Catherine, I appreciate your effort and the motivation to add to the skimpy records available for our Clare families. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Eystad" <cadybeth@gmail.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Re: HELP - Margaret Hillary and David Fitzgerald > Oh I do appologize! It is 100 years too late!! Mis-read it as 1827 but it > is 1927. So sorry. > Michael SCULLANE was my gr grandmother's brother. Wrong generation. > > > On 8/16/06, Catherine Eystad <cadybeth@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Sharon > > The name DUGGAN stood out to me. As you know, I am a HEHIR decendant of > > Co Clare with my townland being primarily Formoyle Oughteragh West. I have > > a HEHIR family history here with the following marrige record that lists a > > Patrick DUGGAN as a wittness. It is all I have but I thought you might be > > interested. > > > > > > > > On the* *27th of February 1927, *Michael Scullane *and *Winifred > > O'Loughlin *was shown to have been the daughter of *Michael O'Loughlin, *a > > farmer of *Ballyduff Beg, Inagh. *The witnesses at the marriage were *Patrick > > Duggan *and *Maggie Hegarty. *While *Fr. Thomas O'Reilly *was shown to > > have married the couple. > > > > > > > > On 8/16/06, Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Julie, > > > > > > You have received very considerate responses from > > > Jeanne and Ernene. I am in awe of their determination to reach out to > > > anyone seeking information on a Clare > > > ancestor. > > > > > > I too have some parish entries to share, because my people were related > > > to > > > the Fitzgeralds. You are the first Fitzgerald descendant, to my > > > knowledge > > > (I've been on this list for over 8 years) to have posted here. So, I am > > > > > > disposed to be helpful, but only to a certain extent at this time. Your > > > posting shows that you have not done the work yet to become > > > knowledgeable on > > > how to do Irish research. So, I will provide the data directly bearing > > > on > > > my ties to the Fitzgeralds and will be ready, once you are actually > > > doing > > > serious research, to share the many record references I have to other > > > Fitzgeralds in Clare. I too would like to learn more about this > > > family, > > > but simply throwing a lot of names, dates, and localities at you, when > > > you > > > have no way of doing more with those, would only take a huge chunk of my > > > time without any useful result. > > > > > > BTW the interrelationships among the East Clare > > > families are even more extensive than the below records > > > indicate. Charting the families is the only way to keep > > > clear on which Bridget and which John belongs to > > > which family in which time period. Fortunately there was in East Clare > > > only > > > one basic Carberry family and one basic Tynan family. There were > > > numerous > > > Connells, > > > Donnellans, Hehirs, and Molonys. The O'Hollarens > > > and Lenahans, so important to my Carberrys, were also > > > quite numerous and evidently fairly well off. John Roche, however, was > > > quite singular in this the civil parish of Clonlea for which Kilkishen > > > was a > > > major town, but not much was written about him although he seems to have > > > been fairly prosperous. > > > > > > I have never seen anything like a Hillary surname in East Clare. > > > > > > Hope to hear from you in the future, > > > Sharon Carberry > > > Georgia USA > > > > > > RC Parish of O'Callaghan Mills (LDS film): > > > Baptisms (surviving records start in 1835) > > > > > > 29 Feb 1835 [leap year ?] > > > Mary, of Peter Carberry and Catherine Tynan, > > > no residence noted [this is the only record of > > > this particular Carberry couple, likely residing in > > > Lakyle as did the other Carberrys of this time] > > > sponsors: Dan Linehan > > > Mary Carney > > > > > > 25 Aug 1838 Michael, of Matthias Hehir and > > > Bridget Carberry, residing Lackyle > > > sponsors: Dennis Linehan > > > Catherine Carberry > > > > > > 28/29 Feb 1839 Johanna, of John Roche and > > > Mary Tynan, Cappalaheen > > > sponsors: Patrick Carberry > > > Margaret Molony > > > > > > 27 Dec 1839 Margaret, of Michael Fitzgerald and > > > Margaret Halloran, > > > residing Cappalaheen > > > sponsors: Patrick Carberry > > > Mary B __n__ty [Bentley?] > > > > > > 6 Feb 1861 Mary, of Martin Tynan and > > > Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield > > > sponsors: John Tynan > > > Mary Connell > > > > > > 13 Nov 1864 Margaret, of Martin Tynan and > > > Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield > > > sponsors: James Fitzgerald > > > Mary Connell > > > > > > 16? Apr 1874 Edmund, of Pat Duggan and > > > Ellen Fitzgerald, Backfield > > > [also known as Gortadroma] > > > sponsors: Michael & Bridget Donnellan > > > [This Michael might be the son of > > > Thomas, apparent older brother of my > > > Michael, who was deceased as of 1849] > > > > > > One additional background note: > > > There is a Donnellan pedigree from the National Library, Dublin, which > > > has > > > generations down to two sets > > > of children (two successive marriages) of a Donnellan > > > in Clashduff (neighboring Backfield); the older children > > > shown are Cornelius/Connor and Thomas, plus a note of "other issue." > > > Cornelius (who married Mary Doogan) and Thomas appear in O'Callaghan > > > Mills > > > records with a Michael, who is my ancestor and who appears to be one of > > > the > > > unlisted younger ones on the pedigree. After my Michael died, his family > > > was > > > evicted in Dec 1849. His daughter Bridget (about age 13 in 1849) later > > > in > > > life listed Pat and Bridget Duggan as her parents even while she was > > > stating > > > her sister was Catherine Donnellan Carberry, my ancestor, also residing > > > in > > > the same old-age home where the record was made in about 1910. > > > Michael Donnellan's wife was Anne Connell, confirmed in the records of > > > their > > > last child Michael baptised Sep 1837. I have yet to find a Pat and > > > Bridget > > > Duggan, after ten-plus years of research; Anne and son Michael are > > > also still missing after the eviction.] > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ernene Smedley" <ernene@tpg.com.au> > > > ... > > > > This is the only Fitzgerald entry that I have and I thought I would > > > pass > > > on to you. > > > > > > > > Marriage 21st. October 1838 Edmund O'Brien of Kilkishen to Bridget > > > McMahon of Clonloum > > > > Witnesses were Michael Fitzgerald of Cappalaheen and Mary Carney of > > > Lakyle. > > > ... > > > > > > > > Jules Harris wrote: > > > ... > > > > What I have so far: > > > > Margaret Hillary > > > > > > > > B. 7/06/1836 > > > > > > > > County Clare > > > > > > > M. about 1858 to David Fitzgerald > > > > > > > Immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia onboard the Bee in 1858 > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > > > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > > > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > > > word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > > NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > > last 12 months. 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Rob, Yes, please do supply those. If I can match any to what I have in East Clare, that would be some progress on weaving together the East Clare familie of this name. Thank you. Sharon Carberry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Singleton" <ry.sing@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: [CLARE] Re: HELP - Margaret Hillary and David Fitzgerald > Hi Julie > > I have a considerable number of Fitzgerald's in a list of those interred in > Kilnasoolagh Churchyard, Newmarket on Fergus. Not sure they are part of > yours but they date from 1791 to 1919. Only too happy to supply names and > dates. > > Regards > > > > Rob Singleton > > New Zealamd > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the researching of Co Clare Ireland. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Thank you Patrick for the website you mentioned in your email. It is great............as one who was educated by Irish nuns in Sydney it is a most useful resource for me. Thanks again Patrick, Cheers, Ellen in Tassie Again thank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Luttrell" <luttpa@tpg.com.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: [CLARE] Nun's from Co Clare > Sharon and Larry > > The information gained from you both has opened a lot of avenues of research > and I can only offer my thanks and gratitude for this assistance > > In Australia we have a site that sparked my inquiries! To this end the > attached web site I hope may help other listers looking for These Women of > Vision that came here to OZ. > > http://www.stbedes.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/br/ > > Patrick Luttrell > Canberra Australia > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > This list is for the researching of Co Clare Ireland. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Julie, You have received very considerate responses from Jeanne and Ernene. I am in awe of their determination to reach out to anyone seeking information on a Clare ancestor. I too have some parish entries to share, because my people were related to the Fitzgeralds. You are the first Fitzgerald descendant, to my knowledge (I've been on this list for over 8 years) to have posted here. So, I am disposed to be helpful, but only to a certain extent at this time. Your posting shows that you have not done the work yet to become knowledgeable on how to do Irish research. So, I will provide the data directly bearing on my ties to the Fitzgeralds and will be ready, once you are actually doing serious research, to share the many record references I have to other Fitzgeralds in Clare. I too would like to learn more about this family, but simply throwing a lot of names, dates, and localities at you, when you have no way of doing more with those, would only take a huge chunk of my time without any useful result. BTW the interrelationships among the East Clare families are even more extensive than the below records indicate. Charting the families is the only way to keep clear on which Bridget and which John belongs to which family in which time period. Fortunately there was in East Clare only one basic Carberry family and one basic Tynan family. There were numerous Connells, Donnellans, Hehirs, and Molonys. The O'Hollarens and Lenahans, so important to my Carberrys, were also quite numerous and evidently fairly well off. John Roche, however, was quite singular in this the civil parish of Clonlea for which Kilkishen was a major town, but not much was written about him although he seems to have been fairly prosperous. I have never seen anything like a Hillary surname in East Clare. Hope to hear from you in the future, Sharon Carberry Georgia USA RC Parish of O'Callaghan Mills (LDS film): Baptisms (surviving records start in 1835) 29 Feb 1835 [leap year ?] Mary, of Peter Carberry and Catherine Tynan, no residence noted [this is the only record of this particular Carberry couple, likely residing in Lakyle as did the other Carberrys of this time] sponsors: Dan Linehan Mary Carney 25 Aug 1838 Michael, of Matthias Hehir and Bridget Carberry, residing Lackyle sponsors: Dennis Linehan Catherine Carberry 28/29 Feb 1839 Johanna, of John Roche and Mary Tynan, Cappalaheen sponsors: Patrick Carberry Margaret Molony 27 Dec 1839 Margaret, of Michael Fitzgerald and Margaret Halloran, residing Cappalaheen sponsors: Patrick Carberry Mary B __n__ty [Bentley?] 6 Feb 1861 Mary, of Martin Tynan and Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield sponsors: John Tynan Mary Connell 13 Nov 1864 Margaret, of Martin Tynan and Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield sponsors: James Fitzgerald Mary Connell 16? Apr 1874 Edmund, of Pat Duggan and Ellen Fitzgerald, Backfield [also known as Gortadroma] sponsors: Michael & Bridget Donnellan [This Michael might be the son of Thomas, apparent older brother of my Michael, who was deceased as of 1849] One additional background note: There is a Donnellan pedigree from the National Library, Dublin, which has generations down to two sets of children (two successive marriages) of a Donnellan in Clashduff (neighboring Backfield); the older children shown are Cornelius/Connor and Thomas, plus a note of "other issue." Cornelius (who married Mary Doogan) and Thomas appear in O'Callaghan Mills records with a Michael, who is my ancestor and who appears to be one of the unlisted younger ones on the pedigree. After my Michael died, his family was evicted in Dec 1849. His daughter Bridget (about age 13 in 1849) later in life listed Pat and Bridget Duggan as her parents even while she was stating her sister was Catherine Donnellan Carberry, my ancestor, also residing in the same old-age home where the record was made in about 1910. Michael Donnellan's wife was Anne Connell, confirmed in the records of their last child Michael baptised Sep 1837. I have yet to find a Pat and Bridget Duggan, after ten-plus years of research; Anne and son Michael are also still missing after the eviction.] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernene Smedley" <ernene@tpg.com.au> ... > This is the only Fitzgerald entry that I have and I thought I would pass on to you. > > Marriage 21st. October 1838 Edmund O'Brien of Kilkishen to Bridget McMahon of Clonloum > Witnesses were Michael Fitzgerald of Cappalaheen and Mary Carney of Lakyle. ... > > Jules Harris wrote: ... > What I have so far: > Margaret Hillary > > B. 7/06/1836 > > County Clare > M. about 1858 to David Fitzgerald > Immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia onboard the Bee in 1858 ...

Oh I do appologize! It is 100 years too late!! Mis-read it as 1827 but it is 1927. So sorry. Michael SCULLANE was my gr grandmother's brother. Wrong generation. On 8/16/06, Catherine Eystad <cadybeth@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sharon > The name DUGGAN stood out to me. As you know, I am a HEHIR decendant of > Co Clare with my townland being primarily Formoyle Oughteragh West. I have > a HEHIR family history here with the following marrige record that lists a > Patrick DUGGAN as a wittness. It is all I have but I thought you might be > interested. > > > > On the* *27th of February 1927, *Michael Scullane *and *Winifred > O'Loughlin *was shown to have been the daughter of *Michael O'Loughlin, *a > farmer of *Ballyduff Beg, Inagh. *The witnesses at the marriage were *Patrick > Duggan *and *Maggie Hegarty. *While *Fr. Thomas O'Reilly *was shown to > have married the couple. > > > > On 8/16/06, Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Julie, > > > > You have received very considerate responses from > > Jeanne and Ernene. I am in awe of their determination to reach out to > > anyone seeking information on a Clare > > ancestor. > > > > I too have some parish entries to share, because my people were related > > to > > the Fitzgeralds. You are the first Fitzgerald descendant, to my > > knowledge > > (I've been on this list for over 8 years) to have posted here. So, I am > > > > disposed to be helpful, but only to a certain extent at this time. Your > > posting shows that you have not done the work yet to become > > knowledgeable on > > how to do Irish research. So, I will provide the data directly bearing > > on > > my ties to the Fitzgeralds and will be ready, once you are actually > > doing > > serious research, to share the many record references I have to other > > Fitzgeralds in Clare. I too would like to learn more about this > > family, > > but simply throwing a lot of names, dates, and localities at you, when > > you > > have no way of doing more with those, would only take a huge chunk of my > > time without any useful result. > > > > BTW the interrelationships among the East Clare > > families are even more extensive than the below records > > indicate. Charting the families is the only way to keep > > clear on which Bridget and which John belongs to > > which family in which time period. Fortunately there was in East Clare > > only > > one basic Carberry family and one basic Tynan family. There were > > numerous > > Connells, > > Donnellans, Hehirs, and Molonys. The O'Hollarens > > and Lenahans, so important to my Carberrys, were also > > quite numerous and evidently fairly well off. John Roche, however, was > > quite singular in this the civil parish of Clonlea for which Kilkishen > > was a > > major town, but not much was written about him although he seems to have > > been fairly prosperous. > > > > I have never seen anything like a Hillary surname in East Clare. > > > > Hope to hear from you in the future, > > Sharon Carberry > > Georgia USA > > > > RC Parish of O'Callaghan Mills (LDS film): > > Baptisms (surviving records start in 1835) > > > > 29 Feb 1835 [leap year ?] > > Mary, of Peter Carberry and Catherine Tynan, > > no residence noted [this is the only record of > > this particular Carberry couple, likely residing in > > Lakyle as did the other Carberrys of this time] > > sponsors: Dan Linehan > > Mary Carney > > > > 25 Aug 1838 Michael, of Matthias Hehir and > > Bridget Carberry, residing Lackyle > > sponsors: Dennis Linehan > > Catherine Carberry > > > > 28/29 Feb 1839 Johanna, of John Roche and > > Mary Tynan, Cappalaheen > > sponsors: Patrick Carberry > > Margaret Molony > > > > 27 Dec 1839 Margaret, of Michael Fitzgerald and > > Margaret Halloran, > > residing Cappalaheen > > sponsors: Patrick Carberry > > Mary B __n__ty [Bentley?] > > > > 6 Feb 1861 Mary, of Martin Tynan and > > Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield > > sponsors: John Tynan > > Mary Connell > > > > 13 Nov 1864 Margaret, of Martin Tynan and > > Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield > > sponsors: James Fitzgerald > > Mary Connell > > > > 16? Apr 1874 Edmund, of Pat Duggan and > > Ellen Fitzgerald, Backfield > > [also known as Gortadroma] > > sponsors: Michael & Bridget Donnellan > > [This Michael might be the son of > > Thomas, apparent older brother of my > > Michael, who was deceased as of 1849] > > > > One additional background note: > > There is a Donnellan pedigree from the National Library, Dublin, which > > has > > generations down to two sets > > of children (two successive marriages) of a Donnellan > > in Clashduff (neighboring Backfield); the older children > > shown are Cornelius/Connor and Thomas, plus a note of "other issue." > > Cornelius (who married Mary Doogan) and Thomas appear in O'Callaghan > > Mills > > records with a Michael, who is my ancestor and who appears to be one of > > the > > unlisted younger ones on the pedigree. After my Michael died, his family > > was > > evicted in Dec 1849. His daughter Bridget (about age 13 in 1849) later > > in > > life listed Pat and Bridget Duggan as her parents even while she was > > stating > > her sister was Catherine Donnellan Carberry, my ancestor, also residing > > in > > the same old-age home where the record was made in about 1910. > > Michael Donnellan's wife was Anne Connell, confirmed in the records of > > their > > last child Michael baptised Sep 1837. I have yet to find a Pat and > > Bridget > > Duggan, after ten-plus years of research; Anne and son Michael are > > also still missing after the eviction.] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ernene Smedley" <ernene@tpg.com.au> > > ... > > > This is the only Fitzgerald entry that I have and I thought I would > > pass > > on to you. > > > > > > Marriage 21st. October 1838 Edmund O'Brien of Kilkishen to Bridget > > McMahon of Clonloum > > > Witnesses were Michael Fitzgerald of Cappalaheen and Mary Carney of > > Lakyle. > > ... > > > > > > Jules Harris wrote: > > ... > > > What I have so far: > > > Margaret Hillary > > > > > > B. 7/06/1836 > > > > > > County Clare > > > > > M. about 1858 to David Fitzgerald > > > > > Immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia onboard the Bee in 1858 > > ... > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the > > word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

Sharon The name DUGGAN stood out to me. As you know, I am a HEHIR decendant of Co Clare with my townland being primarily Formoyle Oughteragh West. I have a HEHIR family history here with the following marrige record that lists a Patrick DUGGAN as a wittness. It is all I have but I thought you might be interested. On the* *27th of February 1927, *Michael Scullane *and *Winifred O'Loughlin *was shown to have been the daughter of *Michael O'Loughlin, *a farmer of *Ballyduff Beg, Inagh. *The witnesses at the marriage were *Patrick Duggan *and *Maggie Hegarty. *While *Fr. Thomas O'Reilly *was shown to have married the couple. On 8/16/06, Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > > Julie, > > You have received very considerate responses from > Jeanne and Ernene. I am in awe of their determination to reach out to > anyone seeking information on a Clare > ancestor. > > I too have some parish entries to share, because my people were related to > the Fitzgeralds. You are the first Fitzgerald descendant, to my knowledge > (I've been on this list for over 8 years) to have posted here. So, I am > disposed to be helpful, but only to a certain extent at this time. Your > posting shows that you have not done the work yet to become knowledgeable > on > how to do Irish research. So, I will provide the data directly bearing on > my ties to the Fitzgeralds and will be ready, once you are actually doing > serious research, to share the many record references I have to other > Fitzgeralds in Clare. I too would like to learn more about this family, > but simply throwing a lot of names, dates, and localities at you, when you > have no way of doing more with those, would only take a huge chunk of my > time without any useful result. > > BTW the interrelationships among the East Clare > families are even more extensive than the below records > indicate. Charting the families is the only way to keep > clear on which Bridget and which John belongs to > which family in which time period. Fortunately there was in East Clare > only > one basic Carberry family and one basic Tynan family. There were numerous > Connells, > Donnellans, Hehirs, and Molonys. The O'Hollarens > and Lenahans, so important to my Carberrys, were also > quite numerous and evidently fairly well off. John Roche, however, was > quite singular in this the civil parish of Clonlea for which Kilkishen was > a > major town, but not much was written about him although he seems to have > been fairly prosperous. > > I have never seen anything like a Hillary surname in East Clare. > > Hope to hear from you in the future, > Sharon Carberry > Georgia USA > > RC Parish of O'Callaghan Mills (LDS film): > Baptisms (surviving records start in 1835) > > 29 Feb 1835 [leap year ?] > Mary, of Peter Carberry and Catherine Tynan, > no residence noted [this is the only record of > this particular Carberry couple, likely residing in > Lakyle as did the other Carberrys of this time] > sponsors: Dan Linehan > Mary Carney > > 25 Aug 1838 Michael, of Matthias Hehir and > Bridget Carberry, residing Lackyle > sponsors: Dennis Linehan > Catherine Carberry > > 28/29 Feb 1839 Johanna, of John Roche and > Mary Tynan, Cappalaheen > sponsors: Patrick Carberry > Margaret Molony > > 27 Dec 1839 Margaret, of Michael Fitzgerald and > Margaret Halloran, > residing Cappalaheen > sponsors: Patrick Carberry > Mary B __n__ty [Bentley?] > > 6 Feb 1861 Mary, of Martin Tynan and > Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield > sponsors: John Tynan > Mary Connell > > 13 Nov 1864 Margaret, of Martin Tynan and > Catherine Fitzgerald, Oatfield > sponsors: James Fitzgerald > Mary Connell > > 16? Apr 1874 Edmund, of Pat Duggan and > Ellen Fitzgerald, Backfield > [also known as Gortadroma] > sponsors: Michael & Bridget Donnellan > [This Michael might be the son of > Thomas, apparent older brother of my > Michael, who was deceased as of 1849] > > One additional background note: > There is a Donnellan pedigree from the National Library, Dublin, which has > generations down to two sets > of children (two successive marriages) of a Donnellan > in Clashduff (neighboring Backfield); the older children > shown are Cornelius/Connor and Thomas, plus a note of "other issue." > Cornelius (who married Mary Doogan) and Thomas appear in O'Callaghan Mills > records with a Michael, who is my ancestor and who appears to be one of > the > unlisted younger ones on the pedigree. After my Michael died, his family > was > evicted in Dec 1849. His daughter Bridget (about age 13 in 1849) later in > life listed Pat and Bridget Duggan as her parents even while she was > stating > her sister was Catherine Donnellan Carberry, my ancestor, also residing in > the same old-age home where the record was made in about 1910. > Michael Donnellan's wife was Anne Connell, confirmed in the records of > their > last child Michael baptised Sep 1837. I have yet to find a Pat and Bridget > Duggan, after ten-plus years of research; Anne and son Michael are > also still missing after the eviction.] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernene Smedley" <ernene@tpg.com.au> > ... > > This is the only Fitzgerald entry that I have and I thought I would pass > on to you. > > > > Marriage 21st. October 1838 Edmund O'Brien of Kilkishen to Bridget > McMahon of Clonloum > > Witnesses were Michael Fitzgerald of Cappalaheen and Mary Carney of > Lakyle. > ... > > > > Jules Harris wrote: > ... > > What I have so far: > > Margaret Hillary > > > > B. 7/06/1836 > > > > County Clare > > > M. about 1858 to David Fitzgerald > > > Immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia onboard the Bee in 1858 > ... > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi List, There have been a few queries recently about immigration, so I thought I'd mention the following publication which is now on the shelves at the Clare Library Local Studies Centre: "To and from Ireland: planned migration schemes, c. 1600 - 2000" edited by Patrick J. Duffy (Dublin: Geography Publications, 2004) http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/library/local-studies/recent_additions.htm Personally, I am hoping it will answer some of those questions about how assisted immigrants travelled from their home to their port of departure (in my case, in England), but I don't know as yet. Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurches/index.html

Sharon and Larry The information gained from you both has opened a lot of avenues of research and I can only offer my thanks and gratitude for this assistance In Australia we have a site that sparked my inquiries! To this end the attached web site I hope may help other listers looking for These Women of Vision that came here to OZ. http://www.stbedes.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/br/ Patrick Luttrell Canberra Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006

Jo and Mary Ellen, Thank you so much for your responding to my questions. Really appreciate your suggestions and insights. Am hitting the bookstores and local libraries today. One work that I think is very useful in understanding the impact of Irish-Scottish-English-Welch-Cornish cultures on the development of American culture is David Hackett Smith's Albion's Seed. He is a social historian, thus the perspective is more anthropological than political or economic, and he writes extremely well. Wondered if there is a comparable web site for Irish women who became nuns in the States? One of my great grandmother's sisters entered a covenant in Washington D.C. She did china painting and I am the fortunate holder of several of her pieces. Thanks again Jo, Mary Ellen and other listers for the continually interesting and informative discussion. Kerry McGrath Iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: Joanne Mitchell<mailto:jomitch@ncable.net.au> To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: [CLARE] Irish immigration Hi List, There have been a few queries recently about immigration, so I thought I'd mention the following publication which is now on the shelves at the Clare Library Local Studies Centre: "To and from Ireland: planned migration schemes, c. 1600 - 2000" edited by Patrick J. Duffy (Dublin: Geography Publications, 2004) http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/library/local-studies/recent_additions.htm<http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/library/local-studies/recent_additions.htm> Personally, I am hoping it will answer some of those questions about how assisted immigrants travelled from their home to their port of departure (in my case, in England), but I don't know as yet. Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurches/index.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurches/index.html> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com> or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com> and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

For the next few days your list admin temp will be Donal Kelly, as I am just tossing my last bits n pieces in a suit case to head up North to Ireland. So its over to Don now with many thanks I will pick up my duties within a week and nothing has changed not even my email address at this stage for Co Clare. May your researching go well Cara -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Hi All I am trying to find out the birth, marriage, parent details on the above. What I have so far: Margaret Hillary B. 7/06/1836 County Clare M. about 1858 to David Fitzgerald Immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia onboard the Bee in 1858 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ta Julie Perth, Western Australia

Hi Kerry, A book I came across which may be of interest is as follows: "Ireland Since 1800: conflict and conformity" by K. Theodore Hoppen published by Longman, London and New York, copyright 1989, ISBN 0-582-03938-X. It doesn't deal specifically with County Clare, but as I remember (it's a while since I read it), it does deal with several of the areas you mention. It has a bibliography and index and some statistical data is in table form. The first section deals with the period from Union to the Famine, the second from the Famine to partition and the last from partition onwards. Each section is divided into three parts looking at politics, society and religion. > Did the other political subdivisions, e.g. Baronies, Unions and District Electoral Divisions, have any significance or impact on their lives. For administrative purposes yes, they would have been relevant. Your Registrar's District determined where you registered your birth, death and marriages after 1864. From the 1830s onwards, the Poor Law Unions determined which workhouse you ended up in if you couldn't support yourself and from a landlord's perspective, it determined which union board you might have sat on as a Guardian and where your taxes went. This site might be of interest for more details on the Poor Law: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/UnionsIreland.html Your Church of Ireland parish would have determined where your tithe payments went and for most of course, the RC parish determined where you attended Mass. > What was the appropriate age for men to marry and for women to marry? In the case of my own families, I have found that often the men were older (30-40+ years) when they married, having waited to inherit if they were the eldest, whereas their wives were in their 20s. Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia

Hi, again, Julie, My apologies for a rather terse and incomplete answer. From the point where I left off, I would pursue the parish records for the townland of Cloghoolia, civil parish of Clonlea. I don't know anything about this area of Clare, as you yourself might not, so here's what I did: Went back to the "genealogy" page and looked at the lower right corner, clicking on "church records". This will open up to a long page that begins with a table of Church of Ireland parishes. If you scroll down, you'll see the RC parishes table. Clonlea's cells instructs one to look at Killuran, which gives the following: Civil Parish: Killuran RC Parish: O'Callaghan's Mills Diocese:KL Earliest Record: b.1.1835; m. 1.1835 Parish Address: The Parish Priest, O'Callaghan's Mills, Co. Clare Regarding the dates, this is very helpful, especially if there was a Hillery/Hillary family in the parish, too. A search of the 1855 Griffith's Val. Surname Index again, using Hellary, Hilary, Hillary, and Hillery doesn't yield one in that parish; however, it's possible that Margaret came from a different parish. If you have any indication of David's birth date, a request for a search of O'Callaghan's Mills' parish records may yield David's parents' names. Now, I'm through. :-) Jeanne Jeanne Foley Dwyer <socrates_399@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi, Julie, A quick look on www.clarelibrary.ie (click on "genealogy", click on 1855 Griffith's Valuation Surname Index, click on "F", click on the right alphabetized range) yields only one David Fitzgerald. I would work on that one for starters. Good luck! Jeanne Jules Harris wrote: Hi All I am trying to find out the birth, marriage, parent details on the above. What I have so far: Margaret Hillary B. 7/06/1836 County Clare M. about 1858 to David Fitzgerald Immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia onboard the Bee in 1858 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ta Julie Perth, Western Australia ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== NO VIRUS warnings or topics of any kind relating to this subject to be posted to the list. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Hello all, Gay, I was intrigued when you mentioned the familiar physical characteristics of your husband and Michael McNamara... We always thought that of the three sisters in the family, my mother was the most Irish looking, a little like the next sister up, but not as much like the older sister. When we went to New Zealand, many years ago, we called to meet one of Mum's first cousins for the first time. When she opened the door, I could have sworn it was the middle sister of Mum's family... right down to the glasses and the too short perm.. 'to make it last'. Her home was decorated in much the same way as my Aunt's, even as to where the crucifix and the Holy pictures were. As she spoke, I could have been listening to my mother... then she brought out afternoon tea and proudly told us she was known for her sponges...as was Mum's older sister. This New Zealand lady was Mum's sister's daughter... she had only ever met my Mum briefly, when my Mum visited there a couple of years previously. Yet, without knowing any of the rest of the family, and thus being able to absorb different habits, likes, etc. she was living a mirror life in so many ways. Mum's mother and her Aunt had parted company some 60 plus years before, one staying in New Zealand, the other continuing to Australia, and never saw each other again. It was some years later, that I was given some photos of various members of Mum's family from Ireland and also her paternal side and there were so many of them that looked so familiar, many generations apart. They lived in varying times of better food, easier lives, more of the 'good things' you might say, yet so many years gone by and the physical characteristics remain so similar, even down to the height. Just another reason why this genealogical journey is so intriguing... Chris Gay O'Neill wrote: > I have been wondering if the Michael McNamara that is mentioned in the > article is the same Michael McNamara who owns Jamaica Inn, > Sixmilebridge, Co Clare which is 16 miles from Limerick.. > I must admit I almost fell over when he stood side by side my own > husband... same body, build, big head, regular size body and short > legs..with a little pot tummy.. > Pans out his McNamara family came from the same area as my husbands. > Working for him was his cousin an O'Neill and she was related to > another O'Neill we were introduced to.. who looked identical to my > husbands father and brother.Our O'Neill's/McNamara family left Clare > in the 1850's yet the facial features were passed on and still current > in today's O'Neill residents in the area. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Crehan" > <ellencrehan@bigpond.com> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [CLARE] Clare Champion Article on Genealogy > > >> Dear Jennifer, >> >> >> Thank you so much for taking the time and posting this excellent >> article.......... >> Michael McNamara is, in my opinion,correct to say that the potential for >> tourism in Ireland could be tapped if relatives(descendants)could >> find an >> easier way to trace their roots there. >> Given the level of interest with Family History Research being >> carried out >> in other countries(here in Australia for example it is of >> "gi-normous"proportions) and I wonder if the Irish authorities in >> Tourism >> realise what a gold mine there is for them through this medium? >> >> Just cheap flights and accommodation is all that is required by the good >> people(The authorities) to see tourism increased big time! >> >> Cheers and again thank you Jennifer for posting. >> >> Ellen in Tasmania >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Hyatt" >> <jhyatt72@eircom.net> >> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:13 PM >> Subject: [CLARE] Clare Champion Article on Genealogy >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Here's an article that was in this week's Clare Champion. I thought it >> might be of interest. (no author noted) >>> >>> A Genealogical Wealth of Information >>> >>> The provision of a proper information board chronicling the >>> inscriptions >> of deceased families in old graveyards throughout South-East Clare, >> could >> provide a tourism spin-off for local communities. >>> >>> That's according to an Ardnacrusha based local genealogist who has >>> spent >> the last few years logging the names and details of deceased families >> from >> headstones in cemeteries, most of which have been in Meelick and >> Parteen. >>> >>> Michael McNamara recently met an Australian couple outisde a >>> graveyard in >> Limerick who learnt their ancestors left Ireland to go to Australia >> after >> they had completed a family history. >>> >>> Tracing Irish ancestry has generated huge interest in the U.S. and >> Australia and Michael believes that this tourism potential could be >> tapped >> if relatives found it easier to trace their roots in Ireland. >>> >>> He told the Clare Champion that information displays and an appropriate >> plaque could be provided in old graveyards, which would prove to be a >> huge >> attraction for tourists and visitors who were keen to establish if their >> family name was mentioned on any headstone. >>> >>> "It would be great if a plaque or information board with >>> inscriptions of >> deceased families was provided by the council for tourists and people >> trying >> to complete their family history. It can be hard to see some of the >> names >> which have faded over time and a lot can depend on the way the sun >> hits an >> inscription at a particular angle," he said. >>> >>> Over the last few years, he has logged inscriptions in a number of >> cemeteries including Truagh, Doonass; Kilquane; Meelick Catholic Church >> Grounds, Church of Ireland, Punchbowl, Meelick and the hill graveyard in >> Ogonneloe. >>> >>> Battling with undergrowth, briars and other obstacles, he completes >>> this >> time consuming task during his spare time and subsequently publishes the >> results in the Slieve Aughty Journal, which is available from the >> East Clare >> Heritage Centre, Tuamgraney. >>> >>> He is currently logging the headstones of the old and new graveyard at >> Craughaun Cratloe, which includes the ruins of an old church and burial >> chamber in the older section. >>> >>> Members of the BLOOD family, who were well known landlords in Cratloe, >> were buried in the graveyard. >>> >>> Mr. McNamara's diligent recording work has been welcomed by local >> historian, Donal O'Riain, who also agreed that a permanent structure >> with >> inscriptions of deceased families would be extremely useful for people >> trying to trace their ancestry. >>> >>> All the best >>> Jennifer >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>

Hi, Julie, A quick look on www.clarelibrary.ie (click on "genealogy", click on 1855 Griffith's Valuation Surname Index, click on "F", click on the right alphabetized range) yields only one David Fitzgerald. I would work on that one for starters. Good luck! Jeanne Jules Harris <jhar9618@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hi All I am trying to find out the birth, marriage, parent details on the above. What I have so far: Margaret Hillary B. 7/06/1836 County Clare M. about 1858 to David Fitzgerald Immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia onboard the Bee in 1858 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ta Julie Perth, Western Australia ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Sharon, Thanks for the posting! Monsignor Patrick J. McNamara was my g-grandfather's brother. Patrick was probably born at Kilnasoolagh, the son of Matthew McNamara and Catherine Coffee/y. He was baptized January 23, 1844. He died April 12, 1912 in Amityville, NY. He is buried in Holy Cross Cemetery, NYC. Newspapers of the day were busy covering the sinking of the Titanic. Patrick's brother, the Rev. Canon John (sometimes called Matt) built the church at Bodyke, Co. Clare, and is buried there. A beautiful, ornate scroll was given to him by parishioners as a tribute and is now at the University of St. Thomas library in St. Paul, MN. The third known brother, my great-grandfather, Michael, settled in Minnesota. Due to the efforts of our aunt in the late 1970s, we're still in touch with relatives in the Newmarket-on-Fergus area. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Carberry [mailto:sm8carberry@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:51 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CLARE] Patrick J. McNamara b. 1844 Clare, Brooklyn parish McNamara, Rt. Rev, Mgr., Patrick Joseph (Domestic Prelate, Brooklyn, N.Y.) Norn January 23, 1844, in Co. Clare, Ireland; ordained June 30, 1870, in St. mary's Seminary, Baltimore, Md., by Bp. Foley, of Chicago; named Domestic Prelate June 27, 1895; invested in Brooklyn, by Bp. McDonnell. (Data from Mgr. McNamara) p. 73 Biographical Cyclopaedia of the Catholic Hierarchy of the United States, 1784-1898 ISBN: 0524070385 Publisher: M. H. Wiltzius Author(s): Francis X. Reuss Publication Date: 1898 posted by Sharon C. ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_cen sus.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I have been wondering if the Michael McNamara that is mentioned in the article is the same Michael McNamara who owns Jamaica Inn, Sixmilebridge, Co Clare which is 16 miles from Limerick.. I know he is he also associated with Tourism. My husband and I met him outside the tourist bureau in Sixmilebridge when chasing the O'Neill, McNamara ancestors from Rossroe/Sixmilebridge and also looking for a place to stay in the townland the ancestors came from. I must admit I almost fell over when he stood side by side my own husband... same body, build, big head, regular size body and short legs..with a little pot tummy.. Pans out his McNamara family came from the same area as my husbands. Working for him was his cousin an O'Neill and she was related to another O'Neill we were introduced to.. who looked identical to my husbands father and brother.Our O'Neill's/McNamara family left Clare in the 1850's yet the facial features were passed on and still current in today's O'Neill residents in the area. We have returned to the Jamaica Inn , Sixmilebridge Co Clare for all the four visits to Ireland we have had... Michael McNamara and his wife have formed a lovely friendship with myself and my husband and Michael Mc.. has taken my Michael O'Neill to an original McNamara castle that has not been restored. Both wore gum boots and tracked through the farmers land and climbed up into the castle and taking life into their own hands explored the ruin. It was such a memorable moment. The O'Neill connection from Sixmilebridge took my husband to Truagh cemetery which is about a 20 minute drive from Sixmilebridge and there were original O'Neill burials dating back many hundreds of years including an Obelisk with the Red Hand symbol.. very very old and symbolising the O'Neill's who came down from Ulster ready to fight a battle..and after fighting ended in defeat those left spread out into Limerick and the Clare area. Or so I am told.. Warm regards Gay O'Neill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Crehan" <ellencrehan@bigpond.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Clare Champion Article on Genealogy > Dear Jennifer, > > > Thank you so much for taking the time and posting this excellent > article.......... > Michael McNamara is, in my opinion,correct to say that the potential for > tourism in Ireland could be tapped if relatives(descendants)could find an > easier way to trace their roots there. > Given the level of interest with Family History Research being carried > out > in other countries(here in Australia for example it is of > "gi-normous"proportions) and I wonder if the Irish authorities in Tourism > realise what a gold mine there is for them through this medium? > > Just cheap flights and accommodation is all that is required by the good > people(The authorities) to see tourism increased big time! > > Cheers and again thank you Jennifer for posting. > > Ellen in Tasmania > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Hyatt" <jhyatt72@eircom.net> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:13 PM > Subject: [CLARE] Clare Champion Article on Genealogy > > >> Hi all, >> >> Here's an article that was in this week's Clare Champion. I thought it > might be of interest. (no author noted) >> >> A Genealogical Wealth of Information >> >> The provision of a proper information board chronicling the inscriptions > of deceased families in old graveyards throughout South-East Clare, could > provide a tourism spin-off for local communities. >> >> That's according to an Ardnacrusha based local genealogist who has spent > the last few years logging the names and details of deceased families from > headstones in cemeteries, most of which have been in Meelick and Parteen. >> >> Michael McNamara recently met an Australian couple outisde a graveyard in > Limerick who learnt their ancestors left Ireland to go to Australia after > they had completed a family history. >> >> Tracing Irish ancestry has generated huge interest in the U.S. and > Australia and Michael believes that this tourism potential could be tapped > if relatives found it easier to trace their roots in Ireland. >> >> He told the Clare Champion that information displays and an appropriate > plaque could be provided in old graveyards, which would prove to be a huge > attraction for tourists and visitors who were keen to establish if their > family name was mentioned on any headstone. >> >> "It would be great if a plaque or information board with inscriptions of > deceased families was provided by the council for tourists and people > trying > to complete their family history. It can be hard to see some of the names > which have faded over time and a lot can depend on the way the sun hits an > inscription at a particular angle," he said. >> >> Over the last few years, he has logged inscriptions in a number of > cemeteries including Truagh, Doonass; Kilquane; Meelick Catholic Church > Grounds, Church of Ireland, Punchbowl, Meelick and the hill graveyard in > Ogonneloe. >> >> Battling with undergrowth, briars and other obstacles, he completes this > time consuming task during his spare time and subsequently publishes the > results in the Slieve Aughty Journal, which is available from the East > Clare > Heritage Centre, Tuamgraney. >> >> He is currently logging the headstones of the old and new graveyard at > Craughaun Cratloe, which includes the ruins of an old church and burial > chamber in the older section. >> >> Members of the BLOOD family, who were well known landlords in Cratloe, > were buried in the graveyard. >> >> Mr. McNamara's diligent recording work has been welcomed by local > historian, Donal O'Riain, who also agreed that a permanent structure with > inscriptions of deceased families would be extremely useful for people > trying to trace their ancestry. >> >> All the best >> Jennifer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property >> Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the >> word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. >> NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. 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Dear Jennifer, Thank you so much for taking the time and posting this excellent article.......... Michael McNamara is, in my opinion,correct to say that the potential for tourism in Ireland could be tapped if relatives(descendants)could find an easier way to trace their roots there. Given the level of interest with Family History Research being carried out in other countries(here in Australia for example it is of "gi-normous"proportions) and I wonder if the Irish authorities in Tourism realise what a gold mine there is for them through this medium? Just cheap flights and accommodation is all that is required by the good people(The authorities) to see tourism increased big time! Cheers and again thank you Jennifer for posting. Ellen in Tasmania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Hyatt" <jhyatt72@eircom.net> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: [CLARE] Clare Champion Article on Genealogy > Hi all, > > Here's an article that was in this week's Clare Champion. I thought it might be of interest. (no author noted) > > A Genealogical Wealth of Information > > The provision of a proper information board chronicling the inscriptions of deceased families in old graveyards throughout South-East Clare, could provide a tourism spin-off for local communities. > > That's according to an Ardnacrusha based local genealogist who has spent the last few years logging the names and details of deceased families from headstones in cemeteries, most of which have been in Meelick and Parteen. > > Michael McNamara recently met an Australian couple outisde a graveyard in Limerick who learnt their ancestors left Ireland to go to Australia after they had completed a family history. > > Tracing Irish ancestry has generated huge interest in the U.S. and Australia and Michael believes that this tourism potential could be tapped if relatives found it easier to trace their roots in Ireland. > > He told the Clare Champion that information displays and an appropriate plaque could be provided in old graveyards, which would prove to be a huge attraction for tourists and visitors who were keen to establish if their family name was mentioned on any headstone. > > "It would be great if a plaque or information board with inscriptions of deceased families was provided by the council for tourists and people trying to complete their family history. It can be hard to see some of the names which have faded over time and a lot can depend on the way the sun hits an inscription at a particular angle," he said. > > Over the last few years, he has logged inscriptions in a number of cemeteries including Truagh, Doonass; Kilquane; Meelick Catholic Church Grounds, Church of Ireland, Punchbowl, Meelick and the hill graveyard in Ogonneloe. > > Battling with undergrowth, briars and other obstacles, he completes this time consuming task during his spare time and subsequently publishes the results in the Slieve Aughty Journal, which is available from the East Clare Heritage Centre, Tuamgraney. > > He is currently logging the headstones of the old and new graveyard at Craughaun Cratloe, which includes the ruins of an old church and burial chamber in the older section. > > Members of the BLOOD family, who were well known landlords in Cratloe, were buried in the graveyard. > > Mr. McNamara's diligent recording work has been welcomed by local historian, Donal O'Riain, who also agreed that a permanent structure with inscriptions of deceased families would be extremely useful for people trying to trace their ancestry. > > All the best > Jennifer > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property > Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

My James Minehan and his wife Annie (Hannan) ran a Blacksmith's forge in Knockballynameath(GV 1855)which is in the Parteen/Meelick parish but I have been unable to locate their burial site. Is there any way to access Michael McNamara's listings? John Minahan in OZ searching Minahan/Hannan/McNamara/O'Meally Co. Clare -----Original Message----- From: mamasi@comcast.net [mailto:mamasi@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, 13 August 2006 9:36 PM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] Clare Champion Article on Genealogy Bless Michael McNamara, and I hope he finds his way over to west Clare. Thanks, Jennifer, for this article. Melody -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jennifer Hyatt" <jhyatt72@eircom.net> > Hi all, > > Here's an article that was in this week's Clare Champion. I thought it might be > of interest. (no author noted) > > A Genealogical Wealth of Information > > The provision of a proper information board chronicling the inscriptions of > deceased families in old graveyards throughout South-East Clare, could provide a > tourism spin-off for local communities. > > That's according to an Ardnacrusha based local genealogist who has spent the > last few years logging the names and details of deceased families from > headstones in cemeteries, most of which have been in Meelick and Parteen. > > Michael McNamara recently met an Australian couple outisde a graveyard in > Limerick who learnt their ancestors left Ireland to go to Australia after they > had completed a family history. > > Tracing Irish ancestry has generated huge interest in the U.S. and Australia and > Michael believes that this tourism potential could be tapped if relatives found > it easier to trace their roots in Ireland. > > He told the Clare Champion that information displays and an appropriate plaque > could be provided in old graveyards, which would prove to be a huge attraction > for tourists and visitors who were keen to establish if their family name was > mentioned on any headstone. > > "It would be great if a plaque or information board with inscriptions of > deceased families was provided by the council for tourists and people trying to > complete their family history. It can be hard to see some of the names which > have faded over time and a lot can depend on the way the sun hits an inscription > at a particular angle," he said. > > Over the last few years, he has logged inscriptions in a number of cemeteries > including Truagh, Doonass; Kilquane; Meelick Catholic Church Grounds, Church of > Ireland, Punchbowl, Meelick and the hill graveyard in Ogonneloe. > > Battling with undergrowth, briars and other obstacles, he completes this time > consuming task during his spare time and subsequently publishes the results in > the Slieve Aughty Journal, which is available from the East Clare Heritage > Centre, Tuamgraney. > > He is currently logging the headstones of the old and new graveyard at Craughaun > Cratloe, which includes the ruins of an old church and burial chamber in the > older section. > > Members of the BLOOD family, who were well known landlords in Cratloe, were > buried in the graveyard. > > Mr. McNamara's diligent recording work has been welcomed by local historian, > Donal O'Riain, who also agreed that a permanent structure with inscriptions of > deceased families would be extremely useful for people trying to trace their > ancestry. > > All the best > Jennifer > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property > Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail > to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006

This is an interesting list, like the free-wheeling, stream of consciousness discussion that has taken place over the past two weeks. Given the range of topics covered and expansive knowledge-base displayed by those on the list, wondered if folks would be willing to comment on or respond to the following questions? Am really curious about how people, my family in particular, connected with others during the nineteenth century in Co. Clare. For example, would Freeholding families encourage their children to marry other Freeholding families in order to consolidate property and provide support for agricultural or business activity? For rural folks, how important was the association with a particular townland? How important was the parish? Kilmaley Parish where some of my ancestors lived, appears geographical large (although the descriptions of it suggest it was not prize real estate) pretty big for people to go to one church. In the States, a parish is served by one church, school, etc. Was this the case in rural 19th century Ireland? Did the other political subdivisions, e.g. Baronies, Unions and District Electoral Divisions, have any significance or impact on their lives. These appear to have been in effect at different times and to reflect the presence of divers political powers in Ireland from the seventeenth through twentieth centuries. When were individuals expected to become self supporting or to actively contribute to the family. Among Irish emigrants in the states, it appears that 14/15 was when boys were expected to stop school and get jobs. Was this the same in Ireland. What about girls? What was the appropriate age for men to marry and for women to marry? Were youngest children expected to stay at home to care for elderly parents? What were the obligations of children toward their parents and their siblings. Which was more important family or neighbors? Are there any anthropological, sociological, ethno-historic or historic studies of nineteenth century Irish communities, particularly those in Clare? Any such studies that look at settlement systems and structure, marriage patterns, migration into and out of Clare? Relations between English emigrants--soldiers, administrators, landlords--and Irish. What happened to Irish commoners/peasants who intermarried or fraternized with the English or who converted to the Church of England? Thanks for your patience with my long winded verbal ramblings. Look forward to any comments, insight or suggestions you might have. Kerry Cahill McGrath Iowa USA