Hi Sharon, >From what I'm reading on another listowner list (after I delve thru the wads and wads of mind numbing information) what I'm walking away with is that some might have problems during the transition to "mailman" the new program rootsweb is using. You might have been one of them. It's going through growing pains right now but it should subside soon. Don might have something to contribute to this if he's reading this email. Liz On 8/31/06, Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > Robert, > > If you are receiving Clare list postings in your inbox and > you are sending postings which appear online, then you > do not have a problem. If you look back over the past > week, you will see that almost none of the longtime list- > members have postings which appear since the list was > migrated to the new server by Rootsweb. I don't know > how many of them are waiting for something to appear > after the list migration is complete (which is now apparently > is) and have not caught on that they are off the list until > they re-subscribe, as I found that I had to do. > > If you did not have to do anything to stay subscribed, > consider yourself lucky. I have no idea how that happened > for you and not for others. > > Sharon C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > > > > Hi Sharon > > > > I don't think I understand, how can I know if I have a problem? > > > > Robert in Aus > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry > > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 7:38 PM > > To: IRL-Clare@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > > > > If anyone is coming to the Clare list archives on the Rootsweb > > website in order to see list postings because the new ones > > are not appearing in your inbox provided via your internet service, I had > > the same problem and solved it yesterday by > > re-subscribing. It had been my expectation that I could > > continue without interruption on my end, only that the list > > itself was migrating to a new server and would drop the "L" > > from the list name. > > > > I have been trying to make postings throughout the list > > migration period and finally yesterday received a return > > message from Rootsweb, stating that the list administrator > > would be reviewing my proffered posting since it is from a > > non-member (meaning me). I then re-subscribed and I am > > back to the former capacity of receiving postings in my own > > inbox and making postings. > > > > I am assuming that others are having the same experience. > > Other than the one automatically-generated message yesterday, I have had > no > > guidance on the problem. I just > > did this caveman-style and it worked. > > > > Sharon Carberry > > Georgia USA > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Sharon, I have probably just forgotten how to do what I am asking. If one finds an obit on the Clare Champion, how does one obtain the full article? Thank you. Alanna

Robert, If you are receiving Clare list postings in your inbox and you are sending postings which appear online, then you do not have a problem. If you look back over the past week, you will see that almost none of the longtime list- members have postings which appear since the list was migrated to the new server by Rootsweb. I don't know how many of them are waiting for something to appear after the list migration is complete (which is now apparently is) and have not caught on that they are off the list until they re-subscribe, as I found that I had to do. If you did not have to do anything to stay subscribed, consider yourself lucky. I have no idea how that happened for you and not for others. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > Hi Sharon > > I don't think I understand, how can I know if I have a problem? > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 7:38 PM > To: IRL-Clare@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > > If anyone is coming to the Clare list archives on the Rootsweb > website in order to see list postings because the new ones > are not appearing in your inbox provided via your internet service, I had > the same problem and solved it yesterday by > re-subscribing. It had been my expectation that I could > continue without interruption on my end, only that the list > itself was migrating to a new server and would drop the "L" > from the list name. > > I have been trying to make postings throughout the list > migration period and finally yesterday received a return > message from Rootsweb, stating that the list administrator > would be reviewing my proffered posting since it is from a > non-member (meaning me). I then re-subscribed and I am > back to the former capacity of receiving postings in my own > inbox and making postings. > > I am assuming that others are having the same experience. > Other than the one automatically-generated message yesterday, I have had no > guidance on the problem. I just > did this caveman-style and it worked. > > Sharon Carberry > Georgia USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006 > >

Hi Jo, Are you related to the Ballyvaughan, Gleninagh McNamaras? Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: <Josiebanks@aol.com> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] McNamara (+ Fitzpatrick) > Hi Shane, > I think you are very lucky to have a forename like Mortimore. For me > it is Patrick, Elizabeth (FITZPATRICKs), Michael, John (COLLINSes), Mary > McNAMARA and Joann PURCELL! > > You are right-McNAMARAs are all around Co. Clare. I am concentrating > on the ones that are near Patrick FITZPATRICKS according to Griffith's > Valuation. You might want to do the same for McNAMARA and HAYES if you haven't yet. > > Those places and the McNAMARAs found there are: > 1.) Clooney, South Clooney Ennistimon > William, John, Matthew, Michael, Daniel, Patrick, & Thomas > McNamara > 2.) Caherbarnagh and Deerpark West Kilmacrechy Ennistimon > Capt. Francis McNamara > 3.) Dough, Lehinch Town Kilmacrechy Ennistimon > Michael & Thomas McNamara > 4.) Caheraderry, Moymore, North, & Killaspuglonane all in > Killaspuglonane > John, John B. & Matthew McNamara > 5.) Finnor More: Mullagh Village Kilmurry Kilrush > Timothy McNamara > 6.) Murrooghtoohy, South Gleninagh Ballyvaghan > Capt. Francis McNamara > 7.) Feakle Feakle Scarriff > Patrick McNamara > > My Mary McNamara Fitzpatrick had a daughter in Oct. 1829 (Eliza) in > Co. Clare > Your Mary McNamara Hayes had a son in 1842 in Co. Clare. (Cousins???) > > I will check through my notes-copied from LDS microfilches-for any > McNamara-Hayes connection and let you know. However, I have concentrated on the > year 1829 and may be too early for your family. Eliza's birthdate & parents' > names are all I have to go on. > > Jo Banks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ms. Carberry: Have you contacted the listmistress and notified her of the problem. I understand your frustration, however, rather than complaining on-line, how about taking steps to correct the situation. Kerry McGrath Iowa USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Carberry<mailto:sm8carberry@comcast.net> To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] response to Robert about receiving postings Robert, If you are receiving Clare list postings in your inbox and you are sending postings which appear online, then you do not have a problem. If you look back over the past week, you will see that almost none of the longtime list- members have postings which appear since the list was migrated to the new server by Rootsweb. I don't know how many of them are waiting for something to appear after the list migration is complete (which is now apparently is) and have not caught on that they are off the list until they re-subscribe, as I found that I had to do. If you did not have to do anything to stay subscribed, consider yourself lucky. I have no idea how that happened for you and not for others. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" <rdo40224@bigpond.net.au<mailto:rdo40224@bigpond.net.au>> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-clare@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > Hi Sharon > > I don't think I understand, how can I know if I have a problem? > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 7:38 PM > To: IRL-Clare@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-Clare@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > > If anyone is coming to the Clare list archives on the Rootsweb > website in order to see list postings because the new ones > are not appearing in your inbox provided via your internet service, I had > the same problem and solved it yesterday by > re-subscribing. It had been my expectation that I could > continue without interruption on my end, only that the list > itself was migrating to a new server and would drop the "L" > from the list name. > > I have been trying to make postings throughout the list > migration period and finally yesterday received a return > message from Rootsweb, stating that the list administrator > would be reviewing my proffered posting since it is from a > non-member (meaning me). I then re-subscribed and I am > back to the former capacity of receiving postings in my own > inbox and making postings. > > I am assuming that others are having the same experience. > Other than the one automatically-generated message yesterday, I have had no > guidance on the problem. I just > did this caveman-style and it worked. > > Sharon Carberry > Georgia USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now Mary Ellen, I did go to sea in 1957 not 1860's ha! ha! , however to the best of my knowledge this is how it was in my days. A rating is not an officer, he is as you suggest a seaman. This was commonly referred to in my days in the Navy not the Merchant Navy. When I signed on in Sydney I was given a "Seaman's Record" which was basically an I.D.card. On entering the U.K for the first time they prepared a "British Identity Book", this detailed all you personal information and the authorities entered detailed information on each voyage you signed on. At the end of each voyage one would sign off and details as to your conduct etc were recorded. Voyages were either called "Home Articles" i.e. from UK to the Continent, or "Deep Sea Articles " being overseas to Australia, United States, Canada, Africa, India etc. Tramp ships were on Deep Sea articles and one would never know as to when you would ever return home, for they took cargo from port to port. I did, at some stage recently transcribe from original manifests details of passengers and ships in Australian Waters during the time frame you mentioned. for NSW Records. Details on these manifests always showed the Captain , officers and crew on each vessel. My suggestion to you is to log onto www.mariners.records.gov.au and laboriously go through each vessel for his name. You will be able to eliminate a ship by noticing as from where they departed. If you would like, if you gave me your ancestors information I will try and look for you as well. John Walton...Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > John~ > I am trying to locate my g grandfather but the timeline is > 1860-1868. Oral history has him deserting the Royal Navy. He was English > but was living in Limerick City when he married my g grandmother in 1860. > The marriage certificate his occupation is listed as a seaman. He lived > on St. Mary's Lane and attended St. Mary's church (Protestant). I tried > to track him through records at Kew but they told me they had no record of > him. That he was probably a "rating" because officers rarely deserted. > They had pensions to maintain. Have you ever heard of the the term > "rating". Is that the same as a seaman? > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > John Walton <vabre@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Robert and Marylyn, > > I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. > In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British > Mercatile > Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in > tradition, > but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each > trip > we > signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the > captain. > I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage > to > Liverpool, > and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was > termed > as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or > Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that > there > had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty > odd > years. > Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it > doesn't come as a surprise > that your ancestor changed ships. > The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up > cargo from port to port > and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as > to > when you would > return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor > conditions > they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. > Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle > Line etc. ran > god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually > pretty "rusty" old buckets. > This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw > some > light on to the traditions > that exist in the maritime industry. > > John...Sydney. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Craig Doherty" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > >> G'Day Marilyn >> >> That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter >> transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. >> >> Robert in Aus >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] >> Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM >> To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions >> >> I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand >> information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some >> correspondence from an >> ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from >> Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters >> or >> scan >> them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all >> shiphands >> but here are some observations from his letters: >> 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a >> different >> >> ship to return to his homeland. >> 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for >> months to find another ship to return home. >> 3. I was amazed to see that he was able to correspond with his family at >> all. >> When I have more time I will offer more details. >> Marilyn >> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send >> e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the >> word >> subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== >> http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_census.htm >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Yes, Liz, "ugh" is right. And yes, I know Liz's email went to the list accidentally. This is, too, going to the list. Kerry, I didn't take Sharon's posting as a complaint, but as her usual helpful demeanor. Sharon encountered a problem personally, found out how to resolve it for herself and then posted what she discovered to help anyone else who also has encountered the problem. This topic dealt directly with genealogy as many people use this list to gain insight on research techniques and resources. If some members have suddenly become unsubbed, as Sharon experienced, they cannot gain anything from the list to help them with their family history researching. I have a request to make of all of us still hanging onto an ever-changing medium of communication. Let's try to abide by Cara's initial request to use the list for research purposes only. Comments like yours, Kerry, are very detrimental to the morale, and they fail to further anybody's research, unlike what Sharon posts. Jeanne Liz Haren <lizharen@gmail.com> wrote: ugh On 8/31/06, KERRY C MC*GRATH wrote: > Ms. Carberry: > > Have you contacted the listmistress and notified her of the problem. I understand your frustration, however, rather than complaining on-line, how about taking steps to correct the situation. > > Kerry McGrath > Iowa USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Carberry > To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] response to Robert about receiving postings > > > Robert, > > If you are receiving Clare list postings in your inbox and > you are sending postings which appear online, then you > do not have a problem. If you look back over the past > week, you will see that almost none of the longtime list- > members have postings which appear since the list was > migrated to the new server by Rootsweb. I don't know > how many of them are waiting for something to appear > after the list migration is complete (which is now apparently > is) and have not caught on that they are off the list until > they re-subscribe, as I found that I had to do. > > If you did not have to do anything to stay subscribed, > consider yourself lucky. I have no idea how that happened > for you and not for others. > > Sharon C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Craig Doherty" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > > > > Hi Sharon > > > > I don't think I understand, how can I know if I have a problem? > > > > Robert in Aus > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry > > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 7:38 PM > > To: IRL-Clare@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] For those having difficulty receiving postings > > > > If anyone is coming to the Clare list archives on the Rootsweb > > website in order to see list postings because the new ones > > are not appearing in your inbox provided via your internet service, I had > > the same problem and solved it yesterday by > > re-subscribing. It had been my expectation that I could > > continue without interruption on my end, only that the list > > itself was migrating to a new server and would drop the "L" > > from the list name. > > > > I have been trying to make postings throughout the list > > migration period and finally yesterday received a return > > message from Rootsweb, stating that the list administrator > > would be reviewing my proffered posting since it is from a > > non-member (meaning me). I then re-subscribed and I am > > back to the former capacity of receiving postings in my own > > inbox and making postings. > > > > I am assuming that others are having the same experience. > > Other than the one automatically-generated message yesterday, I have had > no > > guidance on the problem. 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If anyone is coming to the Clare list archives on the Rootsweb website in order to see list postings because the new ones are not appearing in your inbox provided via your internet service, I had the same problem and solved it yesterday by re-subscribing. It had been my expectation that I could continue without interruption on my end, only that the list itself was migrating to a new server and would drop the "L" from the list name. I have been trying to make postings throughout the list migration period and finally yesterday received a return message from Rootsweb, stating that the list administrator would be reviewing my proffered posting since it is from a non-member (meaning me). I then re-subscribed and I am back to the former capacity of receiving postings in my own inbox and making postings. I am assuming that others are having the same experience. Other than the one automatically-generated message yesterday, I have had no guidance on the problem. I just did this caveman-style and it worked. Sharon Carberry Georgia USA

Hi Jim Thanks for this - yes I know of the site but unfortunately no match - maybe you are right though I should contribute to it in the hope of finding a match. Will visit your site and have a look Thanks Shane -----Original Message----- From: jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net [mailto:jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, 29 August 2006 5:39 PM To: ashenique; IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: McNamara name Hi Shane, Hopefully you have seen this Australian Mack site: http://www.angelfire.com/oz/mcnamara/ and check out my reworked page: www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/irishlinks.html Best wishes, Jim McNamara BIFHS-USA Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa

Thanks Norma Sorry no connect - all I have is what I have given on the list - not much heh? Thanks for the reply though Cheers Shane -----Original Message----- From: noramc@optusnet.com.au [mailto:noramc@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 12:31 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] McNamara name Hi Shane, I don't know if we can connect here, but, my great grand father's (Michael) parents were James McNamara and Annie Rogers of County Clare. Michael was born in 1856 at Maghera, County Clare - this is north-west of Killaloe, and south of Feakle. Family story is he travelled to Australia with a sister, Mary, in 1880. So your Mary McNamara may be related to my James - whereby he has named a daughter after her. Regards Nora McNamara Melbourne, Aust.

Thanks John Sorry I can not connect here - but I appreciate the reply. Good luck in your searching Shane -----Original Message----- From: john minahan [mailto:jfminahan@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 8:42 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CLARE] McNamara name I HAVE A GGGRANMOTHER MARY MCNAMARA MARRIED TO JOHN MINAHAN 1857 BRIGHTON VIC AUST. BOTH WORKED IN THE RAILWAYS AND ARE BURIED TOGETHER IN THE MARYBOROUGH CEMETERY, THEIR TOMBSTONE STATES "A NATIVE OF CLARE". MARY'S PARENTS WERE JAMES MCNAMARA AND JOHANNA O'MEALLY. I BELIEVE THAT MARY CAME TO AUST AROUND 1856/7 BUT HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO LOCATE SHIPPING DETAILS. REGARDS, JOHN MINAHAN MELBOURNE OZ

Hi Shane, I think you are very lucky to have a forename like Mortimore. For me it is Patrick, Elizabeth (FITZPATRICKs), Michael, John (COLLINSes), Mary McNAMARA and Joann PURCELL! You are right-McNAMARAs are all around Co. Clare. I am concentrating on the ones that are near Patrick FITZPATRICKS according to Griffith's Valuation. You might want to do the same for McNAMARA and HAYES if you haven't yet. Those places and the McNAMARAs found there are: 1.) Clooney, South Clooney Ennistimon William, John, Matthew, Michael, Daniel, Patrick, & Thomas McNamara 2.) Caherbarnagh and Deerpark West Kilmacrechy Ennistimon Capt. Francis McNamara 3.) Dough, Lehinch Town Kilmacrechy Ennistimon Michael & Thomas McNamara 4.) Caheraderry, Moymore, North, & Killaspuglonane all in Killaspuglonane John, John B. & Matthew McNamara 5.) Finnor More: Mullagh Village Kilmurry Kilrush Timothy McNamara 6.) Murrooghtoohy, South Gleninagh Ballyvaghan Capt. Francis McNamara 7.) Feakle Feakle Scarriff Patrick McNamara My Mary McNamara Fitzpatrick had a daughter in Oct. 1829 (Eliza) in Co. Clare Your Mary McNamara Hayes had a son in 1842 in Co. Clare. (Cousins???) I will check through my notes-copied from LDS microfilches-for any McNamara-Hayes connection and let you know. However, I have concentrated on the year 1829 and may be too early for your family. Eliza's birthdate & parents' names are all I have to go on. Jo Banks

Hi, I have just found that my g-grandfather had a sister Mary who came to Australia. Is anyone else researching these people? Daniel Crotty & Mary Crotty (nee Kenny) came to Australia c 1849 They had two children baptised in Victoria John in 1849 at Geelong and Mary in 1852 at St Francis, Melbourne when they were living in Plenty. They had other children but did not register their births. Mary Crotty died in South Melbourne in 1893 aged 76 - her parents were James Kenny & Bridget O'Halloran. I have the deaths of some of Daniel & Mary's children. Margaret Frances Crotty age 68 in 1933 Mary Agnes Crotty 79 in 1933 Bridget RYAN 76 in 1926 died in Moonee Ponds

John~ I am trying to locate my g grandfather but the timeline is 1860-1868. Oral history has him deserting the Royal Navy. He was English but was living in Limerick City when he married my g grandmother in 1860. The marriage certificate his occupation is listed as a seaman. He lived on St. Mary's Lane and attended St. Mary's church (Protestant). I tried to track him through records at Kew but they told me they had no record of him. That he was probably a "rating" because officers rarely deserted. They had pensions to maintain. Have you ever heard of the the term "rating". Is that the same as a seaman? Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH John Walton <vabre@optusnet.com.au> wrote: Hi Robert and Marylyn, I thought I would jump in here to let you know of my experience. In the late 1950's and early 1960's I was an engineer in the British Mercatile Marine. As you most probably know the Maritime industry is steeped in tradition, but I guess things have now changed. However when I was at sea, on each trip we signed on for the voyage or part thereof, if that was agreeable to the captain. I know that when I first went to sea I signed on in Sydney for the voyage to Liverpool, and on each voyage I had to sign on again, whether that was, what was termed as "Home Articles" ( voyages to ports on the Continent) or Deep Sea Articles ( voyages to Australia, USA etc). I wouldn't think that there had been many changes to that procedure over the last hundred and fifty odd years. Tradition in the Navy ( Mercanile or Royal) still exists. Therefore it doesn't come as a surprise that your ancestor changed ships. The other aspect is in my time some ships were "tramp" ships, picking up cargo from port to port and if one signed on a tramp ship for the voyage then you had no idea as to when you would return to your home port. This lead to seaman jumping ship. Poor conditions they at some times had to endure also prompted them to jump ship. Regular shipping companies such as Cunard, Port Line , Blue Star, Castle Line etc. ran god ships and looked after their crew. Where the tramp ships were usually pretty "rusty" old buckets. This is not perhaps directly related to your ancestor but it may throw some light on to the traditions that exist in the maritime industry. John...Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Craig Doherty" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > G'Day Marilyn > > That's very interesting information; I look forward to the letter > transcriptions. That puts a different completion on crews changing ship. > > Robert in Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSiperek@aol.com [mailto:MSiperek@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 1:27 AM > To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CLARE] emigrant ship questions > > I know this response is delayed but I wanted to add some first hand > information on ship travel during the 1819-1822. I have some > correspondence from an > ancestor who was a ship mate on a variety of ships traveling to and from > Scotland, Ireland and US and Canada. I cannot transcribe these letters > or > scan > them at this time, due family commitments. I cannot speak for all > shiphands > but here are some observations from his letters: > 1. He did not stay with one ship. Sometimes he would look for a > different > > ship to return to his homeland. > 2. At times the condition of the ship were so bad that he would wait for > months to find another ship to return home. > 3. 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I HAVE A GGGRANMOTHER MARY MCNAMARA MARRIED TO JOHN MINAHAN 1857 BRIGHTON VIC AUST. BOTH WORKED IN THE RAILWAYS AND ARE BURIED TOGETHER IN THE MARYBOROUGH CEMETERY, THEIR TOMBSTONE STATES "A NATIVE OF CLARE". MARY'S PARENTS WERE JAMES MCNAMARA AND JOHANNA O'MEALLY. I BELIEVE THAT MARY CAME TO AUST AROUND 1856/7 BUT HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO LOCATE SHIPPING DETAILS. REGARDS, JOHN MINAHAN MELBOURNE OZ -----Original Message----- From: noramc@optusnet.com.au [mailto:noramc@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 12:31 AM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] McNamara name Hi Shane, I don't know if we can connect here, but, my great grand father's (Michael) parents were James McNamara and Annie Rogers of County Clare. Michael was born in 1856 at Maghera, County Clare - this is north-west of Killaloe, and south of Feakle. Family story is he travelled to Australia with a sister, Mary, in 1880. So your Mary McNamara may be related to my James - whereby he has named a daughter after her. Regards Nora McNamara Melbourne, Aust. > ashenique <ashenique@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Jo > Well the McNamara caught my eye - only because I too am searching for a > Mary > McNamara - also from County Clare - but where I do not know. The surname > that she is connected with is HAYES - Mary MCNAMARA married a John HAYES > - > the only saving grace is that they gave birth to a MORTIMER HAYES in > 1842 in > Ireland. They departed Ireland in 1846 for South Australia. > At the time of departure, two of Mary's siblings, Patrick and John > MCNAMARA > joined them on the journey - on the Hooghly. We do not know the age for > sure > for any of them - family tragedy took Mary (death not registered), and > John > HAYES disappeared in search of gold in 1850's leaving the two boys > orphaned. > One was raised by RODGERS family (of Westmeath) who married an Ellen > McNamara (of Clare - no established relation - but I'm thinking > connected) > and the other son was raised by Patrick MCNamara. > > WE know very little of John MCNAMARA - but have some of Patrick's family > all > summed up. > > I wish that I could locate a Parish to start searching in - but alas I > fear > to many MCNAMARA's in Clare - can you confirm this? > > Cheers > Shane from Oz > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare _ > census.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== To change your subscription, to unsub, to check out the list's arcchives http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-CLARE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/429 - Release Date: 28/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 29/08/2006

IRELAND. Limerick, Jan 1. We hear from O'Callaghan's Mills, in the County of Clare, that about Two o'Clock on Sunday Morning last, 16 Men attacked the House of one Gooney, a Farmer in that Neighbourhood, and after forcing his House, carried away his Daughter (an only Child) in her shift, and in this inhuman Manner were passing through the Village of O'Callaghan's Mills, where Mr. John Bourchier (who happed to be at Hand, and got short Notice of the Affair) attacked the Party in a narrow Defile, rescued the Girl, and took the Principal, one Gooney, Prisoner, whilst his Servants knocked another of the Party over the Bridge, who was carried down the River by the Flood and escaped. The Prisoner was handed by Mr. Bouchier to some Fellows of the Village; to be secured, who suffered him to escape, while Mr. Bourchier was securing the poor terrified Girl, and preparing to pursue the rest of the Party who fled, and by the Darkness of the Morning escaped. Berrow's Worcester Journal January 25th, 1770 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dutillieul/ZOtherPapers/NewBWJ25Jan1770.html Sharon C.

This is a much plainer listing than the Ellen O'Beirne (sp?) publication from which Declan Barron recently posted an excerpt of the Fitzgerald listing. I checked the list archives and don't see that this has been posted here yet. http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/frost/appendix5_converts.htm Sharon Carberry

Dear Ned, There was no web site for Jimmy Flynn. I was standing in line and another person and I started speaking about the Irish. That led to him telling me about his grandfather[?] who was Jimmy Flynn. He said that he had a most beautiful voice and was very well known by all the important people at the time. I think that he just dropped dead one day. He sang just about the time that recordings came into being. I did not keep the relative's email address on purpose. I might have it some place, but I would have to find it by pure accident. I might have had relatives in AL, but with a totally different surname, as Conwy/Conway, Jones, or maybe others. Those are my mother's people. My father's Scanlon relatives were in New England or PA or NJ. Then there were the relatives who came over in the 1700's or 1800's and never wrote back home and whose names are lost forever in that distant past. Alanna Ned Sweeney <nedf@optonline.net> wrote: Alanna, I want to thank you for your kind reply with a small humorous aside. The last social/romantic date I had was with a charming, good-looking and attractive lady with your last name in Auburn AL. Her father is a big shot in that town. Do you recall the Flynn website, list or email? God bless you and yours, Ned Ned Sweeney Central Islip NY -----Original Message----- From: Alanna Scanlon [mailto:alannal@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:50 PM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] A lot of Clare roots Dear Ned, I see that your family lived in NY as do you. There is an absolutely wonderful NY Irish list owned by Pat Connors. I have almost no connections with NY, so I quit the list. I was doing some work on a Jimmy Flynn of NY for someone else and that list was so very kind. They knew that Jimmy was not my kin, but everyone seemed to have such fun trying to find him and any possible recordings. Jimmy Flynn was a wonderful singer, but I think that he died before any recordings were made of his singing. Sad. Alanna ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Shane, I don't know if we can connect here, but, my great grand father's (Michael) parents were James McNamara and Annie Rogers of County Clare. Michael was born in 1856 at Maghera, County Clare - this is north-west of Killaloe, and south of Feakle. Family story is he travelled to Australia with a sister, Mary, in 1880. So your Mary McNamara may be related to my James - whereby he has named a daughter after her. Regards Nora McNamara Melbourne, Aust. > ashenique <ashenique@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Jo > Well the McNamara caught my eye - only because I too am searching for a > Mary > McNamara - also from County Clare - but where I do not know. The surname > that she is connected with is HAYES - Mary MCNAMARA married a John HAYES > - > the only saving grace is that they gave birth to a MORTIMER HAYES in > 1842 in > Ireland. They departed Ireland in 1846 for South Australia. > At the time of departure, two of Mary's siblings, Patrick and John > MCNAMARA > joined them on the journey - on the Hooghly. We do not know the age for > sure > for any of them - family tragedy took Mary (death not registered), and > John > HAYES disappeared in search of gold in 1850's leaving the two boys > orphaned. > One was raised by RODGERS family (of Westmeath) who married an Ellen > McNamara (of Clare - no established relation - but I'm thinking > connected) > and the other son was raised by Patrick MCNamara. > > WE know very little of John MCNAMARA - but have some of Patrick's family > all > summed up. > > I wish that I could locate a Parish to start searching in - but alas I > fear > to many MCNAMARA's in Clare - can you confirm this? > > Cheers > Shane from Oz > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_ > census.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Alanna, I want to thank you for your kind reply with a small humorous aside. The last social/romantic date I had was with a charming, good-looking and attractive lady with your last name in Auburn AL. Her father is a big shot in that town. Do you recall the Flynn website, list or email? God bless you and yours, Ned Ned Sweeney Central Islip NY -----Original Message----- From: Alanna Scanlon [mailto:alannal@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:50 PM To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CLARE] A lot of Clare roots Dear Ned, I see that your family lived in NY as do you. There is an absolutely wonderful NY Irish list owned by Pat Connors. I have almost no connections with NY, so I quit the list. I was doing some work on a Jimmy Flynn of NY for someone else and that list was so very kind. They knew that Jimmy was not my kin, but everyone seemed to have such fun trying to find him and any possible recordings. Jimmy Flynn was a wonderful singer, but I think that he died before any recordings were made of his singing. Sad. Alanna ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx