Krikey! we seem to be back on the myth that O'Gorman was a Governor of Newfoundland. How did that resurrection make its way to IRL-CLARE? ----- Original Message ----- From: <jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net> To: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com>; <y-irl@yahoogroups.com>; "MK Douglas" <rkdoug2000@yahoo.com>; "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie>; <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Young Irelanders : Re: [Y-IRL] Non Gen...The NineConvicts > Hi Jane, > > Am getting confused here, which lot were hanged? Not the 'nine convicts' > the 'young Irelanders' ? Or is it just the lot on your site at the > referenced URL? > > I do have an obscure reference, to which some misinformation may have been > my fault, as this reference is just the author's writings based on his > research. On the IRL-Clare list, someone said they wished they knew who > was responsible for this one bit of mis-information on the Internet... > > ... and were referring to Richard O'Gorman becoming called a Governor of > Newfoundland, and then in the next breath vehemently expressing that > Richard O'Gorman has never went to Newfoundland. And I do see what seem > to be some of my letters reposted as from another person, and I should > emphasize the 'seem to be' part, as if one has the same book, then the > reference might very well have been just quoted again. > > Anyway, this little book I refer to, is an old book published in 1979. It > seems I caused some great guffaws when I quoted from this book Judge > William Hughes Mulligan's St Patrick's Day tongue-in-cheek speech about > how Christopher Columbus was really an Irishman named Lynch. It was the > opening to his chapter entitled "The Runaround in Rome" and was a bit of > payback to what the author considered his poor treatment at the hands of > the Vatican archivists. One way to get even so to speak poorly of > Italians, a payback for one repository preventing his access to research > materials that would confirm that many priests went to Italy from Ireland > after Cromwell's arrival. > [also note: someone was so impressed with this letter of mine, that > without asking they made it into a website. The website was just a > reprint of my letter to Ireland-L@rootsweb.com. This site has finally > been taken down.] > > Anyway, this book also has the story of how the Queen was advised that Sir > Charles Duffy who was elected prime minister of the province of Victoria > was among the men accused of taking part in an armed uprising, the very > group she pardoned. (I am paraphrasing here so hope I am not changing the > story.) At this bit of information she allegedly asked to investigate > what became of the other eight people. At this point the book does a run > down on how successful these people were, at how short sighted the English > were to let such great people go. One of the people is the one I am sure > I am the one guilty of spreading the mis-information, (if it is untrue), > but it is what is in this book, I did not make it up, and that is about > Richard O'Gorman. So far I have ducked this issue with my silence. <VBG> > Anyway, here is a rundown from this book of the remaining eight: > < > 1) Thomas Meagher became governor of Montana, and he was a general during > the American Civil War, > 2) Terrance McManus became a general in the United States Army. > 3) Patrick Donahue became a general in the United States Army. > 4) Richard O'Gorman became governor of Newfoundland. [This is the one I > have heard the discord about.] > 5) Michael Ireland became attorney general of Australia > 6) Morris Lyene also became attorney general of Australia > 7) Thomas McGee became a member of Parliament in Canada and minister if > agriculture > 8) John Mitchell became a writer and prominent politician in New York, > fathering a son who became mayor of New York. > This episode is but a microcosm of the past tragedy of Ireland and the > gain of the rest of the world during the oppression of Ireland. And what > of the future? ... >> > So will just say what this reference is, its a fun little book about the > author's research into a potential ancestor. The author's mother said they > were related to the Galloping Hogan. This book is hardly any kind of > primary source, like I said, just a fun read. > It is: > 'The Quest for the Galloping Hogan, A man of Irish parentage seeks the > truth about a legendary ancestor and finds the Irish soul' by Matthew J. > Culligan-Hogan, ISBN 0-517-53665-X > > This book also has the famous Thomas Meagher court-side speech that is > often quoted just before the above treatment: > < > The spokesman, Thomas Meagher, said, "My Lord, this is our first offense, > but not our last. If you will be easy with us this once, we promise on > our word as gentlemen to do better next time. Sure, we won't be fools > enough to get caught." >> > That's all I have to add to this growing controversy. Jeanine seems to > have started it here. (LOL) > > Best regards, > > Jim McNamara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dr. Jane Lyons > To: jeanine ; y-irl@yahoogroups.com ; MK Douglas > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:25 PM > Subject: Young Irelanders : Re: [Y-IRL] Non Gen...The Nine Convicts > > > <SNIPPED> > > Being hanged, drrawn and quartered did happen lots and heads re hung on > poles and things > > This lot were hanged........ > > I'm sure drawing and quartering was part of the deal > http://www.from-ireland.net/censussubs/fer/hangings1641.htm > > Jane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MK Douglas" <rkdoug2000@yahoo.com> > To: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com>; <y-irl@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Y-IRL] Non Gen...The Nine Convicts > > Check message # 28688 by Dan Donahue--there are some errors here. > > > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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