Dear Chris, Thank you for this advice......it is really awful to think that anyone could be so despicable. It certainly puts a damper on "goodwill" Cheers anyway, Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Goopy" <cgoopy@optusnet.com.au> To: <undisclosed-recipients:> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Protect your research and privacy > > > > > My fellow researchers... > > I would just like to remind all who decide to help others with their > research to be careful. > > Don't trust others to guard your family information as you do. > > Don't share Gedcoms without totally editing them, to remove all > reference to living people or those who would rather not have their > family members details on the net. > > Don't believe others when they say they will remove it first, or they > will only keep this information for personal use. > > I wish I had taken notice of my own advice, and not tried so hard to > help someone that I did trust that person. I was totally dismayed to be > searching through our biggest family history site and discover so many > of my living relatives named in full. Sharing with the aim of helping, > had given this person an open invitation to simply add all my details to > their work, if any of it is. I don't care less about credit for > research, as I have been very grateful for all the help that I have > received along the way, and I have willingly shared all I have found. I > do care that requests had been made to have names removed... and they > hadn't been. > > The whole tree has now been removed. It will be interesting to see if an > edited version now appears. > > I blame myself for being gullible. By posting this, I hope others will > be more cautious than I was. > > Chris > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This boat, the Phoenix, has been the project of a succession of owners, which has taken it from the time of Francis Spaight to the current day. Enjoy. http://iwn.iwai.ie/v26i2/phoenix.html Sharon Carberry USA --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Hi, We have recently had a bit of a breakthrough in our Clare research and found out the origins of the Perry family of Liscannor. It's the first time I've used DNA as a research tool and it has been particularly succesful so I thought other researchers might like to hear about it! My furthest back male ancestor on the Perry side of the family was Edward Perry. We have a death certificate for him, which states that he died in Liscannor in 1888 aged 75 years. His children were christened between 1846 and 1865 in Liscannor Parish Church. Their mother is Eliza Coffey, who died in 1865 aged 42 years and whose ancestors had lived in Liscannor for a few generations. There is no marriage record for Edward and Eliza as the parish registers do not go back far enough. There are no other Perrys in the Liscannor registers, so I always had a feeling that they came from elsewhere. The only evidence I had for Edward's origins were that his approximate year of birth was 1813 (from his death cert), he was born in Ireland (some of his children emigrated to America and this is recorded in the census returns) and that godparents to 2 of his children are a John and Susan Perry. His eldest male and female child were also called John and Susan Perry, so I thought it was possible (and maybe likely) that his parents were named John and Susan. On familysearch I found an entry for an Edward Perry, born 1822 in Kilboy, Tipperary, whose parents were John and Susan. After contacting another researcher, I discovered that this John and Susan had 10 children and Edward was the eldest. They married in 1815 so the date of 1822 for Edward's birth could have been an error (it was a submitted entry). John died in 1872 and only left a shilling to his eldest son, Edward. The other 9 children had all been traced bot no-one ever knew what happened to Edward. So we had a theory, but no proof that the Edward that turned up in Liscannor was the same Edward that was born in Kilboy. A while ago we joined the Perry-dna test and we recently had a match (25/25) with a descendant of the above John's brother Richard! So now we know that the Perry family in Liscannor were originally from Kilboy in Tipperary. What on earth brought Edward to the west coast of Ireland in the late 1830s/early 1840s I suppose we will never know, but it is good to know that it is possible to trace the family, even when the parish registers have not survived. I've been looking for this information for about 10 years! Vicki Perry _________________________________________________________________ Could you be the guest MSN Movies presenter? Click Here to Audition http://www.lightscameraaudition.co.uk

Dear Chris, I found somethings that are wrong about my mother's paternal side. Someone did not know that the name Wilson was a common name. My grandfather's brother was a John Wilson Jones and his wife was Amanda. They disappear. Some guy goes into the Missouri birth/ death records and finds a John W--- Jones and just decides to use him and his wife and child. That is all wrong and a fragment of his mind. Just because this John has a "W" as his middle name does not mean he is mine. And I know for a fact that the middle name was Wilson. This fool and someone else has posted that my grandfather was married to a Wrong woman and my grandmother married to a Wrong man. They have my grandfather born in Mo and not in North Carolina. I have sooo much proof that he was born there!!! I am leaving the information. I did put in a post it that the information was all wrong. People!!!! Alanna

I really understand what you mean, Chris. I've had a similar experience. My fear of ID theft has made me extra cautious so to prevent me from accidentally giving away private information I've never put details of living individuals in any trees that I give away. They're not even in my Family Tree Maker program for me to give away. However, what burns me is the other issue, as you say, when others start passing around my genealogy information as theirs. Hang in there and don't be disgusted, it will only dampen YOUR enjoyment of it. And I'm saying this to myself at the same time :) Liz On 6/1/07, Ellen Crehan <ellencrehan@bigpond.com> wrote: > Dear Chris, > > Thank you for this advice......it is really awful to think that anyone could > be so despicable. > It certainly puts a damper on "goodwill" > > Cheers anyway, > Ellen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Goopy" <cgoopy@optusnet.com.au> > To: <undisclosed-recipients:> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:04 PM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Protect your research and privacy > > > > > > > > > > > > My fellow researchers... > > > > I would just like to remind all who decide to help others with their > > research to be careful. > > > > Don't trust others to guard your family information as you do. > > > > Don't share Gedcoms without totally editing them, to remove all > > reference to living people or those who would rather not have their > > family members details on the net. > > > > Don't believe others when they say they will remove it first, or they > > will only keep this information for personal use. > > > > I wish I had taken notice of my own advice, and not tried so hard to > > help someone that I did trust that person. I was totally dismayed to be > > searching through our biggest family history site and discover so many > > of my living relatives named in full. Sharing with the aim of helping, > > had given this person an open invitation to simply add all my details to > > their work, if any of it is. I don't care less about credit for > > research, as I have been very grateful for all the help that I have > > received along the way, and I have willingly shared all I have found. I > > do care that requests had been made to have names removed... and they > > hadn't been. > > > > The whole tree has now been removed. It will be interesting to see if an > > edited version now appears. > > > > I blame myself for being gullible. By posting this, I hope others will > > be more cautious than I was. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HI Chris I can appreciate your frustration at people not doing what they say but...and there is no indication this will happen but I hope it doesn't deter you from continuing tohelping others. As the saying goes there is always 10%. I have learned that if I want something done and CARE ABOUT THE WAY it is done--then I do it myself. As far as I know none of my info that I have shared has been mishandled but if it is the ones whose info I have shared are all dead. My cousins who I work with have the best intentions in the world but....sometimes in the press of getting something done it just slips through. I really didn't mean to get on a soap box but this seems to happen fairly frequently. I guess upfront we have to make a decision to share and run risk or not. Doug I hope the best day of your past is the worst day of your future. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Liz, I have found some wills in the National Archives under Hagherin (or Haghern) so I think the name may in fact be Ahern - which is quite common in Waterford. Should I send you my few Haugherin references? best wishes, Nicola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Haren" <lizharen@gmail.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com>

Thanks. Thought you were the author. *blush* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Brennan" <bbs.ennis@eircom.net> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] East Clare Heritage "Sliabh Aughty"Journal No. 13 2007 Edition. > Details at the bottom of the posting through East Clare Heritage Centre. > > Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice" <alice7@xplornet.com> > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:24 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] East Clare Heritage "Sliabh > Aughty"Journal > No. 13 2007 Edition. > > > Where does one find/purchase this journal? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Brennan" <bbs.ennis@eircom.net> > To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:48 AM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] East Clare Heritage "Sliabh Aughty" Journal > No. 13 2007 Edition. > > >> Just published East Clare Heritage Journal No. 13 Sliabh Aughty. Price >> €10.00 plus postage &packing. >> >> A must for anybody research families in East Clare and as a guide to >> others >> searching throughout County Clare. >> >> Articles Included: >> >> Gaelic Women of East Thomond. >> >> My Ancestors (poem). >> >> The Burkes of Tintrim House, Whitegate. >> >> The Morelands of Raheen and a Mixed Marriage. >> >> Tulla Union Workhouse in June 1851. >> >> A Road to Australia. A storey of pioneer James Davorens settlement in >> Australia. >> >> Mails from Botany Bay. >> >> Ellis Island and Immigrants from Bodyke 1892-1924 >> >> A Brief History of Meelick Burkes 1722-1844 >> >> Croaghaun (Croaghane) Old Cemetery and Kifintanan churchyard cratloe. >> >> And lots more. >> >> E. Mail: eastclareheritage@eircom.net >> >> Web Site: http://homepage.eircom.net/~eastclareheritage/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My fellow researchers... I would just like to remind all who decide to help others with their research to be careful. Don't trust others to guard your family information as you do. Don't share Gedcoms without totally editing them, to remove all reference to living people or those who would rather not have their family members details on the net. Don't believe others when they say they will remove it first, or they will only keep this information for personal use. I wish I had taken notice of my own advice, and not tried so hard to help someone that I did trust that person. I was totally dismayed to be searching through our biggest family history site and discover so many of my living relatives named in full. Sharing with the aim of helping, had given this person an open invitation to simply add all my details to their work, if any of it is. I don't care less about credit for research, as I have been very grateful for all the help that I have received along the way, and I have willingly shared all I have found. I do care that requests had been made to have names removed... and they hadn't been. The whole tree has now been removed. It will be interesting to see if an edited version now appears. I blame myself for being gullible. By posting this, I hope others will be more cautious than I was. Chris

This is a message for Liz Haren re the Haren name: Have you ever come across the spelling Haugherin? my ggggggrandmother was Ellen Haugherin (died 1737) married to William Ronayne in Waterford. I have found only five references to this name - mostly Laois Offaly - and it has been suggested that it is in fact Horan (with a Waterford accent!), Haughran or Haran/Haren. Searching for these varations hasn't helped me so far! Just a thought born out of desperation! Nicola

Details at the bottom of the posting through East Clare Heritage Centre. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" <alice7@xplornet.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] East Clare Heritage "Sliabh Aughty"Journal No. 13 2007 Edition. Where does one find/purchase this journal? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Brennan" <bbs.ennis@eircom.net> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] East Clare Heritage "Sliabh Aughty" Journal No. 13 2007 Edition. > Just published East Clare Heritage Journal No. 13 Sliabh Aughty. Price > €10.00 plus postage &packing. > > A must for anybody research families in East Clare and as a guide to > others > searching throughout County Clare. > > Articles Included: > > Gaelic Women of East Thomond. > > My Ancestors (poem). > > The Burkes of Tintrim House, Whitegate. > > The Morelands of Raheen and a Mixed Marriage. > > Tulla Union Workhouse in June 1851. > > A Road to Australia. A storey of pioneer James Davorens settlement in > Australia. > > Mails from Botany Bay. > > Ellis Island and Immigrants from Bodyke 1892-1924 > > A Brief History of Meelick Burkes 1722-1844 > > Croaghaun (Croaghane) Old Cemetery and Kifintanan churchyard cratloe. > > And lots more. > > E. Mail: eastclareheritage@eircom.net > > Web Site: http://homepage.eircom.net/~eastclareheritage/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nicola, It wouldn't surprise me if that was another form of Haren! I haven't run across it myself BUT that is because I usually focus on Haren/Haran/Harhen. I wouldn't be looking in the Hau's when I gather that surname. You can be sure I'll do it from now on tho! Liz On 5/29/07, Darcy5 <darcy5@eircom.net> wrote: > This is a message for Liz Haren re the Haren name: > Have you ever come across the spelling Haugherin? my ggggggrandmother was > Ellen Haugherin (died 1737) married to William Ronayne in Waterford. I have > found only five references to this name - mostly Laois Offaly - and it has > been suggested that it is in fact Horan (with a Waterford accent!), Haughran > or Haran/Haren. Searching for these varations hasn't helped me so far! > Just a thought born out of desperation! > Nicola > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where does one find/purchase this journal? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Brennan" <bbs.ennis@eircom.net> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] East Clare Heritage "Sliabh Aughty" Journal No. 13 2007 Edition. > Just published East Clare Heritage Journal No. 13 Sliabh Aughty. Price > €10.00 plus postage &packing. > > A must for anybody research families in East Clare and as a guide to > others > searching throughout County Clare. > > Articles Included: > > Gaelic Women of East Thomond. > > My Ancestors (poem). > > The Burkes of Tintrim House, Whitegate. > > The Morelands of Raheen and a Mixed Marriage. > > Tulla Union Workhouse in June 1851. > > A Road to Australia. A storey of pioneer James Davorens settlement in > Australia. > > Mails from Botany Bay. > > Ellis Island and Immigrants from Bodyke 1892-1924 > > A Brief History of Meelick Burkes 1722-1844 > > Croaghaun (Croaghane) Old Cemetery and Kifintanan churchyard cratloe. > > And lots more. > > E. Mail: eastclareheritage@eircom.net > > Web Site: http://homepage.eircom.net/~eastclareheritage/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Most welcome Sharon, Quin is a favorite Clare place for me, even though I have only been there twice. I did take a picture of the castle with two horses in the foreground. They seemed to be cautiously guarding the castle from tourists like me. I wish they had come a bit closer, but still is a good defiant look in their eyes and posture. I also learned of a castle in my mac townland. In an ordnance survey letter in 1839, John O'Donovan has this to say: "I find no record of the existence of a castle in this Parish and still it would appear from the name of a hill in the townland of Lecarrow Lower, [Laccaroe], situated about three quarters of a mile to the east of the village of Feakle, that there was one there at some period. This hill is called Cnoc a Chaisleain, and tradition says that there was a castle to be seen on it in the memory of old men not long dead, but no trace remains at present. The name of the hill should appear on the Ordnance Map." I found out my Cleary's Coogypark Macs are related to my McNamara's Laccaroe Macs. I found a few of their wills in the National Archives and a few more relationships are stated. . Your bible project sounds like a winner, good luck with that. Best regards, Jim McNamara ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon carberry" <smc85p@yahoo.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Carbery obituary '07,and an new project for me > Thanks, Jim. I will have to stop in there when I am next in that > neighborhood. > I look forward to it. I never miss watching the Kentucky Derby here in > the > States, and so a horse angle to my research will be something to happily > anticipate. > > I am sorry for being a bit late in my response but I had a new step in my > latest and most unusual project. I don't think I have mentioned this one > yet. Back in April I was doing some Googling and found an old 1997 > posting > made in an effort to find descendants of a family belonging to a bible > found in > an attic in Macon, Georgia. Of course I know where Macon is, as I have > done research in the Macon library on a potential Jones individual for a > Clare > family historian on the old Clare mailing list. I found out that that > library has > some materials that cannot be found in most other libraries, such as the > Casey Collection for SW Ireland and, very important for my research, a > book > listing the deaths reported in a Philadelphia newspaper in the mid-1800s, > which I > thought was available only in a Philly library. > > I did more Googling and came up with living descendants of the involved > family, > which is the Bennis family of Clare. After contacting them, I did more > Googling > and found someone to contact the homeowner whose attic had contained > the bible. I eventually discussed with that homeowner the possible > current > location of the bible because she had indeed turned it over to someone, > after > giving up hope on finding any Bennis descendants. She cannot remember > the recipient's name but referred me to a historian with whom she > discussed > the matter at the time. I did more Googling and came up with contact info > for that person, who has since retired from state service in the > historical > conservation department. He happened to be on vacation when I emailed > him and then wrote him. However today he emailed me his phone number, > so we had a good discussion of what next to do in order to locate the > bible. > I will do that follow-up tomorrow. He feels that there the bible may well > be > in an institutional collection where it has been preserved, because it was > a special "presentation" type, with the recipient's name applied in gold > leaf > on the front cover. The gift donor was Mitchell Bennis, the year was > 1852, > and the recipient was his nephew Mitchell Bennis Clark, who was coming > to the Georgia Academy for the Blind to be its first music teacher. > > A nifty project. I hope it has a good conclusion. > > Sharon C. > Georgia > > jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Sharon, > > When I was in Quin (this past April) I ate at a pub there. The pub's > owner > had a brother who was a jockey and there were numerous pictures, trophies, > racing memorabilia there, an interesting place. I spoke to the owner and > we > discussed that one jockey who was accused of throwing an race (having the > horse back off at end of race). A friendly place. It's not quite a > museum, > but interested me enough to walk around while I waited for dinner and > peruse > all the displays. > > I just checked my planner, and this pub was named "The Monk's Well" > > regards, > > Jim McNamara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sharon carberry" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Carbery obituary '07 > > >> Liz, >> >> Thank you for thinking of me and my surname project today. Seeing your >> posting was just the best way to start the day, after being up till 2:30 >> a.m. cleaning up (taking out lots of usually-hidden code language) in the >> McMahon file which I transferred from my old computer to this new one. >> It >> prompts me to >> think of how little progress I would have made with my genealogy projects >> if we family historians did not stop our own research once in a while and >> do something for others. >> >> I must disclose, however, that I do not try to keep up with current >> family >> news, for two reasons - (1) I am sensitive about appearing too nosy and >> (2) if I ever determine the actual county of origin for my own Clare >> residents of the 1800s, it will be the crowning achievement in my >> Carberry >> research, for there is no hope of my effort being anything but deeply >> historical in nature. I have totally batted out with connecting to >> current Carberry cousins, after locating two long-lost sets of them here >> in the U.S. and reaching out to more than one person in each set. Those >> are closed circles, so I now shy away from anything to do with the >> living. >> >> However, this month brought the news that a member of the Carberry >> YahooGroup which I organized has found a long-lost cousin in France who >> is >> as avid a family historian as she is (she has been at her project for >> over 10 >> years). It turns out that her Wexford group is related to Tommy Carberry >> the >> horse trainer and his children the current-day jockeys. That brings back >> fine >> memories because the one thing that my own family was able to contribute >> was our oral history attributing an extraordinary ability to relate to >> animals. >> My father, just for fun, taught wild birds to eat seed out of his hands >> (which I >> then copied, a great way to while away some time before the arrival of >> the >> Web), >> and his father had animals performing tricks, documented by a photo of >> him >> next to a horse sitting like a dog. Thus the oral history that our >> Carberrys had >> something to do professionally with horses back in Clare seems supported, >> and I note that there was a racing venue on a hill near Quin, quite close >> to our >> family's townland. >> >> So, thanks for remembering me. It is a meaningful Memorial Day already. >> >> Sharon C. >> >> >> Liz Haren > wrote: CARBERY (Stillorgan, Dublin and late >> of Leinster House and founding >> member of Glenalbyn Tennis Club) - May 25, 2007 (peacefully), at The >> Ashbury Nursing Home, Deans'Grange, Liam, beloved husband of the late >> Patricia (Paddy); deeply missed by his loving children David and >> Justine, their partners Janice and Donal, his sisters, six >> grandchildren, relatives, extended family and a wide circle of >> friends. Rest in peace. Funeral today (Monday) after 10 o'clock Mass >> in St. Laurence O'Toole Church, Kilmacud to Shanganagh Cemetery. >> >> "At peace" >> >> Date: Friday, 25 May 2007 >> >> http://www.ireland.com/notices/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&advert=588864&publish=28/05/2007 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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Sharon, that was the nicest thank-you note I've ever received :) Hope you had a great Memorial Day. On 5/28/07, sharon carberry <smc85p@yahoo.com> wrote: > Liz, > > Thank you for thinking of me and my surname project today. Seeing your posting was just the best way to start the day, after being up till 2:30 a.m. cleaning up (taking out lots of usually-hidden code language) in the McMahon file which I transferred from my old computer to this new one. It prompts me to > think of how little progress I would have made with my genealogy projects > if we family historians did not stop our own research once in a while and > do something for others. > > I must disclose, however, that I do not try to keep up with current family news, for two reasons - (1) I am sensitive about appearing too nosy and (2) if I ever determine the actual county of origin for my own Clare residents of the 1800s, it will be the crowning achievement in my Carberry research, for there is no hope of my effort being anything but deeply historical in nature. I have totally batted out with connecting to current Carberry cousins, after locating two long-lost sets of them here in the U.S. and reaching out to more than one person in each set. Those are closed circles, so I now shy away from anything to do with the living. > > However, this month brought the news that a member of the Carberry YahooGroup which I organized has found a long-lost cousin in France who is > as avid a family historian as she is (she has been at her project for over 10 > years). It turns out that her Wexford group is related to Tommy Carberry the > horse trainer and his children the current-day jockeys. That brings back fine > memories because the one thing that my own family was able to contribute > was our oral history attributing an extraordinary ability to relate to animals. > My father, just for fun, taught wild birds to eat seed out of his hands (which I > then copied, a great way to while away some time before the arrival of the Web), > and his father had animals performing tricks, documented by a photo of him > next to a horse sitting like a dog. Thus the oral history that our Carberrys had > something to do professionally with horses back in Clare seems supported, > and I note that there was a racing venue on a hill near Quin, quite close to our > family's townland. > > So, thanks for remembering me. It is a meaningful Memorial Day already. > > Sharon C. > > > Liz Haren <lizharen@gmail.com> wrote: CARBERY (Stillorgan, Dublin and late of Leinster House and founding > member of Glenalbyn Tennis Club) - May 25, 2007 (peacefully), at The > Ashbury Nursing Home, Deans'Grange, Liam, beloved husband of the late > Patricia (Paddy); deeply missed by his loving children David and > Justine, their partners Janice and Donal, his sisters, six > grandchildren, relatives, extended family and a wide circle of > friends. Rest in peace. Funeral today (Monday) after 10 o'clock Mass > in St. Laurence O'Toole Church, Kilmacud to Shanganagh Cemetery. > > "At peace" > > Date: Friday, 25 May 2007 > > http://www.ireland.com/notices/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&advert=588864&publish=28/05/2007 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Jim. I will have to stop in there when I am next in that neighborhood. I look forward to it. I never miss watching the Kentucky Derby here in the States, and so a horse angle to my research will be something to happily anticipate. I am sorry for being a bit late in my response but I had a new step in my latest and most unusual project. I don't think I have mentioned this one yet. Back in April I was doing some Googling and found an old 1997 posting made in an effort to find descendants of a family belonging to a bible found in an attic in Macon, Georgia. Of course I know where Macon is, as I have done research in the Macon library on a potential Jones individual for a Clare family historian on the old Clare mailing list. I found out that that library has some materials that cannot be found in most other libraries, such as the Casey Collection for SW Ireland and, very important for my research, a book listing the deaths reported in a Philadelphia newspaper in the mid-1800s, which I thought was available only in a Philly library. I did more Googling and came up with living descendants of the involved family, which is the Bennis family of Clare. After contacting them, I did more Googling and found someone to contact the homeowner whose attic had contained the bible. I eventually discussed with that homeowner the possible current location of the bible because she had indeed turned it over to someone, after giving up hope on finding any Bennis descendants. She cannot remember the recipient's name but referred me to a historian with whom she discussed the matter at the time. I did more Googling and came up with contact info for that person, who has since retired from state service in the historical conservation department. He happened to be on vacation when I emailed him and then wrote him. However today he emailed me his phone number, so we had a good discussion of what next to do in order to locate the bible. I will do that follow-up tomorrow. He feels that there the bible may well be in an institutional collection where it has been preserved, because it was a special "presentation" type, with the recipient's name applied in gold leaf on the front cover. The gift donor was Mitchell Bennis, the year was 1852, and the recipient was his nephew Mitchell Bennis Clark, who was coming to the Georgia Academy for the Blind to be its first music teacher. A nifty project. I hope it has a good conclusion. Sharon C. Georgia jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Sharon, When I was in Quin (this past April) I ate at a pub there. The pub's owner had a brother who was a jockey and there were numerous pictures, trophies, racing memorabilia there, an interesting place. I spoke to the owner and we discussed that one jockey who was accused of throwing an race (having the horse back off at end of race). A friendly place. It's not quite a museum, but interested me enough to walk around while I waited for dinner and peruse all the displays. I just checked my planner, and this pub was named "The Monk's Well" regards, Jim McNamara ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon carberry" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Carbery obituary '07 > Liz, > > Thank you for thinking of me and my surname project today. Seeing your > posting was just the best way to start the day, after being up till 2:30 > a.m. cleaning up (taking out lots of usually-hidden code language) in the > McMahon file which I transferred from my old computer to this new one. It > prompts me to > think of how little progress I would have made with my genealogy projects > if we family historians did not stop our own research once in a while and > do something for others. > > I must disclose, however, that I do not try to keep up with current family > news, for two reasons - (1) I am sensitive about appearing too nosy and > (2) if I ever determine the actual county of origin for my own Clare > residents of the 1800s, it will be the crowning achievement in my Carberry > research, for there is no hope of my effort being anything but deeply > historical in nature. I have totally batted out with connecting to > current Carberry cousins, after locating two long-lost sets of them here > in the U.S. and reaching out to more than one person in each set. Those > are closed circles, so I now shy away from anything to do with the living. > > However, this month brought the news that a member of the Carberry > YahooGroup which I organized has found a long-lost cousin in France who is > as avid a family historian as she is (she has been at her project for > over 10 > years). It turns out that her Wexford group is related to Tommy Carberry > the > horse trainer and his children the current-day jockeys. That brings back > fine > memories because the one thing that my own family was able to contribute > was our oral history attributing an extraordinary ability to relate to > animals. > My father, just for fun, taught wild birds to eat seed out of his hands > (which I > then copied, a great way to while away some time before the arrival of the > Web), > and his father had animals performing tricks, documented by a photo of him > next to a horse sitting like a dog. Thus the oral history that our > Carberrys had > something to do professionally with horses back in Clare seems supported, > and I note that there was a racing venue on a hill near Quin, quite close > to our > family's townland. > > So, thanks for remembering me. It is a meaningful Memorial Day already. > > Sharon C. > > > Liz Haren wrote: CARBERY (Stillorgan, Dublin and late > of Leinster House and founding > member of Glenalbyn Tennis Club) - May 25, 2007 (peacefully), at The > Ashbury Nursing Home, Deans'Grange, Liam, beloved husband of the late > Patricia (Paddy); deeply missed by his loving children David and > Justine, their partners Janice and Donal, his sisters, six > grandchildren, relatives, extended family and a wide circle of > friends. Rest in peace. Funeral today (Monday) after 10 o'clock Mass > in St. Laurence O'Toole Church, Kilmacud to Shanganagh Cemetery. > > "At peace" > > Date: Friday, 25 May 2007 > > http://www.ireland.com/notices/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&advert=588864&publish=28/05/2007 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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Hi Sharon, When I was in Quin (this past April) I ate at a pub there. The pub's owner had a brother who was a jockey and there were numerous pictures, trophies, racing memorabilia there, an interesting place. I spoke to the owner and we discussed that one jockey who was accused of throwing an race (having the horse back off at end of race). A friendly place. It's not quite a museum, but interested me enough to walk around while I waited for dinner and peruse all the displays. I just checked my planner, and this pub was named "The Monk's Well" regards, Jim McNamara ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon carberry" <smc85p@yahoo.com> To: <irl-clare-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] Carbery obituary '07 > Liz, > > Thank you for thinking of me and my surname project today. Seeing your > posting was just the best way to start the day, after being up till 2:30 > a.m. cleaning up (taking out lots of usually-hidden code language) in the > McMahon file which I transferred from my old computer to this new one. It > prompts me to > think of how little progress I would have made with my genealogy projects > if we family historians did not stop our own research once in a while and > do something for others. > > I must disclose, however, that I do not try to keep up with current family > news, for two reasons - (1) I am sensitive about appearing too nosy and > (2) if I ever determine the actual county of origin for my own Clare > residents of the 1800s, it will be the crowning achievement in my Carberry > research, for there is no hope of my effort being anything but deeply > historical in nature. I have totally batted out with connecting to > current Carberry cousins, after locating two long-lost sets of them here > in the U.S. and reaching out to more than one person in each set. Those > are closed circles, so I now shy away from anything to do with the living. > > However, this month brought the news that a member of the Carberry > YahooGroup which I organized has found a long-lost cousin in France who is > as avid a family historian as she is (she has been at her project for > over 10 > years). It turns out that her Wexford group is related to Tommy Carberry > the > horse trainer and his children the current-day jockeys. That brings back > fine > memories because the one thing that my own family was able to contribute > was our oral history attributing an extraordinary ability to relate to > animals. > My father, just for fun, taught wild birds to eat seed out of his hands > (which I > then copied, a great way to while away some time before the arrival of the > Web), > and his father had animals performing tricks, documented by a photo of him > next to a horse sitting like a dog. Thus the oral history that our > Carberrys had > something to do professionally with horses back in Clare seems supported, > and I note that there was a racing venue on a hill near Quin, quite close > to our > family's townland. > > So, thanks for remembering me. It is a meaningful Memorial Day already. > > Sharon C. > > > Liz Haren <lizharen@gmail.com> wrote: CARBERY (Stillorgan, Dublin and late > of Leinster House and founding > member of Glenalbyn Tennis Club) - May 25, 2007 (peacefully), at The > Ashbury Nursing Home, Deans'Grange, Liam, beloved husband of the late > Patricia (Paddy); deeply missed by his loving children David and > Justine, their partners Janice and Donal, his sisters, six > grandchildren, relatives, extended family and a wide circle of > friends. Rest in peace. Funeral today (Monday) after 10 o'clock Mass > in St. Laurence O'Toole Church, Kilmacud to Shanganagh Cemetery. > > "At peace" > > Date: Friday, 25 May 2007 > > http://www.ireland.com/notices/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&advert=588864&publish=28/05/2007 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Liz, Thank you for thinking of me and my surname project today. Seeing your posting was just the best way to start the day, after being up till 2:30 a.m. cleaning up (taking out lots of usually-hidden code language) in the McMahon file which I transferred from my old computer to this new one. It prompts me to think of how little progress I would have made with my genealogy projects if we family historians did not stop our own research once in a while and do something for others. I must disclose, however, that I do not try to keep up with current family news, for two reasons - (1) I am sensitive about appearing too nosy and (2) if I ever determine the actual county of origin for my own Clare residents of the 1800s, it will be the crowning achievement in my Carberry research, for there is no hope of my effort being anything but deeply historical in nature. I have totally batted out with connecting to current Carberry cousins, after locating two long-lost sets of them here in the U.S. and reaching out to more than one person in each set. Those are closed circles, so I now shy away from anything to do with the living. However, this month brought the news that a member of the Carberry YahooGroup which I organized has found a long-lost cousin in France who is as avid a family historian as she is (she has been at her project for over 10 years). It turns out that her Wexford group is related to Tommy Carberry the horse trainer and his children the current-day jockeys. That brings back fine memories because the one thing that my own family was able to contribute was our oral history attributing an extraordinary ability to relate to animals. My father, just for fun, taught wild birds to eat seed out of his hands (which I then copied, a great way to while away some time before the arrival of the Web), and his father had animals performing tricks, documented by a photo of him next to a horse sitting like a dog. Thus the oral history that our Carberrys had something to do professionally with horses back in Clare seems supported, and I note that there was a racing venue on a hill near Quin, quite close to our family's townland. So, thanks for remembering me. It is a meaningful Memorial Day already. Sharon C. Liz Haren <lizharen@gmail.com> wrote: CARBERY (Stillorgan, Dublin and late of Leinster House and founding member of Glenalbyn Tennis Club) - May 25, 2007 (peacefully), at The Ashbury Nursing Home, Deans'Grange, Liam, beloved husband of the late Patricia (Paddy); deeply missed by his loving children David and Justine, their partners Janice and Donal, his sisters, six grandchildren, relatives, extended family and a wide circle of friends. Rest in peace. Funeral today (Monday) after 10 o'clock Mass in St. Laurence O'Toole Church, Kilmacud to Shanganagh Cemetery. "At peace" Date: Friday, 25 May 2007 http://www.ireland.com/notices/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&advert=588864&publish=28/05/2007 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

CARBERY (Stillorgan, Dublin and late of Leinster House and founding member of Glenalbyn Tennis Club) - May 25, 2007 (peacefully), at The Ashbury Nursing Home, Deans'Grange, Liam, beloved husband of the late Patricia (Paddy); deeply missed by his loving children David and Justine, their partners Janice and Donal, his sisters, six grandchildren, relatives, extended family and a wide circle of friends. Rest in peace. Funeral today (Monday) after 10 o'clock Mass in St. Laurence O'Toole Church, Kilmacud to Shanganagh Cemetery. "At peace" Date: Friday, 25 May 2007 http://www.ireland.com/notices/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&advert=588864&publish=28/05/2007

See http://www.cyndislist.com/preservation.htm for resources on preserving records. And here's an interesting question to all you genealogists: if you were to die instantaneously and unexpectedly today, what exactly would happen to those records you have so painstakingly collected ? Would somebody know exactly what to do with them or would they land in a skip ? Are they on a computer protected with a good password which you have taken to the grave ? And so forth. Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Harris Sent: 21 May 2007 08:08 To: Y-ireland Cc: Clare Projects; The_Genealogical_Friends_Group@yahoogroups.co.uk Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS] [Y-IRL] Preserving our treasured research G'day Chris, All that you have presented is all too true. And the same goes for publishing your genealogical finds. Putting them on the 'Net in a Web Site will only last as long as someone is prepared to pay for and maintain the site. That of course assumes that the location of the Web Site does not crash and lose all your good work, in the meantime. Put it on CD, or even DVD, these days, and it is only good as long as there are machines that can read those disks. And that is changing almost as often as we change our underwear. But they are still reading books that are over 1000 years old. So put everything that you want to keep for any length of time, onto the good old paper - acid free, of course. When I was working, I was given the job of advising another Government Department (I was a public servant) on what they should do with a set of tapes with seismic information on them, that is was estimated would cost them $64 million dollars to do the work to replace the information, if it was lost. They were losing machines that could read some of the tapes, in Australia, and had to send them off to England to retrieve the information. My solution was to transfer the information to tapes that were of a more recent vintage from more modern computers, at a cost of about $400,000. They rejected that option and I have no idea what they finished up doing with those tapes. As that was about 20 years ago, I have little doubt that the information has been lost, by now. But it is a good example of making sure that your valuable information is stored on the most durable medium possible. Keep well and happy, as I am. Happy Hunting ;-) Rfer & Hue Chris Goopy wrote: >Hi all, > >I don't know if others subscribe to Dead Fred's Relatively Speaking >newsletter, but there are often some very interesting tips. > >Without comment, I post a couple below... accept them or not as you will. > >Chris > > >http://www.deadfred.com/newsletter_05.php?volume=7&issue=5#6 > >3. The shortest pencil is better than the longest memory. >They say a photograph is worth a thousand words, but look in your own >family photo collection and you'll find plenty of photographs with > > <snip> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message