This batch, all the H's, That's pages 1 to 11, will go and transcribe the remaining 11 pages soon. Selection of Irish Folk sponsored in Victoria Australia 1843 to 1857 This listing is selective of Folk from Co Clare and those with only the identification Ireland as they may be from Co Clare. Some other odd ones will appear where I was not sure if the Town was in Co Clare. There are 22 pages in this collection and I will feed them through in batches as I sort them. Information found at PRO in Melbourne, Victoria. Victorian Sponsored Immigration Index 1856 to 1858 Nominee Order. Fisch 0001, Stand 7, Book 14A. Nominee is the person being sponsor, App No is the official application number, App Date is the date the application was made and money paid, (usually about 12 months prior to arrival), Depositor is the person sponsoring, (paying the money up front) usually a family member or proposed employer. Data in order is Nominee, Age, From, App No, App Date, Ship and Depositor. Hall William, 25, Ireland, 235.42.57, 29 Jan 1857, -, O'Heir John. Hallaran Catherine, 21, Co Clare, 280.85.57, 11 Mar 1857, -, Hallaran Catherine. Hallaran Mary, 22, Co Clare, 280.85.57, 11 Mar 1857, -, Hallaran Catherine. Hallinan Margaret, 26, Co Clare, 255.62.57, 14 Feb 1857, Jessie Munn, Dillon Patrick. Halloran Bridget, 17, Co Clare, 128, 7 Nov 1856, Jessie Munn, Halloran Cornelius. Halloran Margaret, 35, Co Clare, 128, 7 Nov 1856, Jessie Munn, Halloran Cornelius. Halloran Patrick, 12, Co Clare, 128, 7 Nov 1856, Jessie Munn, Halloran Cornelius. Halloran Cath., 21, Co Clare, 230.37.57, 28 Jan 1857, Jessie Munn, Connolly Michael. Hargrove Ann, 19, Co Clare, 144, 26 Nov 1856, Jessie Munn, Hargrove John. Hargrove Catherine, 24, Co Clare, 144, 26 Nov 1856, Jessie Munn, Hargrove John. Harrison William, 21, Co Clare, 18, 15 Aug 1856, Black Eagle, Harrison Mary. Harvey Mary, 20, Co Clare, 497.310.57, 14 Nov 1857, -, O'Keefe Bridget. Hassett Ann, 15, Co Clare, 351.166.57, 19 May 1857, -, Fahey Michael. Hassett John, 18, Co Clare, 351.166.57, 19 May 1857, -, Fahey Michael. Hassett Mary, 21, Co Clare, 351.166.57, 19 May 1857, -, Fahey Michael. Healy Patrick, 26, Co Clare,159, 6 Dec 1856, Jessie Munn, Healy Laurence. Healy Susan, 18, Co Clare,159, 6 Dec 1856, Jessie Munn, Healy Laurence. Hehir Ann, 33, Co Clare, 271.77.57, 2 Mar 1857, -, Ball Margaret. Hehir Margaret, 12, Co Clare, 271.77.57, 2 Mar 1857, -, Ball Margaret. Hehir Mathew, 33, Co Clare, 271.77.57, 2 Mar 1857, -, Ball Margaret. Hehir Margaret, 20, Miltown Malbay, 79, 29 Sept 1856, Talbot, O'Brien James. Hehir Winifred, 20, Co Clare, 284.89.57, 14 Mar 1857, -, Hehir Honorah. Henchey Peter, 21, Co Clare, 94, 14 Oct 1856, Talbot, Henchey Ann. Henley Mary, 15, -, 65, -, Carleton, Henley Peter. Henley Thomas, 16, -, 65, -, Carleton, Henley Peter. Herir John, 21, Co Clare, 249.56.57, 10 Feb 1857, -, Madden Michael. Hogan Bridget, 14, Co Clare, 467.280.57, 16 Sept 1857, -, Hogan Michael. Hogan Catherine, 20, Co Clare, 424.238.57, -, -, Hogan Mary. Hogan Patrick, 23, Co Clare, 424.238.57, -, -, Hogan Mary. Hogan John, 21, Ireland, 400.215.57, 13 July 1857, -, Buckley Peter. Hogan Maria, 16, Co Clare, 215.22.1857, 14 Jan 1857, Jessie Munn, Hogan Ellen. Hogan Patrick, 19, Co Clare, 215.22.1857, 14 Jan 1857, Jessie Munn, Hogan Ellen. Robert in Aus

Sorry Teri, Only Kilmaley records at Hand. No Rourke or O' Rourke. Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teri Rehurek" <orke712@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] RE: MEEHAN family > Larry > > > Do you come up with any Rourke (O'Rourke)- Meehan Marriages. > We were told it could not be found. > Thomas Rourke (O'Rourke) married Mary Jane Meehan abt. 1844- 1845? They > lived in Liscasey from 1845 1890. Some of the family lives there still. > Clondegad parish- first child Bridget 1845? Kilchreest. > > They may have gotten married in a different location. > > Thought that you might have a better source. > Thank you > > Teri > Registered Marriages in Kilmaley Parish 1829-1900 > > MEEHAN: > > Darby Meehan married Bridget Meade 18th. September 1846. > Fred Meehan Married Maggie Meade 12th. February 1888 > John Meehan married Mary Kean 21th. february 1830. > John Meehan married Margaret Markham, 17th. February 1863. > Mat Meehan married Maria Caby 8th. February 1865. > Michael Meehan married Mary Murphy 14th. February 1831. > Pat Meehan married Anne Sullivan 10th. August 1854. > Thomas Meehan married Mary Griffin 28th. February 1854 > > Michael Ryan married bridget Meehan 14th. April 1866 > > No relationship to me; > > Regards, > > Larry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beryl meehan" <bmeeh1@hotmail.com<mailto:bmeeh1@hotmail.com>> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:36 PM > Subject: [CLARE] RE: MEEHAN family > > > > Hello, is there anyone on this list researching MEEHAN or RYAN? > > > > Thomas Meehan b abt 1825, children: Michael 1849, Kate 1865, Bridget > 1864. > > > > Michael Meehan b abt 1849 married Mary Ryan on 7 Feb 1893 in Kilmaley. > > Mary Ryan was of Fahanlunaghta Beg. > > > > I have the 1901 census for them in Cloontabonniv, DED Kinturk, > Killanniv > > Reg Dist, Ennis Union. Can anyone help me get the 1911? > > > > Thank You, Beryl Meehan > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > > e-mail to > IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > or (for the digest list) > IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > and put the word > > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > NO VIRUS warnings or topics of any kind relating to this subject to be > posted to the list. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx> > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the researching of Co Clare Ireland. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

From the registered Deaths in Kilmaley Parish 15th. June 1940 to 29th. October 1997. Deceased: Address: Date: Place of Burial: Mrs. Margaet Meehan Bealcragga. 13th. November 1944 Inagh. Mary Meehan Cloontabonnive. 23rd. January 1959. Kilmaley. Birth: Parents: Michael Meehan & Mary Ryan Cloontaboonive: Michael Meehan Born 3rd. January 1902. God Parents: John Carney & Mary Carney. Margaret Meehan Born: 13th. November 1903 God Parents: Michael Callaghan & Bridget Carney. Patrick Meehan Born 25th. December 1905 God Parents: Thomas Meehan & Mary Meehan. Marriages: Bridget Meehan of Colltaabonnive married John Queally of Kilfenora on 30th. April 1933 Sponsors: Pat O' Brien of Ennistymon & Margaret Meehan of Cloontabonnive. Patrick Meehan of Clountabonnive married Bridget Carney on 25th. April 1939 Sponsors: Patrick Carney Clountabonnive & Mary Anne Carney of Clontabonnive. > Registered Marriages in Kilmaley Parish 1829-1900 > > MEEHAN: > > Darby Meehan married Bridget Meade 18th. September 1846. > Fred Meehan Married Maggie Meade 12th. February 1888 > John Meehan married Mary Kean 21th. february 1830. > John Meehan married Margaret Markham, 17th. February 1863. > Mat Meehan married Maria Caby 8th. February 1865. > Michael Meehan married Mary Murphy 14th. February 1831. > Pat Meehan married Anne Sullivan 10th. August 1854. > Thomas Meehan married Mary Griffin 28th. February 1854 > > Michael Ryan married bridget Meehan 14th. April 1866 > Catherine Meehan daughter of William Meehan & Lucy Grady Ivyhill born 24th. January 1885 married John Hayes on 26th. April 1924. > No relationship to me; > > Regards, > > Larry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beryl meehan" <bmeeh1@hotmail.com> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:36 PM > Subject: [CLARE] RE: MEEHAN family > > >> Hello, is there anyone on this list researching MEEHAN or RYAN? >> >> Thomas Meehan b abt 1825, children: Michael 1849, Kate 1865, Bridget >> 1864. >> >> Michael Meehan b abt 1849 married Mary Ryan on 7 Feb 1893 in Kilmaley. >> Mary Ryan was of Fahanlunaghta Beg. >> >> I have the 1901 census for them in Cloontabonniv, DED Kinturk, Killanniv >> Reg Dist, Ennis Union. Can anyone help me get the 1911? >> >> Thank You, Beryl Meehan >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send >> e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the >> word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >

Registered Marriages in Kilmaley Parish 1829-1900 MEEHAN: Darby Meehan married Bridget Meade 18th. September 1846. Fred Meehan Married Maggie Meade 12th. February 1888 John Meehan married Mary Kean 21th. february 1830. John Meehan married Margaret Markham, 17th. February 1863. Mat Meehan married Maria Caby 8th. February 1865. Michael Meehan married Mary Murphy 14th. February 1831. Pat Meehan married Anne Sullivan 10th. August 1854. Thomas Meehan married Mary Griffin 28th. February 1854 Michael Ryan married bridget Meehan 14th. April 1866 No relationship to me; Regards, Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "beryl meehan" <bmeeh1@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: [CLARE] RE: MEEHAN family > Hello, is there anyone on this list researching MEEHAN or RYAN? > > Thomas Meehan b abt 1825, children: Michael 1849, Kate 1865, Bridget 1864. > > Michael Meehan b abt 1849 married Mary Ryan on 7 Feb 1893 in Kilmaley. > Mary Ryan was of Fahanlunaghta Beg. > > I have the 1901 census for them in Cloontabonniv, DED Kinturk, Killanniv > Reg Dist, Ennis Union. Can anyone help me get the 1911? > > Thank You, Beryl Meehan > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Sigh! mine also although when my 30 year old son had a couple of drinks at my birthday party last weekend and we started on who looks like who, he ran to get my printed genealogy family history and dragged it out to show his aunt that he looked exactly like our father (my sisters and mine)...He had determined from all my genealogy ranting and ravings that he had even inherited my fathers wild side...(Dad was gone by 1959.) So all we have is talked about memories and his photos. Do not fully despair fellow genies.. when the time comes and they are looking after our ashes they will be grateful for our hard work and treasured memories. Cheers Gay O'Neill Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Garthwaite" <megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] ashes ashes >> Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: >> Since none of my children care a fig about their ancestry > > > I can identify with that, none of mine give a toss! My daughter will > listen to my ravings for a bit, just to be polite, the rest wander off as > soon as I start! > > Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Garthwaite" <megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] ashes ashes >> Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: >> Since none of my children care a fig about their ancestry > > > I can identify with that, none of mine give a toss! My daughter will > listen to my ravings for a bit, just to be polite, the rest wander off as > soon as I start! > > Margaret > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 10/08/2006

Phew! You really ARE a legend our Pete! And so are the parents. Give 'em 2 hugs next time you see them - 1 from me. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <PeteScherm@aol.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Ashes, ashes, we all fall down! > Jeanne at socrates_399@yahoo.com writes: > > > I like the way you think, Sharon C. So, ah, tell me, who gets your > research??? <

The principal family in this parish at the time was that of John O'Neill (grand uncle of Con and Solomon) who owned Cratloe Mor Castle and the adjoining lands. As a result of the Famine they were forced to emigrate to Canada in 1846. One daughter married a Surveyor-General and another a Provincial Surveyor. The third (Margaret O'Neill) became a nun in France and did such wonderful work that steps were taken some four or five years ago by the church authorities, to petition for her beatification, but according to my informants, the full particulars necessary were not available. In the same townland (Cratloe) and within the space of half a mile on the old Wood Road, 33 families cleared out, some to the workhouse, others to Australia or Canada, there was little emigration to America in those days, while some joined the English army and this was considered a great disgrace. It was a common saying for a father or mother that they would rather see their sons in the grave than in the service of England. The idea of facing the workhouse was equally repugnant. They preferred to die in the old home, and it was only as a last resort that they went there. The ships which carried the emigrants were known as 'fever ships' also and were not so called without good cause. Con O'Neill mentioned one such which was driven by gales on to the rocky Newfoundland coast where it was lost with all on board. A memorial commemorating the tragedy was erected on the coast nearby. Emigrant ships sailed from Arthur's Quay, Limerick, and it was a common practice for relatives to travel as far as Kilrush. Con O'Neill's father did so on the occasion of his uncle's departure for Canada, and walked home, a distance of 40 miles. The banks of the Shannon used to be lined with people and the sights witnessed 'would break your heart'. The sailing boats were usually old hulks, anything but sea-worthy, often taking months to reach their destination. (Conchubhair and Solomon O'Neill, b. 1860s, farmers, Cratloe, Co. Clare in "Famine Echoes" by Cathal Poirteir. Gill & Macmillan, 1995) Thought this might be of interest, Nicola.

Hello, is there anyone on this list researching MEEHAN or RYAN? Thomas Meehan b abt 1825, children: Michael 1849, Kate 1865, Bridget 1864. Michael Meehan b abt 1849 married Mary Ryan on 7 Feb 1893 in Kilmaley. Mary Ryan was of Fahanlunaghta Beg. I have the 1901 census for them in Cloontabonniv, DED Kinturk, Killanniv Reg Dist, Ennis Union. Can anyone help me get the 1911? Thank You, Beryl Meehan

In a message dated 8/12/2006 6:00:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, IRL-CLARE- D-request@rootsweb.com writes: <have noticed very many the women on the passenger lists I look at seem to be listed as going to the US to work as a Servant and men as Laborers. This has my curiosity. I know my Grandmother, Catherine Kelly, came to Boston and worked as a house maid for a family on Martha's Vineyard. It was something she wouldn't talk about. > These stories irritate me every time I see them. Maybe some immigrants to North America in the 17th of 18th C. were indentured (I know some Irish deported by Cromwell were taken to New Hampshire by ship captains rather than to slavery in the Barbadoes). Those very lucky persons were often employed as "indentured servants", for a number of years, but stories of Irish immigrants as late as the 19th C. being so employed I believe are largely false or based on a misunderstanding of circumstances and job descriptions. Of course, it's possible for individuals to have entered into probably illegal arrangements, but to suggest that a "domestic servant" was a virtual slave is way off the mark. In Ireland, a review of many marriage registers will show that a large percentage of females described themselves as "servants", which meant simply that they worked as a domestic for some probably well-off neighbor or perhaps their landlord. - often a relative, though of different religion! They were by no means enslaved or held in servitude or bondage. Many Irish in the USA seem so willing to believe the worst, when that was not at all the case. A young woman of a non-landed (read Catholic) family in 19th C. Ireland had few employment options in rural Ireland. A domestic ("servant") was one of the few. If they were unwilling to talk about it, the reason most likely was that they would have been looked down upon in the USA as akin to freed slaves, based on the common perceptions of "servant" at that time. That's not to say there weren't some bad employment situations after immigrating here - but often avoidable, especially after achieving US citizenship. The same applies to males. If one was not of the landed gentry class, there were few occupations that merited any other designation than "laborer"?. Some exceptions I've seen were "carpenter", "farmer", "soldier". There were some others, but most were reserved for the ascendancy. Thus a "laborer" was usually a farm worker, either employed by some other land owner, or working his own farm which was leased from someone else. Catholics could only lease land for periods of 33 years, sometimes renewable especially if there were family ties with the lessor, so some families were able to hold onto property for several generations. If by some chance he were able to own some land outright he would be a "farmer" or maybe even "gentleman farmer" (especially if he had conformed to the state religion) , but otherwise a "laborer". I hope this helps to clarify the matter, Len Keane

Hi Debbie, What a wonderful legacy from your Mom. She must be smiling now! My Mom and I have shared genealogy for many years, though she began when a teen (she's 83 now) and I consider her the "real" genealogist! I'm very interested in her Maley family, as my gg grandmother was a Maley from Clare and New Haven, CT. Do you think there's any possibility of connection? Melody -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Debbie Fall" <debfall46563@earthlink.net> > I read your stories with a smile on my face and memories in my heart. My mother > was THE genealogist of the family for many years. I did not share her passion. > "I cant remember the names of the living, why should I concern myself with the > names of the departed?" OR " I have children to raise, dont have time." would be > my common answer. I would spend time with her in libraries, she immersed herself > in genealogy books, I would take my cross stitch, time well spent together and > we both went home happy! Brother, sister in law and I went with mom to Ireland > for two weeks of genealogy, she took her notes of what she wanted looked up and > brother and I did what she wanted. We all enjoyed that trip and that special > time with mom. The next year mom passed away-what do you do with all those file > cabinets full of family members? I had become "somewhat" interested during our > trip to Ireland. After the funeral I took her "Maley family" file home with me, > grabbed a cup of coffee and bega! > n reading- I WAS HOOKED!!!! I downloaded her Family Tree Maker File and now I > spend HOURS in front of my computer speaking to all of you spread through out > the world all in search for the same thing-our ancestors. It has been just 8 > months since mom passed away, now she is in Heaven guiding me into this crazy > world of genealogy and giving me hints on where to search for them, after all > she is now in direct contact with the ones who lived that history-her ancestors. > I find little nibbles of information from time to time with her guidance, BUT I > find it is not just MY ancestors that fascinate me, it is the whole Irish > history that I love reading about and the wonderful people and landscape of > Ireland that draws me. DONT give up on your families, they too shall come around > and all will not be lost. Yes, they will curse you at times but they will also > find themselves sitting on the computer chatting with other genealogists and > smiling because of what you have brought them into.! > Your legacy will continue I am sure of it. > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Dear Listers, How refreshing to learn I'm not the only one to have birthed genealogically ungrateful wretches! When I, alone, locate the filthy rich one with no other living relatives, then they'll get their comeuppance. Richard

Jeanne at socrates_399@yahoo.com writes: << If only we could work in the opposite direction: If only you could know where you came from "right away", you start with taking your kids to their ancestors' homeplace in a quaint village, maybe a rousing ceili at a cousin's house, exploration of a nearby folk park, then work forward in the research, showing those young upstarts the generations unfolding like a red carpet right up to their birthday... Sigh. >> Jeanne, Here was my Dad's approach. For Christmas, 1955, he gave me a many-page typed booklet of my "Lineal Ancestors". It starts off with the local U.S. lineage. Lots of early Dutch settlers and also English - including John Bowne and Benedict Arnold (the latter, via two separate lines - not a good omen) and eventually got back to England through, at least, William Cary, sheriff and mayor of Bristol, Somersetshire. Then the lineage goes to John of Gaunt, and his grandpa, Edward II. As Dad noted, I "am related to every English king since Edward II, who was the ancestor of all succeeding ones". I have seen this fact mentioned on various websites, too. And then we have the branches. Charlemagne, King Coel ("Old King Cole", Mark Anthony, Malcolm and Duncan, William the Conqueror, Alfred the Great, Godiva, Uther the Pendragon, Constantine the Great, Llyr (King Lear)....... and my favorite, El Cid (I left out the accent, so as not to confuse Rootsweb.) This sort of document - in addition to making a braggart out of me (remember, this was 1955, before everyone "knew" they were descended from Charlemagne), this book has been copied by my grandchildren and used by them to establish their own "bragging rights" to a distinguished family. The only trick is to get hooked-into the English crown somewhere. From there, the published history is replete with connections - and all you have to do is copy it. Dad went a step further, and - with a bit of whimsy - connected to Worth Smith's "The House of Glory", which connects the Queen Mum in England back to Zedekiah - through dozens of dubious early Irish kings - and beyond. Zedekiah, the last king of Judah, and his daughter, Teah Tamar Tephi, came to Ireland. Much of this "history" was used by the British-Israelites as a reason for starting to dig-up the Hill of Tara in 1899 - looking for the Ark of the Covenant (and no Harrison Ford in sight). So now, my genealogy - such as it is - connects through Zedekiah back to the Bible, and I discovered that I am a direct descendent of Adam and Eve <gr> !! This sort of a "document" is a great way to get younger people interested in your family genealogy. A few significant names, a few wild characters (Dad says he's still looking for "horse thieves" in Mom's genealogy), and the kids will become interested. Dad's approach to genealogy has always been oriented more towards a "pedigree" approach. Farther back than 300 years, he stopped going-off into more branch lines and concentrated on carrying-back the more fruitful branches - rather than just expanding to even more cousins (although George Washington was my cousin - 15th cousin, 14 times removed.....but as Dad says "There may be a closer relationship through another line."). I've rambled enough. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Larry Do you come up with any Rourke (O'Rourke)- Meehan Marriages. We were told it could not be found. Thomas Rourke (O'Rourke) married Mary Jane Meehan abt. 1844- 1845? They lived in Liscasey from 1845 1890. Some of the family lives there still. Clondegad parish- first child Bridget 1845? Kilchreest. They may have gotten married in a different location. Thought that you might have a better source. Thank you Teri Registered Marriages in Kilmaley Parish 1829-1900 MEEHAN: Darby Meehan married Bridget Meade 18th. September 1846. Fred Meehan Married Maggie Meade 12th. February 1888 John Meehan married Mary Kean 21th. february 1830. John Meehan married Margaret Markham, 17th. February 1863. Mat Meehan married Maria Caby 8th. February 1865. Michael Meehan married Mary Murphy 14th. February 1831. Pat Meehan married Anne Sullivan 10th. August 1854. Thomas Meehan married Mary Griffin 28th. February 1854 Michael Ryan married bridget Meehan 14th. April 1866 No relationship to me; Regards, Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "beryl meehan" <bmeeh1@hotmail.com<mailto:bmeeh1@hotmail.com>> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: [CLARE] RE: MEEHAN family > Hello, is there anyone on this list researching MEEHAN or RYAN? > > Thomas Meehan b abt 1825, children: Michael 1849, Kate 1865, Bridget 1864. > > Michael Meehan b abt 1849 married Mary Ryan on 7 Feb 1893 in Kilmaley. > Mary Ryan was of Fahanlunaghta Beg. > > I have the 1901 census for them in Cloontabonniv, DED Kinturk, Killanniv > Reg Dist, Ennis Union. Can anyone help me get the 1911? > > Thank You, Beryl Meehan > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com> > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com> and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== NO VIRUS warnings or topics of any kind relating to this subject to be posted to the list. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx>

Pete, As I have been at this for a much, much shorter time than you and your family, I will keep my post much, much shorter than yours... I cannot hope to link to any glorious pedigree of the dimensions of your family's origins. However, I recently discovered a bigamist on my mother's German side (of course, it couldn't be in any of my Irish lines!). I would share it with my teenagers except for a sneaking suspicion that they wouldn't see anything wrong with that kind of behaviour. I would only receive another deep, shudder-inducing double-eyeball roll, accompanied by another "So what?!" I blame Jerry Springer for that. Nothing is shocking or thrilling compared to what that man has inflicted upon America. :-))) Jeanne PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: Jeanne at socrates_399@yahoo.com writes: << If only we could work in the opposite direction: If only you could know where you came from "right away", you start with taking your kids to their ancestors' homeplace in a quaint village, maybe a rousing ceili at a cousin's house, exploration of a nearby folk park, then work forward in the research, showing those young upstarts the generations unfolding like a red carpet right up to their birthday... Sigh. >> Jeanne, Here was my Dad's approach. For Christmas, 1955, he gave me a many-page typed booklet of my "Lineal Ancestors". It starts off with the local U.S. lineage. Lots of early Dutch settlers and also English - including John Bowne and Benedict Arnold (the latter, via two separate lines - not a good omen) and eventually got back to England through, at least, William Cary, sheriff and mayor of Bristol, Somersetshire. Then the lineage goes to John of Gaunt, and his grandpa, Edward II. As Dad noted, I "am related to every English king since Edward II, who was the ancestor of all succeeding ones". I have seen this fact mentioned on various websites, too. And then we have the branches. Charlemagne, King Coel ("Old King Cole", Mark Anthony, Malcolm and Duncan, William the Conqueror, Alfred the Great, Godiva, Uther the Pendragon, Constantine the Great, Llyr (King Lear)....... and my favorite, El Cid (I left out the accent, so as not to confuse Rootsweb.) This sort of document - in addition to making a braggart out of me (remember, this was 1955, before everyone "knew" they were descended from Charlemagne), this book has been copied by my grandchildren and used by them to establish their own "bragging rights" to a distinguished family. The only trick is to get hooked-into the English crown somewhere. From there, the published history is replete with connections - and all you have to do is copy it. Dad went a step further, and - with a bit of whimsy - connected to Worth Smith's "The House of Glory", which connects the Queen Mum in England back to Zedekiah - through dozens of dubious early Irish kings - and beyond. Zedekiah, the last king of Judah, and his daughter, Teah Tamar Tephi, came to Ireland. Much of this "history" was used by the British-Israelites as a reason for starting to dig-up the Hill of Tara in 1899 - looking for the Ark of the Covenant (and no Harrison Ford in sight). So now, my genealogy - such as it is - connects through Zedekiah back to the Bible, and I discovered that I am a direct descendent of Adam and Eve !! This sort of a "document" is a great way to get younger people interested in your family genealogy. A few significant names, a few wild characters (Dad says he's still looking for "horse thieves" in Mom's genealogy), and the kids will become interested. Dad's approach to genealogy has always been oriented more towards a "pedigree" approach. Farther back than 300 years, he stopped going-off into more branch lines and concentrated on carrying-back the more fruitful branches - rather than just expanding to even more cousins (although George Washington was my cousin - 15th cousin, 14 times removed.....but as Dad says "There may be a closer relationship through another line."). I've rambled enough. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

Dear Catherine, Jeanne & Sharon, What interesting conversation took place whilst I was sleeping! Catherine, like you I am awaiting with much anticipation of the final details for the Clare FHC 2007, it will be so good to hopefully unravel the mysteries that surround my Clare ancestors and meet other like minded List members. Jeanne, I am going for a burial, so my ashes will take a lot longer to "breakdown"(if at all!!!). But of course this event will not take place until well into the late 2000s. I owe my children that. No doubt about you Jeanne, you are so fast off the mark contacting the people Sharon kindly mentioned to you. It will be interesting to hear the outcome. Sharon,I would treat your family history information with great respect. Jeanne and I can sit in our rocking chairs and draw straws as to who gets what section.We will by that time be far too fragile to fight!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers & thanks again, Ellen in Tropical Tasmania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Foley Dwyer" <socrates_399@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:55 AM Subject: [CLARE] Clare FHC 2007 > Hi, Catherine, > > Thanks for your continued interest in the family history conference we've been hashing over for months. > > I have responses from 20 different listmembers in a separate folder. That could translate to 40, easily, including interested spouse/partners/siblings who would tag along with the listmember. Plus our committee and any locals, I'd say we would be looking at easily 60 people, and that's a very conservative number. I haven't even attempted a head count on the Rootsweb Clare message board, which includes posters who may not even know about this mailing list of ours. > > I think we are all in agreement that the numbers are high enough to warrant a family history conference, but the issue of a localised task force is still contentious. I've just sent an email to those NE Clare people who have only recently set up the website Sharon C. just posted about, www.aughty.com, and I hope to hear from them soon, as there is a meeting going on as I write this in Ennis between conference committee members. If we can get enough man- and womanpower behind the details of the conference, and if we can then feel confident enough in being able to pull it off physically and logistically to square away adequate financing, we're in like Flynn. Watch this space. > > Jeanne > > Catherine Eystad <cadybeth@gmail.com> wrote: Re: the conference. How many people did you find interested in attending > when and if it is set up? I am really hoping it happens!! I am all set to > make plans!! :D > > On 8/11/06, Jeanne Foley Dwyer wrote: > > > > Sharon, > > > > Re: your research > > You cannot possess or create anything unusable or crude. Don't be so > > modest. In the sad event that your own issue wants nothing to do with it, > > I'll take it. :-) > > > > Re: the upcoming Clare Family History Conference > > I will contact the fine folks in NE Clare straight away and see what their > > minds are in regard to our conference... Thanks so much for this suggestion. > > > > Jeanne > > > > > > > > Sharon Carberry wrote: Re: my research > > Since none of my children care a fig about their ancestry > > (nor did I at their ages), not a bit of it is yet in usable form, except > > for > > some exceedingly crude family charts > > typed on my first computer back in 1995. > > > > Re: the upcoming conference in Clare > > Here are some folks in NE Clare who are busy trying > > to preserve family history by reaching those with memories of oldtimes. > > Might be good to keep them > > in mind, as they seem in search of an agenda or way > > in which to focus their efforts. Their page of photos, > > although yet few in number, is a delight. > > > > http://www.aughty.org/index.htm > > > > Family History Discussion Group > > http://www.aughty.org/family.htm > > > > Sharon C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeanne Foley Dwyer" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:20 AM > > Subject: [CLARE] Ashes, ashes, we all fall down! > > > > > > > I like the way you think, Sharon C. So, ah, tell me, who gets your > > research??? > > > Jeanne > > > > > > Sharon Carberry wrote: As for me, I have already > > told my three children they each get a third of my > > > ashes and they can do whatever > > > they wish with their allotment. > > > > > > Sharon C. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jeanne Foley Dwyer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CLARE] 1850 ? voyage of the Jane Black > > > > > > > > > > Not me! Just a nice smallish, tasteful urn on a dusty bookshelf. 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> Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > Since none of my children care a fig about their ancestry I can identify with that, none of mine give a toss! My daughter will listen to my ravings for a bit, just to be polite, the rest wander off as soon as I start! Margaret

Many thanks Sharon I will contact the UNI and ask questions Patrick Luttrell -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Carberry [mailto:sm8carberry@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 11:51 PM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CLARE] Re: Resources for research on nuns Sorry to take awhile to respond. This was not something on which I had anything stored on my computer. However, I did run across today some references that may be useful. See below. Sharon C. Georgia Kathleen Finegan, Director of Library Services Avila University 11901 Wornall Road Kansas City, MO 64145 (816)942-8400, ext.2311 email: finegank@mail.avila.edu Her webpage? http://www.avila.edu/resources/womens_religious/oneill.htm Catholic Archives of Texas has the following: Catholic Directories, 1817-1899: 3,000 mft. -- microfilmed directories of Catholic dioceses and institutions; clergy lists, religious orders of women and men in the U.S., Canada and Mexico; hard copies also available until 1993. [Try Googling for an email address for a reference librarian there.] Nuns in nineteenth-century Ireland Caitriona Clear Publisher: Dublin : Gill and Macmillan ; 1988, c1987. ISBN: 0813206618 DDC: 271.900415 LCC: BX4220 Edition: $34.95 Includes index. May also have this ISBN: 0717114759 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Luttrell" <luttpa@tpg.com.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: RE: [CLARE] Cornelius Smythe & Mary Molony, Finlea (Killaloe) > Sharon is there a similar Cyclopaedia listing the Catholic Nuns that left Co > Clare for the USA in the early 1910-1930's > > Patrick Luttrell > Canberra Australia ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== To change your subscription, to unsub, to check out the list's arcchives http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-CLARE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 9/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 9/08/2006

Hi Sharon I wonder who Mary Carberry is? I will be at the PRO in Melbourne on Monday, will see what else I can find. Robert in Aus -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Carberry [mailto:sm8carberry@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2006 12:05 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CLARE] Re: Clare Emigrants to Victoria... Carberry... Robert, Michael Carberry in this database appears to be the first mention of this one anywhere. I have been reviewing my old files stored on a disk, difficult to read due to old formatting. While I have two sets of material on men named Michael Carberry in connection with Australia, this one of this age from Clare is brand new. I think he may well be the brother of Patrick and Mary Carberry whose descendant is Robyn Maynard of Australia. I last communicated with her in 2004, when she was not able to do research. I'll try her again now, with this new information. Thanks very much. I have been getting bits and pieces of information about Carberry individuals leaving West Clare in the mid to late 1800s. There is also another Patrick Carberry, son of Thomas - that Patrick went to Western New York, where his family is well documented and placed online by a friend of his living descendants. The descendants themselves are not reachable. As you may be aware, my Carberrys were in East Clare, with no apparent connection to anyone in West Clare. I would love to compare research with the West Clare descendants, but I appear to be the only one actively researching. Thus, what you found is very precious. Sharon Carberry Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:35 AM ... > Selection of Irish Folk sponsored in Victoria Australia 1843 to 1857 ... > Information found at PRO in Melbourne, Victoria. Victorian Sponsored > Immigration Index 1856 to 1858 Nominee Order. Fisch 0001, Stand 7, Book > 14A. >...Nominee, Age, From, App No, App Date, Ship and Depositor. ... > Carberry Michael, 20, Co Clare, 313.136.57, 28 April 1857, -, Carberry Mary. .... ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== This list is for the researching of Co Clare Ireland. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

I read your stories with a smile on my face and memories in my heart. My mother was THE genealogist of the family for many years. I did not share her passion. "I cant remember the names of the living, why should I concern myself with the names of the departed?" OR " I have children to raise, dont have time." would be my common answer. I would spend time with her in libraries, she immersed herself in genealogy books, I would take my cross stitch, time well spent together and we both went home happy! Brother, sister in law and I went with mom to Ireland for two weeks of genealogy, she took her notes of what she wanted looked up and brother and I did what she wanted. We all enjoyed that trip and that special time with mom. The next year mom passed away-what do you do with all those file cabinets full of family members? I had become "somewhat" interested during our trip to Ireland. After the funeral I took her "Maley family" file home with me, grabbed a cup of coffee and bega! n reading- I WAS HOOKED!!!! I downloaded her Family Tree Maker File and now I spend HOURS in front of my computer speaking to all of you spread through out the world all in search for the same thing-our ancestors. It has been just 8 months since mom passed away, now she is in Heaven guiding me into this crazy world of genealogy and giving me hints on where to search for them, after all she is now in direct contact with the ones who lived that history-her ancestors. I find little nibbles of information from time to time with her guidance, BUT I find it is not just MY ancestors that fascinate me, it is the whole Irish history that I love reading about and the wonderful people and landscape of Ireland that draws me. DONT give up on your families, they too shall come around and all will not be lost. Yes, they will curse you at times but they will also find themselves sitting on the computer chatting with other genealogists and smiling because of what you have brought them into.! Your legacy will continue I am sure of it.

I don't think it helped that I took them to all those old cemeteries, in blazing heat and in windiest cold. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Garthwaite" <megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [CLARE] ashes ashes > > Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > > Since none of my children care a fig about their ancestry > > > I can identify with that, none of mine give a toss! My daughter will listen > to my ravings for a bit, just to be polite, the rest wander off as soon as I > start! > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > NO VIRUS warnings or topics of any kind relating to this subject to be posted to the list. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >