Patricia / Christina, When you look at 1920 US census, you get a rather different picture. Both husband and wife went together to USA in 1905. All children were born in New Jersey. Thomas 1906 and Mary and Nora were 1908 (not 1906 as advised). Some of the other children were out slightly. I think 1901 census or Ireland should have the answers. Knowing both Patrick & Bridget were born c1877 will help. Their births should also appear on civil registrations on Family Search. Peter

Actually, it says they went the same year. I just found an oddity. In 1905 Patrick and the Murrays are in Hudson Co. NJ Patrick Considine in household of Cornelious Murray, "New Jersey, State Census, 1905" (No image so I have no date.) Name: *Patrick Considine Titles and Terms: Mr Event Type: Census Event Year: 1905 Event Place: , Hudson, New Jersey, United States Gender: Male Age: 28 Birth Year (Estimated): 1877 Household Gender Age Birthplace Cornelious Murray M 30 Mary Murray F 29 Thomas Murray M 1 William Oconner M 30 Patrick Considine M 28 *Stella Considine F 29 ====================================== In 1910: Name: Stella Considine Age in 1910: 32 Birth Year: abt 1878 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1910: Bayonne Ward 4, Hudson, New Jersey Immigration Year: 1905 Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Patrick Considine Father's Birthplace: Ireland Mother's Birthplace: Ireland Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Patrick Considine 32 Stella Considine 32 Thomas Considine 4 Mary Considine 2 Norah Considine 2 NJ Christenings: First child: Name: Thomas Considine Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Jan 1906 Birth Place: Bayonne, Hudson, New Jersey Christening Date: 4 Feb 1906 Father's Name: Patrick Mother's Name: Bridget McNamara Name: Mary Considine Gender: Female Birth Date: 17 Dec 1907 Birth Place: Bayonne, Hudson, New Jersey Name: Nora Considine Gender: Female Birth Date: 17 Dec 1907 Okay..so the really hard to swallow bit of info is the Bridget was called Stella apparently. I am afraid if Patricia had a hard time accepting my Delia name, she will love seeing Stella. Too much? :) Ah well...I am off to bed. Christina Peter R Booth wrote: > When you look at 1920 US census, you get a rather different picture. > > Both husband and wife went together to USA in 1905. All children were > born in New Jersey. Thomas 1906 and Mary and Nora were 1908 (not 1906 as > advised). Some of the other children were out slightly. > > I think 1901 census or Ireland should have the answers. Knowing both > Patrick& Bridget were born c1877 will help. Their births should also appear > on civil registrations on Family Search.

Christina, You may have misunderstood my intentions, but you've proved my point. It needed information from multiple sources to get the complete picture. You've used Ellis Island, 1905 & 1910 US census, and NJ christenings. I looked at 1920 US Census. And every record has some little twist. Is it Stella, Delia or Bridget? What were the right birth years of children? It just proves you can't rely on only one source. They all need to be cross checked. I don't know if it gets any easier in Ireland. I've left it to Patricia to find them in 1901 census and hopefully follow up parents in 1911. She should also look at for births in Irish Civil Registrations on Family Search. Hopefully, she'll keep us informed on results. Peter