People need to be aware of the difference between Indexes and Digitised Images. About two years ago NSW released digitised images of original records for Assisted migration. And despite their site saying 1838-1896, there are actually images from 1828. Queensland Archives have recently done the same, but I'm not sure if they've finished. South Australia don't yet have images, but they have recently updated search facility on The Ships List. Unfortunately, unless something has happened recently, there are no online digitised images for Victoria. So I'm guessing you can only view them at Victorian Archives Office. For NSW, Ancestry has two sets of images. One is the same source as NSW archives, but the other has much more data. You need to look at both. Just don't believe their transcriptions. Almost every one I've seen has dittoed the top place of origin to everybody else on the page. Also note that until mid 1850's everything was centrally recorded in Sydney. So check NSW archives for early arrivals in Victoria or Queensland. Peter

Jackie, Did you see a reply to a similar question yesterday? You might like to check the archives. The answers should be in immigration indexes. The trick is that up to 1855 they were all recorded centrally in Sydney, so appear in NSW State Archives. These are now digitised, so you can look behind the indexes. If you can access Ancestry either via subscription or free access at a local library or FHS centre, you should find a second set of images with even more data. For the benefit of all, can I say that a good way to learn about available resources and solutions is to look at responses to posts of other people. Peter in Sydney (Happy Australia Day)

I am seeking information of Patrick Maloney born about 1821 and his wife Mary McGann (father Coleman McGann) born about 1832, married at Clare about 1853 and came to Australia about 1854. He died in 1898 and is buried at Buninyong Cemetery with Mary who died in 1893. They had 9 children John 1854 Eureka, Matilda 1856 Ballarat, Michael 1857 Buninyong, Nora 1859-1860 Buninyong, Anora 1861 Buninyong, Mary, Margaret 1862, Patrick William 1868 Buninyong, Ellen 1870 Buninyong. Regards Jackie

Does anyone here have a Mary O'Grady b. 1844 in Kilshanny. She married a Patrick Casey b, 1847 in Kilfennora They both emmigrated to Holliston, MA Regards, Clara

I don't see Coleman in either the Tithe Applotments (nationalarchives.ie) or Griffith's Valuation (failteromhat.com), so your best bet may be to print out the names of the civil parishes in which Maloneys and McGanns both appear in either the Tithes or Griffith's and then search the corresponding Catholic parish records. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Jackie & Paul <phorsbur@bigpond.net.au> To: IRL-CLARE <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:47 pm Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Maloney I am seeking information of Patrick Maloney born about 1821 and his wife Mary McGann (father Coleman McGann) born about 1832, married at Clare about 1853 and came to Australia about 1854. He died in 1898 and is buried at Buninyong Cemetery with Mary who died in 1893. They had 9 children John 1854 Eureka, Matilda 1856 Ballarat, Michael 1857 Buninyong, Nora 1859-1860 Buninyong, Anora 1861 Buninyong, Mary, Margaret 1862, Patrick William 1868 Buninyong, Ellen 1870 Buninyong. Regards Jackie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Isn't he related to Muhammed Ali, the other famous Clare descendant ? Paddy -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Declan Barron Sent: 25 January 2013 19:15 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Boris Johnson, Mayor of London Hi, It turns out Boris Johnson has O'Gorman ancestry from Co. Clare. In 'Some Ancestry of London's Mayor Boris Johnson' by Richard Carruthers-Zurowski http://vademecumgenealogy.blogspot.ie/2012/02/london.html We see TENTH GENERATION (SUDJECTS SEVENTH GREAT-GRANDPARENTS) No.748. - James O'Gorman In Ferrars 'History of Limerick' the birth of James in Bunratty Castle is confirmed but the date differs slightly. pg.400 http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Media,8087,en.pdf Declan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lyn, If you follow my suggestions, you will find a Michael Grady arriving 1854 on both NSW Indexes Online and on Ancestry. My worry is the gap in both time and distance between 1854 arrival in Sydney and 1862 marriage in SA. You should check NSW BDM for possible marriages or death. As I said, Ancestry has two images. Both have mistranscriptions and both have extra data. Look at both. I believe he came from Kilfenora in Clare. He might also appear in emigrant lists at Clare library, but I don't think that will have much detail. I don't want to suggest possible answers based on family stories and be found wrong. He could have arrived as crew in Adelaide the week before his marriage. They may even have met on a boat. There's lots to check and eliminate. I also want you to enjoy the thrill of discovery and the reward for effort.. Peter

Hi, It turns out Boris Johnson has O'Gorman ancestry from Co. Clare. In 'Some Ancestry of London's Mayor Boris Johnson' by Richard Carruthers-Zurowski http://vademecumgenealogy.blogspot.ie/2012/02/london.html We see TENTH GENERATION (SUDJECTS SEVENTH GREAT-GRANDPARENTS) No.748. - James O'Gorman In Ferrars 'History of Limerick' the birth of James in Bunratty Castle is confirmed but the date differs slightly. pg.400 http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Media,8087,en.pdf Declan

Given all the ties between Australia and Ireland I am hoping some one here can advise me of any good used book stores in Sydney that have lots of history books. I will be in Sydney between 24 Feb and 4 March. Doug In a message dated 1/25/2013 3:05:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, irl-clare-request@rootsweb.com writes:

Lyn, I keep saying, you'll probably find more detail in Australian records than looking pre 1864 civil registrations in Ireland. Presumably from his Australian marriage and death records you have Michael John Grady born c1831 with father Patrick. I'd first try to pin down migration records. If it's NSW, use Indexes Online. If it's SA, try The Ship's List. You might also try convict records if that's a suspicion. If you have an Ancestry subscription or can get access via a local library or FHS centre, an historical records search should find him. All the above sites can be found by a simple Google search. Otherwise try my favourite Australian site www.coraweb.com.au. Make sure you look at all original images. NSW Indexes online has them digitised. Ancestry has two different images. Don't believe their transcriptions. Look at originals. You should find lots of extra clues. And make sure you try O'Grady as well. Look also who, if any, might have accompanied him. There may also be some clues in naming patterns of his children. Many things to consider. And a bit of work to be done. Peter

for Clare land page on IGP http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/clare/land.htm Christina

We have added some more transcribed Canceled Books for the E.D. of Miltown Malbay. New additions are Carrowkeel, Dough and Breaffy South. I have also added "place holders" for the other locations, so you can get a feel for the layout of the information and see what is yet to be added. Regards, Christina

HI Lyn, Its nice to have another O'Grady on the list as we are few in number but have a deep Irish lineage. I am the administrator for the O'Grady DNA project. See http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/grady/ I have put a number of links to O'Grady materials on the home page. I'm happy to try to answer any questions. Are you related to Stuart O'Grady the famous cyclist? My O'Grady's arrived in Melbourne in the late 1850s and where from Parteen cheers Jon o'Grady sydney On 24/01/2013, at 11:04 PM, Lyn O'Grady wrote: > Hi all, hope someone can help find the roots for this family as we're > travelling to Co Clare from Australia in May this year and would like to > absorb the countryside of his birthplace (if we can find out where it was!). > > Michael John Grady born about 1831 arrived in SA sometime before his > marriage to Mary Anne O'Loughlin in 1862. He put Patrick as his father's > name. He later became known as O'Grady. > Family knowledge has it that he was born in Waughty Park county Clare but > is there such a place, is it Aughty? He also said he landed in NSW and > found his way to SA. If this is true, he may have been a government > sponsored immigrant and had to work two years before being released. He > possibly landed in 1854. Alternatively he may have been a convict (haven't > found his name on the list) whatever we have little to go by. > He was a labourer / publican. > He and Mary Anne settled in Macclesfield in the Hills, sheep and wheat > country but by 1874 moved to an industrial/workers' suburb of Adelaide > called Thebarton with a family of 11 or 12 children. Nearby was a brewery > and many small businesses. > Knowing names may give a clue, there were names like Michael, Denis > Francis, James Francis, Elizabeth Ellen, Patrick John, William, Edmund, > Lawrence and Michael John. > His fourth son, publican and bookmaker/horseowner. Michael John born 1874 > is husband's line, he married Nora Mary Durkin in 1907 and only had 3 sons > including my father in law. > My research found that during land clearances in Ireland many families were > pushed into the woods of the Aughty, am I correct? If I was to visit, > would I see any of the ruins of the villages in the Aughty? > > regards, > Lyn O'Grady > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jon O'Grady Sydney, Australia

Hi Christina Is that Breaghva/Brefa in Parish of Kilchreest? Cheers Beryl

Hi all, hope someone can help find the roots for this family as we're travelling to Co Clare from Australia in May this year and would like to absorb the countryside of his birthplace (if we can find out where it was!). Michael John Grady born about 1831 arrived in SA sometime before his marriage to Mary Anne O'Loughlin in 1862. He put Patrick as his father's name. He later became known as O'Grady. Family knowledge has it that he was born in Waughty Park county Clare but is there such a place, is it Aughty? He also said he landed in NSW and found his way to SA. If this is true, he may have been a government sponsored immigrant and had to work two years before being released. He possibly landed in 1854. Alternatively he may have been a convict (haven't found his name on the list) whatever we have little to go by. He was a labourer / publican. He and Mary Anne settled in Macclesfield in the Hills, sheep and wheat country but by 1874 moved to an industrial/workers' suburb of Adelaide called Thebarton with a family of 11 or 12 children. Nearby was a brewery and many small businesses. Knowing names may give a clue, there were names like Michael, Denis Francis, James Francis, Elizabeth Ellen, Patrick John, William, Edmund, Lawrence and Michael John. His fourth son, publican and bookmaker/horseowner. Michael John born 1874 is husband's line, he married Nora Mary Durkin in 1907 and only had 3 sons including my father in law. My research found that during land clearances in Ireland many families were pushed into the woods of the Aughty, am I correct? If I was to visit, would I see any of the ruins of the villages in the Aughty? regards, Lyn O'Grady

Hi Lyn, Thanks very much. Even the negative bits are a help. I wonder if we have any O'Grady connections in County Clare. My family came from Kilmaley. Best wishes, Tony .................................................................................................................................... On 24/01/2013, at 10:14 PM, "Lyn O'Grady" <ogradys05@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi there, I'm new to the list. I'm in South Australia. I've checked the > births 1842-1906 and marriages 1842-1916 and no sign of Anthony McGrath. > > NSW BDM is online at > http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=marriages > > VICTORIA BDM at > https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria > > QUEENSLAND at > https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/mainMenuSubmit.m?main_menu=IndexSearch > > WESTERN AUSTRALIA at > http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx > > Hope this helps. > Lyn O'Grady > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Tony O'Grady <tonyogrady26@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Could anyone on the list offer me any suggestions or information on the >> following? >> >> Anthony McGRATH and Ellen McNAMARA. >> >> They lived in Clare. The family belief is that it was Kilrush. >> >> They had five children who migrated to Australia in the 1850s and married >> there. These were: >> c.1819 Susan (m. William Doherty) >> c.1820 Patrick (m. Catherine Normoyle) >> c.1824 John (m. Mary Watson) >> c.1830 Jane (m. John McNamara) >> c.1838 Bridget (m. Michael O'Grady) >> >> It is believed that there were other children who went to the USA. >> >> Tony O'Grady >> Melbourne. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, I'm new to the list. I'm in South Australia. I've checked the births 1842-1906 and marriages 1842-1916 and no sign of Anthony McGrath. NSW BDM is online at http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=marriages VICTORIA BDM at https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria QUEENSLAND at https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/mainMenuSubmit.m?main_menu=IndexSearch WESTERN AUSTRALIA at http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx Hope this helps. Lyn O'Grady On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Tony O'Grady <tonyogrady26@gmail.com>wrote: > Could anyone on the list offer me any suggestions or information on the > following? > > Anthony McGRATH and Ellen McNAMARA. > > They lived in Clare. The family belief is that it was Kilrush. > > They had five children who migrated to Australia in the 1850s and married > there. These were: > c.1819 Susan (m. William Doherty) > c.1820 Patrick (m. Catherine Normoyle) > c.1824 John (m. Mary Watson) > c.1830 Jane (m. John McNamara) > c.1838 Bridget (m. Michael O'Grady) > > It is believed that there were other children who went to the USA. > > Tony O'Grady > Melbourne. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To better understand Griffith's Valuation maps and the numbers in the map reference column see: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/irish-genealogy/understanding-the-valuati/ or http://goo.gl/0mKqp Christina

Christina, Thank you for all your work. A question, if I may? How do you tell which is Miltown Malbay township? What do the map numbers mean? It looks like most of the land was owned by Burdett Moroney or is that just a statistical abnormality because all his were cancelled. Peter

For O'Gradys in Co. Clare you must see HISTORY OF THE O'GRADYS of Clare and Limerick BY Gerard Madden 2007 also worth a look (Ennis area) All the Michael O'Gradys by Helen O'Grady 2011 For Kilmaley John Mayer's tome Families of Kilmaley Parish 2011 has several O'Grady references. All three are still on sale and can be read, in Ennis, at Clare Local Studies Library and (my genealogy library for guests) at Newpark House, Which of you O'Gradys will turn out to be a cousin of Muhammad Ali ? Declan