Hi all, I’m resending this because my “smiley” emoticons were rejected and the post was subsequently rejected. Hope this one works! From: Elizabeth Andrews Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Brickwall in Scariff, County Clare. Hello all, I don’t post very often but would welcome some input seeing as I intend to visit County Clare (hopefully) in the next few months. My G.Grandmother Cath. Gorman said she came from Scariff, County Clare. She married my G.Grandfather in Victoria, Wedderburn, Australian Goldfields circa 1870. There was a discrepancy in having children and being married, possibly due to the lack of clergy at the time or so we like to think. Having tracked her back through the internet, I arrived at the Tithe Applotment records for Fossabeg, Tuomgraney where I found that Hugh Gorman, Cath’s father shared a plot with 15 others. Hugh was married to Honora ?McArtney (or variants in spelling). They weren’t exactly “landed gentry”. My basic query is – how did she come to Australia. I have searched the Irish Orphan database and the “Bride Ships” to no avail, or maybe I’ve missed something. Is it possible that she could have gone to the New World then found her way to Australia during the Goldrush? Are there records in the Clare Library that could help me? Thanks in advance, Elizabeth Andrews.

Hi Elizabeth, Have you got the death certificate for your g-grandmother? That will give you the length of time she lived in Australia. As she lived in Victoria it is likely she arrived here. Next go to PROV website & see what possibles there are for assisted and/or unassisted passengers. If you find a likely one then you can go to to PROV in North Melbourne & see what extra information is on the shipping list. Assisted lists will give a county whereas UNassisted gives less info usually just a country. Regards Brenda ________________________________ From: Elizabeth Andrews My G.Grandmother Cath. Gorman said she came from Scariff, County Clare. She married my G.Grandfather in Victoria, Wedderburn, Australian Goldfields circa 1870. There was a discrepancy in having children and being married, possibly due to the lack of clergy at the time or so we like to think. Having tracked her back through the internet, I arrived at the Tithe Applotment records for Fossabeg, Tuomgraney where I found that Hugh Gorman, Cath’s father shared a plot with 15 others. Hugh was married to Honora ?McArtney (or variants in spelling). They weren’t exactly “landed gentry”. My basic query is – how did she come to Australia. I have searched the Irish Orphan database and the “Bride Ships” to no avail, or maybe I’ve missed something. Is it possible that she could have gone to the New World then found her way to Australia during the Goldrush? Are there records in the Clare Library that could help me? Thanks in advance, Elizabeth Andrews. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am hopeful someone can shed some additional light on my brick wall of 25 years. Here is what I know - Stephen McMahon married Anne Lyddy on May 17, 1837 in the presence of Michael McMahon and Dennis Spellecy, in the Diocese of Killoloe, Parish of Drumcliffe (1) Stephen McMahon, about age 40, immigrated on 7/20/1846 on the ship Siddons, from Liverpool to New York, settling in Collinsville, CT. (2) Ann McMahon, about age 30; Mary McMahon, age 9; and Michael McMahon, age 6, immigrated on 10/28/1850, on the ship Forest Queen, from Liverpool to New York, settling in Collinsville (3). (1) = Microfilm Pos. 2472 (Irish National Museum) verified with original church records, SS Peter and Paul, Ennis, Co. Clare. (2) = Ancestry.com -ship records (3)= Ancestry.com ship records and "Famine Immigrants", Vol. 6, pg 349 NOT VERIFIED INFORMATION 1. Death cerficate for Mary McMahon (Murray) indicates date of birth as Feb. 17, 1840 and her mother as Nancy Liddy. 2. Family history claimed she was Nancy Ann Lyddy. 3. My Aunt wrote a letter in 1997 or so when she was about 95 but of clear faculties, that Stephen McMahon had a job in Ennis with a utilities company; and Ann McMahon owned her own little shop on the main street in Ennis. She visited Ennis several times but does not say in what years. 4. The Ennis directories do not show a shop owned by Ann Lyddy or Ann McMahon; they do not show a Utilities Company. 5. During my recent trip, I visited with Sean Spellissy, the Book Gallery, Ennis, who has written a number of books on early Ennis. He looked in his "Merchants of Ennis" and his "Ennis Compendium" withour success. He speculated that the shop might have been on Gaol Street. He was unaware of a utilites company but thought Insurance Companies were sometimes referred to as utilities. 6. Stephen McMahon worked as an Ax maker at the Collinsville Ax Company but my aunt reports he was an educated man and taught his daughter at home. 7. Ann Lyddy McMahon was a staunch Catholic. 8. A Catherine McMahon was born to a Stephen McMahon and Ann Liddy, baptised at SS Peter and Paul on Oct. 5, 1846. Dave Spang www.spanggenealogy.com