Thanks Diane and Peter for your assistance. Further information on the O'Callaghans and Fennells arriving in Adelaide as follows: Patrick Fennell sponsored my Great Grandfather Patrick O'Callaghan who arrived at Adelaide on the Sir Thomas Gresham ship on 19 March 1854. Patrick O'Callaghan's wife (Johanna nee Hartigan) had arrived earlier on the ship David Malcolm listed as Johanna Hartigan and was also sponsored by Patrick Fennell. It is thought that Patrick O'Callaghan and Johanna Hartigan had married in Ireland before departing for Australia. On the shipping list for the Sir Thomas Gresham ship Patrick O'Callaghan was listed beside John O'Callaghan who is possibly a brother of Patrick O'Callaghan. Patrick Fennell married Mary O'Callaghan on 19 June 1848 at Adelaide and they had 6 children Stephen, Denis Eugene, Honora, Thomas, Eugene and Mary. It is possible that Mary O'Callaghan was Patrick O'Callaghan's sister or a close relative. Mary O'Callaghan arrived at Adelaide on the Britannia ship on 24 October 1846. Patrick O'Callaghan's sponsor to Adelaide, Patrick Fennell, was 25 years old when he arrived at Adelaide on the Duke of Roxburghe ship and embarked with his father (Stephen Fennell age 45 years) and mother (Margaret - nee Downey age 44 years) and siblings on 26 July 1838. Patrick Fennell's siblings that arrived with him were Dennis, Stephen, John, Mary Ann and Thomas. The Duke of Roxburghe sailed from Portsmouth (England). Terry -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-clare-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2013 5:00 PM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 93 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DELETE all extra text in the Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fennell and O'Callaghan (Terrence O'Callaghan) 2. Re: Fennell and O'Callaghan (Peter R Booth) 3. Re: Fennell and O'Callaghan (dlculhane@cs.com) 4. Re: Fennell and O'Callaghan (Peter R Booth) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:50:21 +0800 From: "Terrence O'Callaghan" <terryoc@netspace.net.au> Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Fennell and O'Callaghan To: "IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com" <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <867E4E82-823D-48E9-9D94-BF50C4D726C8@netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My great grandfather Patrick O'Callaghan and his wife emigrated from County Clare to Adelaide, South Australia, during 1854 and they were sponsored under an emigration scheme by Patrick Fennell who at the time was married to Mary O'Callaghan and they lived near Adelaide. I would like to know more about the O'Callaghans and the Fennells particularly their families in Ireland as I have been unable to identify where they lived in County Clare, their parents, or how Patrick O'Callaghan and Patrick Fennell got to England to catch their ships to Australia. Terrence O'Callaghan PO Box 730 Balwyn, Victoria 3103 Australia Email: terryoc@netspace.net.au Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:35:41 +1000 From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Fennell and O'Callaghan To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01ce6c07$32da47e0$0500a8c0@family> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Terrence, You've done well if you've found immigration papers to South Australia. A lot were destroyed in a flood of the Torrens River. Do you have the name of the ship? Were there others from Clare aboard?. When did Patrick Fennell arrive? From what you're saying Mary O'Callaghan married Patrick Fennell and her brother Patrick O'Callaghan married ???. Unfortunately, I think you'll find more in Australian records than you will in Ireland. Look for death records of both couple or you may need to buy death certificates. That should give parents. You can try Clare library, but most of the record only give heads of household rather than family groups. And because births and marriages predate 1864 civil registrations you need to know a townland, religion and parish before looking in Ireland. And in most cases it requires a personal visit to Dublin or paying a local researcher. Also check migration lists at Clare Library on the off chance somebody has transcribed any SA passenger lists. Peter ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dlculhane@cs.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Fennell and O'Callaghan To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8D03A2A50BE8BC8-1534-1A42D@webmail-m206.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To narrow down where they came from in Clare, look on the Tithe Applotments on the National Archives site and the Griffith's index on failteromhat.com for civil parishes that had those surnames. Then note on a parish map of Clare where they seemed to cluster. Then convert to Catholic parishes on the Irish Times site and check the status of records in the likeliest parishes. Many have been filmed by the LDS and some have been transcribed on the Clare Library site. Even if you don't find your ancestors' names in the church records, you'll likely figure out about where in Clare they came from. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Terrence O'Callaghan <terryoc@netspace.net.au> To: IRL-CLARE <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 2:52 am Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Fennell and O'Callaghan My great grandfather Patrick O'Callaghan and his wife emigrated from County Clare to Adelaide, South Australia, during 1854 and they were sponsored under an emigration scheme by Patrick Fennell who at the time was married to Mary O'Callaghan and they lived near Adelaide. I would like to know more about the O'Callaghans and the Fennells particularly their families in Ireland as I have been unable to identify where they lived in County Clare, their parents, or how Patrick O'Callaghan and Patrick Fennell got to England to catch their ships to Australia. Terrence O'Callaghan PO Box 730 Balwyn, Victoria 3103 Australia Email: terryoc@netspace.net.au Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:25:07 +1000 From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Fennell and O'Callaghan To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000801ce6c94$374a5120$0500a8c0@family> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Terrence, If you Google "Patrick Fennell", among the results there is a tree on MyTrees.com. Alternatively Google MyTrees.com and search for him. You can see some data on dates and children, but no locations. And as it's a pay site you would have to join to see full data or to contact the submitter. But you may have that data already. I could see nothing for Patrick O'Callaghan. Unfortunately, you didn't give any data on his age, death, spouse or children. It would take me hours to look it all up, when you probably have it. I note you said they came from England. Were they perhaps there for 1851 census? Were any children born there? Peter ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-CLARE list administrator, send an email to IRL-CLARE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-CLARE mailing list, send an email to IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 93 ****************************************