Thanks, Sharon, at least I now know more on this subject.. Joseph Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: If someone is going to "publish" original material, the obvious step in preventing copyright infringement is to prominently claim copyright where the material appears. I put quotation marks around the verb since publishing covers more than issuance of material in print form, as we all likely know now that the Internet is a place on which material is placed. The legal codes of many jurisdictions provide copyright entitlement without a formal statement (or symbol) to that effect appearing with the material. Nonetheless, prevention includes effectively causing removal of infringed material when it has been pirated. Enforcement of any legal right, unless done by a public authority, can be expensive. Typically a "demand letter" is sent in order to secure cooperation prior to filing of a law suit. Some legal codes, such as in Georgia (so I am told by a lawyer friend), provide for recovery of attorney fees and court costs when a judgment is entered for an intentional violation of a person's rights (for a tort, in case you are familar with that term). So, the major decision regarding copyright is whether to place the material out for public view or not. Unless you have funds for litigation and a means for detecting infringement, anything after display of your material depends on the ethics and legal awareness of those viewing it. Please note that I am not addressing what copyright encompasses, only what infringement "prevention" entails. Hope that adds some clarity. I did this by request, not by inclination to get into this subject here. Sharon Carberry, J.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin" To: Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Family Tree Collections > ... > Sharon, being of a legal mind and profession, might have advice on how to prevent copyright infringement. > > **** Reply to LIST only, please. Thank you **** > > Pádraig Mór > An Sean Gabhar ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Here's what I have on hand from an online description, the link for which I have not retained: "Copies can also be found in the library of the Society of Australian Genealogists. The Index to Biographical Notices in the Newspapers of Limerick, Ennis, Clonmel and Waterford, 1758-1821 extracts and indexes the biographical notices from a.. Clonmel Herald, b.. Clonmel Gazette, c.. Clonmel Advertiser, d.. Ennis Chronicle, e.. Clare Journal, f.. Limerick Evening Post, g.. Limerick Gazette, h.. Limerick Chronicle, i.. Munster Journal, j.. Waterford Chronicle, k.. Waterford Mirror. In addition, a number of eighteenth-century Dublin newspapers are included, a.. Freeman's Journal, b.. Faulkner's Dublin Journal, c.. Dublin Hibernian Journal, d.. Hibernian Chronicle " Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Mitchell" <jomitch@ncable.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Re: Cusack genealogies > Hi Sharon, > > Just one other point of clarification. Can you tell me the full title of > Rosemary Ffolliott's Biographical Notices for County Clare please? I just > checked the LDS website and the only one I can find covers Cork and Kerry. > Does this include Clare or is that a separate publication? > > With thanks, > > Jo

My records ending up on a commercial CD has always been the overriding factor in why it is still in my computer only. My late mother's cousing placed his information out there and now it is one the CD's sold by Ancestry.com and a few others. Hopefully we will learn how to prevent this from Sharon. Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> wrote: If readers believe that by giving your family tree to the Mormon's will bond the deceased to their church, then don't do it. That is the reason they are into genealogy ; and also be careful that your collection will not be copied without permission and end up on some commercial CD's. Sharon, being of a legal mind and profession, might have advice on how to prevent copyright infringement. **** Reply to LIST only, please. Thank you **** Pádraig Mór An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C Dorsey" To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Disinterested prodigy > Thanks, Sandra, I had really had not thought about that. By making the deposits it will help someone else down the road in the future and, hopefully, help them where they do not have to do all of the research we are doing. I enjoy doing the research, but some people are not much of a detective for digging up old relatives and ancestors as some of us. > > Joseph > Sealy, TX > > Sandra wrote: > I nearly lost hope of ever finding someone in my family that would preserve my research. I have one daughter who was completely uninterested. But, she assured me that she would preserve my research until someone was actively interested in it. A few years ago, I discovered that my dear niece loves to look over my "archives" and has promised to preserve everything. In the meantime, deposit your research in everyplace that you can. The Mormon Church, your local library, the library and/or historical museum where your family hailed from, the Newberry Library in Chicago -- EVERYWHERE. Don't rely on family. There are countless repositories that want to house and preserve your valuable research. Find them!!!!! > > Sandra ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1143 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

"The first permanent settler in Kearny county was John O'Loughlin, who was born in County Clare, Ireland, in 1842. He came to America with his mother and two other children in 1850 and settled at Dubuque, Iowa. He came to Kansas in 1861, entering the government service at Fort Leavenworth as a teamster in the department of the quartermaster. He left the government service at Fort Hays, December 1, 1869, and opened a trading post on the military road between Fort Hays and Fort Dodge, doing business with soldiers, buffalo hunters and freighters. He closed out in 1872, when the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe railroad was completed through the state, and, after spending a few months in Dodge City, moved to Lakin in March, 1873. With a small stock of goods he opened a store in a dugout a little east and north of the Harvey house on the railroad right of way and here carried on a thriving trade with the freighters and plainsmen. He built a small dwelling house just north of the righ! t of way and south of where his son, William D. O'Loughlin, now lives. In May of the same year Mr. O'Loughlin was joined by his mother, Mrs. White, and his sister, Margaret C. White, then a girl of fifteen years of age, who was born in Dubuque, Iowa, November 12, 1857. His mother died on August 8, 1878, and his sister kept house for him until her marriage, November 5, 1879, to Thomas J. Pearl. Thomas J. Pearl was born in Wabash county, Indiana, February 14, 1847. He came to Kearny county in October, 1876, as an employee of the Santa Fe and continued in this work for many years. He made Lakin his home for the remaining years of his life. http://www.kancoll.org/khq/1938/38_1_hicks.htm 1880 Kearny County , Kansas [no township given] Pearl, Thomas 28 IN clerk in store Fa: KY Mo: VA Margaret, wife 25 IA pars: IA Coughlin, John other, single 38 Ire retail grocer posted by Sharon Carberry not researching O'Loughlin

I nearly lost hope of ever finding someone in my family that would preserve my research. I have one daughter who was completely uninterested. But, she assured me that she would preserve my research until someone was actively interested in it. A few years ago, I discovered that my dear niece loves to look over my "archives" and has promised to preserve everything. In the meantime, deposit your research in everyplace that you can. The Mormon Church, your local library, the library and/or historical museum where your family hailed from, the Newberry Library in Chicago -- EVERYWHERE. Don't rely on family. There are countless repositories that want to house and preserve your valuable research. Find them!!!!! Sandra

This batch, the remainder of H's and J & K. Selection of Irish Folk sponsored in Victoria Australia 1843 to 1857 This listing is selective of Folk from Co Clare and those with only the identification Ireland as they may be from Co Clare. Some other odd ones will appear where I was not sure if the Town was in Co Clare. There are 22 pages in this collection and I will feed them through in batches as I sort them. Information found at PRO in Melbourne, Victoria. Victorian Sponsored Immigration Index 1856 to 1858 Nominee Order. Fisch 0001, Stand 7, Book 14A. Nominee is the person being sponsor, App No is the official application number, App Date is the date the application was made and money paid, (usually about 12 months prior to arrival), Depositor is the person sponsoring, (paying the money up front) usually a family member or proposed employer. Data in order is Nominee, Age, From, App No, App Date, Ship and Depositor. Horane John, 40, Ireland, 295.100.57, March 1857, -, Ryan Thomas. Hurley Ann, 20, Co Clare, 52, 6 Sept 1856, Carleton, Hurley James. Hurley Bridget, 16, Co Clare, 52, 6 Sept 1856, Carleton, Hurley James. Hurley Denis, 26, Co Clare, 52, 6 Sept 1856, Carleton, Hurley James. Hurley George, 14, Co Clare, 52, 6 Sept 1856, Carleton, Hurley James. Hurley Laurence, 18, Co Clare, 52, 6 Sept 1856, Carleton, Hurley James. Hurley Margaret, 23, Co Clare, 52, 6 Sept 1856, Carleton, Hurley James. Hurley Daniel, 20, Co Clare, 493.302.57, 27 Nov 1857, -, Hurley Patrick. Hurley Eliza, 23, Co Clare, 493.302.57, 27 Nov 1857, -, Hurley Patrick. Hurley Ellen, 17, Co Clare, 493.302.57, 27 Nov 1857, -, Hurley Patrick. James Anne Jane, 17, Ireland, -, 30 April 1858, -, Nelson James. Jennings John, 22, Miltown Malbay, 62, -, -, Keating Patrick. Jones Elizabeth, 18, Ireland, 341.156.57, -, Boyd William. Jones James, 16, Ireland, 341.156.57, -, Boyd William. Joyce Mary, 18, Ennis, 133, 12 Nov 1856, Jessie Munn, Guerin Denis. Judge Eliza Ann, 24, Ireland, 430.244.57, 10 Aug 1857, -, Judge John. Kearn Margaret, 23, Co Clare, 9, 9 Aug 1856, Black Eagle, Hynes Patrick. Kearse Patrick, 21, Co Clare, 108, 22 Oct 1856, Echunga, Kearse Ann. Keating James ?, 18, Miltown Malbay, 62, -, -, Keating Patrick. (This is as I wrote it however, will check again next week) Keating James ?, 20, Miltown Malbay, 62, -, -, Keating Patrick. (This is as I wrote it however, will check again next week) Keating Mary 41, Miltown Malbay, 62, -, -, Keating Patrick. Keenan James, 27, Ireland, 400.215.57, 13 July 1857, -, Buckley Peter. Kelly Elizabeth, 18, Co Clare, 383.190.57, 16 June 1857, -, Kelly Bridget. Kelly Ellen, 16, Co Clare, 383.190.57, 16 June 1857, -, Kelly Bridget. Kelly Honor, 20, Co Clare, 51, 6 Sept 1856, Carleton, Kelly Margaret. Kennedy Daniel, 20, Ireland, 386.201.57, 29 June 1857, -, Carrol Mary. Kennedy Elizabeth, 46, Ireland, 386.201.57, 29 June 1857, -, Carrol Mary. Kennedy Elizabeth, 25, Ireland, 386.201.57, 29 June 1857, -, Carrol Mary. Kennedy Mary, 18, Ireland, 241.48.57, 3 Feb 1857, Jessie Munn, Hayes Ellen. Kennedy Patrick, 21, Ireland, 241.48.57, 3 Feb 1857, Jessie Munn, Hayes Ellen. Kenny Edmund, 20, Ireland, 332.137.57, 1 May 1857, -, Kenny Margaret. Kenny Mary, 18, Ireland, 332.137.57, 1 May 1857, -, Kenny Margaret. Kerwick Bridget, 40, Co Clare, 428.241.57, 8 Aug 1857, -, Kerwick Bridget. Kiely Margaret, 16, Irishtown?, 136, 18 Nov 1856, Echunga, Kiely Harry. King Denis, 24, Ireland, 375.199.57, 15 June 1857, -, Crouch Ellen. Kitson Patrick, 29, Co Clare, 216.23.1857, 14 Jan 1857, Jessie Munn, Kitson Ellen. Kitson Susan, 16, Co Clare, 216.23.1857, 14 Jan 1857, Jessie Munn, Kitson Ellen.

Hi, here are a few bits from the recently republished Convert Rolls Ed. By Eileen O'Byrne 431 Charles Fitzgerald of Castlekeale, Co. Clare. Converted 25 Apr 1740 5 May 1763. 3rd son of John of Carrigoran by his wife Helen Butler, dau. of Pierce, 2nd Viscount Ikerrin. He m. Alice, only dau. of George Colpoys of Ballycar. Issue - sons James, Richard, Edward, Augustine, Charles and John. dau.s Elizabeth (m. John Blood), Jane (m.Thomas Pierce) and Mary (m. Michael Dalton). James m. Mary Colpoys. Edward of the 59th Regiment. Grand daus - Alice Blood, Alice Pierce, Alice Fitzgerald (dau. of James), Grandsons - Charles son of James Brother James Uncle James Fitzgerald, Aunt Mrs. Dwyer. Cousins John Dwyer, Edward Fitzgerald (son of James). 432 David Fitzgerald of Castleishen, Co. Clare. 21 Apr 1751 Perhaps son of James of same, 2nd son of James of Castleishen by his first wife Amy, dau. of Thomas Fitzgerald, Knight of Kerry. 446 Maurice Fitzgerald of Rosslevan, Co. Clare 17 )ct 1714 Married Joan Prendergast of Racaghan (sic) 6 Nov 1713. Eldest son of James of Smithstown, Co. Clare. Declan

Thanks, Sandra, I had really had not thought about that. By making the deposits it will help someone else down the road in the future and, hopefully, help them where they do not have to do all of the research we are doing. I enjoy doing the research, but some people are not much of a detective for digging up old relatives and ancestors as some of us. Joseph Sealy, TX Sandra <sgordon817@earthlink.net> wrote: I nearly lost hope of ever finding someone in my family that would preserve my research. I have one daughter who was completely uninterested. But, she assured me that she would preserve my research until someone was actively interested in it. A few years ago, I discovered that my dear niece loves to look over my "archives" and has promised to preserve everything. In the meantime, deposit your research in everyplace that you can. The Mormon Church, your local library, the library and/or historical museum where your family hailed from, the Newberry Library in Chicago -- EVERYWHERE. Don't rely on family. There are countless repositories that want to house and preserve your valuable research. Find them!!!!! Sandra ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== NO VIRUS warnings or topics of any kind relating to this subject to be posted to the list. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Jo, Yes as to grantor's and townland sets of books at The Registry. Fiches of the biographical notices (which are the actual newspaper articles, in toto) are available in almost every major genealogical collection which includes Irish material. I believe you have some major university libraries that you can check in your general area. (In the U.S., the Newberry Library in Chicago has the set.) Cusack may be a short enough section (since the series only covers Munster-region newspapers) that you can ask for photocopies of the Cusacks, rather than try to get to the fiches themselves. I took notes on a few surnames in my research, when I was in the Genealogical Office, Dublin, by special permission, and I had only 20 minutes till closing. Then I obtained the Hehir set by photocopies from a very kind person with access to the Newberry. You certainly relationships and the scoop on the characters of these folk. Well worth the effort. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Mitchell" <jomitch@ncable.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Re: Cusack genealogies > Hi Sharon, > > Thanks for the various links and details. > > > highly recommend collecting everything on Cusack in Clare and their > > particular Clare localities (two different sets of books), at the Registry > > of Deeds, Henrietta Street, Dublin. > > By this am I correct in assuming that you mean I should check the townlands > list and the grantor's list, right? > > I haven't used Rosemary Ffolliott's Biographical Notices before, but have > heard of them. Does anyone know if they are they widely available? > > Thanks once again, > > Cheers, > > Jo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:46 PM > Subject: [CLARE] Re: Cusack genealogies > > > > Jo, > > > > While Bernard Burke's Landed Gentry and and John > > Burke's book on commoners did not yield the overall > > Cusack discussion which would provide an overview of Cusack in Clare, I do > > have some notes for the Cusacks who lived in Kilkishen, civil parish of > > Clonlea, in East Clare. > > > > If you consult Rosemary ffolliott's Biographical Notices, > > you will gain all the Cusack newsworthy items published in the Clare > > newspaper in the 18th and early 19th centuries. When you get to Dublin, I > > highly recommend collecting everything on Cusack in Clare and their > > particular Clare localities (two different sets of books), at the Registry > > of Deeds, Henrietta Street, Dublin. > > > > Sharon Carberry > > Georgia USA > > > > CALENDAR OF WILLS IN THE DIOCESE OF KILLALOE AND KILFENORA, 1653 TO 1800. > > > > Cusack: Date of Probate > > > > George, M.D., Tomgraney 1799 > > > > James, Killkissheen, 1718 [Kilkishen] > > > > Mathew 1704 > > > > Teige, Clounevorybegg, 1711 > > > > A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great > Britain > > and Ireland > > By Bernard Burke > > > > Starts with a discussion of Cusack in Clare but follows a line out of > > Dublin. > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC12273371&id=BSkAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA328&lpg= > > PA328&dq=cusack+%2Bclare > > > > > > > > Gore aka Hickman, Tyredagh, married last Cusack of Kilkishen > > Burke's Landed Gentry p. 204 > > > http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC11027350&id=Ha0EAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1-IA206& > > vq=cusack&dq=tulla > > > > Moloney of Cragg married niece of John Cusack, Kilkishen > > midway down right column, p. 311 > > > http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC11027350&id=Ha0EAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1-IA311& > > vq=cusack&dq=tulla > > > > Studdert married Mrs. Cusack and gained Kilkishen estate > > p. 430, righthand column > > > http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC11027350&id=Ha0EAAAAIAAJ&pg=PT74&vq=cu > > sack&dq=tulla > > > > >From whom Cusack of Kilkishen purchased his estate in 1696 > > p. 880 > > Illustrations, Historical and Genealogical, of King James's Irish Army > List, > > 1689 > > By John D'Alton > > > http://books.google.com/books?vid=0prysy7AzA_Tt-i9gR&id=_qANAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA88 > > 0&lpg=PA880&dq=cusack+%2Bclare > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joanne Mitchell" <jomitch@ncable.net.au> > > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:37 AM > > Subject: [CLARE] Cusack genealogies > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > I'm trying a different approach from usual here. 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For those seeking an unvarnished historical perspective and a bit of a good cry, you would do well to find the book entitled Black Potatoes: The Story of the Great Irish Famine, 1845-1850 by Susan Campbell Bartoletti. Look in the juvenile non-fiction section of your library, as this was written for teens. It is only 172 pages and features lots of those wonderful Illustrated London News pictures of the time. However, it is an excellent overview of the many aspects of the famine era, not simplified, with attention to detail (just no footnotes or in-text citations). Thus it is an "easy read" although the author pulls no punches in terms of the hardships and realities of the famine. Her sources are plainly stated and are standard, except that she heavily relied on one which we know well: the Clare County Library, which she acknowledges as offering "a wealth of information at its Web site..." Consequently, she has anecdotal sections featuring Clare locations. That is how I learned of this book, because a Google book search brought up this book's reference to Moveen. Unfortunately that turned out to be only the caption to a picture: "In County Clare, nearly the entire village of Moveen was evicted a few days before Christmas." pp. 108-09. To gain an idea of how many people were involved in that eviction, take a look at the Moveen population recorded in the Tithe Applotment of 1827, at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/moyarta_tab.htm Then you may realize what inspired Michael Flanagan of nearby Inagh to sing as he did about those times (see below article taken off the Web). Sharon Carberry Info found at www.mudcat.org "The following is reprinted from 'Traditional Songs and Singers' published by Comhaltas Ceoltóiri Éireann (1977?), where Séamus Mac Mathúna says: LONE SHANAKYLE I was sure that this song had been "lost" as I had never heard more than a few lines of it in a score or more years; but when I met Michael Flanagan of Inagh in 1974 it was the first song on his lips. It comes from the Kilrush area of County Clare. Shanakyle (in Irish, SeanaChill) is the site of a graveyard outside Kilrush, and Inis Cathaigh is, of course, St. Senan's Island - also known as Scattery Island, on the Shannon. There is a passion and sincerity in Michael Flanagan's rendering which never fails to grip his listeners; some lines paint a startling, even an appalling picture, e.g.- "Dark, dark is the night-cloud o'er lone Shanakyle Where the murdered sleep silently pile upon pile In the coffinless graves of poor Erin." The parish of Kilrush and the surrounding areas were most grievous strucken during the famine years. A total of over 3,900 people died in the workhouse in Kilrush during the three years 1847-'49 and most of these were carted to a common famine pit in Shanakyle. The evidence can be seen in the graveyard to this day, and no amount of re-writing of Irish history can change these facts. Lone Shanakyle was written by Thomas Madigan of Carnacalla, Kilrush (1797-1881) who was a scholar and poet, writing in both English and Irish and a friend of that other renowned West Clare scholar Eoghan 0 Comhrai. Lone Shanakyle was probably written during the 1860's, the last verse being inspired by the expected Fenian Rising. The air is a variant of the "Paistin Fionn" MICHAEL FLANAGAN of Ballyduffbeg, Inagh, Co. Clare, was 81 years of age when I recorded this song and some ten others from him in April 1974. Even at that age he is one of the best traditional singers I have heard. He sings with a heart and involvement which one might expect from a man of half his years."

Thanks Rob ---- Rob Singleton <ry.sing@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Sharon & Julie > > > > The list of Fitzgerald's as from Kilnasoolagh Churchyard Internments > > > > Mrs Anne Fitzgerald > 4/11/1791 > > Richard Fitzgerald Esq. > 5/03/1792 > > Anne Maria Fitzgerald Sheperton > 1/04/1801 > > Austine Fitzgerald Turine > 5/09/1809 > > Col James Fitzgerald > 16/03/1814 > > Major James Fitzgerald of Limerick > 8/10/1814 > > Mrs Mary Fitzgerald of Limerick > 10/01/1821 Widow of John Fitzgerald of the wood? > > Rev Richard Fitzgerald County of Limerick > 7/05/1821 > > Major Augustine Fitzgerald of City of Limerick > 54 yrs 13/05/1829 > > Miss Elizabeth Fitzgerald Limerick > 9/12/1846 > > Jane O'Brien or Fitzgerald Limerick > 22yrs 24/02/1849 > > Anne Fitzgerald Newmarket-on-Fergus > 65yrs 5/04/1852 > > Mary Fitzgerald Lr. Cecil St. Limerick > 20yrs 25/07/1855 > > Lucy Fitzgerald George's St. Limerick > 26/08/1864 > > Sir Edward Fitzgerald Carrigoran > 59yrs 16/03/1865 Bart. > > Charles Edward Fitzgerald Carrigoran > 12/02/1881 > > Clare Emma, Lady Fitzgerald Carrigoran > 66yrs 4/03/1921 > > > > Regards > > Rob Singleton > > New Zealand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob Singleton > > Architectural Dezine > > 1105 Kaipaki Road > > RD 3, Cambridge 3495 > > Website:- www.architecturaldezine.co.nz > > Phone 07 827 5607 > > Fax 07 823 1060 > > Mobile 021 919 410 > > Professional Member of ADNZ Inc (www.adnz.org.nz) > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > NO VIRUS warnings or topics of any kind relating to this subject to be posted to the list. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Many of you would be aware of "The Ships List" Website is http://www.theshipslist.com/index.html I found this information on the "Minstrel" shipwreck in 1841. One hundred and forty eight lives were lost and only 8 people survived. They were all from Limerick, all emigrants to Quebec.Some names are Hickey, Dillane, Cronin, Prendergast, Grady and Fitzgerald. In many of these families, the entire family was lost. How very sad it would have been. Ernene

Hi Rob, I found your list very helpful as it contained some information I had not seen before. My FitzGeralds are the Carrigoran FitzGeralds so I thought I would supply a few more details : Mrs Anne FitzGerald (4/11/1791) was Anne Hickman of Ballyket, daughter of George Hickman and Jane Fox. I believe she married James FitzGerald (abt 1703-1750) of Stonehall and Carrigoran. Clara Emma, Lady FitzGerald (04/03/1921) was Clara Emma Whitaker and daughter of James Whitaker of Huddersfield in Yorkshire. She was the second wife of Augustine FitzGerald. The Sheperton FitzGeralds were closely connected to the Carrrigoran FitzGeralds. Charles FitzGerald of Sheperton and James FitzGerald (abt 1703-1750) of Stonehall and Carrigoran were brothers. John Singleton of Ballygirreen House in Newmarket -on-Fergus married as her second husband Jane (nee Blood ) Burton (whose mother was a FitzGerald of Sheperton) in 1792. Nicola >

Hi Sharon, As a descendant of the Carrigoran FitzGeralds buried in Kilnasoolagh I have to tell you that another descendant is at present trying to connect the Carrigoran Fitzgeralds with the Knight of Glin but hasn't yet succeeded in doing so. (She is convinced that there is a connection and that she will find it...) Many many years ago a gentleman by the name of Eoghan O'Mahony who was an expert in the family history of just about everybody in Ireland told my mother (Geraldine FitzGerald) on a radio prgramme produced by Radio Eireann called Meet the Clans that the Carrigoran Fitzgeralds were descended from the White Knight, a senior branch but no longer in existence. There was also another branch, the Knight of Kerry. I have no idea who is right. My personal brick wall is Edward FitzGerald of Rineanna (born about 1627). Nicola. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: [CLARE] Re: Thanks for Fitzgerald data > Thanks, Rob. These ones appear to be highly-placed > in society, which brings up the thought that to progress > with Fitzgerald in East Clare, there needs to be an > assessment of how the East Clare ones might relate to > the ultimate Fitzgerald in the area, the Knight of Glin. > The more pieces of the puzzle that are found, the better. > > Sharon Carberry > Georgia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Singleton" <ry.sing@xtra.co.nz> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:59 PM > Subject: [CLARE] Re: HELP - Margaret Hillary and David Fitzgerald > > > > Hi Sharon & Julie > > > > > > > > The list of Fitzgerald's as from Kilnasoolagh Churchyard Internments > > > .... > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Thank you, Nicola - that will definitely add to my knowledge of Fitzgerald in Clare. You know, 1627 is not a bad year as a starting point for your family history. The Donnellan chart which I have from the Genealogical Office (Dublin) goes back into the 1500s but I have to take it as truth, without a way to confirm the details back that far. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nicola jennings" <darcy5@eircom.net> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Re: Thanks for Fitzgerald data > Hi Sharon, > As a descendant of the Carrigoran FitzGeralds buried in Kilnasoolagh I have > to tell you that another descendant is at present trying to connect the > Carrigoran Fitzgeralds with the Knight of Glin but hasn't yet succeeded in > doing so. (She is convinced that there is a connection and that she will > find it...) > Many many years ago a gentleman by the name of Eoghan O'Mahony who was an > expert in the family history of just about everybody in Ireland told my > mother (Geraldine FitzGerald) on a radio prgramme produced by Radio > Eireann called Meet the Clans that the Carrigoran Fitzgeralds were descended > from the White Knight, a senior branch but no longer in existence. There > was also another branch, the Knight of Kerry. I have no idea who is right. > My personal brick wall is Edward FitzGerald of Rineanna (born about 1627). > Nicola. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:22 AM > Subject: [CLARE] Re: Thanks for Fitzgerald data > > > > Thanks, Rob. These ones appear to be highly-placed > > in society, which brings up the thought that to progress > > with Fitzgerald in East Clare, there needs to be an > > assessment of how the East Clare ones might relate to > > the ultimate Fitzgerald in the area, the Knight of Glin. > > The more pieces of the puzzle that are found, the better. > > > > Sharon Carberry > > Georgia > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rob Singleton" <ry.sing@xtra.co.nz> > > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:59 PM > > Subject: [CLARE] Re: HELP - Margaret Hillary and David Fitzgerald > > > > > > > Hi Sharon & Julie > > > > > > > > > > > > The list of Fitzgerald's as from Kilnasoolagh Churchyard Internments > > > > > .... > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Irish Convicts to New South Wales 1791-1831 Clare entries: http://www.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/cgi-bin/db/search.cgi?query=clare&stpos=0&stype=AND or use search engine on main page Andrew Hillery Alias: Hillary Born: 1774 Clare Tried: 1821 Clare Co Sentence: 7 Ship: Mangles (2) [1822] Remarks: Soldier Researcher: Frank Murray Email Address: murrayfc@ozemail.com.au http://www.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/cgi-bin/db1/search.cgi?query=8135

Hi Sharon & Julie The list of Fitzgerald's as from Kilnasoolagh Churchyard Internments Mrs Anne Fitzgerald 4/11/1791 Richard Fitzgerald Esq. 5/03/1792 Anne Maria Fitzgerald Sheperton 1/04/1801 Austine Fitzgerald Turine 5/09/1809 Col James Fitzgerald 16/03/1814 Major James Fitzgerald of Limerick 8/10/1814 Mrs Mary Fitzgerald of Limerick 10/01/1821 Widow of John Fitzgerald of the wood? Rev Richard Fitzgerald County of Limerick 7/05/1821 Major Augustine Fitzgerald of City of Limerick 54 yrs 13/05/1829 Miss Elizabeth Fitzgerald Limerick 9/12/1846 Jane O'Brien or Fitzgerald Limerick 22yrs 24/02/1849 Anne Fitzgerald Newmarket-on-Fergus 65yrs 5/04/1852 Mary Fitzgerald Lr. Cecil St. Limerick 20yrs 25/07/1855 Lucy Fitzgerald George's St. Limerick 26/08/1864 Sir Edward Fitzgerald Carrigoran 59yrs 16/03/1865 Bart. Charles Edward Fitzgerald Carrigoran 12/02/1881 Clare Emma, Lady Fitzgerald Carrigoran 66yrs 4/03/1921 Regards Rob Singleton New Zealand Rob Singleton Architectural Dezine 1105 Kaipaki Road RD 3, Cambridge 3495 Website:- www.architecturaldezine.co.nz Phone 07 827 5607 Fax 07 823 1060 Mobile 021 919 410 Professional Member of ADNZ Inc (www.adnz.org.nz)

Thanks, Rob. These ones appear to be highly-placed in society, which brings up the thought that to progress with Fitzgerald in East Clare, there needs to be an assessment of how the East Clare ones might relate to the ultimate Fitzgerald in the area, the Knight of Glin. The more pieces of the puzzle that are found, the better. Sharon Carberry Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Singleton" <ry.sing@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: [CLARE] Re: HELP - Margaret Hillary and David Fitzgerald > Hi Sharon & Julie > > > > The list of Fitzgerald's as from Kilnasoolagh Churchyard Internments > ....

Julie, This being the computer age, I suppose it is necessary to bear in mind the high regard we have for our in-house oracles. Thank goodness that I started genealogy before I had a computer, because the first thing I did was go to a library and borrow a how-to book. This is still an essential step because your ability to make progress with Irish data depends on your knowing as much about Irish political/ecclesiastical jurisdictions, history, geography and customs, as possible. Fortunately there are several excellent books to consult on that (see below). You can also find good tutorials online on the major genealogy websites like Rootsweb and the LDS Family Search site. Your goal is also to learn which sources exist for your target time period, so that you can do research with original documents or filmed versions of those. Then you can contribute on lists such as this one, as well as receive. We all started as newbies but those who have posted here to help you have also gone the route which I described above. The faster you become in command of the basics, the better your handling will be of all the names, places, and dates you find or are provided to you. You also need to keep reviewing what you have to assess its validity. The ultimate knowledge to gain is to learn to speak Irish. I am not there yet but I keep open to picking up bits and pieces as I go, like a baby. Sharon Carberry Georgia Irish records : sources for family and local history Ryan, James G. ISBN 0916489760 Tracing your Irish ancestors : the complete guide Grenham, John ISBN 0806313692 Ouimetter, David S., Finding Your Irish Ancestors: A Beginner's Guide 2005 Radford, Dwight A. & Kyle J. Betit, Discovering Your Irish Ancestors 2001 Quillen, Daniel W., Secrets of Tracing Your Ancestors 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: <jhar9618@bigpond.net.au> ... > Sharon: I have not done the work yet to become knowledgeable on how to do Irish research because I am a complete beginner at this and have absolutely no idea how or where to start, hence my posting asking direction and help on where to start. All my tries via google have given me nothing and the mailing list was my first step to get info, my next step is gone a family history club in my own state and get some advice from them. > > Therefore I appreciate any help I get, any small directions given will be used and added to my growing knowledge. > > Jules > Perth, Western Australia

Sharon Glad to be of help, those little bits make all the difference, there were a number of other Carberry's incoming to Port Phillip, not in the time frame we were talking about, but I ran out of time to transcribe them. I will put in my book to look when next at the PRO. Robert in Aus -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Carberry [mailto:sm8carberry@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 10:05 PM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CLARE] Re: Clare Emigrants to Victoria... Carberry... Robert, I don't know whether to laugh or cry, as that Michael incoming on the Coldstream is the precise one which I targeted a few years ago as having potential to be from Clare. However, although I was in touch with two Australian family historians, one doing Carberry of West Clare and the other doing a Michael out of of Limerick, neither one was doing anything active. You have now provided the link between the arrival record and the Clare family. I do have an 1835 baptismal record for a Michael Carberry in my family's East Clare parish, although all the parish entries for my own family have no mention of any Michael. It's time to look at that again. Thanks again so very much. Sharon Carberry Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: [CLARE] Re: Clare Emigrants to Victoria... Carberry... > Hi Listers > > > > I checked out the Carberry's arriving in Port Phillip relating to Michael > Carberry aged 20 and sponsored by Mary Carberry on the 28th April 1857. > > > > Found in the Unassisted Passenger's, Fisch 144 Page 004. Michael Carberry > age 20, sailed from Plymouth on 31st December 1857 and arrived on the ship > Coldstream in April 1858. > > > > Also found in the Assisted Passenger's, Book 12 Page 338A. John Carberry > aged 30 and Isabella Carberry aged 22 arrived on the ship Black Eagle in > June 1857. > > > > > > Robert in Aus > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== To change your subscription, to unsub, to check out the list's arcchives http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-CLARE.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx