Pat - I see that you found their marriage in the indexes at FreeBMD, with an odd spelling of Carmody, If you can get your friend to make another trip for you, the actual marriage record will have their fathers' names which will help in your Irish search. It would also tell who performed the marriage and there is a slim chance that the church record would include the mothers' names. Also, I noticed that the other couple whose marriage was on page 17 was a Patrick Courtney and Julia Pyne. I'm not a great believer in coincidences so I have to believe that Patrick was some relation of Joanna's, probably her brother. I would order a copy of his marriage record as well to confirm this. If it's true, you would now have a father's name and the names of two children, making the search in Ireland a little more specific. I did a quick check of the English census records for Patrick and Julia Courtney. In the 1881 census, they both say they were born in Cork, Ireland. Their census records are a little odd, in 1861 Julia is not with the family, in 1871 and 1891 Patrick is not with the family. I think that in 1891 I found him as a patient in a hospital in Richmond. Good luck, Theresa Liewer In a message dated 6/3/2011 4:53:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: i just found out within last month my great grandfather, born in Cork, (possibly Kanturk /Kilbrin area) in 1825, and emmigrated to Middlesex England in 1850s. He married a Johanna Cortney/Courtney In England in 1857, but supposed b. 1826,Cork. Any help on either name appreciated. They died in 1903& 1905 in Bethnal Green, Midddlesex. Thats all the info I have. ====================================== Remember to stay on Topic. If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message