before coming to Chicago via Pennsylvania. John J. Dougherty may have been from Belfast and Bridget/Delia was from Newtown, Co. Tipperary..........just a short distance from Co. Clare. Judie Mason Chicago Ann W <annw659@cableone.net> wrote: Hi, Chris, Good reminder! I've found a couple of married relatives by looking for the unmarried ones. For example: My gggrandparents( John and Bridget Doherty) had five known children. Three girls, two boys. One of the girls, Ellen A. (Nellie) Doherty became my ggrandmother. Her mother, Bridget Doherty, lived with Nellie and her husband, Patrick Howe in Boston for several years, as did another of the Doherty girls, Margaret. Margaret never married, and left the Howe household sometime after 1880. By looking for Margaret in 1900, I found her living with another sister, Roseanna, (Rose) whom I'd never been able to find, because I did not know her married name. The two of them were living with one of Rose's married daughters.

Sharon, You are more than welcome! There were more Carberry records at St. James, but I didn't think to jot them down. I'm hoping to get back to the archdiocese archives with in the next week to view more St. James records along with Holy Family..............I'll keep an eye open for Peter & Thomas. Judie Mason Chicago sharon carberry <smc85p@yahoo.com> wrote: Good one, Judie. I did not have that baptism but I am familiar with the family, as the descendants in California have posted about it in the past. That's William the police officer. This baptism now corrects the 1880 census, which shows the eldest child James as age 5, and then Mary together with Lizzie both age 3. I will post the baptism on the Carberry YahooGroup so that this documentation can become known. As you peruse Chicago-area records, please be on the look out for any Carberry record with Peter or Thomas. I have figured out that Thomas the florist was not the one in my family. Thank you ! Sharon C. Georgia Judith Mason wrote: For Sharon, Found this record at St. James Church here in Chicago and thought of you............ Carberry, Mary E. baptised 7/17/1875 daughter of William Carberry and Catherine Cahil sponsers: Patrick Moloney and Mary Hamlin FYI, St. James Church parish church was founded c. 1855 with the current church building dating to 1875/80. Judie Mason Chicago ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone,This is my first contact since I signed up to this group,and it is a request for information.I am looking for the record of a marriage of John Mannix and Ann Clune,it probably dates from 1820/23,possibly earlier, I believe they had a son John who was born in 1824 in the parish of Quin & Clooney,but marrige records only start there in 1835,where did people in the area marry before then?I am also hoping to find the baptismal record of my gt.grandfather Martin Mannix about 1828/32.Any information will be most gratefully received. Regards to all Bernard Mannix

Good one, Judie. I did not have that baptism but I am familiar with the family, as the descendants in California have posted about it in the past. That's William the police officer. This baptism now corrects the 1880 census, which shows the eldest child James as age 5, and then Mary together with Lizzie both age 3. I will post the baptism on the Carberry YahooGroup so that this documentation can become known. As you peruse Chicago-area records, please be on the look out for any Carberry record with Peter or Thomas. I have figured out that Thomas the florist was not the one in my family. Thank you ! Sharon C. Georgia Judith Mason <judith.mason@ameritech.net> wrote: For Sharon, Found this record at St. James Church here in Chicago and thought of you............ Carberry, Mary E. baptised 7/17/1875 daughter of William Carberry and Catherine Cahil sponsers: Patrick Moloney and Mary Hamlin FYI, St. James Church parish church was founded c. 1855 with the current church building dating to 1875/80. Judie Mason Chicago ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

For Sharon, Found this record at St. James Church here in Chicago and thought of you............ Carberry, Mary E. baptised 7/17/1875 daughter of William Carberry and Catherine Cahil sponsers: Patrick Moloney and Mary Hamlin FYI, St. James Church parish church was founded c. 1855 with the current church building dating to 1875/80. Judie Mason Chicago

No - my family is from West Clare. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon carberry Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:36 PM To: IRL-Clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] McInerney of East Clare, reply to Dan Dan, Sorry for not replying faster, but I was caught up with a reply to an earlier posting. I am interested in McInerney of East Clare who went to ONT, in the sense that I keep my eye on all E. Clare emigrants. With my recent shift onto a new computer, I have not cleaned up the computer file which has my saved material on a photo of the mid-1800s found in Holyoke, Mass. which indicates that a Clare-type surnamed family there had a connection to an Ontario, Can. family of the same name. I am fairly sure that the surname was not McInerney, but the maintaining of close connections between U.S. and Canadian immigrants, particularly across such a long distance, is definitely an subject which I want to document. Thanks for asking. Sharon Carberry danialw@execulink.com wrote: Are you interested in McInerney family that was here in Ontario, which could be part of this family? Dan Walker --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sharon What I am after is when you transcribed the Registry with Surnames for Bunratty area, headings are Freeholders and Landlords and tenures. We would be grateful if you know what the difference is between the Freeholders and the Landlords and the Tenures. We think that the Landlord leases to the Freeholders and the Tenants rent it from the Freeholders. Is this your take on the headings. Many thanks for details on the books we will look them up. Family is doing research on John Joseph Markham but cannot find his birth or death date and its frustrating at least your transcriptions showed he was a real live person in l824. Kind regards Carolyn Markham -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Water King Plumbing Services Pty Ltd Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 1:08 PM To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Surnames D, E,F in 1824 freeholders records for Bunratty area Dear Sharon, Thank you for all your dedicated work. I have found my ancestors John Markham on this Freeholders registry. But can you advise me the difference between Freeholder then Landlord this is puzzling to a number of researchers. Many thanks and kind regards Carolyn Markham. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon carberry Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 9:22 PM To: IRL-Clare-Projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Surnames D, E,F in 1824 freeholders records for Bunratty area I am pleased to say that the Clare Library has now placed online the second (and unfortunately last) installment of my transcriptions from the National Archives (Dublin) original records of the freeholders of the Bunratty district who registered in 1824. Here is the link: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/regs/freeholders _bunratty_def_1824.htm posted by Sharon Carberry USA --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn, Now I understand what your thought process is. Do not confuse "tenure" with "tenant." Tenure referred to the length of time that a lease endured, in much the same way that we now use tenure in the school setting when we say that someone has tenure and so will not be bumped out of a teaching position. You will notice that the really affluent in the Freeholders Registry have no one listed in the "Names of Lives or Other Tenure" column, because they held land free and clear ("in fee simple" as it is called in the legal world), a rare event in Ireland of that time. As you will read in one of the suggested guidebooks, Ireland had a longtime and deeply-embedded system of land leases, with the very top landholders being often absentee, in London, India, or even Jamaica. A common feature of this leasehold system was that a man held his land during the lives of those named in the lease, so a wise man tried to have some young and healthy people named, the more the better. That last comment is my own take on this, so you would do well to read up on this subject in one of the books, if this aspect is critical for your research. Now, you will notice that your John Markham is listed only twice in the transcribed sections, both times for the same placename - Clonneen, and that placename is not mentioned in connection with any one beyond Markham, Cunningham, and Fogerty. That to me would indicate close relationships among these families. The Cunninghams became split between Australia and the U.S., with the Aussie end searching for a James Cunningham in, I think, Illinois. I know nothing about the Fogerty surname, as this list is what first showed me that surname in Clare. However, in my other transcriptions (which I just checked without success for any other Markham entry) from the National Archives, I did find this for the Cunninghams in Bunratty: Source: Ejectment Books - Peace Office [later called Crown and Peace Office] National Archives 1D-40-16 1816 - Apr 1824 10 Apr 1822 lands of Rosslevan, 18 acres, Barony of Bunratty, lately held by Richard HICKMAN Robert FLEMING vs. Pierse O'BRIEN, eldest son of Francis O'Brien, Esq. dec'd, Harriett PERRY, widow of Thos. Molony, Thos. BENNIS, Francis CARRIGG, Michl. CARTY, Thomas ROCHFORD, James MCNAMARA, John LILLIS, Edmond DIVINY, Thos. CONWAY, Patk. GARVEY, Honor TOURNEY, John CUNNINGHAM, Patk MCNAMARA, Mary CUNNINGHAM, Danl. ROUGHAN, Danl. CLOHESSY, Mich O'CONNOR, & John PERRY. Having transcribed an entire folder of these ejectment suits in that time period, I saw that filing of the suit does not mean that an actual ejectment was ordered. There were frequent notations that cases were dismissed and times when I saw a later suit filed against some of the men named in an earlier one. This legal activity kept the lawyers of the day in business. I am in the middle of an effort on behalf of descendants of the named Thomas Bennis (who emigrated to Philadelphia, the same as my ancestors) to regain possession of a bible of their ancestor's American-born son who became a music teacher in a Georgia school. So, I know that there was at least one Protestant family involved in that 1822 suit, and I think it is likely that at least the first three named defendants were Protestant, for what that is worth in researching this group further. Naming well-heeled defendants likely meant that the suit was vigorously defended. You will notice that a Michael Fleming is listed in the Freeholders of 1824 as being a tenant of a O'Callaghan, indeed one of the landed gentry in East Clare. The Freeholders list also has the intriguing name of a Marquis Cunyngham and then the naming of Augustine Butler for the land with which your John Markham was involved as a named life. All these landlords will appear in numerous other records and published family pedigrees, and some will have will abstracts and estate records that are accessible. Welcome to the wonderful world of pre-1830 Ireland, with its tantalizing clues for particular individuals, all too often in records that are not online and in remote repositories. However general family information may come up in using the books online via Google, and, if your library has a subscription to Heritage Quest, to its digitized books. As for your Markhams, I assume you know about the massive Markham family website, and I hope that you have on hand by now photocopies of the Rosemary folliott biographical notices for that surname in SW Ireland. Well, that exhausts my thoughts on this for the time being. Sharon Carberry Georgia USA Water King Plumbing Services Pty Ltd <carolyn@waterking.com.au> wrote: Dear Sharon What I am after is when you transcribed the Registry with Surnames for Bunratty area, headings are Freeholders and Landlords and tenures. We would be grateful if you know what the difference is between the Freeholders and the Landlords and the Tenures. We think that the Landlord leases to the Freeholders and the Tenants rent it from the Freeholders. Is this your take on the headings. Many thanks for details on the books we will look them up. Family is doing research on John Joseph Markham but cannot find his birth or death date and its frustrating at least your transcriptions showed he was a real live person in l824. Kind regards Carolyn Markham --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.

Dan, Sorry for not replying faster, but I was caught up with a reply to an earlier posting. I am interested in McInerney of East Clare who went to ONT, in the sense that I keep my eye on all E. Clare emigrants. With my recent shift onto a new computer, I have not cleaned up the computer file which has my saved material on a photo of the mid-1800s found in Holyoke, Mass. which indicates that a Clare-type surnamed family there had a connection to an Ontario, Can. family of the same name. I am fairly sure that the surname was not McInerney, but the maintaining of close connections between U.S. and Canadian immigrants, particularly across such a long distance, is definitely an subject which I want to document. Thanks for asking. Sharon Carberry danialw@execulink.com wrote: Are you interested in McInerney family that was here in Ontario, which could be part of this family? Dan Walker --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Dan, Sorry for not replying faster, but I was caught up with a reply to an earlier posting. I am interested in McInerney of East Clare who went to ONT, in the sense that I keep my eye on all E. Clare emigrants. With my recent shift onto a new computer, I have not cleaned up the computer file which has my saved material on a photo of the mid-1800s found in Holyoke, Mass. which indicates that a Clare-type surnamed family there had a connection to an Ontario, Can. family of the same name. I am fairly sure that the surname was not McInerney, but the maintaining of close connections between U.S. and Canadian immigrants, particularly across such a long distance, is definitely an subject which I want to document. Thanks for asking. Sharon Carberry danialw@execulink.com wrote: Are you interested in McInerney family that was here in Ontario, which could be part of this family? Dan Walker > Before I lose the ship arrival info which I happened on a few days ago, I > will > post what I have on this Cherry of the Cratloe area. Due to his > advancement in > the priesthood, further research on him should be a matter of contacting > the > Brooklyn diocese's archivist. > > I have not tried doing more on incoming Cherry individuals on the Ellis > Island > website. I just did a few minutes' quick culling of online info on this > person. > I was actually doing ship searching on an entirely different surname, but > Clare people often traveled together, plus my eyes are conditioned to find > Clare in a list of words. In this case, the very skimpy ship info of the > Castle > Garden records (which ended in 1891/92, when Ellis Island opened) is > supplemented by a relative's arriving when ship arrival records were much > more > detailed. > > Sharon Carberry > USA > > > 27 Oct 1919 > passenger: Kathleen McInerney age 19 > going to uncle Rev. Father Cherry, St. Michael's Rectory, 42nd St, > Brooklyn > passenger's father: John McInerney, Ralahine South, Sixmilebridge, > Co.Clare > > > 1900 NY Kings County, 26th Ward, Brooklyn, 1657 St. Mark;s Ave. > CHERRY, Patrick age 32 b. Dec 1868 Ire RC clergyman, assistant > immigrated 1891, naturalized > > Located on the North shore of Long Island (just beyond Brooklyn): > "In 1900, Bishop McDonald of Brooklyn, convinced the Catholics in the > area could support a parish of their own, instituted the Parish of St. > Peter of Alcantra. In July 1901, Fr. Patrick Cherry became the first > pastor." > http://www.stpeterofalcantara.org/index.htm > > 1910 NY Queens County, 1st Ward, Greenpoint Ave. [the Irish district > neighboring Brooklyn to the north, along the shore of Long Island] > CHERRY > Patrick J. age 42 b. Ire RC clergyman > sister Nellie age 36 b. NY [error ?] parents: b. Ire > Rectory housekeeper, single > > year 2007 info: > St. Michaels' RC Church tel. 718-768-6065 > 352 42nd St., Brooklyn NY > > 1920 NY Kings County, Brooklyn, 353-354 42nd St. > CHERRY, Patrick J. age 50 b. Ire > paster, church img'd 1890, nat'd 1896 > ward: Nellie Cherry 40 PA [error] pars: Ire housekeeper, single > > > "3 July 1931 REQUIEM MASS FINAL TRIBUTE OF BORO PRIEST > > Clergy of Diocese at Funeral of Father QUINN > Clergy and parishioners today paid final tribute to the Rev. Thomas J. > > QUINN, pastor of the Church of St. Francis De Sales, Belle Harbor... > > The Rt. Rev. Mgr. Patrick J. CHERRY was the celebrant..." > http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Newspaper/BSU/1931.Death.July.html > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today!http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > hot CTA = Join our Network Research Panel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

Carolyn, Now I understand what your thought process is. Do not confuse "tenure" with "tenant." Tenure referred to the length of time that a lease endured, in much the same way that we now use tenure in the school setting when we say that someone has tenure and so will not be bumped out of a teaching position. You will notice that the really affluent in the Freeholders Registry have no one listed in the "Names of Lives or Other Tenure" column, because they held land free and clear ("in fee simple" as it is called in the legal world), a rare event in Ireland of that time. As you will read in one of the suggested guidebooks, Ireland had a longtime and deeply-embedded system of land leases, with the very top landholders being often absentee, in London, India, or even Jamaica. A common feature of this leasehold system was that a man held his land during the lives of those named in the lease, so a wise man tried to have some young and healthy people named, the more the better. That last comment is my own take on this, so you would do well to read up on this subject in one of the books, if this aspect is critical for your research. Now, you will notice that your John Markham is listed only twice in the transcribed sections, both times for the same placename - Clonneen, and that placename is not mentioned in connection with any one beyond Markham, Cunningham, and Fogerty. That to me would indicate close relationships among these families. I don't know where you live, but I do know that the Cunninghams became split between Australia and the U.S., with the Aussie end searching for a James Cunningham in, I think, Illinois. I know nothing about the Fogerty surname, as this list is what first showed me that surname in Clare. However, in my other transcriptions (which I just checked without success for any other Markham entry) from the National Archives, I did find this for the Cunninghams in Bunratty: Source: Ejectment Books - Peace Office [later called Crown and Peace Office] National Archives 1D-40-16 1816 - Apr 1824 10 Apr 1822 lands of Rosslevan, 18 acres, Barony of Bunratty, lately held by Richard HICKMAN Robert FLEMING vs. Pierse O'BRIEN, eldest son of Francis O'Brien, Esq. dec'd, Harriett PERRY, widow of Thos. Molony, Thos. BENNIS, Francis CARRIGG, Michl. CARTY, Thomas ROCHFORD, James MCNAMARA, John LILLIS, Edmond DIVINY, Thos. CONWAY, Patk. GARVEY, Honor TOURNEY, John CUNNINGHAM, Patk MCNAMARA, Mary CUNNINGHAM, Danl. ROUGHAN, Danl. CLOHESSY, Mich O'CONNOR, & John PERRY. Having transcribed an entire folder of these ejectment suits in that time period, I saw that filing of the suit does not mean that an actual ejectment was ordered. There were frequent notations that cases were dismissed and times when I saw a later suit filed against some of the men named in an earlier one. This legal activity kept the lawyers of the day in business. I am in the middle of an effort on behalf of descendants of the named Thomas Bennis (who emigrated to Philadelphia, the same as my ancestors) to regain possession of a bible of their ancestor's American-born son who became a music teacher in a Georgia school. So, I know that there was at least one Protestant family involved in that 1822 suit, and I think it is likely that at least the first three named defendants were Protestant, for what that is worth in researching this group further. Naming well-heeled defendants likely meant that the suit was vigorously defended. You will notice that a Michael Fleming is listed in the Freeholders of 1824 as being a tenant of a O'Callaghan, indeed one of the landed gentry in East Clare. The Freeholders list also has the intriguing name of a Marquis Cunyngham and then the naming of Augustine Butler for the land with which your John Markham was involved as a named life. All these landlords will appear in numerous other records and published family pedigrees, and some will have will abstracts and estate records that are accessible. Welcome to the wonderful world of pre-1830 Ireland, with its tantalizing clues for particular individuals, all too often in records that are not online and in remote repositories. However general family information may come up in using the books online via Google, and, if your library has a subscription to Heritage Quest, to its digitized books. As for your Markhams, I assume you know about the massive Markham family website, and I hope that you have on hand by now photocopies of the Rosemary folliott biographical notices for that surname in SW Ireland. Well, that exhausts my thoughts on this for the time being. Sharon Carberry Georgia USA Water King Plumbing Services Pty Ltd <carolyn@waterking.com.au> wrote: Dear Sharon What I am after is when you transcribed the Registry with Surnames for Bunratty area, headings are Freeholders and Landlords and tenures. We would be grateful if you know what the difference is between the Freeholders and the Landlords and the Tenures. We think that the Landlord leases to the Freeholders and the Tenants rent it from the Freeholders. Is this your take on the headings. Many thanks for details on the books we will look them up. Family is doing research on John Joseph Markham but cannot find his birth or death date and its frustrating at least your transcriptions showed he was a real live person in l824. Kind regards Carolyn Markham -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Water King Plumbing Services Pty Ltd Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2007 1:08 PM To: irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Surnames D, E,F in 1824 freeholders records for Bunratty area Dear Sharon, Thank you for all your dedicated work. I have found my ancestors John Markham on this Freeholders registry. But can you advise me the difference between Freeholder then Landlord this is puzzling to a number of researchers. Many thanks and kind regards Carolyn Markham. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon carberry Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 9:22 PM To: IRL-Clare-Projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Surnames D, E,F in 1824 freeholders records for Bunratty area I am pleased to say that the Clare Library has now placed online the second (and unfortunately last) installment of my transcriptions from the National Archives (Dublin) original records of the freeholders of the Bunratty district who registered in 1824. Here is the link: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/regs/freeholders _bunratty_def_1824.htm posted by Sharon Carberry USA --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

Are you interested in McInerney family that was here in Ontario, which could be part of this family? Dan Walker > Before I lose the ship arrival info which I happened on a few days ago, I > will > post what I have on this Cherry of the Cratloe area. Due to his > advancement in > the priesthood, further research on him should be a matter of contacting > the > Brooklyn diocese's archivist. > > I have not tried doing more on incoming Cherry individuals on the Ellis > Island > website. I just did a few minutes' quick culling of online info on this > person. > I was actually doing ship searching on an entirely different surname, but > Clare people often traveled together, plus my eyes are conditioned to find > Clare in a list of words. In this case, the very skimpy ship info of the > Castle > Garden records (which ended in 1891/92, when Ellis Island opened) is > supplemented by a relative's arriving when ship arrival records were much > more > detailed. > > Sharon Carberry > USA > > > 27 Oct 1919 > passenger: Kathleen McInerney age 19 > going to uncle Rev. Father Cherry, St. Michael's Rectory, 42nd St, > Brooklyn > passenger's father: John McInerney, Ralahine South, Sixmilebridge, > Co.Clare > > > 1900 NY Kings County, 26th Ward, Brooklyn, 1657 St. Mark;s Ave. > CHERRY, Patrick age 32 b. Dec 1868 Ire RC clergyman, assistant > immigrated 1891, naturalized > > Located on the North shore of Long Island (just beyond Brooklyn): > "In 1900, Bishop McDonald of Brooklyn, convinced the Catholics in the > area could support a parish of their own, instituted the Parish of St. > Peter of Alcantra. In July 1901, Fr. Patrick Cherry became the first > pastor." > http://www.stpeterofalcantara.org/index.htm > > 1910 NY Queens County, 1st Ward, Greenpoint Ave. [the Irish district > neighboring Brooklyn to the north, along the shore of Long Island] > CHERRY > Patrick J. age 42 b. Ire RC clergyman > sister Nellie age 36 b. NY [error ?] parents: b. Ire > Rectory housekeeper, single > > year 2007 info: > St. Michaels' RC Church tel. 718-768-6065 > 352 42nd St., Brooklyn NY > > 1920 NY Kings County, Brooklyn, 353-354 42nd St. > CHERRY, Patrick J. age 50 b. Ire > paster, church img'd 1890, nat'd 1896 > ward: Nellie Cherry 40 PA [error] pars: Ire housekeeper, single > > > "3 July 1931 REQUIEM MASS FINAL TRIBUTE OF BORO PRIEST > > Clergy of Diocese at Funeral of Father QUINN > Clergy and parishioners today paid final tribute to the Rev. Thomas J. > > QUINN, pastor of the Church of St. Francis De Sales, Belle Harbor... > > The Rt. Rev. Mgr. Patrick J. CHERRY was the celebrant..." > http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Newspaper/BSU/1931.Death.July.html > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today!http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > hot CTA = Join our Network Research Panel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/

G'day Chris, All that you have presented is all too true. And the same goes for publishing your genealogical finds. Putting them on the 'Net in a Web Site will only last as long as someone is prepared to pay for and maintain the site. That of course assumes that the location of the Web Site does not crash and lose all your good work, in the meantime. Put it on CD, or even DVD, these days, and it is only good as long as there are machines that can read those disks. And that is changing almost as often as we change our underwear. But they are still reading books that are over 1000 years old. So put everything that you want to keep for any length of time, onto the good old paper - acid free, of course. When I was working, I was given the job of advising another Government Department (I was a public servant) on what they should do with a set of tapes with seismic information on them, that is was estimated would cost them $64 million dollars to do the work to replace the information, if it was lost. They were losing machines that could read some of the tapes, in Australia, and had to send them off to England to retrieve the information. My solution was to transfer the information to tapes that were of a more recent vintage from more modern computers, at a cost of about $400,000. They rejected that option and I have no idea what they finished up doing with those tapes. As that was about 20 years ago, I have little doubt that the information has been lost, by now. But it is a good example of making sure that your valuable information is stored on the most durable medium possible. Keep well and happy, as I am. Happy Hunting ;-) Rfer & Hue Chris Goopy wrote: >Hi all, > >I don't know if others subscribe to Dead Fred's Relatively Speaking >newsletter, but there are often some very interesting tips. > >Without comment, I post a couple below... accept them or not as you will. > >Chris > > >http://www.deadfred.com/newsletter_05.php?volume=7&issue=5#6 > >3. The shortest pencil is better than the longest memory. >They say a photograph is worth a thousand words, but look in your own >family photo collection and you'll find plenty of photographs with > > <snip>

Orphans, cheap labour and a brave new world JIM GILCHRIST THE OLDEST of them was 18, the youngest six, and they watched their homeland recede in their wake as the Hibernian steamed down the Firth of Clyde, en route for Halifax, Nova Scotia. It was 19 March 1891, and the 129 boys on board were orphans, from Quarriers homes - established in Renfrewshire less than 20 years before - making the 2,650-mile Atlantic crossing to Canada in the hope of a better life than they might otherwise find in Scotland. One can scarcely imagine what the feelings of these orphans, particularly the younger ones, must have been as they headed for the open sea and an unknown future, but their names and ages can still be seen, entered neatly in the ship's passenger list, with "Quarriers party" written tellingly on the first of the three pages. Between 1871 and 1938, an incredible 7,000 "home children" of both sexes were dispatched to Canada by Quarriers alone. Other orphanages, such as Barnardo's, or the Middlemore Homes in England, also sent children to Canada, as well as to other colonial outposts such as Australia. And now it is possible for descendants and other researchers to trace these individuals online, through what is being hailed as the first comprehensive database of passenger ships leaving Britain for destinations such as North America, Australia, India and Africa between 1890 and 1960 (more on site) http://heritage.scotsman.com/genealogy.cfm?id=178782007 Chris

Hi all, I don't know if others subscribe to Dead Fred's Relatively Speaking newsletter, but there are often some very interesting tips. Without comment, I post a couple below... accept them or not as you will. Chris http://www.deadfred.com/newsletter_05.php?volume=7&issue=5#6 3. The shortest pencil is better than the longest memory. They say a photograph is worth a thousand words, but look in your own family photo collection and you'll find plenty of photographs with little to say. (more on site) 4. Digital is more fragile than you think. Magnetic media (floppy disks and digital tape) begin to fail in 5 to 10 years. The most generous estimates give them about 30 years. Optically etched media (burned with a laser like a cd-rom or dvd), begin to degrade within 5 to 15 years. And that's not counting scratches. In the word of digital, there is no equivalent of shoving your photos in a shoebox and stashing them in a closet. No, sir. If you want to bring your digital photos with you into the future, you will have to migrate them to new storage devices every 3-5 years. You'll also have to save them in the newest version of the software that turns the 1's and 0's into your vacation snapshots. Quick solution? Scan your prints and print your digitals. Print out any image that you can't stand to lose. Upload it to your favorite photo processing store. Make lots of copies of your favorite digitals and spread them around. 5. Rescue your photos from the Chemical Sandwich of Doom. Those sticky magnetic photo albums that used to be so popular are just about the worst place you can put a photograph. Acidic cardboard covered in stripes of acidic glue on the back, smothered in a vinyl sheet that is so chemically volatile it stinks. Oy. Fortunately, this is one of the few hands-on conservation projects that's easy enough for non-experts to tackle successfully. The key ingredient is a microspatula, which you can find in various archival catalogs and dental supply stores. (more on site)

Before I lose the ship arrival info which I happened on a few days ago, I will post what I have on this Cherry of the Cratloe area. Due to his advancement in the priesthood, further research on him should be a matter of contacting the Brooklyn diocese's archivist. I have not tried doing more on incoming Cherry individuals on the Ellis Island website. I just did a few minutes' quick culling of online info on this person. I was actually doing ship searching on an entirely different surname, but Clare people often traveled together, plus my eyes are conditioned to find Clare in a list of words. In this case, the very skimpy ship info of the Castle Garden records (which ended in 1891/92, when Ellis Island opened) is supplemented by a relative's arriving when ship arrival records were much more detailed. Sharon Carberry USA 27 Oct 1919 passenger: Kathleen McInerney age 19 going to uncle Rev. Father Cherry, St. Michael's Rectory, 42nd St, Brooklyn passenger's father: John McInerney, Ralahine South, Sixmilebridge, Co.Clare 1900 NY Kings County, 26th Ward, Brooklyn, 1657 St. Mark;s Ave. CHERRY, Patrick age 32 b. Dec 1868 Ire RC clergyman, assistant immigrated 1891, naturalized Located on the North shore of Long Island (just beyond Brooklyn): "In 1900, Bishop McDonald of Brooklyn, convinced the Catholics in the area could support a parish of their own, instituted the Parish of St. Peter of Alcantra. In July 1901, Fr. Patrick Cherry became the first pastor." http://www.stpeterofalcantara.org/index.htm 1910 NY Queens County, 1st Ward, Greenpoint Ave. [the Irish district neighboring Brooklyn to the north, along the shore of Long Island] CHERRY Patrick J. age 42 b. Ire RC clergyman sister Nellie age 36 b. NY [error ?] parents: b. Ire Rectory housekeeper, single year 2007 info: St. Michaels' RC Church tel. 718-768-6065 352 42nd St., Brooklyn NY 1920 NY Kings County, Brooklyn, 353-354 42nd St. CHERRY, Patrick J. age 50 b. Ire paster, church img'd 1890, nat'd 1896 ward: Nellie Cherry 40 PA [error] pars: Ire housekeeper, single "3 July 1931 REQUIEM MASS FINAL TRIBUTE OF BORO PRIEST Clergy of Diocese at Funeral of Father QUINN Clergy and parishioners today paid final tribute to the Rev. Thomas J. QUINN, pastor of the Church of St. Francis De Sales, Belle Harbor... The Rt. Rev. Mgr. Patrick J. CHERRY was the celebrant..." http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Newspaper/BSU/1931.Death.July.html Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 hot CTA = Join our Network Research Panel

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Hi, Carolyn, After reading your question, I decided to search the answer myself. You can do it for yourself, too, if you go to www.clarelibrary.ie , click on GENEALOGY, then scroll down in that long list of savory databases the Clare Library has given us, looking for 1841 Applicants to the Registry of Freeholders. You'll find a very good description of what a freeholder was, as compared to a landlord. Good luck! Jeanne Water King Plumbing Services Pty Ltd <carolyn@waterking.com.au> wrote: Dear Sharon, Thank you for all your dedicated work. I have found my ancestors John Markham on this Freeholders registry. But can you advise me the difference between Freeholder then Landlord this is puzzling to a number of researchers. Many thanks and kind regards Carolyn Markham. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon carberry Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 9:22 PM To: IRL-Clare-Projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Surnames D, E,F in 1824 freeholders records for Bunratty area I am pleased to say that the Clare Library has now placed online the second (and unfortunately last) installment of my transcriptions from the National Archives (Dublin) original records of the freeholders of the Bunratty district who registered in 1824. Here is the link: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/regs/freeholders _bunratty_def_1824.htm posted by Sharon Carberry USA --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.

sorry, link doesn't work. cheers. Anne. > Water King Plumbing Services Pty Ltd <carolyn@waterking.com.au> wrote: > > Dear Sharon, Thank you for all your dedicated work. I have found my > ancestors John Markham on this Freeholders registry. But can you advise > me > the difference between Freeholder then Landlord this is puzzling to a > number > of researchers. Many thanks and kind regards Carolyn Markham. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon > carberry > Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 9:22 PM > To: IRL-Clare-Projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Surnames D, E,F in 1824 freeholders > records > for Bunratty area > > I am pleased to say that the Clare Library has now placed online the > second > (and unfortunately last) installment of my transcriptions from the > National > Archives (Dublin) original records of the freeholders of the Bunratty > district who registered in 1824. Here is the link: > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/regs/freehold > ers > _bunratty_def_1824.htm > > posted by > Sharon Carberry USA > > > --------------------------------- > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! > TV. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sharon, Thank you for all your dedicated work. I have found my ancestors John Markham on this Freeholders registry. But can you advise me the difference between Freeholder then Landlord this is puzzling to a number of researchers. Many thanks and kind regards Carolyn Markham. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon carberry Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 9:22 PM To: IRL-Clare-Projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Surnames D, E,F in 1824 freeholders records for Bunratty area I am pleased to say that the Clare Library has now placed online the second (and unfortunately last) installment of my transcriptions from the National Archives (Dublin) original records of the freeholders of the Bunratty district who registered in 1824. Here is the link: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/regs/freeholders _bunratty_def_1824.htm posted by Sharon Carberry USA --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message