Robert, The Tubber toponyms and microtoponyms are a little confusing but have to be understood if trying to trace families in the area. "Tubber" refers to (a) a parish and (b) a vaguely defined area of 3-5 miles radius which is centred on the Tubber church* and which straddles the Clare-Galway border. Its location has also been defined over the years by the site of the Tubber post office. The latter used to be next to the church ( = in County Clare) but then moved a few hundred yards along the Gort road into County Galway. Thus letters to Tubber were addressed to "Tubber, Co.Clare" or "Tubber, Co.Galway", depending on the era. Now there is no longer a post office in Tubber so one can take one's pick of the counties (the letter will get there anyway from the post office in Gort). The part of Tubber which lies in Co. Galway is - now things get confusing - not in the parish of Tubber but in the parish of Beagh. Thus people who live in, for example, the townland of Gortavoher in the parish of Beagh in Co.Galway refere to themselves as being ".....from Tubber......". Records of Tubber families who live(d) in the Tubber townlands just over the Galway border may be found in the Beagh parish records. And - here comes the good news - thanks to Cathy Joynt Labath loads of Beagh data is online ( see http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/index.htm ). Tubber family and local historians have two well-thumbed manuals on their bookshelves. They are required reading. They are - The Parish of Kilkeedy, edited by Frank Brew, and - Beagh, A History and Heritage, edited by Marie McNamara and Maura Madden. I hope this clarifies things, ha ha. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) * The pedant would point out that this geographical area is centred, not on the church, but on the holy well of Tobereendoney which gives Tubber its name (tobar = well, in Irish). The well is situated a few hundred yards from the church, immediately to the left of the Gort road. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Kennedy Sent: 03 January 2007 07:12 To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Kilkelly families I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I should have added, "are there any Greene or Maley families, currently there?" -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Casey Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:34 AM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Kilkelly families Robert, The Tubber toponyms and microtoponyms are a little confusing but have to be understood if trying to trace families in the area. "Tubber" refers to (a) a parish and (b) a vaguely defined area of 3-5 miles radius which is centred on the Tubber church* and which straddles the Clare-Galway border. Its location has also been defined over the years by the site of the Tubber post office. The latter used to be next to the church ( = in County Clare) but then moved a few hundred yards along the Gort road into County Galway. Thus letters to Tubber were addressed to "Tubber, Co.Clare" or "Tubber, Co.Galway", depending on the era. Now there is no longer a post office in Tubber so one can take one's pick of the counties (the letter will get there anyway from the post office in Gort). The part of Tubber which lies in Co. Galway is - now things get confusing - not in the parish of Tubber but in the parish of Beagh. Thus people who live in, for example, the townland of Gortavoher in the parish of Beagh in Co.Galway refere to themselves as being ".....from Tubber......". Records of Tubber families who live(d) in the Tubber townlands just over the Galway border may be found in the Beagh parish records. And - here comes the good news - thanks to Cathy Joynt Labath loads of Beagh data is online ( see http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/index.htm ). Tubber family and local historians have two well-thumbed manuals on their bookshelves. They are required reading. They are - The Parish of Kilkeedy, edited by Frank Brew, and - Beagh, A History and Heritage, edited by Marie McNamara and Maura Madden. I hope this clarifies things, ha ha. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) * The pedant would point out that this geographical area is centred, not on the church, but on the holy well of Tobereendoney which gives Tubber its name (tobar = well, in Irish). The well is situated a few hundred yards from the church, immediately to the left of the Gort road. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Kennedy Sent: 03 January 2007 07:12 To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Kilkelly families I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) I am searching for the location of a family in Co. Galway, but suspect = that there may be a Clare connection. My gr.-grandfather, Michael Kennedy, was said to have been born = somewhere in Galway about 1836. He emigrated to Australia in 1857. His = parents were Michael (again) Kennedy, and Margaret Kennedy, born = Kilkelly. An informant on the Galway Rootsweb site told me that there had been = Kilkellys in the parish of Tubber in Clare, adjoining Galway. Some land in that area was transferred from Galway to Clare in the late = nineteenth century. These two facts are both of interest in my quest. Does anyone have = access to data from Tubber records that could show any Kennedy/ Kilkelly = marriage, or births/baptisms for the children of such a couple? = (Probably in the eighteen-thirties.)=20 I think that Tubber, as a parish name, has been changed to something = like Kilisheedy. Robert Kennedy (Takaka, New Zealand) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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