Well blow me down - A McNamara answered the cry - just 27,999 to go. Thanks Jim for the quick reply - what do you reckon my chances are of the others? Cheers Shane (from downunder) -----Original Message----- Hi Jo and Shane, See one question below < I wish that I could locate a Parish to start searching in - but alas I fear too many MCNAMARA's in Clare - can you confirm this? > Yes, many Macs in Clare, in the 1901 census there were some 28,000 + families. So unless you have a spouse's name, and one that is a bit unique, you could be in for the long haul. Jim McNamara

Hi Robert, Sorry to confuse you. Merchant Marine and the Merchant Navy are one of the same, apologiies. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > Hi John > > These events were in the 1860's. I guess he probably jumped from the > Portuguese Navy in America and under an assumed name signed on to come to > Australia, I have hunted for him in the newspapers of the day and not > found > him in the deserters lists, probably was not known by his given name. > > Perplexing to say the least. Interesting though, I had not considered > there > were 3 services, Navy, Merchant Marine & Merchant Navy. > > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Walton [mailto:vabre@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:16 PM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > Hi Robert, > > If he was in the "Grey Funnel Line" ( American Navy and not the American > Merchant Marine) one would think that they would still be searching for > him, > for to jump ship in the Navy , he would have been branded as a deserter. > With, the Merchant Navy - I don't think they would look too long for him > as > that would cost more money than it would be worth. However, if he jumped > ship in the merchant marine then I would think it would be hard for him to > sign back on an other vessel for you had a Discharge Book where all > entries > are recorded. But who knows for they all seemed to have told lies. > No different from today I guess. > > John...Sydney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:20 PM > Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > >> Thanks for that John >> >> My entry into this subject was prompted by an ancestor that joined the >> Portuguese Navy, allegedly jumped ship in America, then joined the >> American >> Navy and again jumped ship, in Australia. I wonder about the validity of >> his story given that some of his other information has proved to be >> fiction. >> Discussions as we are having help to mould ones thoughts. >> >> Robert in Melbourne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Walton [mailto:vabre@optusnet.com.au] >> Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 11:46 AM >> To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions >> >> Hi Robert and Marylyn, >> >> I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. >> In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British >> Mercatile >> Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in >> tradition, >> but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each >> trip >> >> we >> signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the >> captain. >> I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage >> to >> >> Liverpool, >> and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was >> termed >> as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or >> Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that >> there >> had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty >> odd >> years. >> Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it >> doesn't come as a surprise >> that your ancestor changed ships. >> The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up >> cargo from port to port >> and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as >> to >> when you would >> return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor >> conditions >> they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. >> Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle >> Line etc. ran >> god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually >> pretty "rusty" old buckets. >> This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw >> some >> light on to the traditions >> that exist in the maritime industry. >> >> John...Sydney. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM >> Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions >> >> >>> G'Day Marilyn >>> >>> That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter >>> transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing >>> ship. >>> >>> Robert in Aus >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] >>> Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM >>> To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions >>> >>> I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand >>> information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some >>> correspondence from an >>> ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and >>> from >>> Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters >>> or >>> scan >>> them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all >>> shiphands >>> but here are some observations from his letters: >>> 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a >>> different >>> >>> ship to return to his homeland. >>> 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait >>> for >>> months to find another ship to return home. >>> 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family >>> at >>> all. >>> When I have more time I will offer more details. >>> Marilyn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >>> If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send >>> e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com >>> or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the >>> word >>> subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Hi Shane, Hopefully you have seen this Australian Mack site: http://www.angelfire.com/oz/mcnamara/ and check out my reworked page: www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/irishlinks.html Best wishes, Jim McNamara BIFHS-USA Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashenique" <ashenique@hotmail.com> To: <jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net>; <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: RE: McNamara name Well blow me down - A McNamara answered the cry - just 27,999 to go. Thanks Jim for the quick reply - what do you reckon my chances are of the others? Cheers Shane (from downunder) -----Original Message----- Hi Jo and Shane, See one question below < I wish that I could locate a Parish to start searching in - but alas I fear too many MCNAMARA's in Clare - can you confirm this? > Yes, many Macs in Clare, in the 1901 census there were some 28,000 + families. So unless you have a spouse's name, and one that is a bit unique, you could be in for the long haul. Jim McNamara

Dear Ned, I see that your family lived in NY as do you. There is an absolutely wonderful NY Irish list owned by Pat Connors. I have almost no connections with NY, so I quit the list. I was doing some work on a Jimmy Flynn of NY for someone else and that list was so very kind. They knew that Jimmy was not my kin, but everyone seemed to have such fun trying to find him and any possible recordings. Jimmy Flynn was a wonderful singer, but I think that he died before any recordings were made of his singing. Sad. Alanna

My initiation into my family history has been a rewarding and sometimes surprising adventure. I knew from my mother that her mother's family came from Monmore, County Clare. The amazing resources at County Clare Library confirmed that in 1901 Michael and Mary Keane and children Thomas, Delia, Patrick and Honor lived in the Kilrush Rural DED townland of Moanmore North during the Census of 1901. Further examination of the records also found my grandfather's parents, John Kitson and Anne Dee, met in Kilkee where Anne was living with John's mother, Anne, during the Census Returns in 1851. That document lists Anne Dee's parents as Stephen Dee and Bridget Purtil. The address is listed as Lisgurreen, Lisdeen. John and Anne Kitson's son Michael is my grandfather (died 1963 in New York) and Michael and Mary Keane's daughter, Delia, was my grandmother, she died around 1958 also in NYC. Her brother Patrick, who lived with them in NYC during the 1930 U.S. Census also died in the 1960s. My father's father, Maurice Francis Sweeney (b 1882) who immigrated in 1901 and died 4/1/1940, seems to have come from the area, but might have been from Kerry. His father, Morgan McSweeney, married Anna Flynn according to Maurice's sister Nora, (b 1884 d 12/24/1964) who became a Sister of Charity of St. Elizabeth in New Jersey. Maurice had two other sisters, Nellie Horan who had a daughter Josephine, and Mrs. Richard McCarthy, all of Waterbury CT. Maurice married Anna Delaney in 1906 and had a daughter, Anna Sweeney (b 1910). He married my grandmother, Jennie St. Peters, Aug. 25, 1922, in Detroit MI. Jennie was born somewhere in Canada in 1886. Maurice listed Castleisland as his last residence before going to the United States. Nellie may have listed Abbeyfeale. Maurice and Jennie are buried in the New St. Joseph Cemetery in Waterbury, My father, Ned Maurice (b 5/4/1928 in Waterbury d 8/22/1988 on Long Island New York) and mother Nora May (b 9/21/1928 in New York, d 8/18/2004 on Long Island) are both buried in Calverton National Cemetery. A 20-year-old note from an aunt lists Sister Mary Oliver at the Convent of Mercy in Monmore as a cousin and Thomas Keane, also of Monmore as a great-uncle. I would love to know more because I fall deeper in love with my family and my heritage the more I know, including the uncles and cousins. For example, what parishes would have their baptismal, marriage and death certificates. God bless you all, Ned. Ned Sweeney Central Islip NY 11722

I for one would love to hear more detail Marilyn, if it's OK with the List Admin. Old diaries are one of our most important tools for building up the background picture of our ancestors. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <MSiperek@aol.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand > information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some correspondence from an > ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from > Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters or scan

Hi Jo Well the McNamara caught my eye - only because I too am searching for a Mary McNamara - also from County Clare - but where I do not know. The surname that she is connected with is HAYES - Mary MCNAMARA married a John HAYES - the only saving grace is that they gave birth to a MORTIMER HAYES in 1842 in Ireland. They departed Ireland in 1846 for South Australia. At the time of departure, two of Mary's siblings, Patrick and John MCNAMARA joined them on the journey - on the Hooghly. We do not know the age for sure for any of them - family tragedy took Mary (death not registered), and John HAYES disappeared in search of gold in 1850's leaving the two boys orphaned. One was raised by RODGERS family (of Westmeath) who married an Ellen McNamara (of Clare - no established relation - but I'm thinking connected) and the other son was raised by Patrick MCNamara. WE know very little of John MCNAMARA - but have some of Patrick's family all summed up. I wish that I could locate a Parish to start searching in - but alas I fear to many MCNAMARA's in Clare - can you confirm this? Cheers Shane from Oz

Hi John These events were in the 1860's. I guess he probably jumped from the Portuguese Navy in America and under an assumed name signed on to come to Australia, I have hunted for him in the newspapers of the day and not found him in the deserters lists, probably was not known by his given name. Perplexing to say the least. Interesting though, I had not considered there were 3 services, Navy, Merchant Marine & Merchant Navy. Robert -----Original Message----- From: John Walton [mailto:vabre@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:16 PM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions Hi Robert, If he was in the "Grey Funnel Line" ( American Navy and not the American Merchant Marine) one would think that they would still be searching for him, for to jump ship in the Navy , he would have been branded as a deserter. With, the Merchant Navy - I don't think they would look too long for him as that would cost more money than it would be worth. However, if he jumped ship in the merchant marine then I would think it would be hard for him to sign back on an other vessel for you had a Discharge Book where all entries are recorded. But who knows for they all seemed to have told lies. No different from today I guess. John...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > Thanks for that John > > My entry into this subject was prompted by an ancestor that joined the > Portuguese Navy, allegedly jumped ship in America, then joined the > American > Navy and again jumped ship, in Australia. I wonder about the validity of > his story given that some of his other information has proved to be > fiction. > Discussions as we are having help to mould ones thoughts. > > Robert in Melbourne > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Walton [mailto:vabre@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 11:46 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > Hi Robert and Marylyn, > > I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. > In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British > Mercatile > Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in > tradition, > but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each > trip > > we > signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the > captain. > I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage > to > > Liverpool, > and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was > termed > as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or > Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that > there > had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty > odd > years. > Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it > doesn't come as a surprise > that your ancestor changed ships. > The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up > cargo from port to port > and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as > to > when you would > return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor > conditions > they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. > Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle > Line etc. ran > god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually > pretty "rusty" old buckets. > This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw > some > light on to the traditions > that exist in the maritime industry. > > John...Sydney. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > >> G'Day Marilyn >> >> That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter >> transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. >> >> Robert in Aus >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] >> Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM >> To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions >> >> I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand >> information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some >> correspondence from an >> ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from >> Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters >> or >> scan >> them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all >> shiphands >> but here are some observations from his letters: >> 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a >> different >> >> ship to return to his homeland. >> 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait >> for >> months to find another ship to return home. >> 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at >> all. >> When I have more time I will offer more details. >> Marilyn >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send >> e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the >> word >> subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_cen > sus.htm >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Hi Robert, If he was in the "Grey Funnel Line" ( American Navy and not the American Merchant Marine) one would think that they would still be searching for him, for to jump ship in the Navy , he would have been branded as a deserter. With, the Merchant Navy - I don't think they would look too long for him as that would cost more money than it would be worth. However, if he jumped ship in the merchant marine then I would think it would be hard for him to sign back on an other vessel for you had a Discharge Book where all entries are recorded. But who knows for they all seemed to have told lies. No different from today I guess. John...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > Thanks for that John > > My entry into this subject was prompted by an ancestor that joined the > Portuguese Navy, allegedly jumped ship in America, then joined the > American > Navy and again jumped ship, in Australia. I wonder about the validity of > his story given that some of his other information has proved to be > fiction. > Discussions as we are having help to mould ones thoughts. > > Robert in Melbourne > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Walton [mailto:vabre@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 11:46 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > Hi Robert and Marylyn, > > I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. > In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British > Mercatile > Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in > tradition, > but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each > trip > > we > signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the > captain. > I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage > to > > Liverpool, > and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was > termed > as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or > Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that > there > had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty > odd > years. > Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it > doesn't come as a surprise > that your ancestor changed ships. > The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up > cargo from port to port > and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as > to > when you would > return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor > conditions > they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. > Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle > Line etc. ran > god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually > pretty "rusty" old buckets. > This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw > some > light on to the traditions > that exist in the maritime industry. > > John...Sydney. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> > To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > >> G'Day Marilyn >> >> That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter >> transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. >> >> Robert in Aus >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] >> Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM >> To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions >> >> I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand >> information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some >> correspondence from an >> ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from >> Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters >> or >> scan >> them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all >> shiphands >> but here are some observations from his letters: >> 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a >> different >> >> ship to return to his homeland. >> 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait >> for >> months to find another ship to return home. >> 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at >> all. >> When I have more time I will offer more details. >> Marilyn >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send >> e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the >> word >> subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_cen > sus.htm >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Thanks for that John My entry into this subject was prompted by an ancestor that joined the Portuguese Navy, allegedly jumped ship in America, then joined the American Navy and again jumped ship, in Australia. I wonder about the validity of his story given that some of his other information has proved to be fiction. Discussions as we are having help to mould ones thoughts. Robert in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: John Walton [mailto:vabre@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 11:46 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions Hi Robert and Marylyn, I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British Mercatile Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in tradition, but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each trip we signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the captain. I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage to Liverpool, and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was termed as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that there had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty odd years. Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it doesn't come as a surprise that your ancestor changed ships. The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up cargo from port to port and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as to when you would return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor conditions they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle Line etc. ran god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually pretty "rusty" old buckets. This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw some light on to the traditions that exist in the maritime industry. John...Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > G'Day Marilyn > > That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter > transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand > information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some > correspondence from an > ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from > Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters > or > scan > them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all > shiphands > but here are some observations from his letters: > 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a > different > > ship to return to his homeland. > 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for > months to find another ship to return home. > 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at > all. > When I have more time I will offer more details. > Marilyn > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_cen sus.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. NO VIRUS warnings to be posted to the list. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Robert and Marylyn, I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British Mercatile Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in tradition, but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each trip we signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the captain. I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage to Liverpool, and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was termed as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that there had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty odd years. Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it doesn't come as a surprise that your ancestor changed ships. The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up cargo from port to port and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as to when you would return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor conditions they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle Line etc. ran god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually pretty "rusty" old buckets. This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw some light on to the traditions that exist in the maritime industry. John...Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > G'Day Marilyn > > That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter > transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand > information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some > correspondence from an > ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from > Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters > or > scan > them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all > shiphands > but here are some observations from his letters: > 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a > different > > ship to return to his homeland. > 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for > months to find another ship to return home. > 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at > all. > When I have more time I will offer more details. > Marilyn > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_census.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Jo and Shane, See one question below < I wish that I could locate a Parish to start searching in - but alas I fear too many MCNAMARA's in Clare - can you confirm this? > Yes, many Macs in Clare, in the 1901 census there were some 28,000 + families. So unless you have a spouse's name, and one that is a bit unique, you could be in for the long haul. regards, Jim McNamara ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashenique" <ashenique@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:49 AM Subject: McNamara name > Hi Jo > Well the McNamara caught my eye - only because I too am searching for a > Mary > McNamara - also from County Clare - but where I do not know. The surname > that she is connected with is HAYES - Mary MCNAMARA married a John HAYES - > the only saving grace is that they gave birth to a MORTIMER HAYES in 1842 > in > Ireland. They departed Ireland in 1846 for South Australia. > At the time of departure, two of Mary's siblings, Patrick and John > MCNAMARA > joined them on the journey - on the Hooghly. We do not know the age for > sure > for any of them - family tragedy took Mary (death not registered), and > John > HAYES disappeared in search of gold in 1850's leaving the two boys > orphaned. > One was raised by RODGERS family (of Westmeath) who married an Ellen > McNamara (of Clare - no established relation - but I'm thinking connected) > and the other son was raised by Patrick MCNamara. > > WE know very little of John MCNAMARA - but have some of Patrick's family > all > summed up. > > I wish that I could locate a Parish to start searching in - but alas I > fear > to many MCNAMARA's in Clare - can you confirm this? > > Cheers > Shane from Oz > > ______________________________

G'Day Marilyn That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. Robert in Aus -----Original Message----- From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some correspondence from an ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters or scan them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all shiphands but here are some observations from his letters: 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a different ship to return to his homeland. 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for months to find another ship to return home. 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at all. When I have more time I will offer more details. Marilyn ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks for the reply Joseph, at least I know nothing is amiss. What is summer in Canada like? I mean what extremes in weather. Robert in Aus -----Original Message----- From: Joseph C Dorsey [mailto:jcd622@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, 27 August 2006 2:20 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] Test Nothing since 24th Aug You are getting what I am getting.....nothing. Everyone is obviously busy doing other things. I am spending my summer in Canada and just lurking in the background. I guess everyone is getting ready for a big Labor Day weekend, or they have all the info they need at the moment from this site. Have a great weekend Joseph Sealy, TX Robert Craig Doherty <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hi Listers Have had no posts since 24th Aug, very unusual. Is there a problem with the List? Robert in Aus ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail toIRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

*Connaught Journal Galway, Ireland Thursday, Feb 6, 1823 Volume 69 Price 5 Pence* ** LIEUTENANT FRANKLIN'S CASE-BAIL FOR MURDER On Monday, the Bench was moved to admit to bail Lieut. FRANKLIN & Patrick THORNTON, charged with the murder of Thomas HEHIR. The facts of this case have already been before the public; and which had arisen out of a seizure of illicit malt in the County of Clare. The learned Counsel quoted the statute 46th King, ch. 106, wherein if a revenue officer should be obstructed in the execution of his duty, he was warranted to repel force to force, and if in consequence any thing fatal occurred, it became imperative in a Magistrate to admit such officer to bail. Counsel stated that Mr. FRANKLIN was assailed by teh deceased together with a mob of 200 persons, crying out in Irish to attack him, and upon which several stones were flung. Mr. FRANKLIN pursued the deceased,but his horse having stuck in the bog, he followed the deceased on foot, who turned round with an uncommon wattle and made an effort to give him a blow which he followed up by a second, and a third; and reduced Mr. FRANKLIN to the necessity of defending himself; he put his hand into his pocket and drew therefrom a pistol and fired at HEHIR, which unfortunately mortally wounded him. He therefore contended, under all the circumstances of the case, Lieut. FRANKLIN was entitled to be admitted to bail. A young man then addressed the Court and stated, that this was a proceeding which was not expected, and prayed for further time before the parties was admitted to bail. The Lord Chief Justice desired that Lieutenant FRANKLIN should be admitted to bail, himself in 500l. and two sureties in 200l. each-and that THORNTON, whose circumstances were not so good, would be admitted to bail in 100l. and two sureties in 50l each. And in reply to the observations of the individual who addressed the Bench, that the ground of their decision lay in the information of the deceased-so that there was no likelihood of a failure of justice. this article found on this website http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/1823febconnaught.htm

I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some correspondence from an ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters or scan them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all shiphands but here are some observations from his letters: 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a different ship to return to his homeland. 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for months to find another ship to return home. 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at all. When I have more time I will offer more details. Marilyn

Yes, talk about a difference. It has been fantastic for us. We got the idea to become "Summer Canadians" from the "Winter Texans" that visit the Rio Grande Valley at the bottom of Texas each winter for four to six months. They are Canadians that flee their cold and snow. That is the best part about being full time in the RV. If you don't like the weather, go to the other area of the continent. It was funny last month in Nova Scotia when the owner of the park at Cape Margaret told a gentlemen it was too hot to be out doing anything that day. It was about 82 degrees F and we were loving it. This past week in Ottawa, Ont., the nights dropped to about the high 40's or low 50's and the days have been high 60's and low 70's. Glorious weather, just can't get enough of it. At this point I should add that the Canadians have been fantastic hosts. Every where we have gone they have treated us exceptionally well. In French Quebec they were kind and helped me with my limited French language. I am looking forward to being a "Summer Canadian" again next year. Joseph Sealy, TX Robert Craig Doherty <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Thanks for the reply Joseph, at least I know nothing is amiss. What is summer in Canada like? I mean what extremes in weather. Robert in Aus -----Original Message----- From: Joseph C Dorsey [mailto:jcd622@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, 27 August 2006 2:20 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] Test Nothing since 24th Aug You are getting what I am getting.....nothing. Everyone is obviously busy doing other things. I am spending my summer in Canada and just lurking in the background. I guess everyone is getting ready for a big Labor Day weekend, or they have all the info they need at the moment from this site. Have a great weekend Joseph Sealy, TX Robert Craig Doherty wrote: Hi Listers Have had no posts since 24th Aug, very unusual. Is there a problem with the List? Robert in Aus ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail toIRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hi Listers Have had no posts since 24th Aug, very unusual. Is there a problem with the List? Robert in Aus

Patrick Hagan was a ship captain who lived in County Clare, Ireland sometime between the years 1688 - 1788. He settled in Charleston, S.C. U.S.A. after he retired from the sea. The family story I am using as a basis for this research mentions this Patrick Hagan was the father, grandfather or great grandfather of a Francis Hagan. Francis Hagan lived in Frederick, Maryland, U.S.A. from about 1780 to his death in 1825. To arrive at dates for Francis' father, grandfather and gr grandfather, I used 27 years as a generation and arrived at the dates 1688-1788. Any help in locating County Clare records about Patrick Hagan (any spelling) for the years 1688-1788 is appreaciated.

You are getting what I am getting.....nothing. Everyone is obviously busy doing other things. I am spending my summer in Canada and just lurking in the background. I guess everyone is getting ready for a big Labor Day weekend, or they have all the info they need at the moment from this site. Have a great weekend Joseph Sealy, TX Robert Craig Doherty <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hi Listers Have had no posts since 24th Aug, very unusual. Is there a problem with the List? Robert in Aus ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail toIRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx