Glenys, I'm a genealogy tutor, so I prefer to teach people how and where to look, rather than do the lookup. In your case I've made an exception, but please look at the records for yourself to confirm. Assisted Immigration Indexes at PRO VIC show arrived in 1857 via "Maldon". So your assumed 1854 arrival looks to have been derived from other records. Submitted trees on Ancestry show he married Hannah Ryan in 1859, but apart from parent names, nobody has traced his origins. There are two possible sources, shipping records on microfilm at Vic State Archives or purchasing a copy of his marriage certificate. A quick look at the occurrences of the Hannon surname in 1901 shows under 100 individuals in Clare. You might find some in post 1864 civil registrations, but the problem will be linking them to Thomas. There are only two listed in Tithe Applotments around 1840, but these list don't include everybody. Peter

Glenys, Have you found his shipping record? As it's after 1851 in will be in Victorian State Archives at PRO VIC. If it were NSW or QLD you could see online images of the shipping records. But for VIC you might have to go to Melbourne of regional centres like Ballarat to see the microfilms. You might also check under the emigration tab at Clare Library. They have some submitted entries for migration to Victoria, but it's by no means comprehensive. You could also check arrivals on Ancestry, but they don't have images for VIC. You really need to find a town before your trip to Ireland. Peter

Many thanks for your quick response Diane. A family (no longer alive) mentioned this once. I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would ever visit Ireland. This year my dreams come true. Regards, Glenys ----- Original Message ----- From: <dlculhane@cs.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON > > Do you have some reason to believe they came from Clare? Griffith's > doesn't show many of either name in Clare. > > Diane > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenys Jupe <glenysjj@gmail.com> > To: IRL-CLARE <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:16 pm > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON > > > I'm looking for information about my GGGrandfather John HANNON. All I > know > about him is that he was married to Bridget FLOOD. Their son Thomas > HANNON came > to Australia in 1854 at the age of around 30. I dont' know if Thomas had > siblings. > > I would love to learn more about the HANNON's as I'm coming to Ireland in > July > this year. > > Regards, Glenys > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for your reply Peter. I have all the documentation after arriving in Victoria. My apology for not adding this information. Unfortunately I know nothing about townlands. I'm thinking this is something I should research. Clare Library sounds good. Regards, Glenys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON c1824 > Glenys, > > What you're really missing is a townland. But even then, if Thomas is > born c1824, his parents John Hannon and Bridget Flood are born around > 1800. > So you'll be struggling to find records. > > Like many people, you don't say where Thomas Hannon disembarked. I'd > direct you to the State Archives of that state. > > Check the shipping records. NSW & QLD are now imaged, so you can see > original list. For Assisted Immigrants you get extra data often including > native place, parents, description etc. This should give townland. Check > also for family members or relatives who may have accompanied him. > > While the records are free at State Archives sites, many are also on > Ancestry if you have a subscription or library access. If two records > appear, check both. Each has different data. > > Hopefully that will give a townland or parish. But the question will > be, > if early records are available. Check the resources on Clare library site. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glenys, What you're really missing is a townland. But even then, if Thomas is born c1824, his parents John Hannon and Bridget Flood are born around 1800. So you'll be struggling to find records. Like many people, you don't say where Thomas Hannon disembarked. I'd direct you to the State Archives of that state. Check the shipping records. NSW & QLD are now imaged, so you can see original list. For Assisted Immigrants you get extra data often including native place, parents, description etc. This should give townland. Check also for family members or relatives who may have accompanied him. While the records are free at State Archives sites, many are also on Ancestry if you have a subscription or library access. If two records appear, check both. Each has different data. Hopefully that will give a townland or parish. But the question will be, if early records are available. Check the resources on Clare library site. Peter in Sydney

I'm looking for information about my GGGrandfather John HANNON. All I know about him is that he was married to Bridget FLOOD. Their son Thomas HANNON came to Australia in 1854 at the age of around 30. I dont' know if Thomas had siblings. I would love to learn more about the HANNON's as I'm coming to Ireland in July this year. Regards, Glenys

Griffith's Valuation was done in Ireland about the time Thomas emigrated and lists most heads of households. You can search the index here--http://failteromhat.com/griffiths.php and look for Hannons and Floods in Clare. Unfortunately, they're in parishes scattered across the county. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Glenys Jupe <glenysjj@gmail.com> To: irl-clare <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:30 pm Subject: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON c1824 Many thanks for all your effort Peter. I have all the information for Thomas HANNON and Hannah RYAN after they both arrived in Victoria. They are my GGrandparents. It's just back in Ireland that I don't know about. I've never done any research in Ireland, and it's unfamiliar territory for me. I appreciate your help. Regards, Glenys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON c1824 > Glenys, > > I'm a genealogy tutor, so I prefer to teach people how and where to > look, rather than do the lookup. In your case I've made an exception, but > please look at the records for yourself to confirm. > > Assisted Immigration Indexes at PRO VIC show arrived in 1857 via > "Maldon". So your assumed 1854 arrival looks to have been derived from > other > records. > > Submitted trees on Ancestry show he married Hannah Ryan in 1859, but > apart from parent names, nobody has traced his origins. > > There are two possible sources, shipping records on microfilm at Vic > State Archives or purchasing a copy of his marriage certificate. > > A quick look at the occurrences of the Hannon surname in 1901 shows > under 100 individuals in Clare. You might find some in post 1864 civil > registrations, but the problem will be linking them to Thomas. > > There are only two listed in Tithe Applotments around 1840, but these > list don't include everybody. > > Peter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you have some reason to believe they came from Clare? Griffith's doesn't show many of either name in Clare. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Glenys Jupe <glenysjj@gmail.com> To: IRL-CLARE <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:16 pm Subject: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON I'm looking for information about my GGGrandfather John HANNON. All I know about him is that he was married to Bridget FLOOD. Their son Thomas HANNON came to Australia in 1854 at the age of around 30. I dont' know if Thomas had siblings. I would love to learn more about the HANNON's as I'm coming to Ireland in July this year. Regards, Glenys ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Rita, thanks for the information on Biddy. I've just read the Wikipedia entry. It's really interesting. Best wishes, Marg Watson, Victoria, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Rita Nutile Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:24 AM To: IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Tulla My great grandmother Mary Lunch came from Tulla. Her stone cottage still stands, but sheep use it. My cousin saw it 2 years ago. For a bit of someone famous in the area, check out Biddy Early on Wikipedia. She was associated with the fairies. Rita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Glenys, This may sound a silly question but when you are researching folk in Ireland anything is worth an ask. Do you have any HANNON with GILLICK or REILLY connections in the 1700-1800 century? Thanks Helen McNamara ________________________________ From: Glenys Jupe <glenysjj@gmail.com> To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 April 2013 1:57 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON c1824 Many thanks for your reply Peter.  I have all the documentation after arriving in Victoria.  My apology for not adding this information. Unfortunately I know nothing about townlands.  I'm thinking this is something I should research.  Clare Library sounds good. Regards, Glenys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON c1824 > Glenys, > >    What you're really missing is a townland. But even then,  if Thomas is > born c1824, his parents John Hannon and Bridget Flood are born around > 1800. > So you'll be struggling to find records. > >    Like many people, you don't say where Thomas Hannon disembarked. I'd > direct you to the State Archives of that state. > >    Check the shipping records. NSW & QLD are now imaged, so you can see > original list. For Assisted Immigrants you get extra data often including > native place, parents, description etc. This should give townland. Check > also for family members or relatives who may have accompanied him. > >    While the records are free at State Archives sites, many are also on > Ancestry if you have a subscription or library access. If two records > appear, check both. Each has different data. > >    Hopefully that will give a townland or parish. But the question will > be, > if early records are available. Check the resources on Clare library site. > >    Peter in Sydney > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers I am researching and have been doing so for many years without success, James Halloran & Kate McNamara whose son Patrick was born about 1805 in Tulla, Co Clare. Patrick Halloran married Mary Doogan/Dugan and in 1839 they emigrated to Sydney, [a labourer R/C] NSW with their children Bridget b 1828, Michael b 1830, Catherine b 1833, Margaret b 1835 & Elizabeth born at sea in 1839. They had 3 more children at Mulgoa, NSW, MARY ANN, Patrick Jnr. & James. On Mary Halloran nee Doogan's emigration record it shows she was the daughter of Darby Doogan a tailor in Tulla and Kate Verlin his wife. Patrick Snr. died 1851 in Mulgoa, NSW and Mary died in 1877 In Mudgee, NSW in the name of Mary Driver although a marriage has not been found but her h/stone said "Mary Driver wife of David Driver". Mary Driver was the informant to Mary Ann Halloran on her marriage to Thomas Birtles in Mudgee in 1866. I am hoping a new lister may also be researching James Halloran & Kate McNamara my brick wall although I have found on the Tithe Applotments in 1827 a James Halloran a Patrick Doogan a widow Halloran and a Michael McNamara at Rosslara, Tulla all names related to the Halloran's I am researching. Would anyone have any information or advice on where to look for further information on James & Kate Halloran nee McNamara and any siblings of Patrick b about 1805 in Tulla and possibly whether I have the correct families living at Rosslara please? I have looked many times on the Clare Library site but could find nothing apart from the Tithe's showing the names in Rosslara. Thank you Joan

My great grandmother Mary Lunch came from Tulla. Her stone cottage still stands, but sheep use it. My cousin saw it 2 years ago. For a bit of someone famous in the area, check out Biddy Early on Wikipedia. She was associated with the fairies. Rita

Correction to my last message. In 1911 Francis Rawlins is in Clare. Cork is his birthplace. Peter

Bev, I can't tell whether you found the free site or not. But here is the official one, and it's free. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ PJ > > Thank you for looking at this. I have been looking a a "free" Irish > census site to gain information from the 1901 and 1911 census records. > > Regards, > > Bev W >

Bev, This is an example where you haven't looked at all available data and have missed a number of vital clues. Have a look at both 1901 and 1911 census, viewing all information and looking at original documents. Although born in Cork, in 1901 he is listed as Frank Rawlins a gamekeeper in Limerick with six children. The last two are born in Limerick, so you can assume they moved counties about 1895. In 1911 he is listed as Francis Rawlins a gamekeeper in Cork with the four children you found. But if you tick the box for "All information" you'll find they've been married 23 years and have 6 children all living. Two have moved away and possible married. Based on age, it looks like Mabel in 1901 is known as Rebecca in 1911. I'll leave it to you to look again at the censuses and get the full data. Then try and find the corresponding BDM entries on civil registrations at Family Search. Peter in Sydney

Bev, Dates are as important as names and locations. I'd start with finding the family in 1901 and 1911 census which will give ages and birthplaces from which you should be able to get matches on civil registrations at FamilySearch. Unfortunately, the civil registrations don't give very full data. Then you might be able to get back further using various resources at Clare Library. You might also have some success using civil registrations to trace subsequent descendants. Peter in Sydney

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It does also appear that his wife Annie died in Clair in 1934. Some of the Cork Rawlins family did move to Liverpool. As I said, my ancestor came to the US. Because he died at a fairly young age and his wife remarried, we lost family information. Thank you for looking at this. I have been looking a a "free" Irish census site to gain information from the 1901 and 1911 census records. Regards, Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-clare <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Francis (Frank Rawlins) Correction to my last message. In 1911 Francis Rawlins is in Clare. Cork is his birthplace. Peter-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, Frank Rawlins was 60 in the 1911 census. I am in the process of ordering his marriage record from Cork. I suspect he was one of the younger children of George Henry Rawlins and wife Harriet Orr of Cork. My hope is to find descendants from this line. I was thrilled to identify descendants in the 20th century still in Ireland. Tracking this family has been an adventure. My own gggrandfather came to the US in 1867. He married a German woman but unfortunately died in 1884, We have pictures that identify his family as that of George Henry Rawlins from Cork Ireland. My cousins and I have been learning family information in pieces for several years. I will certainly post what I can find. Thanks so much! Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: irl-clare <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Francis (Frank Rawlins) Bev, Dates are as important as names and locations. I'd start with finding the family in 1901 and 1911 census which will give ages and birthplaces from which you should be able to get matches on civil registrations at FamilySearch. Unfortunately, the civil registrations don't give very full data. Then you might be able to get back further using various resources at Clare Library. You might also have some success using civil registrations to trace subsequent descendants. Peter in Sydney -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, Thanks very much for your reply. You might recall that we corresponded on this query back in January when I suspected that the McGrath family came from Kilrush. This now seems unlikely. I have used the Ancestry records and the PROV images of the originals. These included the records for Bridget (The Admiral, 14/5/58) and Jane (The Lady Elgin, 29/3/52). I could not find any records for John, Patrick or Susan) Bridget and Jane's place of origin was only given as Clare. You went to considerable trouble for me in January but concluded with "Good luck. It's one of a very few that's had me stumped". I'm afraid that I am still stumped as well. Thanks again, Tony. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, On 16/03/2013, at 11:59 AM, Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Tony, > > When you say shipping records are you talking about transcribed indexes > or images of original shipping lists? And are you using Ancestry of other > free sources? Ancestry transcriptions are notorious for dittoing all > locations for all entries on the same page. > > You really need to look at images of original documents. Assisted > Immigrant records have a wealth of data. Unfortunately you don't give > arrival dates and locations, so I can't look. > > Peter > > > > > -