Sharon at sm8carberry@comcast.net writes: > If anyone else has a better way to determine miles on a Discovery Series Map, kindly post about it. < Sharon, I'm not sure when this thread started (I only went back to late Aug. archives <gr>), so I'm not sure if you are referring to the actual Discovery maps, or representations of them on websites. The actual maps have a scale at the bottom of the sheet, so that shouldn't be a problem. Maps on the web can be any scale, of course. The best guide with the Discovery map images is to use the pale blue grid lines as a guide. They are spaced 2 cm. apart on the actual map, and represent a distance of 1 km. on the ground. A mile is very-roughly 1.6 kms., so one square and 6/10 of the next one will be one mile. That should help. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts
I used "contact us" for the same reason. I happened to be on late enough last night to get in but again got stumped by the paid subsciption. I was hopeful of hearing this morning (EDT) but no word yet. Will let the list know Dave Spang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th I am having a similar difficulty. I successfully completed the required sign-up but cannot progress beyond the registration details screen without going to a screen which requires selecting a paid subscription. Per the terms of service, once I have selected such a plan, I am legally bound to pay for it. There is no way to reference the free-access offer while doing the subscription process. I have emailed the "contact us" address with a query as to whether a code number is necessary in order to access the datasets through a gift subscription or something similar. Either I am being dense or there is a step missing in order to gain actual access today during the free offer. My only interest is in the Irish Origins dataset labelled a Wills Index. I understand that, if I find a name and document reference in the Wills Index during this free access day, there is still a charge for ordering a copy of the document. I have to wonder how great a loss it is if this offer turns out to be defective in some way. From the description of the Wills Index, it is a convenient and comprehensive collection of known and generally available indexes, such as Thrift's. Oh well, I gave it a try. Sharon Carberry Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: <wm.karr@insightbb.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th This would be great, if I could get past the login. However, I cannot. Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Thompson-Kelley <jantkelley@mac.com> Date: Friday, September 1, 2006 12:49 Subject: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Hi, > I seldom have a chance to contribute and thought this might be > of > interest. > Regards, > Jan > > FREE ACCESS FOR TO THE ORIGINS NETWORK FOR 24 HOURS ON THE > 4th > SEPTEMBER- > LABOR DAY OFFER! > > The Origins Network (www.originsnetwork.com) is offering free > access to > both British and Irish Origins on the 4th September to celebrate > US > Labor > Day. Free access will begin at: > GMT - 00.00 GMT and will run until 08.00 GMT on 5 September 2006 > (EST - > 7pm EST until 3am EST on 5 September 2006). > > To access, simply go to www.originsnetwork.com and click on the > link to > sign up or login. > > The Origins Network services include subscription access > to exclusive > genealogy related collections on British Origins and Irish > Origins, plus > expert Scottish Old Parish records research on Scots Origins. > > Partnerships with leading archives and genealogical societies in > the UK > and Ireland, including the Society of Genealogists, the National > Libraryof Ireland, Eneclann, Burke's Peerage and Gentry and the > BorthwickInstitute of Historical Research, allow exclusive > online access to > important primary sources, abstracts and index databases, including > definitive versions of key Irish material (Griffith’s Valuation). > > A wide variety of datasets are available on both British and > Irish > Origins > dating as far back as 1267 up to 1948. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am having a similar difficulty. I successfully completed the required sign-up but cannot progress beyond the registration details screen without going to a screen which requires selecting a paid subscription. Per the terms of service, once I have selected such a plan, I am legally bound to pay for it. There is no way to reference the free-access offer while doing the subscription process. I have emailed the "contact us" address with a query as to whether a code number is necessary in order to access the datasets through a gift subscription or something similar. Either I am being dense or there is a step missing in order to gain actual access today during the free offer. My only interest is in the Irish Origins dataset labelled a Wills Index. I understand that, if I find a name and document reference in the Wills Index during this free access day, there is still a charge for ordering a copy of the document. I have to wonder how great a loss it is if this offer turns out to be defective in some way. From the description of the Wills Index, it is a convenient and comprehensive collection of known and generally available indexes, such as Thrift's. Oh well, I gave it a try. Sharon Carberry Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: <wm.karr@insightbb.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th This would be great, if I could get past the login. However, I cannot. Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Thompson-Kelley <jantkelley@mac.com> Date: Friday, September 1, 2006 12:49 Subject: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Hi, > I seldom have a chance to contribute and thought this might be > of > interest. > Regards, > Jan > > FREE ACCESS FOR TO THE ORIGINS NETWORK FOR 24 HOURS ON THE > 4th > SEPTEMBER- > LABOR DAY OFFER! > > The Origins Network (www.originsnetwork.com) is offering free > access to > both British and Irish Origins on the 4th September to celebrate > US > Labor > Day. Free access will begin at: > GMT - 00.00 GMT and will run until 08.00 GMT on 5 September 2006 > (EST - > 7pm EST until 3am EST on 5 September 2006). > > To access, simply go to www.originsnetwork.com and click on the > link to > sign up or login. > > The Origins Network services include subscription access > to exclusive > genealogy related collections on British Origins and Irish > Origins, plus > expert Scottish Old Parish records research on Scots Origins. > > Partnerships with leading archives and genealogical societies in > the UK > and Ireland, including the Society of Genealogists, the National > Libraryof Ireland, Eneclann, Burke's Peerage and Gentry and the > BorthwickInstitute of Historical Research, allow exclusive > online access to > important primary sources, abstracts and index databases, including > definitive versions of key Irish material (Griffith’s Valuation). > > A wide variety of datasets are available on both British and > Irish > Origins > dating as far back as 1267 up to 1948. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
This would be great, if I could get past the login. However, I cannot. Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Thompson-Kelley <jantkelley@mac.com> Date: Friday, September 1, 2006 12:49 Subject: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Hi, > I seldom have a chance to contribute and thought this might be > of > interest. > Regards, > Jan > > FREE ACCESS FOR TO THE ORIGINS NETWORK FOR 24 HOURS ON THE > 4th > SEPTEMBER- > LABOR DAY OFFER! > > The Origins Network (www.originsnetwork.com) is offering free > access to > both British and Irish Origins on the 4th September to celebrate > US > Labor > Day. Free access will begin at: > GMT - 00.00 GMT and will run until 08.00 GMT on 5 September 2006 > (EST - > 7pm EST until 3am EST on 5 September 2006). > > To access, simply go to www.originsnetwork.com and click on the > link to > sign up or login. > > The Origins Network services include subscription access > to exclusive > genealogy related collections on British Origins and Irish > Origins, plus > expert Scottish Old Parish records research on Scots Origins. > > Partnerships with leading archives and genealogical societies in > the UK > and Ireland, including the Society of Genealogists, the National > Libraryof Ireland, Eneclann, Burke's Peerage and Gentry and the > BorthwickInstitute of Historical Research, allow exclusive > online access to > important primary sources, abstracts and index databases, including > definitive versions of key Irish material (Griffith’s Valuation). > > A wide variety of datasets are available on both British and > Irish > Origins > dating as far back as 1267 up to 1948. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
From: "Mike O'Brien" < DisplayMail('obrienclan.com','mike'); mike@obrienclan.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:25:47 -0700 References: <2D48828E-4AC4-4838-BF8D-02B47B4CB715@mac.com> Clarification please. >If the Origins Network is offering free access to both >British and Irish Origins on the 4th of September and free > >access will begin at GMT 00:00 that >means the time would start at 20:00 (or 8:00 pm) on 3 >September EST. If it >runs until 08:00 GMT that would mean 0400 (or 4:00 am) on 4 >September EST. Where does the 24 hours on the 4th come in and do we have the correct GMT times? Since Origins Network is a UK operation, to run a 24 hour free access for the US would mean starting the free access in the UK at 0400 (4:00 am) on 4 September in UK (midnight on the 3rd EST in US) until 0400 (4:00 am) on 5 September in UK (midnight on the 4th EST in US). Mike Hi Mike and other Listers, This so-called 'FREE ACCESS' is 'one short stick with a large carrot at the end of it' The timing is really academic, the point to be aware of is if one doesn't check off the box that says to subscribe with unspecified monthly fees, then even though, as I did, one logs in but doesn't check off the subscription box, when you enter the site you do not get free information, as your registration it will show you as "unsubscribed" . So buyers beware!! Don't buy a 'pig in a poke' ! I am not saying that it is not worthwhile, just read everything very carefully as you register. Padraig Mor An Sean Gabhar
I tried it about 4 hours ago and could not get it to work. Joseph Patrick Galligan <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> wrote: From: "Mike O'Brien" < DisplayMail('obrienclan.com','mike'); mike@obrienclan.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:25:47 -0700 References: <2D48828E-4AC4-4838-BF8D-02B47B4CB715@mac.com> Clarification please. >If the Origins Network is offering free access to both >British and Irish Origins on the 4th of September and free > >access will begin at GMT 00:00 that >means the time would start at 20:00 (or 8:00 pm) on 3 >September EST. If it >runs until 08:00 GMT that would mean 0400 (or 4:00 am) on 4 >September EST. Where does the 24 hours on the 4th come in and do we have the correct GMT times? Since Origins Network is a UK operation, to run a 24 hour free access for the US would mean starting the free access in the UK at 0400 (4:00 am) on 4 September in UK (midnight on the 3rd EST in US) until 0400 (4:00 am) on 5 September in UK (midnight on the 4th EST in US). Mike Hi Mike and other Listers, This so-called 'FREE ACCESS' is 'one short stick with a large carrot at the end of it' The timing is really academic, the point to be aware of is if one doesn't check off the box that says to subscribe with unspecified monthly fees, then even though, as I did, one logs in but doesn't check off the subscription box, when you enter the site you do not get free information, as your registration it will show you as "unsubscribed" . So buyers beware!! Don't buy a 'pig in a poke' ! I am not saying that it is not worthwhile, just read everything very carefully as you register. Padraig Mor An Sean Gabhar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Clarification please. If the Origins Network is offering free access to both British and Irish Origins on the 4th of September and free access will begin at GMT 00:00 that means the time would start at 20:00 (or 8:00 pm) on 3 September EST. If it runs until 08:00 GMT that would mean 0400 (or 4:00 am) on 4 September EST. Where does the 24 hours on the 4th come in and do we have the correct GMT times? Since Origins Network is a UK operation, to run a 24 hour free access for the US would mean starting the free access in the UK at 0400 (4:00 am) on 4 September in UK (midnight on the 3rd EST in US) until 0400 (4:00 am) on 5 September in UK (midnight on the 4th EST in US). Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Thompson-Kelley" <jantkelley@mac.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th > Hi, > I seldom have a chance to contribute and thought this might be of > interest. > Regards, > Jan > > FREE ACCESS FOR TO THE ORIGINS NETWORK FOR 24 HOURS ON THE 4th > SEPTEMBER- > LABOR DAY OFFER! > > The Origins Network (www.originsnetwork.com) is offering free access to > both British and Irish Origins on the 4th September to celebrate US > Labor > Day. Free access will begin at: > GMT - 00.00 GMT and will run until 08.00 GMT on 5 September 2006 (EST - > 7pm EST until 3am EST on 5 September 2006). > > To access, simply go to www.originsnetwork.com and click on the link to > sign up or login. > > The Origins Network services include subscription access to exclusive > genealogy related collections on British Origins and Irish Origins, plus > expert Scottish Old Parish records research on Scots Origins. > > Partnerships with leading archives and genealogical societies in the UK > and Ireland, including the Society of Genealogists, the National Library > of Ireland, Eneclann, Burke's Peerage and Gentry and the Borthwick > Institute of Historical Research, allow exclusive online access to > important primary sources, abstracts and index databases, including > definitive versions of key Irish material (Griffith’s Valuation). > > A wide variety of datasets are available on both British and Irish > Origins > dating as far back as 1267 up to 1948. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
I 2nd that! The Clare Library has been exceedingly helpful and generous to me as well. I, too, tried to offer a donation that was declined, so I try to support them online by recommending their site to anyone interested in Irish history/genealogy. I have offered to help if they have a need for transcription on a project in the future. We are so blessed to have such a great source of information so readily availible online. Their service is above and beyond the call of duty. If a staff member should see this, I thank you a millions times over! Catherine On 9/2/06, jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net <jpmcnamara@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > I have not kept track of who asked how to get the full article, but will > relate my experience. First of all, everytime I have had a question about > anything I have found on Clare Co Library site, I have emailed it to the > contact us email address. I have never failed to receive a reply. In > every > case my email was forwarded to the proper person and I have received a > reply. I once asked how I could get the obits I found there, and was > asked > for my snail mail address. The articles of interest were mailed to me and > even though I tried, no payment was requested nor was I able to figure out > how to make a donation. I have yet to find any other library in the world > with such a fine website. I don't know what the fine Clare Co Library > folk > will be up to next, but they never seem to rest, and always produce great > new resources to post for us lucky people. > > My hat's off to Co Clare Library, many thanks to them for all they do. > > Just ask. > > Best wishes, > > Jim McNamara > BIFHS-USA Newsletter Editor > http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
You didn't mention a URL and I couldn't find brady_map1.gif with Google Images. What is this, exactly, Sharon ? Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry Sent: 02 September 2006 12:12 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Distance scale for Discovery Series maps I've had this on hand since June, so I can't remember anything about the context, only that is on an unofficial website. If anyone else has a better way to determine miles on a Discovery Series Map, kindly post about it. brady_map1.gif Sharon Carberry Georgia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have not kept track of who asked how to get the full article, but will relate my experience. First of all, everytime I have had a question about anything I have found on Clare Co Library site, I have emailed it to the contact us email address. I have never failed to receive a reply. In every case my email was forwarded to the proper person and I have received a reply. I once asked how I could get the obits I found there, and was asked for my snail mail address. The articles of interest were mailed to me and even though I tried, no payment was requested nor was I able to figure out how to make a donation. I have yet to find any other library in the world with such a fine website. I don't know what the fine Clare Co Library folk will be up to next, but they never seem to rest, and always produce great new resources to post for us lucky people. My hat's off to Co Clare Library, many thanks to them for all they do. Just ask. Best wishes, Jim McNamara BIFHS-USA Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa
Thanks for posting these photographs from Daniel, Sharon it is interesting for we will have 12 days in Kilkishen in October. Pam in Sydney., where the weather is beautiful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Kilkishen photos by Patrick McCarty > Most of these great snapshots are by listmember Patrick > McCarty, who has shared them with me but now they also > appear on an online photo site, which everyone can access: > http://community.webshots.com/album/548725829HQfTCo > > My Carberry family has a very old social association with > Patrick's family. The Clare library website indicates that a > Daniel McCarty (if I remember the forename correctly) was > teaching school in Kilkishen just when my gggrandfather > Patrick Carberry would have been learning his A-B-Cs. > Then in the 1860s, Patrick's apparent younger brother Peter > (whom I found earlier this year in Illinois after his emigrating in > 1864) was the schoolteacher about whom Mr. McCarty's > ancestor wrote in his diary. To complete this small circle of > who was who in Kilkishen, Francis Cunneen was the teacher > later in the 1800s, after Margaret Cunneen had married Peter > Carberry and apparently died before the 1864 departure. > > Remarkable, isn't it, the small size of the school building and > even the RIC barracks. > > Enjoy, > Sharon Carberry > Georgia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
This is a long, official document for planning purposes. Since part of the plan is to handle old buildings in an appropriate way, Appendix 1 (which should appear in the content index, in a left-hand frame) identifies the buildings by name, location, and at least approximate year of construction: http://www.clare.ie/planning/Docs/EastClareLAP.pdf Appendix 3 may be of interest as well, since it list archeological-type monuments. Sharon Carberry Georgia
Try this, which came up immediately when I clicked on the short version of the link, the one which I had posted: http://home.rochester.rr.com/cjosephl/images/brady_map1.gif As indicated, it's been a while since I found that so I can't be more expansive off the top of my head. However, once you reach the website, you can likely find more about the context. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Distance scale for Discovery Series maps You didn't mention a URL and I couldn't find brady_map1.gif with Google Images. What is this, exactly, Sharon ? Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry Sent: 02 September 2006 12:12 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Distance scale for Discovery Series maps I've had this on hand since June, so I can't remember anything about the context, only that is on an unofficial website. If anyone else has a better way to determine miles on a Discovery Series Map, kindly post about it. brady_map1.gif Sharon Carberry Georgia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 8/31/2006
For an online view of a "Cancelled Land" book page from the records maintained by the Valuation Office (official site: www.valoff.ie ), see http://www.boydhouse.com/alice/Carey/carey21hickeysofloughgur.htm This portion is part of a website on Lough Gur, Co. Limerick, which includes some history of a Hickey family. Several of the Hickey children went to Chicago, per the descendant who developed these pages. http://www.boydhouse.com/alice/Carey/carey20childrenofthomashickey.htm I need to explain the reference made to a book by Mary Carbery. That Mary was the English-born wife of the Carbery family who were the aristocrats ("Lord Carbery") given confiscated lands in West Cork and whose actual family name was Evans-Freke. Here are some further online references to Mary and her books: The farm by Lough Gur: the story of Mary Fogarty (Sissy O'Brien). Stories told to Mary Carbery by Mary O'Brien Fogarty. First published in 1937. West Cork Journals-- "A great book! A young Englishwoman marries and moves to a castle on a remote headland in west Cork. Her husband soon dies of consumption and the widow stays in her castle, raises her child, interacts with the local population, and keeps a journal. She learns Irish and has many observations about the people and place. The journal is found years later and editted by her grandson." Mary Carbery also wrote "The Farm by Lough Gur" .. www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6108/bkrhis.htm Mary Carbery (1867-1949) described, with photo: http://www.biblioireland.com/3131/mary-carberys-west-cork-journal-1898-1901-or-from-the-back-of-beyond/ posted by Sharon Carberry
With Christmas in sight, you may want to consider the below books, most by Noel Kissane who was (maybe still is) the Keeper of Manuscripts at the National Library of Ireland. Sharon C. Ireland 1860-80 from Stereo Photographs ISBN 0907328016 by Noel Kissane (Alibris online had it for $20.64 used, in mint condition) Treasures from the National Library of Ireland Noel Kissanee (editor) Hardcover / 243 Pages / Syracuse Univ Pr / October 1994 / 0951782355 Irish Face Noel Kissane Paperback / 64 Pages / January 1986 / 0907328121 plus this other one: Light of Other Days: Irish Life at the Turn of the Century in the Photographs of Robert French Robert French, National Library of Ireland, Kieran Hickey (Editor) Book / 172 Pages / January 1973 / 0713906324
I've had this on hand since June, so I can't remember anything about the context, only that is on an unofficial website. If anyone else has a better way to determine miles on a Discovery Series Map, kindly post about it. brady_map1.gif Sharon Carberry Georgia
For County Clare in General why not try: http://www.webshots.com/search?query=County+Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Kilkishen photos by Patrick McCarty > Most of these great snapshots are by listmember Patrick > McCarty, who has shared them with me but now they also > appear on an online photo site, which everyone can access: > http://community.webshots.com/album/548725829HQfTCo > > My Carberry family has a very old social association with > Patrick's family. The Clare library website indicates that a > Daniel McCarty (if I remember the forename correctly) was > teaching school in Kilkishen just when my gggrandfather > Patrick Carberry would have been learning his A-B-Cs. > Then in the 1860s, Patrick's apparent younger brother Peter > (whom I found earlier this year in Illinois after his emigrating in > 1864) was the schoolteacher about whom Mr. McCarty's > ancestor wrote in his diary. To complete this small circle of > who was who in Kilkishen, Francis Cunneen was the teacher > later in the 1800s, after Margaret Cunneen had married Peter > Carberry and apparently died before the 1864 departure. > > Remarkable, isn't it, the small size of the school building and > even the RIC barracks. > > Enjoy, > Sharon Carberry > Georgia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I am sending this offline . . . . The last time I mentioned slaves - it got a few people upset. Just to clarify with you. Not all indentured servants were slaves. My understandin is that there were 3 clasifications. (1) Those who volunteered their work for a period of time for their passage, (2) those were forced into it because they were thrown off of their land, etc and (3) those who were kidnapped off the street or stolen literally out of their beds. I would say it would be hard to prove which kind our relatives were. Many of the Northern states have looked down on the Southern states for slavery but apparently the Northern states also used slaves. Their slaves worked in agriculture and provided the food for the slaves in the British West Indes who worked in the sugar cane fields. There is a lot of information coming our now but slowly. It's there if one looks for it. In one of the books I read it said about the Irish that went to Barbados - they couldn't stand the heat and died more rapidly than the blac! ks. There was disease, lack of food and nutrition, cruel beatings, etc They said NO ONE EVER CAME BACK TO TELL WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. How very sad. I guess what I am trying to say - if I had a slave in the family I would gladly claim that person and acknowledge them for sure. My apologies for going on. -----Original Message----- From: cadybeth@gmail.com To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [CLARE] Re: Indentured Servants I do appreicate your imput here. I had never thought my grandma was a slave just to make that clear. I had never heard of "indentured servants" until just recently. I had never heard of there ever being Irish slaves (like in the 1700's). It was a bit shocking to me. On 8/12/06, Dolmenx@aol.com <Dolmenx@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/12/2006 6:00:41 A.M. Eastern Standard > Time, IRL-CLARE- > D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > <have noticed very many the women on the passenger lists I look at seem > to > be listed as going to the US to work as a Servant and men > as Laborers. This > has my curiosity. I know my Grandmother, Catherine Kelly, came to Boston > and worked as a house maid for a family on Martha's Vineyard. It was > something > she wouldn't talk about. > > > These stories irritate me every time I see them. Maybe some immigrants > to > North America in the 17th of 18th C. were indentured (I know some Irish > deported by Cromwell were taken to New Hampshire by ship captains rather > than to > slavery in the Barbadoes). Those very lucky persons were often employed > as > "indentured servants", for a number of years, but stories of Irish > immigrants > as late as the 19th C. being so employed I believe are largely false or > based > on a misunderstanding of circumstances and job descriptions. Of course, > it's possible for individuals to have entered into probably illegal > arrangements, but to suggest that a "domestic servant" was a virtual slave > is way off > the mark. > > In Ireland, a review of many marriage registers will show that a large > percentage of females described themselves as "servants", which meant > simply that > they worked as a domestic for some probably well-off neighbor or perhaps > their landlord. - often a relative, though of different religion! They > were by > no means enslaved or held in servitude or bondage. Many Irish in the USA > seem > so willing to believe the worst, when that was not at all the case. > > A young woman of a non-landed (read Catholic) family in 19th C. Ireland > had > few employment options in rural Ireland. A domestic ("servant") was one > of > the few. If they were unwilling to talk about it, the reason most likely > was > that they would have been looked down upon in the USA as akin to freed > slaves, based on the common perceptions of "servant" at that > time. That's not to > say there weren't some bad employment situations after immigrating here - > but > often avoidable, especially after achieving US citizenship. > > The same applies to males. If one was not of the landed gentry class, > there were few occupations that merited any other designation than > "laborer"?. > Some exceptions I've seen were "carpenter", "farmer", "soldier". There > were > some others, but most were reserved for the ascendancy. Thus a "laborer" > was usually a farm worker, either employed by some other land owner, or > working > his own farm which was leased from someone else. Catholics could only > lease land for periods of 33 years, sometimes renewable especially if > there were > family ties with the lessor, so some families were able to hold onto > property for several generations. If by some chance he were able to > own some land > outright he would be a "farmer" or maybe even "gentleman > farmer" (especially > if he had conformed to the state religion) , but otherwise a "laborer". > > I hope this helps to clarify the matter, > > Len Keane > > > > > > ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== > If you just want to subscribe to this list or unsubscribe from it, send > e-mail to IRL-CLARE-L-request@rootsweb.com > or (for the digest list) IRL-CLARE-D-request@rootsweb.com and put the word > subscribe or unsubscribe in the message body. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Most of these great snapshots are by listmember Patrick McCarty, who has shared them with me but now they also appear on an online photo site, which everyone can access: http://community.webshots.com/album/548725829HQfTCo My Carberry family has a very old social association with Patrick's family. The Clare library website indicates that a Daniel McCarty (if I remember the forename correctly) was teaching school in Kilkishen just when my gggrandfather Patrick Carberry would have been learning his A-B-Cs. Then in the 1860s, Patrick's apparent younger brother Peter (whom I found earlier this year in Illinois after his emigrating in 1864) was the schoolteacher about whom Mr. McCarty's ancestor wrote in his diary. To complete this small circle of who was who in Kilkishen, Francis Cunneen was the teacher later in the 1800s, after Margaret Cunneen had married Peter Carberry and apparently died before the 1864 departure. Remarkable, isn't it, the small size of the school building and even the RIC barracks. Enjoy, Sharon Carberry Georgia
Could I suggest that instead of filling the archives with test messages you simply apply to the Rootsweb help desk and see if you are, still subbed to any of rootsweb lists. It is not necessarily the swapping over of servers that has caused many listers to find themselves unusbbed, but the lack of courtesy where many go on holidays and cause many mails to bounce, and the last person and generally a busy lister like Sharon to find herself unsubbed. I am sorry for the inconvenience to listers, but I cannot keep on asking you to update and unusb when going on holidays. I have arrived in Ireland and many thanks to Don for his help with the list. Good luck with your researching and heres hoping these small problems will eventually be solved. Any replies on this subject please adress them off list Cara List Admin -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .