Not sure how this digest works and how I can get my query up, so I will put up following and look for advice. Thanks to Peter Berne I am looking for Patrick Maly (O'MEALLEY, O'Malley..) and Mary D'arcy. Found them and Darby (believe this is our Jeremiah) in Balyhigh near Killaloe christening records 1831 late last year. Jeremiah 1825 came to Australia around 1849. I strongly suspect, based on newspaper records, that he came with relatives. I believe his parents and two brothers Michael and Patrick came out to Adelaide South Australia with him. Have no proof as yet. Boys were bakers in pt Adelaide. Jerry married Margaret Moloney of Tipperary 1831. Her father, Michael, mother Margaret Boucher. (I suspect Margaret Moloney was also from near Killaloe /Ballina and that the families may have been know to each other?) . They married in Melbourne Victoria. In early 1850s. So the port they arrived at may not have been Adelaide. But they were in Adelaide by mid 1850s. Any links would be useful. Happy to look through records if it can be done online.... Catherine Heptinstall Sent from my iPad On 21/01/2013, at 6:30 PM, irl-clare-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > DELETE all extra text in the Digest > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 12 year old Mystery Immigrant (Declan Barron) > 2. Re: McGRATH & McNAMARA (Tony O'Grady) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:57:13 -0000 > From: "Declan Barron" <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] 12 year old Mystery Immigrant > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <8B1BDDE1C82D47FFB684624EB029CA4D@7a63037b45a747d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > My thoughs are that he might have travelled with a neighbour or friend of > the parents and met on his arrival by a relative, > Declan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:06:05 +1100 > From: "Tony O'Grady" <tonyogrady26@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] McGRATH & McNAMARA > To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <B3284C0C-826B-4BE4-9D50-3A71D1D06E13@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Pam, > > Sorry about the confusion, but during the exchanges on this inquiry the Christian names of my two ancestors were swapped. Ellen McGrath should have been Ellen McNamara. > > Thanks for your reply, > Tony > ...................................................................................................................... > On 20/01/2013, at 6:58 PM, Pam Dowling <iregenie@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Hi Tony, >> >> I might have a McGRATH connection, though I don't know that we'd ever >> prove it. >> >> My Ellen McGRATH married around 1830-ish John O'DEA .Kilrush PR's >> have a gap so I haven't found the marriage. I've found two daughters, >> Mary bp 1834 St Senan's and Bridget, bp 1839 St Senan's. >> >> Mary emigrated to Australia in 1855, marrying and living in the >> Illawarra area of NSW. Her mother, Ellen McGRATH, had died before then. >> >> Lots of gaps, I know. >> >> Kind regards >> Pam >> >> >> >> At 16-01-2013 10:29 a.m. +1100, you wrote: >>> Could anyone on the list offer me any suggestions or information on >>> the following? >>> >>> Anthony McGRATH and Ellen McNAMARA. >>> >>> They lived in Clare. The family belief is that it was Kilrush. >>> >>> They had five children who migrated to Australia in the 1850s and >>> married there. These were: >>> c.1819 Susan (m. William Doherty) >>> c.1820 Patrick (m. Catherine Normoyle) >>> c.1824 John (m. Mary Watson) >>> c.1830 Jane (m. John McNamara) >>> c.1838 Bridget (m. Michael O'Grady) >>> >>> It is believed that there were other children who went to the USA. >>> >>> Tony O'Grady >>> Melbourne. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CLARE list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CLARE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CLARE mailing list, send an email to IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 12 > ****************************************

First change the subject to include Noonan to catch people's attention. Secondly, I have Noonan's in Montreal in the 1850's. Two families, but they are only incidental to my searches, so I never delved into them too deeply. I have a Michael Noonan m. to Margaret Slattery, both b. about 1820. They had a large family born between 1858 and 1868 in Montreal. Also a Dennis Noonan and Jane Donnelly had a son John Myles Noonan b. 1868 in Montreal. It's possible your George Pierce did come over with an uncle and went on from there, so check Montreal or Quebec City as they were big arrival ports. Just a thought. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Loralee Wellington To: IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:26 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] 12 year old Mystery Immigrant I have been trying to solve a mystery for several years now, and thought perhaps one of you might come up with the creative idea that finally solves it. According to his obituary, my husband's gg grandfather, George Pierce Noonan, emigrated from Ireland in 1849 when he was 12 years old. The obituary says he went to Canada, and I know he ended up in California by 1852. Other family researchers have confirmed that he originally came from Co. Clare, and that his parents did not leave Ireland until later. He had younger siblings who came over later, but he seems to have been the oldest child, so he couldn't have travelled with an older sibling. It appears that he either travelled alone (not common at 12 years old, right?)or perhaps with distant relatives (aunt, uncle). I have not found a single trace of him on any ship's lists (and I've searched tons of them.), and have begun to seriously consider that he must have stowed away. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to figure this mystery out? Loralee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tony, Just curious as to whether you know anything more on your Ellen McNAMARA's family. I have a Mary McNAMARA m. Patrick FITZPATRICK before 1829 (est. from the age of her daugther, Eliza FITZPATRICK, given as 30 on the St. Louis, MO, USA 1860 cs). Eliza named her second daughter Mary Ellen-a twin to Ann Elizabeth. Other family names were: Patrick, George, Margaret and Richard Thomas. Jo Banks, researching COLLINS/PURCELL, FITZPATRICK,/McNAMARA and O'BRIEN from Co. Clare. (probably around Kilkee).

Hi Pam, Sorry about the confusion, but during the exchanges on this inquiry the Christian names of my two ancestors were swapped. Ellen McGrath should have been Ellen McNamara. Thanks for your reply, Tony ...................................................................................................................... On 20/01/2013, at 6:58 PM, Pam Dowling <iregenie@gmx.net> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I might have a McGRATH connection, though I don't know that we'd ever > prove it. > > My Ellen McGRATH married around 1830-ish John O'DEA .Kilrush PR's > have a gap so I haven't found the marriage. I've found two daughters, > Mary bp 1834 St Senan's and Bridget, bp 1839 St Senan's. > > Mary emigrated to Australia in 1855, marrying and living in the > Illawarra area of NSW. Her mother, Ellen McGRATH, had died before then. > > Lots of gaps, I know. > > Kind regards > Pam > > > > At 16-01-2013 10:29 a.m. +1100, you wrote: >> Could anyone on the list offer me any suggestions or information on >> the following? >> >> Anthony McGRATH and Ellen McNAMARA. >> >> They lived in Clare. The family belief is that it was Kilrush. >> >> They had five children who migrated to Australia in the 1850s and >> married there. These were: >> c.1819 Susan (m. William Doherty) >> c.1820 Patrick (m. Catherine Normoyle) >> c.1824 John (m. Mary Watson) >> c.1830 Jane (m. John McNamara) >> c.1838 Bridget (m. Michael O'Grady) >> >> It is believed that there were other children who went to the USA. >> >> Tony O'Grady >> Melbourne. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tony, I might have a McGRATH connection, though I don't know that we'd ever prove it. My Ellen McGRATH married around 1830-ish John O'DEA .Kilrush PR's have a gap so I haven't found the marriage. I've found two daughters, Mary bp 1834 St Senan's and Bridget, bp 1839 St Senan's. Mary emigrated to Australia in 1855, marrying and living in the Illawarra area of NSW. Her mother, Ellen McGRATH, had died before then. Lots of gaps, I know. Kind regards Pam At 16-01-2013 10:29 a.m. +1100, you wrote: >Could anyone on the list offer me any suggestions or information on >the following? > >Anthony McGRATH and Ellen McNAMARA. > >They lived in Clare. The family belief is that it was Kilrush. > >They had five children who migrated to Australia in the 1850s and >married there. These were: > c.1819 Susan (m. William Doherty) > c.1820 Patrick (m. Catherine Normoyle) > c.1824 John (m. Mary Watson) > c.1830 Jane (m. John McNamara) > c.1838 Bridget (m. Michael O'Grady) > >It is believed that there were other children who went to the USA. > >Tony O'Grady >Melbourne. > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ.

Hi Loralee, I'd say in those times it'd be pretty normal for a 12 year old to be out and earning to try and help the family. Are you sure the parents were both still living when he left Ireland? Could be that they hoped he could make enough money in the New World to send back and keep the family going? Perhaps he worked his passage as a cabin boy or sailor's dogsbody (I can't think of the term I want), his name probably not recorded anywhere? Perhaps not all immigration or passenger lists survived? Perhaps you just haven't looked at the right one? In genealogy, there are many mysteries that just don't ever get solved. <LOL> Kind regards Pam An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ. At 19-01-2013 10:26 p.m. -0800, you wrote: > I have been trying to solve a mystery for several years now, and > thought perhaps one of you might come up with the creative idea > that finally solves it. > According to his obituary, my husband's gg grandfather, George > Pierce Noonan, emigrated from Ireland in 1849 when he was 12 years > old. The obituary says he went to Canada, and I know he ended up in > California by 1852. Other family researchers have confirmed that he > originally came from Co. Clare, and that his parents did not leave > Ireland until later. He had younger siblings who came over later, > but he seems to have been the oldest child, so he couldn't have > travelled with an older sibling. It appears that he either > travelled alone (not common at 12 years old, right?)or perhaps with > distant relatives (aunt, uncle). > I have not found a single trace of him on any ship's lists (and > I've searched tons of them.), and have begun to seriously consider > that he must have stowed away. Does anyone have any suggestions > about how to figure this mystery out?

Loralee, Like Pam, I was going to suggest a cabin boy or stowaway. Perhaps he came with an uncle? Is he in a Canadian or US census around 1851? Who was he with? Are there any clues in his occupation? I'd also look at his marriage. Did any family or relatives act as witnesses? That might date their arrival. You say his parents came later. Do you know when? Often you find the father going ahead with the eldest son to prepare a home and then going back to collect his wife and remaining family. Just because they are together later, doesn't prove the travelled together. A few ideas to consider and check out. Peter

My thoughs are that he might have travelled with a neighbour or friend of the parents and met on his arrival by a relative, Declan

I have been trying to solve a mystery for several years now, and thought perhaps one of you might come up with the creative idea that finally solves it. According to his obituary, my husband's gg grandfather, George Pierce Noonan, emigrated from Ireland in 1849 when he was 12 years old. The obituary says he went to Canada, and I know he ended up in California by 1852. Other family researchers have confirmed that he originally came from Co. Clare, and that his parents did not leave Ireland until later. He had younger siblings who came over later, but he seems to have been the oldest child, so he couldn't have travelled with an older sibling. It appears that he either travelled alone (not common at 12 years old, right?)or perhaps with distant relatives (aunt, uncle). I have not found a single trace of him on any ship's lists (and I've searched tons of them.), and have begun to seriously consider that he must have stowed away. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to figure this mystery out? Loralee

Tony, I know South Australia is a problem because a lot of records were lost in a flood. But I just revisited "The Ships List" and it looks like the site has been recently updated with a great new search facility. I had some wonderful finds. You can find it via Google. As you say, it's always helpful to retrace your steps. You never know what you might have missed or what's been updated. Good luck. It's one of a very few that's had me stumped. I wonder if there's an Irish variant of McGrath. Peter

Hi Brenda, Thanks very much for that information. I will start work on it straight away. Tony ................................................................................................................. On 17/01/2013, at 11:22 PM, Brenda Pilson <brendapilson@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Hi Tony, > SA shipping records are available at > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.shtml > You need to look at each individual ship so a bit time consuming. > Regards, > Brenda > > On 17/01/2013, at 10:57 PM, "Tony O'Grady" <tonyogrady26@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks again Peter. It's always helpful to be forced to retrace your steps and recheck your material. Adelaide remains a possibility but the SA records are pretty thin. I fear that their records may not have survived. >> >> I have used Trove pretty extensively for this family. Lots of interesting material but not on their arrivals. >> >> It looks if St. Senans in Kilrush has to be the next step. >> >> Many thanks, >> Tony. >> >> >> On 17/01/2013, at 9:00 PM, "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> >>> Tony, >>> >>> You're right. There's nothing obvious. >>> >>> Jane McGrath had to be here by 1853 when, by your records, she married. >>> The only possibility in Assisted Immigrants is an 1852 arrival via Lady >>> Elgin. But the other McGraths on the ship are names like Deborah, James, >>> Nathaniel and Mary. >>> >>> I did similar logic for Bridget before 1853 and there's no match on >>> ages. >>> >>> So the possibilities are >>> a) Unassisted (Highly unlikely I would think) >>> b) Disembarked in Adelaide, Hobart or Sydney >>> c) All travelled separately (Again highly unlikely) >>> d) Horribly mistranscribed >>> e) Shipping papers don't survive. >>> >>> I don't think I can help. The only other suggestion might be to search >>> Trove newspapers which may include them in shipping news. >>> >>> At least you know they were here and have all the Australian data on >>> them. And I can give you a personal guarantee they travelled by boat. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tony, SA shipping records are available at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.shtml You need to look at each individual ship so a bit time consuming. Regards, Brenda On 17/01/2013, at 10:57 PM, "Tony O'Grady" <tonyogrady26@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks again Peter. It's always helpful to be forced to retrace your steps and recheck your material. Adelaide remains a possibility but the SA records are pretty thin. I fear that their records may not have survived. > > I have used Trove pretty extensively for this family. Lots of interesting material but not on their arrivals. > > It looks if St. Senans in Kilrush has to be the next step. > > Many thanks, > Tony. > > > On 17/01/2013, at 9:00 PM, "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> You're right. There's nothing obvious. >> >> Jane McGrath had to be here by 1853 when, by your records, she married. >> The only possibility in Assisted Immigrants is an 1852 arrival via Lady >> Elgin. But the other McGraths on the ship are names like Deborah, James, >> Nathaniel and Mary. >> >> I did similar logic for Bridget before 1853 and there's no match on >> ages. >> >> So the possibilities are >> a) Unassisted (Highly unlikely I would think) >> b) Disembarked in Adelaide, Hobart or Sydney >> c) All travelled separately (Again highly unlikely) >> d) Horribly mistranscribed >> e) Shipping papers don't survive. >> >> I don't think I can help. The only other suggestion might be to search >> Trove newspapers which may include them in shipping news. >> >> At least you know they were here and have all the Australian data on >> them. And I can give you a personal guarantee they travelled by boat. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again Peter. It's always helpful to be forced to retrace your steps and recheck your material. Adelaide remains a possibility but the SA records are pretty thin. I fear that their records may not have survived. I have used Trove pretty extensively for this family. Lots of interesting material but not on their arrivals. It looks if St. Senans in Kilrush has to be the next step. Many thanks, Tony. On 17/01/2013, at 9:00 PM, "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Tony, > > You're right. There's nothing obvious. > > Jane McGrath had to be here by 1853 when, by your records, she married. > The only possibility in Assisted Immigrants is an 1852 arrival via Lady > Elgin. But the other McGraths on the ship are names like Deborah, James, > Nathaniel and Mary. > > I did similar logic for Bridget before 1853 and there's no match on > ages. > > So the possibilities are > a) Unassisted (Highly unlikely I would think) > b) Disembarked in Adelaide, Hobart or Sydney > c) All travelled separately (Again highly unlikely) > d) Horribly mistranscribed > e) Shipping papers don't survive. > > I don't think I can help. The only other suggestion might be to search > Trove newspapers which may include them in shipping news. > > At least you know they were here and have all the Australian data on > them. And I can give you a personal guarantee they travelled by boat. > > Peter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony, You're right. There's nothing obvious. Jane McGrath had to be here by 1853 when, by your records, she married. The only possibility in Assisted Immigrants is an 1852 arrival via Lady Elgin. But the other McGraths on the ship are names like Deborah, James, Nathaniel and Mary. I did similar logic for Bridget before 1853 and there's no match on ages. So the possibilities are a) Unassisted (Highly unlikely I would think) b) Disembarked in Adelaide, Hobart or Sydney c) All travelled separately (Again highly unlikely) d) Horribly mistranscribed e) Shipping papers don't survive. I don't think I can help. The only other suggestion might be to search Trove newspapers which may include them in shipping news. At least you know they were here and have all the Australian data on them. And I can give you a personal guarantee they travelled by boat. Peter

Peter, Yes, they all married in Victoria. Jane (Johanna) 1853 Susan 1859 John 1861 Patrick 1863 Bridget 1863 They bought adjoining farms at Axedale, near Bendigo. We believe that there were other siblings who went to California. Susan's headstone confirms that she was 90 at the time of her death in 1911. Susan and Bridget were next door neighbours at Axedale and their two branches of the family remained very close over the next two generations. Susan may well have been a "mother " to her youngest sister especially when Bridget's husband died in a farming accident when she was pregnant with her second child. Yes, I have been using Ancestry but still no luck in this case. Tony. On 17/01/2013, at 11:07 AM, Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Tony, > > I presume they all married in Australia. Could I suggest you post > marriage details so we can get an idea of earliest arrival date. > > There's a big 19 year spread of ages. I'm struggling with Susan being > unmarried in her 30's and Bridget being around 12 or 13. > > One scenario could be that Ellen died shortly after Bridget's birth and > as the eldest, Susan became the mother of the family. > > Another though is that they had to be assisted immigrants. I can't see > them paying their own way. > Have you look on Ancestry's immigration records. That covers all states in > one search. > > Peter > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Ellen, have you checked out the directories on the Clare Library site? Diane http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/ennstour.htm -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: IRL-CLARE-L <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:09 am Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Ennis Town Public House Would there be a list or something similar re: Public House ownership in the mid 19th century in Ennis Town? I am seeking information re: a Margaret (Fitzpatrick) DALY who is listed as having a Public House in 1856 on Mill St. This could be my g g grandmother. On the 1864 Civil Birth Certificate for Helena Mary TOWNSEND, the first child of my g grandmother Honora (DALY) TOWNSEND, the birth address is Mill St. and the person reporting the birth is Margaret DALY. Would like to know if this is the same woman. Also, Pub probably long gone, but on our next trip over, would like to check this area out. Since this is in a town, an actual address might be listed for a place of business/Pub at that time. Mary Ellen Chambers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony, I presume they all married in Australia. Could I suggest you post marriage details so we can get an idea of earliest arrival date. There's a big 19 year spread of ages. I'm struggling with Susan being unmarried in her 30's and Bridget being around 12 or 13. One scenario could be that Ellen died shortly after Bridget's birth and as the eldest, Susan became the mother of the family. Another though is that they had to be assisted immigrants. I can't see them paying their own way. Have you look on Ancestry's immigration records. That covers all states in one search. Peter

Thanks for your help Diane. I had already drawn a blank with the Griffiths and Tithe records and I am sure that I should now take a look at the St. Senan's records. Thanks again, Tony. ......................................................................................................................... On 16/01/2013, at 12:07 PM, DLCulhane@cs.com wrote: > > The Tithe Applotments on the National Library site don't show any Anthony McGraths in Clare but there were 4 McGrath entries for Kilrush--James, John, Connor, and Michael (1826), perhaps relatives of your Anthony. There were four McNamaras there too. Best bet to look for the younger children's baptisms on the Kilrush/St. Senan's records, filmed by the LDS back to 1827. > > Diane > > > >

Thanks for your suggestions Peter. So far I have not been able to find any trace of them in the Vic. or NSW shipping indices let alone any original arrival records but I will keep looking. I have been reluctant to start with the Kilrush parish records when there is still no firm evidence that that is where they came from but it now looks as if I should tackle them after all. Tony On 16/01/2013, at 11:35 AM, Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Tony, > > Do you have the exact shipping details? Have you looked for original > documents rather than just extracted index data? I believe they are in > Victorian State Archives. I live in Sydney, so have never been able to > access them. > > I've seen the NSW equivalents which are brilliant sources of data, > especially for assisted immigrants, which most were. Depending on the date, > early Port Phillip (Melbourne) arrivals were kept in Sydney. > > There are two sets of papers, the shipping line and the papers relating > to assistance. NSW Archives has recently digitised the shipping papers. But > you need to look at both. Many you will find on Ancestry. > > Somewhere in all of that you should find an townland and perhaps names > of parents or relatives in Australia. > > Peter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judie, He spells his name Maloney and is easily found in both 1901 and 1911 on the National census site. As a national teacher you'd expect he could spell his own name. However his father looks to be listed as Malone. He too is in both 1901 and 1911 as Malone. I was tempted to try the variant spelling, but you seemed so sure with your data. I even tried Mary Pilkington, but if you look she's spelt Pelkington. One of the things I was hoping to find was how many children Michael & Honora had. But sadly this is left blank in 1911. So we're left with John and Marian. I'd keep looking for the marriage of Marian to a Pilkington but you'll need to try all the Malone, Maloney, Moloney variants. And you can't be sure it's Marian, Maryanne or Marion. At least we solved the census issues. Peter