Sorry Joan...There are two more films to cover then entire time frame from 1856 to 1938. So... 819464 and the next two. v. 1. Kilrush Electoral Division continued. Family History Library BRITISH Film 819465 v. 1. Kilrush Electoral Division continued. Family History Library BRITISH Film 819466 Christina Christina Hunt wrote: > Joan, > This is the continuation of Griffiths Valuations: > v. 1. Kilrush Electoral Division, 1856-1938. Killimer Parish townlands: > Ballymacrinan, Carrowdotia North, Carrowdotia South, Clooneylissaun, > Dysert. Kilrush Parish townlands: Ballymacurtaun, Ballynote East, > Ballynote West, Ballyurra, Cappagh, Carnaun, Carrowncalla North, -1938 > Carrowncalla South, Drimna, Durha, Feagarroge, Kilrush, Leadmore East, > Leadmore West, Moanmore Lower, Moanmore North, Moanmore South, Moanmore > Upper, Moyne. Islands in the River Shannon: Illaunaclaggin, Illaunaclea, > Inishbig or Hog, Scattery. Town of Kilrush. > > Family History Library BRITISH Film #819464 (Can be ordered through your > local Family History Center (Mormon) > Christina > > Joan Birtles wrote: >> Hi Christina >> >> >> >> Coming in a bit late regarding the census records for Co Clare that are >> available on IGP but were there any census records for the town of >> Kilrush >> after the Griffiths please? >> >> >> -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

Joan, This is the continuation of Griffiths Valuations: v. 1. Kilrush Electoral Division, 1856-1938. Killimer Parish townlands: Ballymacrinan, Carrowdotia North, Carrowdotia South, Clooneylissaun, Dysert. Kilrush Parish townlands: Ballymacurtaun, Ballynote East, Ballynote West, Ballyurra, Cappagh, Carnaun, Carrowncalla North, Carrowncalla South, Drimna, Durha, Feagarroge, Kilrush, Leadmore East, Leadmore West, Moanmore Lower, Moanmore North, Moanmore South, Moanmore Upper, Moyne. Islands in the River Shannon: Illaunaclaggin, Illaunaclea, Inishbig or Hog, Scattery. Town of Kilrush. Family History Library BRITISH Film #819464 (Can be ordered through your local Family History Center (Mormon) Christina Joan Birtles wrote: > Hi Christina > > > > Coming in a bit late regarding the census records for Co Clare that are > available on IGP but were there any census records for the town of Kilrush > after the Griffiths please? > > >

Diane / Christina, Thank you both for your authorative replies. While I know a fair bit about Australian resources, I rely heavily on people like you, when it comes to Ireland and especially Clare. I was a regular at my nearby LDS centre until it was closed down a couple of years ago. I will have to look further afield. I made contact with an O'Brien researcher who has found some names in baptism sponsors of the children of above, which I'm keen to follow up. Many thanks Peter in Sydney

With the new year approaching it is time to refresh my interests in Miltown Malbay. I am leading the Corbett One Name Study (GOONS registered) and have a particular interest in Corbetts in Breaffa, Miltown Malbay. My associated families are O'Connor, Howard, Nevil and all variations in spelling. Please enjoy using the scanned images of the 1839 Parish Census of Miltown Malbay and if anyone has copies of additional pages kindly contribute them. I am really looking forward to seeing the "Cancelled Books" that Christina has obtained. Happy New Year. Gordon Corbett Northumberland, England

Thanks! Sent from my iPad On Dec 27, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Christina Hunt <filidh1@att.net> wrote: > Judie, > I think this is the 1839 Parish Census of Miltown Malbay. There are a few > parish censuses but not easy to locate. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/clare/census.htm > > Chris > > Judith Mason wrote: >> For Peter - I believe in one post you mentioned the 1839 census. Can you tell me where this is available? > =========================== > Try http://www.google.ie/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane & Christina, Thank you both for your interest. I have the data from 1839 census as well as 1901 and 1911. As 1839 says West Side of Main Street, I've been trying to work out how to prove 1901 is possibly the same location. I've never heard of Revised Valuations. What year are they? Can you only order films from LDS? We in Australia are spoiled by the wealth of data on death certificates which includes spouse details and names and ages of children. If only Irish research was so simple. Peter

Judie, I think this is the 1839 Parish Census of Miltown Malbay. There are a few parish censuses but not easy to locate. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/clare/census.htm Chris Judith Mason wrote: > For Peter - I believe in one post you mentioned the 1839 census. Can you tell me where this is available?

Christine, That's OK. I do it all the time. Answer first and then re-read the message. It was hard to tell if Miltown Malbay was in Kilrush or Ennistimon Registration District. It seems to be right on the border. And I couldn't find any site to get an authorative result. Assuming parents were alive at the time of 1864 marriage I'm working through possible deaths. For example, Family Search has only five possible deaths for Thomas Sullivan in Ennistimon between 1864 and 1900, and three are too young to be the father of James Sullivan. So I'm left with two possibilities, one died 1876 age 73 and the other died 1889 aged 75. But even then, when I look at the data on an Irish Death Certificate, it wouldn't give his spouse or any other family details. The only clue may be the informant. And how much would it cost? Do you have any suggestions? I see too that Tombstone Inscriptions for Miltown Malbay only cover Church of Ireland. Peter

Christina, Thanks for your interest. As I said in my post, I had been given that marriage and told fathers were Thomas Sullivan and Michael O'Brien. The problem is how to progress it to the next stage and find the mothers' names, families, residences etc. I presume all parents were alive at the time of the marriage in 1864, so should appear in Civil Death records on Family Search. But I need mother's names even for that. Can you confirm Milltown Malbay is in Ennistimon registration district? That might be a clue where to look. Thanks Peter

Hello everyone, I'm finding this conversation quite interesting and thought I'd add my two cents worth. I found the 1841 & 1851 census search forms at the County Clare website very helpful. I think they might also be called the census blue sheets, possibly green sheets - can't recall the color :) Hope this will be helpful to others. For Peter - I believe in one post you mentioned the 1839 census. Can you tell me where this is available? I'm grateful to everyone on this list for their help, especially you, Christina! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all! Judie Mason Chicago On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote: > Revised Valuations or Canceled books carries on where Griffiths is thought to > have stopped. But it didn't. These books show the head of household as they > moved and died over a period of time. When there was a change the name is > scratched out and the new tenant is added. > You may get a widow added when her son dies. Or other family members. > It is not conclusive and the best you might get is the wife's first name. > > We need something new to transcribe for IGP so I ordered the cancelled book > covering the town of Miltown Malbay and some townlands. So, we shall see if any > clues turn up. > > Christina > > > Peter R Booth wrote: >> Diane& Christina, >> >> Thank you both for your interest. >> >> I have the data from 1839 census as well as 1901 and 1911. As 1839 >> says West Side of Main Street, I've been trying to work out how to prove >> 1901 is possibly the same location. >> >> I've never heard of Revised Valuations. What year are they? Can you only >> order films from LDS? >> >> We in Australia are spoiled by the wealth of data on death certificates >> which includes spouse details and names and ages of children. If only Irish >> research was so simple. >> >> Peter >> >> >> =========================== >> Try http://www.google.ie/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =========================== > Try http://www.google.ie/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After Griffith's was done in the 1850s and 1860s, the land valuations were regularly updated or revised, going up to the 1930s. They're organized by union (Ennistimon in this case), then electoral division (Milltown Malbay), then civil parish (Kilfarboy) and townland (Milltown Malbay town, Legard North and South, Main Street). Milltown Malbay is on films 818434 and 818435. The oldest revised valuations are basically a handwritten version of Griffith's with names lined out and changes written in as the land changed hands, usually with a date. Multiple changes were made over the years in different color inks (not much help on microfilm!), and when a page became hard to read, a new page was created. 818434 will begin with an index of all the townlands in Milltown Malbay division, beginning with Kilfarboy parish and ending with one townland from Kilmurry. That will be followed by the first round of revisions for all the townlands in order, then the second round, etc. (Actually, it's been a while since I've looked at the revisions, and it may be that the latest revisions appear first, rather than the earliest, but the order will quickly become apparent.) Milltown Malbay town should immediately follow Poulawillin townland, according to the index. Depending on where the film breaks, you may not need to look at 818435. After finding one round of changes for Main Street, you'll need to skip many pages ahead for the next round, keeping in mind Milltown Malbay will always follow Poulawillin. I'd suggest you print out all the pages for Milltown Malbay town, Legard North and South, Main Street, for future reference, as it can be hard to make sense of the revisions when you first look at them, especially if they're heavily revised. You should be able to create a trail from either Michael O'Brien or John Sullivan to James Sullivan. If Michael O'Brien's shop first passed to Mrs. O'Brien, you might get her first name. Also, the date of transfer could lead you to his death record, which should tell you if he was a widower and who reported his death, both possibly useful clues. Good luck! Diane v. 18. Milltownmalbay (also spelled Milltown Malbay) Electoral Division, 1856-1934. Kilfarboy Parish townlands: Breaffy North, Breaffy South, Carrowkeel, Cloonbony, Dough, Glendine South, Illaun, Kilcorcoran, Leagard North, Leagard South, Poulawillin. Milltown Malbay Town. Kilmurry Parish townland: Knockloskeraun. Family History Library BRITISH Film 818434 v. 18. Milltownmalbay Electoral Division (cont.). -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-clare <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Parents of James SULLIVAN & Mary O'BRIEN m 1864 Milltown Malbay Diane & Christina, Thank you both for your interest. I have the data from 1839 census as well as 1901 and 1911. As 1839 says West Side of Main Street, I've been trying to work out how to prove 1901 is possibly the same location. I've never heard of Revised Valuations. What year are they? Can you only order films from LDS? We in Australia are spoiled by the wealth of data on death certificates which includes spouse details and names and ages of children. If only Irish research was so simple. Peter =========================== Try http://www.google.ie/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane, Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately both your suggestions seem to involve very expensive research which I cannot afford. I'd be happy to pay for the odd certificate if I could be sure it had the required data, but I paid for one in Ireland only to be told the parents had the same surname as the bride and groom. I could have guessed that much and saved the money. Peter

Revised Valuations or Canceled books carries on where Griffiths is thought to have stopped. But it didn't. These books show the head of household as they moved and died over a period of time. When there was a change the name is scratched out and the new tenant is added. You may get a widow added when her son dies. Or other family members. It is not conclusive and the best you might get is the wife's first name. We need something new to transcribe for IGP so I ordered the cancelled book covering the town of Miltown Malbay and some townlands. So, we shall see if any clues turn up. Christina Peter R Booth wrote: > Diane& Christina, > > Thank you both for your interest. > > I have the data from 1839 census as well as 1901 and 1911. As 1839 > says West Side of Main Street, I've been trying to work out how to prove > 1901 is possibly the same location. > > I've never heard of Revised Valuations. What year are they? Can you only > order films from LDS? > > We in Australia are spoiled by the wealth of data on death certificates > which includes spouse details and names and ages of children. If only Irish > research was so simple. > > Peter > > > =========================== > Try http://www.google.ie/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, Have you looked at the parish census for Miltown Malbay? http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/clare/census/1839-miltown-malbay.txt There is a Michael married to ___ Fox 9 Michael O'BRIEN (Head) S Maid O FOX Wife w O O'BRIEN Child O O'BRIEN Child and 16 Michael O'BRIEN (Head) Mary HURLEY Wife w John O'BRIEN Child Daniel O'BRIEN Child Terry O'BRIEN Child Nelly O'BRIEN Child No Thomas or Tom Sullivan but there is a John Sullivan as Diane said. Do you know the witnesses names? Chris Peter R Booth wrote: > Christine, > > That's OK. I do it all the time. Answer first and then re-read the > message. > > It was hard to tell if Miltown Malbay was in Kilrush or Ennistimon > Registration District. It seems to be right on the border. And I couldn't > find any site to get an authorative result. > > Assuming parents were alive at the time of 1864 marriage I'm working > through possible deaths. For example, Family Search has only five possible > deaths for Thomas Sullivan in Ennistimon between 1864 and 1900, and three > are too young to be the father of James Sullivan. > > So I'm left with two possibilities, one died 1876 age 73 and the other > died 1889 aged 75. But even then, when I look at the data on an Irish Death > Certificate, it wouldn't give his spouse or any other family details. The > only clue may be the informant. And how much would it cost? > > Do you have any suggestions? > > I see too that Tombstone Inscriptions for Miltown Malbay only cover > Church of Ireland. > > Peter > > =========================== > Try http://www.google.ie/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

Peter, there are more roundabout routes you might take that would involve time but not much money. In the 1901 and 1911 census Thomas and Mary lived on Main Street in Miltown Malbay, probably in a shop they inherited from one of their parents. He was a retired shoemaker in 1901, a shop proprietor in 1911. The Griffith's Valuation index shows three Michael O'Briens in Miltown Malbay, including one on Main Street, as well as a John Sullivan on Main Street (possibly an uncle or brother of James's). You could get the revised valuations for Miltown Malbay (filmed by the LDS) and see whom the Sullivan and O'Brien shops passed on to. With luck, one shop went to a widow before passing on to James and Mary, and then you'd at least have a given name for one mother. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-clare <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Parents of James SULLIVAN & Mary O'BRIEN m 1864 Milltown Malbay Diane, Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately both your suggestions seem to involve very expensive research which I cannot afford. I'd be happy to pay for the odd certificate if I could be sure it had the required data, but I paid for one in Ireland only to be told the parents had the same surname as the bride and groom. I could have guessed that much and saved the money. Peter =========================== Try http://www.google.ie/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry. I jumped the gun. Yes the Reg. Dist. for Miltown Malbay is Ennistimon. Chris Peter R Booth wrote: > Christina, > > Thanks for your interest. > > As I said in my post, I had been given that marriage and told fathers > were Thomas Sullivan and Michael O'Brien. The problem is how to progress it > to the next stage and find the mothers' names, families, residences etc. > > I presume all parents were alive at the time of the marriage in 1864, so > should appear in Civil Death records on Family Search. But I need mother's > names even for that. > > Can you confirm Milltown Malbay is in Ennistimon registration district? > That might be a clue where to look. > > Thanks > > Peter > > =========================== > Try http://www.google.ie/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter...from Civil Registration index on Ancestry: Name: Mary O'Brien Date of Registration: 1864 Registration district: Ennistimon Volume: 4 Page: 300 (click to see others on page) Name: James Sullivan Date of Registration: 1864 Registration district: Ennistimon Volume: 4 Page: 300 (click to see others on page) So both on page 300. View Record Patrick Burke 1864 Ennistimon View Record Michael Downes 1864 Ennistimon View Record Anne Fitzpatrick 1864 Ennistimon View Record Nancy Garrahy 1864 Ennistimon View Record Bridget M'Inerny 1864 Ennistimon View Record Mary O'Brien 1864 Ennistimon* View Record Michael O'Brien 1864 Ennistimon View Record James Sullivan 1864 Ennistimon* So, I would think it likely that if you order the cert for James Sullivan and this is correct, you will get the names of the fathers. Then you will be half way to finding the mothers too. Church records don't always name the parents but Civil Registration should give you the fathers. Christina Peter R Booth wrote: > Diane, > > Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately both your suggestions seem to > involve very expensive research which I cannot afford. > > I'd be happy to pay for the odd certificate if I could be sure it had > the required data, but I paid for one in Ireland only to be told the parents > had the same surname as the bride and groom. I could have guessed that much > and saved the money. >

List, I have 62 of 64 Great x 4 grandparents of my children. Mothers of the above are the only two missing. I've been given that James Sullivan married Mary O'Brien on 9th Feb 1864 in Milltown Malbay. His father was Thomas Sullivan. Her father was Michael O'Brien. But I don't have the mothers. From 1901 census, James Sullivan was born c1838 and Mary O'Brien c1846. I'd love to hear from anybody who can identify with these families or suggest where records could be found that might reveal the mothers' names. Peter in Sydney

And I'd like to say Merry Christmas to you too Christina, and to all listers. Thank you to you and a number of others on these lists who do so much to share and to help us in our searches. Not naming other names in case I miss someone. Christmas Blessings to you all. Kind regards Pam At 23-12-2012 04:44 p.m. -0500, Christina Hunt wrote: >I just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas. All the lists I >admin are the >very best lists. :) An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ.

First, 62 of 64 is great! I'm assuming you've checked the Catholic marriage record for James and Mary and not found the mothers' names. Have you also looked for the baptisms of James and Mary? Clare Heritage Center and the National Library both have Miltown Malbay baptisms beginning in 1831. If you don't find them there, check adjacent parishes. If that doesn't work, I had luck tracing one ancestor by looking for marriage and death records for her children who emigrated. One son, brother of my grgrandfather, married in Illinois and gave both his parents' names. (Still hope to find one last grgrgrandmother that way.) Diane -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-clare <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 1:05 am Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Parents of James SULLIVAN & Mary O'BRIEN m 1864 Milltown Malbay List, I have 62 of 64 Great x 4 grandparents of my children. Mothers of the above are the only two missing. I've been given that James Sullivan married Mary O'Brien on 9th Feb 1864 in Milltown Malbay. His father was Thomas Sullivan. Her father was Michael O'Brien. But I don't have the mothers. From 1901 census, James Sullivan was born c1838 and Mary O'Brien c1846. I'd love to hear from anybody who can identify with these families or suggest where records could be found that might reveal the mothers' names. Peter in Sydney =========================== Try http://www.google.ie/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message