Hi Robert and Marylyn, I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British Mercatile Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in tradition, but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each trip we signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the captain. I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage to Liverpool, and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was termed as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that there had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty odd years. Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it doesn't come as a surprise that your ancestor changed ships. The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up cargo from port to port and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as to when you would return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor conditions they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle Line etc. ran god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually pretty "rusty" old buckets. This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw some light on to the traditions that exist in the maritime industry. John...Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > G'Day Marilyn > > That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter > transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand > information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some > correspondence from an > ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from > Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters > or > scan > them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all > shiphands > but here are some observations from his letters: > 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a > different > > ship to return to his homeland. > 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for > months to find another ship to return home. > 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at > all. > When I have more time I will offer more details. > Marilyn > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_census.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Thanks for that John My entry into this subject was prompted by an ancestor that joined the Portuguese Navy, allegedly jumped ship in America, then joined the American Navy and again jumped ship, in Australia. I wonder about the validity of his story given that some of his other information has proved to be fiction. Discussions as we are having help to mould ones thoughts. Robert in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: John Walton [mailto:vabre@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 11:46 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions Hi Robert and Marylyn, I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British Mercatile Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in tradition, but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each trip we signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the captain. I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage to Liverpool, and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was termed as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that there had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty odd years. Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it doesn't come as a surprise that your ancestor changed ships. The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up cargo from port to port and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as to when you would return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor conditions they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle Line etc. ran god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually pretty "rusty" old buckets. This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw some light on to the traditions that exist in the maritime industry. John...Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > G'Day Marilyn > > That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter > transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand > information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some > correspondence from an > ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from > Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters > or > scan > them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all > shiphands > but here are some observations from his letters: > 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a > different > > ship to return to his homeland. > 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for > months to find another ship to return home. > 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at > all. > When I have more time I will offer more details. > Marilyn > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_cen sus.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

John~ I am trying to locate my g grandfather but the timeline is 1860-1868. Oral history has him deserting the Royal Navy. He was English but was living in Limerick City when he married my g grandmother in 1860. The marriage certificate his occupation is listed as a seaman. He lived on St. Mary's Lane and attended St. Mary's church (Protestant). I tried to track him through records at Kew but they told me they had no record of him. That he was probably a "rating" because officers rarely deserted. They had pensions to maintain. Have you ever heard of the the term "rating". Is that the same as a seaman? Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH John Walton <vabre@optusnet.com.au> wrote: Hi Robert and Marylyn, I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British Mercatile Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in tradition, but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each trip we signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the captain. I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage to Liverpool, and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was termed as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that there had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty odd years. Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it doesn't come as a surprise that your ancestor changed ships. The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up cargo from port to port and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as to when you would return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor conditions they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle Line etc. ran god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually pretty "rusty" old buckets. This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw some light on to the traditions that exist in the maritime industry. John...Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > G'Day Marilyn > > That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter > transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand > information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some > correspondence from an > ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from > Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters > or > scan > them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all > shiphands > but here are some observations from his letters: > 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a > different > > ship to return to his homeland. > 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for > months to find another ship to return home. > 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at > all. > When I have more time I will offer more details. > Marilyn > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_census.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx