When I was in Ireland on an Elderhostel I told the professor giving a lecture that my ancestors came from Tulla. He said "surely you must know about Biddy Early who was in the Feakle and Tulla area." You can find her on Wikipedia. Interesting. Nutile1011

Does any lister know of any informed estimates of the percentage of adult males in Clare who were not included in the Tithe Applotment lists and/or the Griffiths Valuation for the county? Tony O'Grady Melbourne

In Tracing Your Irish Ancestors (1992), John Grenham says the tithes are not a full list of householders because not all types of land were assessed in all areas. Griffith's is more complete, including most heads of households (not just males, by the way), but I've not seen an exact percentage. You might check the National Library, Irish Times, and National Archives sites to see current estimates. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Tony O'Grady <tonyogrady26@gmail.com> To: irl-clare <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 4:48 pm Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Tithe Applotment & Griffiths Valuation Does any lister know of any informed estimates of the percentage of adult males in Clare who were not included in the Tithe Applotment lists and/or the Griffiths Valuation for the county? Tony O'Grady Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I'm following up on a couple of marriages in Kilrush of Sinon Lynch in the hope there may be listers research these names, just in case Sinon was a sibling of my gg grandfather John Lynch b 1827, Kilrush with father Patrick Lynch. They are as follows and I would be delighted to hear from anyone who may have any information relating to these two marriages. 1. 4 February 1854 Sinon Lynch & Norry Kean both of Monmore...[the next phrase was in latin which I was not able to read correctly] were married at the brides fathers house in presence of her father John Kean, Pat Lynch & Bridget Purtell. 2. 15 December 1861 Sinon Lynch of Monmore to Mary Purtill of Monmore in presence of John Lynch and Margaret Lynch. Thank you Joan

Thanks Declan, I didn't realize Sinon was named after St Senan. We learn something every day. Joan In South West Clare Sinon is not Simon. It is a variant of Senan who was the patron saint of that area, Declan

Thank you Declan. I appreciate the information?  Best, Marianne Sent from Samsung tabletDeclan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> wrote:Hi, In South West Clare Sinon is not Simon. It is a variant of Senan who was the patron saint of that area, Declan ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne_powers" <marianne_powers@att.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] IRL-CLARE on behalf of Mary Collins > Dear Jo, > I have a Mary Collins, about 1834, married to Sinon ( Simon) McDonnell, > co. Clare, possibly Kilrush, about 1854. She is my ggrandmother. She and > Simon had 5 children, Bridgid, Michael, Margaret, James and Patrick in > Ireland. Emmigrated to Canada in 1865. They had 4 more children in St > Marys, Ontario. Does this connect wiith anyone else's info. > Best, > Marianne > > > > > Sent from Samsung tabletClifford Smith <ccpsmith@suddenlink.net> > wrote:Dear Jo > I have a Mary Collins (b.??) married a Sinon (Simon) Hasting (b 1806 > [projected from death obit]) d. 11 Oct 1880 in townland of Corbally, > Parish > of Kieafgaugh, Kilkee, Clare, Ireland. > Issue included Martin 1839, Margaret 1840-41, Bridget 1841, Mary 1844. > > I have not been able to confirm Mary's parents but found other Collins in > Tithe Applotment Records. I have not pursued or followed up. > > Mary would be my gg grandmother as daughter Margaret immigrated to Ohio > and > married James Conway from County Kerry in Xenia, Ohio in 1859. Margaret > had > 17 live births, 7 did not make it to 10 years old and one did not make it > to > 20. My grand father Eugene Edward was the father of 6 girls -My mother > Evelyn was next to oldest. > > Your inquiry inspires me to research Mary Collins some more. > > Clifford Conway Smith > In wild and wonderful West Virginia, USA where it is sunny and 78 this > spring day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Josiebanks@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:22 AM > To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] IRL-CLARE > > > Hi list, > Forgive me if you have already seen this message. I also sent it to > the Collins, Purcell & O'Brien lists. > > I now know for sure that my Gr-Grandfather, John COLLINS, b. 1819-20 > to Michael and Johanna PURCELL COLLINS had at least 6 cousins who were b. > in > Kilkee, Co. Clare. Their parents were Anthony & Mary COLLINS. Michael > and Anthony also had a sister, Honora COLLINS O'BRIEN, wife of Cornelius > from Kilkee. > > I do not have proof that John's father, Michael, lived in Kilkee but feel > he was possibly in one of the nearby villages such as Lisdeen, Ballyonan, > Doughnaboy, Kilfeargh, Furoor, Querin or Carrigaholt-anywhere in Kilrush > or > > Moyarta Parish. > > I base this on the fact that he and his cousins, Hugh, Anthony & John > lived together in the 1850s in St. Louis, MO and his widow, Eliza > FITZPATRICK COLLINS, dau of Patrick & Mary McNAMARA COLLINS went with his > cousins to > Davenport, Scott Co., IA. after John's death in 1867. > > I would like to hear from anyone with connections to these families. > There is also a connection to the surname MAGNER. Several served as > marriage witness and Baptismal sponsors. > Thanks for your time, Jo > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6233 - Release Date: 04/08/13 >

Hi, In South West Clare Sinon is not Simon. It is a variant of Senan who was the patron saint of that area, Declan ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne_powers" <marianne_powers@att.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] IRL-CLARE on behalf of Mary Collins > Dear Jo, > I have a Mary Collins, about 1834, married to Sinon ( Simon) McDonnell, > co. Clare, possibly Kilrush, about 1854. She is my ggrandmother. She and > Simon had 5 children, Bridgid, Michael, Margaret, James and Patrick in > Ireland. Emmigrated to Canada in 1865. They had 4 more children in St > Marys, Ontario. Does this connect wiith anyone else's info. > Best, > Marianne > > > > > Sent from Samsung tabletClifford Smith <ccpsmith@suddenlink.net> > wrote:Dear Jo > I have a Mary Collins (b.??) married a Sinon (Simon) Hasting (b 1806 > [projected from death obit]) d. 11 Oct 1880 in townland of Corbally, > Parish > of Kieafgaugh, Kilkee, Clare, Ireland. > Issue included Martin 1839, Margaret 1840-41, Bridget 1841, Mary 1844. > > I have not been able to confirm Mary's parents but found other Collins in > Tithe Applotment Records. I have not pursued or followed up. > > Mary would be my gg grandmother as daughter Margaret immigrated to Ohio > and > married James Conway from County Kerry in Xenia, Ohio in 1859. Margaret > had > 17 live births, 7 did not make it to 10 years old and one did not make it > to > 20. My grand father Eugene Edward was the father of 6 girls -My mother > Evelyn was next to oldest. > > Your inquiry inspires me to research Mary Collins some more. > > Clifford Conway Smith > In wild and wonderful West Virginia, USA where it is sunny and 78 this > spring day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Josiebanks@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:22 AM > To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] IRL-CLARE > > > Hi list, > Forgive me if you have already seen this message. I also sent it to > the Collins, Purcell & O'Brien lists. > > I now know for sure that my Gr-Grandfather, John COLLINS, b. 1819-20 > to Michael and Johanna PURCELL COLLINS had at least 6 cousins who were b. > in > Kilkee, Co. Clare. Their parents were Anthony & Mary COLLINS. Michael > and Anthony also had a sister, Honora COLLINS O'BRIEN, wife of Cornelius > from Kilkee. > > I do not have proof that John's father, Michael, lived in Kilkee but feel > he was possibly in one of the nearby villages such as Lisdeen, Ballyonan, > Doughnaboy, Kilfeargh, Furoor, Querin or Carrigaholt-anywhere in Kilrush > or > > Moyarta Parish. > > I base this on the fact that he and his cousins, Hugh, Anthony & John > lived together in the 1850s in St. Louis, MO and his widow, Eliza > FITZPATRICK COLLINS, dau of Patrick & Mary McNAMARA COLLINS went with his > cousins to > Davenport, Scott Co., IA. after John's death in 1867. > > I would like to hear from anyone with connections to these families. > There is also a connection to the surname MAGNER. Several served as > marriage witness and Baptismal sponsors. > Thanks for your time, Jo > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6233 - Release Date: 04/08/13 >

Dear Jo, I have a Mary Collins, about 1834, married to Sinon ( Simon) McDonnell, co. Clare, possibly Kilrush, about 1854. She is my ggrandmother. She and Simon had 5 children, Bridgid, Michael, Margaret, James and Patrick in Ireland. Emmigrated to Canada in 1865. They had 4 more children in St Marys, Ontario. Does this connect wiith anyone else's info. Best, Marianne Sent from Samsung tabletClifford Smith <ccpsmith@suddenlink.net> wrote:Dear Jo I have a Mary Collins (b.??) married a Sinon (Simon) Hasting (b 1806 [projected from death obit]) d. 11 Oct 1880 in townland of Corbally, Parish of Kieafgaugh, Kilkee, Clare, Ireland. Issue included Martin 1839, Margaret 1840-41, Bridget 1841, Mary 1844. I have not been able to confirm Mary's parents but found other Collins in Tithe Applotment Records. I have not pursued or followed up. Mary would be my gg grandmother as daughter Margaret immigrated to Ohio and married James Conway from County Kerry in Xenia, Ohio in 1859. Margaret had 17 live births, 7 did not make it to 10 years old and one did not make it to 20. My grand father Eugene Edward was the father of 6 girls -My mother Evelyn was next to oldest. Your inquiry inspires me to research Mary Collins some more. Clifford Conway Smith In wild and wonderful West Virginia, USA where it is sunny and 78 this spring day. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josiebanks@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:22 AM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] IRL-CLARE Hi list,     Forgive me if you have already seen this  message.  I also sent it to the Collins, Purcell & O'Brien  lists.     I now know for sure that my Gr-Grandfather, John  COLLINS, b. 1819-20 to Michael and Johanna PURCELL COLLINS had at  least 6 cousins who were b. in Kilkee, Co. Clare.  Their parents were  Anthony & Mary COLLINS.   Michael and Anthony also had a sister,  Honora COLLINS O'BRIEN, wife of Cornelius from Kilkee.  I do not have proof that John's father,  Michael, lived in Kilkee but feel he was possibly in one of the  nearby villages such as Lisdeen, Ballyonan, Doughnaboy, Kilfeargh, Furoor,  Querin or Carrigaholt-anywhere in Kilrush or Moyarta Parish.    I base this on the fact that he and his cousins, Hugh, Anthony  & John lived together in the 1850s in St. Louis, MO and his widow,  Eliza FITZPATRICK COLLINS, dau of Patrick & Mary McNAMARA COLLINS went with  his cousins to Davenport, Scott Co., IA. after John's death in 1867.     I would like to hear from anyone with connections  to these families.  There is also a connection to the surname MAGNER.   Several served as marriage witness and Baptismal sponsors. Thanks for your time,  Jo ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jo I have a Mary Collins (b.??) married a Sinon (Simon) Hasting (b 1806 [projected from death obit]) d. 11 Oct 1880 in townland of Corbally, Parish of Kieafgaugh, Kilkee, Clare, Ireland. Issue included Martin 1839, Margaret 1840-41, Bridget 1841, Mary 1844. I have not been able to confirm Mary's parents but found other Collins in Tithe Applotment Records. I have not pursued or followed up. Mary would be my gg grandmother as daughter Margaret immigrated to Ohio and married James Conway from County Kerry in Xenia, Ohio in 1859. Margaret had 17 live births, 7 did not make it to 10 years old and one did not make it to 20. My grand father Eugene Edward was the father of 6 girls -My mother Evelyn was next to oldest. Your inquiry inspires me to research Mary Collins some more. Clifford Conway Smith In wild and wonderful West Virginia, USA where it is sunny and 78 this spring day. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josiebanks@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:22 AM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] IRL-CLARE Hi list, Forgive me if you have already seen this message. I also sent it to the Collins, Purcell & O'Brien lists. I now know for sure that my Gr-Grandfather, John COLLINS, b. 1819-20 to Michael and Johanna PURCELL COLLINS had at least 6 cousins who were b. in Kilkee, Co. Clare. Their parents were Anthony & Mary COLLINS. Michael and Anthony also had a sister, Honora COLLINS O'BRIEN, wife of Cornelius from Kilkee. I do not have proof that John's father, Michael, lived in Kilkee but feel he was possibly in one of the nearby villages such as Lisdeen, Ballyonan, Doughnaboy, Kilfeargh, Furoor, Querin or Carrigaholt-anywhere in Kilrush or Moyarta Parish. I base this on the fact that he and his cousins, Hugh, Anthony & John lived together in the 1850s in St. Louis, MO and his widow, Eliza FITZPATRICK COLLINS, dau of Patrick & Mary McNAMARA COLLINS went with his cousins to Davenport, Scott Co., IA. after John's death in 1867. I would like to hear from anyone with connections to these families. There is also a connection to the surname MAGNER. Several served as marriage witness and Baptismal sponsors. Thanks for your time, Jo ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GREETINGS Glad you enjoyed your time here, come again one day Patrick

Hi list, Forgive me if you have already seen this message. I also sent it to the Collins, Purcell & O'Brien lists. I now know for sure that my Gr-Grandfather, John COLLINS, b. 1819-20 to Michael and Johanna PURCELL COLLINS had at least 6 cousins who were b. in Kilkee, Co. Clare. Their parents were Anthony & Mary COLLINS. Michael and Anthony also had a sister, Honora COLLINS O'BRIEN, wife of Cornelius from Kilkee. I do not have proof that John's father, Michael, lived in Kilkee but feel he was possibly in one of the nearby villages such as Lisdeen, Ballyonan, Doughnaboy, Kilfeargh, Furoor, Querin or Carrigaholt-anywhere in Kilrush or Moyarta Parish. I base this on the fact that he and his cousins, Hugh, Anthony & John lived together in the 1850s in St. Louis, MO and his widow, Eliza FITZPATRICK COLLINS, dau of Patrick & Mary McNAMARA COLLINS went with his cousins to Davenport, Scott Co., IA. after John's death in 1867. I would like to hear from anyone with connections to these families. There is also a connection to the surname MAGNER. Several served as marriage witness and Baptismal sponsors. Thanks for your time, Jo

Hi Christine Thank you for your email, I think its likely that at least one of the Rochford girls who came to Australia in the 1860's had gone to the USA and returned to Ireland before coming here, they all arrived on ships from England and I feel confident I have the right people as the put their parents names on their marriage certificates. I also have a couple of lovely photos apparently taken in Australia about 1880 and sent back to relatives in Ireland. My Tulla 'cousins' allowed me to copy them. I will keep my fingers crossed for some contacts You know what they say Ireland's greatest export was/ is her people. Australia was not much affected by the GFC and it's not uncommon to hear young Irish voices working around Sydney all the best Patrick

Patrick, The problem is see with requests looking just for relatives is that they exclude 99% of the people on the list who would otherwise be able to help. I think it's far better to provide what you know and then people can try to fill some of the missing bits. And it doesn't have to be a novel. All you need is the children's names, birth year, who, when and where they married, and where and when they died. You say Bridget arrived in Australia with her sisters. That needs exact location and shipping details which are available online. In fact, there is a tree on Ancestry that says Bridget went to USA, married Patrick Cudmore had 7 children and died 1898 in Washington DC. Who is right and who is wrong? I'll leave it to you to explore. Peter

Good Morning Peter Many Thanks for your email, I have covered those resources but there are one or two that I haven't looked at for a while and as new info is always arriving I will dig deeper but here is where I am coming from, You will see from my earlier entry that Patrick Rochford and Mary Hennessy married in Tulla in 1829. They had 11 children baptised in the Catholic church in Tulla. There are still Rochford descendants living in Tulla, and the family legend is that the family migrated to the USA about 1845/50 however, three of the children, Jane, Bridget and Catherine arrived in Australia in the 1860's and it seems certain that at least Johanna did go to America and married there. For many years I have tried to locate the rest of the family, did they go to America and settle there, did some remain in Ireland?? did some of the boys marry in Ireland and so on. My hope is that someone connected to this family will see my entry on the Clare website and get in touch all the best Patrick

What a beautiful city. Just got back from a week and a half there. Weather was great and people were fabulous. Would love another pint at Lord Nelsons Pub. Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL In a message dated 4/4/2013 3:07:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, irl-clare-request@rootsweb.com writes: working around Sydney

Patrick, Can I make the following suggestions? 1) Check submitted trees on Ancestry & Rootsweb 2) Search Clare list archives 3) Search Rochford surname lists 4) Google key names like "Patrick Rochford" Tulla 5) Check Clare Library site Peter

Patrick, There is always hope of finding a relative on the list. For some reason I see this more rarely on Irish lists than on say US lists. But I do see people finding a relative who may have gone off in a different direction. My sister in law found her grandmother's brother's descendants in England. He had gone to America and then returned to Ireland. Later he went to England to live. The English family had a photo that would not have been found if she hadn't located this man's descendants online. Anyway, welcome to the list. :) Christina List admin Patrick Callaghan wrote: > Good Morning Peter > Many Thanks for your email, I have covered those resources but there are one > or two that I haven't looked at for a while and > as new info is always arriving I will dig deeper but here is where I am > coming from, <snip>

Greetings I would like to make contact with anyone researching any member of this family, see below Some family members migrated to the USA and some came to Australia and I am happy to share what information I have Patrick Callaghan Patrick Rochford and Mary Hennessy Married at Tulla 1 March 1829 Children: Johanna Baptised 26.11.1829 Sponsors: John Meehan and Bridget O'Keefe Bridget Baptised 29.01.1831 Sponsor Bridget Roche Catherine Baptised 24.09.1832 Sponsors Sally Hehir and Grace Reddan Patrick Baptised 29.11.1834 Sponsors John Ryan and Catherine O'Grady James Baptised 13.01.1837 Sponsors Michael and Winny Rochford Michael Baptised 19.02.1838 Sponsors Tom and Eliza Hennessy James Baptised 09.01.1842 Sponsors Michael and Ellen Rochford Jane Baptised 24.01.1844 Sponsor Winny Rochford Michael Baptised 10.07.1848 Sponsor Mary Cunningham Ellen Baptised 20.02.1850 Sponsor Johanna Rochford

Glenys, This is the problem. You don't have proof of where they came from or how they got here. And you're going to need those precise details before you start searching in Ireland. It's not like Australia were you only have six states and one central record office in each. You're going to need County, Parish and Townland. The place to start is in Victoria with immigration records and the marriage certificate. Peter

Many thanks for all your effort Peter. I have all the information for Thomas HANNON and Hannah RYAN after they both arrived in Victoria. They are my GGrandparents. It's just back in Ireland that I don't know about. I've never done any research in Ireland, and it's unfamiliar territory for me. I appreciate your help. Regards, Glenys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] John HANNON c1824 > Glenys, > > I'm a genealogy tutor, so I prefer to teach people how and where to > look, rather than do the lookup. In your case I've made an exception, but > please look at the records for yourself to confirm. > > Assisted Immigration Indexes at PRO VIC show arrived in 1857 via > "Maldon". So your assumed 1854 arrival looks to have been derived from > other > records. > > Submitted trees on Ancestry show he married Hannah Ryan in 1859, but > apart from parent names, nobody has traced his origins. > > There are two possible sources, shipping records on microfilm at Vic > State Archives or purchasing a copy of his marriage certificate. > > A quick look at the occurrences of the Hannon surname in 1901 shows > under 100 individuals in Clare. You might find some in post 1864 civil > registrations, but the problem will be linking them to Thomas. > > There are only two listed in Tithe Applotments around 1840, but these > list don't include everybody. > > Peter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message