NO wonder i can't find my O'Gormans they must be myth inclind..too.. Perhaps that's why there isn't a Richard among the Aussie OG's ---- Original Message ----- From: "padraigogealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Young Irelanders : Re: [Y-IRL] Non Gen...TheNineConvicts > Krikey! we seem to be back on the myth that O'Gorman was a Governor of > Newfoundland. How did that resurrection make its way to IRL-CLARE? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net> > To: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com>; <y-irl@yahoogroups.com>; "MK > Douglas" > <rkdoug2000@yahoo.com>; "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie>; > <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Young Irelanders : Re: [Y-IRL] Non Gen...The > NineConvicts > > >> Hi Jane, >> >> Am getting confused here, which lot were hanged? Not the 'nine convicts' >> the 'young Irelanders' ? Or is it just the lot on your site at the >> referenced URL? >> >> I do have an obscure reference, to which some misinformation may have >> been >> my fault, as this reference is just the author's writings based on his >> research. On the IRL-Clare list, someone said they wished they knew who >> was responsible for this one bit of mis-information on the Internet... >> >> ... and were referring to Richard O'Gorman becoming called a Governor of >> Newfoundland, and then in the next breath vehemently expressing that >> Richard O'Gorman has never went to Newfoundland. And I do see what seem >> to be some of my letters reposted as from another person, and I should >> emphasize the 'seem to be' part, as if one has the same book, then the >> reference might very well have been just quoted again. >> >> Anyway, this little book I refer to, is an old book published in 1979. >> It >> seems I caused some great guffaws when I quoted from this book Judge >> William Hughes Mulligan's St Patrick's Day tongue-in-cheek speech about >> how Christopher Columbus was really an Irishman named Lynch. It was the >> opening to his chapter entitled "The Runaround in Rome" and was a bit of >> payback to what the author considered his poor treatment at the hands of >> the Vatican archivists. One way to get even so to speak poorly of >> Italians, a payback for one repository preventing his access to research >> materials that would confirm that many priests went to Italy from Ireland >> after Cromwell's arrival. >> [also note: someone was so impressed with this letter of mine, that >> without asking they made it into a website. The website was just a >> reprint of my letter to Ireland-L@rootsweb.com. This site has finally >> been taken down.] >> >> Anyway, this book also has the story of how the Queen was advised that >> Sir >> Charles Duffy who was elected prime minister of the province of Victoria >> was among the men accused of taking part in an armed uprising, the very >> group she pardoned. (I am paraphrasing here so hope I am not changing >> the >> story.) At this bit of information she allegedly asked to investigate >> what became of the other eight people. At this point the book does a run >> down on how successful these people were, at how short sighted the >> English >> were to let such great people go. One of the people is the one I am sure >> I am the one guilty of spreading the mis-information, (if it is untrue), >> but it is what is in this book, I did not make it up, and that is about >> Richard O'Gorman. So far I have ducked this issue with my silence. <VBG> >> Anyway, here is a rundown from this book of the remaining eight: >> < >> 1) Thomas Meagher became governor of Montana, and he was a general during >> the American Civil War, >> 2) Terrance McManus became a general in the United States Army. >> 3) Patrick Donahue became a general in the United States Army. >> 4) Richard O'Gorman became governor of Newfoundland. [This is the one I >> have heard the discord about.] >> 5) Michael Ireland became attorney general of Australia >> 6) Morris Lyene also became attorney general of Australia >> 7) Thomas McGee became a member of Parliament in Canada and minister if >> agriculture >> 8) John Mitchell became a writer and prominent politician in New York, >> fathering a son who became mayor of New York. >> This episode is but a microcosm of the past tragedy of Ireland and the >> gain of the rest of the world during the oppression of Ireland. And what >> of the future? ... >>> >> So will just say what this reference is, its a fun little book about the >> author's research into a potential ancestor. The author's mother said >> they >> were related to the Galloping Hogan. This book is hardly any kind of >> primary source, like I said, just a fun read. >> It is: >> 'The Quest for the Galloping Hogan, A man of Irish parentage seeks the >> truth about a legendary ancestor and finds the Irish soul' by Matthew J. >> Culligan-Hogan, ISBN 0-517-53665-X >> >> This book also has the famous Thomas Meagher court-side speech that is >> often quoted just before the above treatment: >> < >> The spokesman, Thomas Meagher, said, "My Lord, this is our first offense, >> but not our last. If you will be easy with us this once, we promise on >> our word as gentlemen to do better next time. Sure, we won't be fools >> enough to get caught." >>> >> That's all I have to add to this growing controversy. Jeanine seems to >> have started it here. (LOL) >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jim McNamara >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dr. Jane Lyons >> To: jeanine ; y-irl@yahoogroups.com ; MK Douglas >> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:25 PM >> Subject: Young Irelanders : Re: [Y-IRL] Non Gen...The Nine Convicts >> >> >> <SNIPPED> >> >> Being hanged, drrawn and quartered did happen lots and heads re hung on >> poles and things >> >> This lot were hanged........ >> >> I'm sure drawing and quartering was part of the deal >> http://www.from-ireland.net/censussubs/fer/hangings1641.htm >> >> Jane >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MK Douglas" <rkdoug2000@yahoo.com> >> To: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com>; <y-irl@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Y-IRL] Non Gen...The Nine Convicts >> >> Check message # 28688 by Dan Donahue--there are some errors here. >> >> >> >> __._,_.___ >> Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic >> Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | >> Calendar >> >> Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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