Ray, Remember that this was a time of enormous social movement. During the latter part of those 30 years a very large part of the population emigrated, voluntarily or otherwise, moved to the workhouse, or died of hunger and/or disease and/or exhaustion. Of those who survived or remained, many were unable to pay the rents of their lands and were thrown off them or found a landlord down the road who was offering a better deal that week. Hence the differences between the Tithes and Griffiths. The Tithe Applotment listed the - townland - names of Occupiers - Quantities in Detail (acres, roods and perches) - Quality (arable, inferior arable, rocky pasture, turbary, etc) - Total Quantity in Holding - Total Quantity in Townland - Rents Paid - Real Acreable Value Landlords' names were noted in the 'Townland' column on the left of the page. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rfitzg@aol.com Sent: 01 October 2006 03:25 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Tithe Applotment vs. Griffith Valuation In looking at land records in both the Tithe Applotment and the Griffith's Valuation Survey, I find that the listed acreage on the land occupied differs significantly. I realize that the two surveys was taken thirty years apart, but the many of the same families appear in both. I also realize there could have been aggregation or dis-aggregation of land "holdings" among occupiers, but in the case of my ancestors' townland (Ballyvoughallan in Killeely parish in Clare) the size went from 20 acres to 173 acres and my family was the only one listed on that townland in both records. I noticed similar differences in my other ancestors townland in Co. Limerick as well. Does anyone know if the acreage in the Tithe Applotment was the full acreage of the farm or only a designated portion (e.g., quality, living quarters)? Ray FitzGerald Researching CHERRY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message